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5:02 AM
Wow, the second part is little difficult.
Ah, done. Let's go to day 2.
 
no report? :(
 
@misterManSam amipriviledged
 
@misterManSam You need Permission :)
 
@KevinGuan I've used it a lot :-\
until a few weeks ago, so I guess something changed
 
Huh? Try command amipriviledged.
 
5:10 AM
@SmokeDetector amipriviledged
sd amipriviledged
 
No, it's !!/ command :P
 
haha
!!/amiprivileged
 
@misterManSam No, you are not a privileged user.
 
@smoke
why :(
 
Hmm...
 
5:12 AM
huh,I am over on the Tavern
just not on SO
 
Ah, they use different database :P
 
user3956566
@misterManSam are separate privileges needed for each room?
 
@MsYvette Yeah
 
user3956566
@approxiblue done
 
@MsYvette thanks
 
user3956566
5:14 AM
@approxiblue if I have the votes and agree, I'll always help out with post in here.
 
@misterManSam Yeah, you're in the list, but in meta_tavern_room, not socvr_room.
That's the reason :)
 
@misterManSam do you have a few logins? one with userid 244254
cuz right now that ain't your userid
 
@KevinGuan @Drew - Thanks :) I'll just post reports over on the Tavern since they are crossposted anyway
 
@misterManSam Yep :)
@MsYvette Huh? I couldn't find your user id in the list, but Smokey said that you're a privileged user yesterday..‌​.that's so strange....
Try give yourself a cup of coffee and delete that :P
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan I changed my name
 
user3956566
5:19 AM
!!/amipriveleged
 
No, we use user id. So name doesn't matter.
 
user3956566
would help if I learnt to spell
 
user3956566
oh who does it?
 
Hmm...as I said that we have a list.
 
5:20 AM
no one tell her she spelled it wrong
 
user3956566
!!/amiprivileged
 
@MsYvette Yes, you are a privileged user.
 
@Drew It's wrong.
 
user3956566
maybe the list is cached
 
Wait
Ah, my mistake. It's a fork of the original repo!
 
5:25 AM
@Kevin this guy stackoverflow.com/a/34260280 just answered a question. Not sure it is what the Op wanted
 
@MsYvette About you changed your name: github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/pull/116 ;)
@Drew Checking...
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan ta bit busy atm
 
@MsYvette Ik, np :P
More abbreviation.
 
user3956566
@Drew bravo :D
 
Ah, adventofcode.com Really is an interesting game, I can't stop! Now is day 2, part 2.
 
Now I just need 97 more spam posts to flag.
 
@MsYvette Have you tried it? :)
@AlexanderO'Mara Marshal? I only need 2.
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan working Kev, later ;)
 
Okay ;)
 
user3956566
5:48 AM
I keep this tab open for company :)
 
@KevinGuan Marshal, and the gold badge hat.
 
@AlexanderO'Mara Oh yeah, I could get that hat if I get Marshal, /me go to flag.
 
The gold badge hat gets harder once you get the easy gold badges.
Net year I'll have to prepare for it.
BTW, any idea what on earth this means:
> own any hat while the entire site collectively has at least 20 distinct hats
 
Ah, fine. Now I just want to know about adventofcode.com/day/2 part two, why isn't 3753470 the right answer?
 
user4639281
@AlexanderO'Mara I suppose that means that if you have any hat, while there are 20 unique hats owned on the site, you get that hat.
 
user4639281
6:00 AM
@KevinGuan you posted a duplicate there.
 
@TinyGiant NetWorkError
 
user4639281
:)
 
@TinyGiant That was my thought, but it says "at least".
Unless the entire Stack Overflow does not have 20 hats yet.
 
user4639281
Well, 20 unique hats.
 
user4639281
6:15 AM
Many people have many hats, but not 20 unique ones.
 
@Rob and it has got an answer
 
Rob
Doesn't mean it's not a bad question.. :)
 
makes the question even more bad
 
Rob
Plus the answer doesn't really answer the question
 
user4639281
Any gold badger's in the house?
 
user3956566
6:24 AM
@TinyGiant all for a hat ;) we need @Tunaki or @cimmanon
 
user4639281
Yeah.
 
user3956566
neither of us have a head
 
user4639281
@MsYvette What you talkin' bout willis? My head is a sugar cookie!
 
@alirezasafian That's not a typo, that's misunderstanding of the methods
 
@Tushar True
 
user4842163
6:33 AM
I think it'd be easier if "typo" was omitted from the close reason and just became "cannot reproduce".
 
user4639281
@Tushar I would go the part that says "resolved in a manner unlikely to help future readers"
 
user4842163
Since "typo" often requires a bit of psychic powers to know whether the op mistyped or misunderstood something.
 
user4842163
"Typo" might be less ambiguous as "trivial" -- "this author made a very trivial mistake" -- this way we don't have to make assumptions about what his fingers were doing on the keyboard.
 
user4639281
That get's into dangerous territory. Something huge to you maybe be trivial to Mysticial.
 
user4842163
Yeah -- the main thing is that "typo" is already kind of dangerous to me.
 
user4842163
6:40 AM
Like op confuses operator= and operator== in three separate lines of code... gets closed as typo.... did his fingers make that mistake three times in a row or is there a misunderstanding here?
 
attracting
 
user4842163
But I can see how "trivial" could be wildly abused... at least without a very unambiguous description to accompany it. Mostly "typo" seems awkward from the standpoint of the OP asking the Q.. "Typo -- what? Where?" -- when there could be a deeper misunderstanding and not just a finger slip.
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant sad what happened to that actor :(
 
user4639281
@MsYvette Yeah...
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant he was funny
 
user4639281
6:46 AM
That he was
 
user4842163
"Syntax error" maybe? It just seems like "typo" is wayyy too ambiguous.. we're either presuming a great deal on the part of the person or completely mistook a misunderstanding for a typo... it is only in the most blatant of "circmstances" that we can confidently assume a typo.
 
user4639281
@Ike Yeah... I try to look at it from a usefulness standpoint. Do we really need that content on the site? Do we really need 15 FGITW answers pointing out a minuscule error?
 
user4639281
The more content we have like that, the harder it is to find relevant results through google and the internal search.
 
we recently celebrated 10M questions. In my head we celebrated 2M
 
user4842163
@TinyGiant Same -- but I'm Japanese... we have a lot of trouble applying procedures if the rules seem fuzzy to the situation. :-D Maybe it's just me -- Japanese culture is asinine about rules and regulations. I feel the need to be 100% certain that something is a typo to close it as a typo.
 
user4639281
6:52 AM
@Ike Don't get me wrong, I am pretty by the book on the rules for the most part, but when it comes to content that is never going to help anyone ever again, and is going to actually make it harder to find good content, I'd take that latter part of the reason: "resolved in a manner unlikely to help future readers".
 
user3956566
@Ike I'm not Japanese, but I am the same, very literal and procedural.
 
user4842163
I see -- that makes sense... when I look at what the close vote is intended to do more than over-analyzing the precise wording, things start to make a lot more sense.
 
if a FGITW plows into an answer without collecting any info, they are probably starting down 1 if I am around and they clearly don't caveat anything in their answer
2/3 of the time I get the point back
 
user4842163
Down-voting FGITWs? I typically don't do that since I have this perception like.. "Well, the question was asked, and that speedy person got the answer right." I make an exception sometimes if a Q is like -8 and dropping fast and then someone provides a lazy answer.
 
if the Question is Unclear, Too Broad, etc
if it is close-able as a non-dupe
 
user4842163
6:59 AM
In I am noticing a lot of speed shooters that are actually like 60k+ rep users -- but it's hard to blame them for it since so many questions are dipping into the negatives. They have little else to answer.
 
if it is a Gold and it is a dupe, I DV
I have only ever known 1 gold that does FGITW on dupes.
 
user4639281
@Ike I downvote bad answers, FGITW or otherwise.
 
user4639281
If you answer:

try this:
code
 
user4842163
@TinyGiant For me "bad answer" is tricky since I see it heavily in the context of the question. Some questions warrant only a terse answer -- it's not lazy in those cases, just direct.
 
user4639281
I'm going to downvote your answer.
 
user4842163
7:02 AM
Oh yeah -- those are definitely bad!
 
user4639281
Answers without explanation are IMO less than useful.
 
answers that come later, are correct one could say, but regurgitate prior answers months early, DV
 
user4842163
I get sad bad Qs like this: stackoverflow.com/questions/34256492/…
 
it's your choice. You earned the right to do whatever the heck you want and tell no one
 
user4842163
because the answer is not bad -- and it's coming from someone who provides great answers... provided he's given a reasonable question
 
user4639281
7:04 AM
I used to play the FGITW game, and if you play it right, there is nothing wrong with it; but if you don't, you may end up downvoted.
 
user4842163
@TinyGiant I don't think I ever did the FTIGW thing... since I'm so verbose. If I try to answer a basic Q, I'll end up writing a 3 page answer anyway, with only a few exceptions. :-D
 
user4639281
You have to understand what I mean by the FGITW game.
 
I've used up my votes for the day hunting for hats, duplicate linked in comments.
 
user4639281
That is you post an answer with a working example and a short explanation, then you continually edit it better and better quickly.
 
and every comment causes a new rev !
 
user4842163
7:07 AM
@TinyGiant I see -- I do opposite... I write a really long explanation, and then I edit it down as quickly as I can. :-D
 
Then 10 minutes later you post it as Answer #4 !
 
user4639281
Well, the biggest part of the FGITW game is having the first answer.
 
user4842163
@TinyGiant Typically after I hit post.. I'm like.. "Hmm, this is a bit too long -- maybe I need bullet points.."
 
user3956566
@Ike I'm really verbose also! I wish I could get to a point succinctly and so do my children!!!!
 
user4842163
Yeah -- I can rarely ever be the first.
 
user4639281
7:09 AM
People upvote just because they see your answer evolving rapidly.
 
user3956566
@Ike same I'm slow and I've been abused as stealing someone elses answer! lol
 
user4639281
I used to be pretty good at it too, now I just end up voting to close all the questions I look at.
 
user3956566
if I at least have answered over 100 questions in a tag, you would think I don't need to to steal other people's answers
 
user3956566
anyway I'm diverging from the main topic
 
Ms Yvette, you point me to any post of yours on meta, I can reduce the word count by 80%
 
user4842163
7:12 AM
I think it takes a great deal of confidence to summarize and reduce -- especially when trying to communicate a complex subject where you're kind of obsessing over subtle details.
 
user3956566
@Drew challenge accepted youtube.com/watch?v=Nepysk5rOf4
 
I said text, not video
 
user3956566
@Drew go and watch the video it's 2 seconds!!!
 
k
 
user4842163
7:13 AM
I started putting footnotes lately into my posts, and that cut them down by about 20% in size if you exclude the footnotes. :-D ThougH I think including the footnotes, they got a tad longer, since now I'm like, "I'm using footnotes. It's okay to write a lot in this section!"
 
user4639281
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant what my words?!? (oh my ears, my eyes!)
 
user4639281
evil snicker
 
user3956566
 
user4639281
@MsYvette No, this
 
user3956566
7:19 AM
@alirezasafian I said too broad
 
user4639281
For both of those: Too Broad.
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant onto more deep and meaningful, this is the music I am listening to as we speak youtube.com/watch?v=KWZGAExj-es this video clip is her inner psyche having a battle. There are three videos starring the same child dance, it's amazing, please trash this after
 
@MsYvette I am out of flag, I can only send request.
 
user3956566
@alirezasafian that's ok :D
 
user4639281
@alirezasafian We're just letting you know that the close reason for both of those would be "Too Broad".
 
user3956566
7:22 AM
@Tushar left comment
 
@MsYvette Me 2
 
user3956566
@Tushar ok I'll delete mine
 
@TinyGiant I'm always confused when I want to chose reason but I always try to select a correct one.
 
just do your best. Often there are a few good choices.
 
user4639281
@alirezasafian That's fine, but the main purpose of the reason box is to help us all discuss about the proper close reasons for a post so that we can all learn to make the best review decisions possible.
 
user3956566
7:25 AM
abusive flow of comments please help stackoverflow.com/questions/34261580/…
 
user4639281
@MsYvette Mitch's have been deleted, now yours can be removed.
 
Thank you all for your help
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant done
 
user3956566
and what an embarrassment, another Aussie..
 
Yes! Just finished adventofcode.com/day/5. Also asked a question on SO about an issue, and got 3 upvotes. Oh, BTW, thanks @Tushar :D
 
user3956566
7:27 AM
Can high rep users like that get short term bans
 
user4639281
@MsYvette Anyone can get a ban of any length.
 
user3956566
yeh and now I have two immediate downvotes on my posts... I wonder who that was
 
user4639281
However, it is best for you to not appear inflammatory while the other user is having a tantrum.
 
@MsYvette The post?
 
user3956566
I'm not doing anything, I never retaliate with downvotes
 
user3956566
7:30 AM
 
user4639281
You could have gotten away without saying anything and just flagging the comments, then you wouldn't have had any retaliatory downvotes.
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant I had one guy serially downvote me, so I went and upvoted his question and left a comment, so he went and serially upvoted me (out of guilt) and it was all reversed anyway
 
@MsYvette So you think someone retaliated you with downvotes? What happened?
 
user3956566
@Drew yeh I tried a hover and it didn't show, so I didn't worry
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan doesn't matter Kevin, because I pulled him up in the comments
 
user3956566
7:32 AM
yep
 
user3956566
I gotta get back to it
 
user3956566
Also for the record, it doesn't bother me, I just shake my head at the immaturity.
 
user3956566
@Drew did you edit my meta Q?
 
user4842163
I had that happen one rare time -- someone contested my answer, I gave a detailed response, he disagreed with my rationale -- went back and forth.... I tried to be polite but somehow he felt insulted by my explanations
 
user4842163
then I noticed suddenly that I was getting like 15 down-votes all over my questions which were well-received
 
7:34 AM
honestly I got sidetracked, you have me watching Barney Stinson videos now. Never saw the guy before. I don't watch TV
 
user4842163
can't say 100% for sure it was him, it just seemed like an odd coincidence
 
user3956566
@Drew how I met your mother unreal!
 
@MsYvette Well, if a user retaliates another user with downvotes, he should be banned. For me, I think these users should be kicked away from SO.
 
user3956566
@Ike I know! the thing that I shake my head, being a parent, toddler behave like this.. when they don't get their own way or a frustrated they are destructive and lash out.
 
Because we're a Community.
 
user3956566
7:35 AM
@KevinGuan I understand, but don't fret, the bulk of the community is strong and good :D
 
user4639281
@KevinGuan That's a rather draconian response. Usually a user is suspended if their behavior is particularly egregious, but the downvotes get reversed usually anyway, so it isn't a big thing unless you make it one.
 
I thought the guys comment was pretty funny, comment 1 that was left but deleted. It had no reason to escalate
It was just dry sense of humor
 
user3956566
^^ it was the second comment
 
18 hours ago, by Sam
And so begins the age old argument...
 
user3956566
@Drew the OPs comment, which is still there
 
user3956566
7:38 AM
that was to my comment
 
user3956566
doesn't matter, I gotta get back to work!!! :D
 
@MsYvette Later :)
 
user3956566
I'm around, will come back to chat on a break
 
user4639281
I would say that any response to the comments was unnecessary and inflammatory, personally I don't feel sorry for you because you told him that you flagged his comments. Flags are hidden for a reason, if we advertised that we were out flagging things, you would expect retaliatory downvotes.
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant yep, will take that advice on board.
 
user3956566
7:39 AM
but I gotta go, bbl!!
 
user4639281
Cya :)
 
user4842163
I find those retaliatory down-votes are often misdirected in the rare case that they happen. It's the one case where I'm often tempted to comment about voting -- "I'm not the one that down-voted you! I'm trying to help you fix the answer."
 
@TinyGiant What I thought is, just some downvotes can not make a serious accident. But that means the author of the downvotes is a bad guy. Who shouldn't stay on SO, because SO doesn't suit for them. As I said we're a Community, everyone here should be very nice. If you can't, then go away.
Wow, my hat let me looks very stupid. :P
 
user4639281
9 messages moved to Trash can
 
user4639281
@KevinGuan Everyone makes mistakes in the heat of the moment. I've been pretty ticked off before, I can understand the reasoning behind what someone in that frame of mind does. I do not think it is a reason to ban someone. If it is particularly egregious, it may be a reason for a short cool-down period, but not a reason to ban someone.
 
user4639281
7:46 AM
We're all human.
 
If we can't accept being the target of serial DV, me might want to consider not doing what we do
 
@TinyGiant Well, still think that use downvotes to retaliate someone is very offensive.
19 hours ago, by Sam
@KevinGuan High standards vs. low standards.
 
user4639281
@KevinGuan It is offensive, but so are a lot of other things that people do which do not end up in a ban.
 
Ah, however, let's . I'm still playing Advent of Code, a lot of there.
@Tiny this looks is javascript, or Java? stackoverflow.com/questions/34261346/…
CopyPasteError
 
user4639281
@KevinGuan Java. There's no foreach in JavaScript.
 
7:52 AM
What do you think about that answer? I think the text part should be a comment, and the code isn't Python code...
 
user4639281
No, it's not java either.
 
user4639281
I don't know what that is.
 
Me too, so it's pseudo-code.
It's hard for me to understand that.
 
user4639281
Ohhh, I missed the pseudo-code part.
 
So, what do you think about that answer?
 
7:56 AM
It looks like a mix of javascript and Python :p
 
user4639281
I don't upvote pseudo-code answers, sometimes I downvote them.
 
Hmm...actually I re-read it again, here's what I want to say: WHERE'S THE ANSWER? DO YOU CALL THAT PSEUDO-CODE AN ANSWER?
@Thaillie Well, there's also no foreach in Python.
 
@KevinGuan Then it's a mix of javascript/Python/PHP :p
 
@Thaillie Why do you think there's Python code in his code? :P
 
"letter in inputString" I know nothing about Python :p, but this looked like it could exist in python.
They broke the css again :p i.stack.imgur.com/hjwIn.png
 
8:06 AM
@Thaillie Actually for i in l also exist in JavaScript :P
@Thaillie Do you mean that x?
 
user4639281
Alright I'm off to bed, everyone be nice and have a good time.
 
@KevinGuan Yea
 
@TinyGiant Night :)
 
Plop!
BTW, check my hat :D
 
8:12 AM
Please, no plops allowed before noon
 
Hello Tim o/
 
@Thaillie :P maybe that's
@TimCastelijns I don't know that :(
 
New rule, I just made it
 
Oh, but you're not RO, I think you can't make a new rule.
 
Plop!
 
8:21 AM
Plop Kyll o/
 
cc @Tim
 
10 mins ago, by Tim Castelijns
Please, no plops allowed before noon
 
@KevinGuan Yes, I read before posting.
 
user3956566
before noon in who's time?
 
@MsYvette ok I have your re-write
 
8:24 AM
@Kyll Oh yeah, here's 16:21 :P
So Plop!
 
user3956566
@Drew where?
 
@MsYvette Maybe Tim's.
 
@TimCastelijns True. You didn't say on what timezone. Timezones win again.
 
user3956566
plop back
 
8:25 AM
Plop everyone!
Okay, do you know that we have some stupid hats? :P
 
I know some stuff about hats yes
 
@Tim?
 
@KevinGuan Welcome
 
@Kyll too bad man, we share the same timezone
 
@Tushar toooooo late :P
 
8:34 AM
@KevinGuan Lunch time :)
 
@TimCastelijns Do you mean about UTC?
 
Hmm...
> Mon Dec 14 08:32:01 UTC 2015
@TimCastelijns Then yours?
 
Yeah! got 10 rep :P
 
8:35 AM
@TimCastelijns Oh, where are you?
 
About 500-2500km north of you, depends on your location :P
 
@TimCastelijns So maybe I'm 5000000-25000000km east of you :P
If you think this number is too big, you could run/fly/swim around earth.
 
I am positive that number is way too big
 
So as I said you could run/fly/swim around earth, maybe 10000 times is enough :D
 
Hey!
 
8:42 AM
Hello Tunaki o/
 
Hey!
 
Joined the private leaderboard of Advent of Code :)
@TimCastelijns You got work to do! ;)
 
I am so far behind
Dec 9 at 9:26, by Tim Castelijns
I'm now in the final phase of my graduation internship, so I cannot really get away with being on SO and doing puzzles half the day anymore
 
@Tunaki Is there a private leaderboard for SOCVR?
 
See pinned message
 
8:47 AM
Yay, now my 1 star doesn't have to be lonely anymore :D
 
@Tunaki Oh, now I'm also playing that, got 6 stars now.
 
Morning
 
Morning
 
Hey
 
@alirezasafian voted, but didn't see your vote
 
8:55 AM
@Tushar As I said I am out of vote flag :'(
 
Ok
 
@Tushar I can only give downvote. ha ha ha.
 
No problem, we can share votes, you give the link and reason, we all will close-vote
 
correction: we will all consider the option of close-voting :)
 
^^^
 

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