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9:07 AM
hi
 
Hey
 
I have a question on Suggested Edits: Is it ok, if a user mass edits out of questions without fixing anything else? Example: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/10542027
 
I know TinyGiant had a nice post on meta a few hours ago about it. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/303373
 
user4842163
@honk Seems like a great edit to me. Just checked and his actions correspond to enforcing the tag description.
 
user4842163
Removing tags that clearly don't fit, even en masse, isn't a trivial edit IMO -- it's organizational. So I think the user here is actually doing a good thing, even if he's just trying to get a badge or something.
 
9:12 AM
@honk You win.
I saw his edits. Just created a room with him and talking about that.
 
user4842163
Am I being nosy joining? I just wanted to see what you guys talk about. :-D
 
@Ike Just thought the same ;)
 
I don't think you guys need to ask.
 
@Drew Why?
 
because you posted the link
I don't bark when people join my room, are you barking :P
 
9:18 AM
:P
@Ike If you're using Firefox then there's a private mode, And Chrome has incognito mode :P
 
user4842163
ah
 
incognito mode hides your identity, or just doesn't doesn't save your browser history?
why would you join a room as an unknown user anyway?
 
@Drew Actually that also hidden all of the cookies, so when you joined a room, you'll be a unknown user.
@Drew MAYBE FOR FUN :P
 
user4842163
I wish there was a way to find out what the score of a question was when someone answered it.
 
user4842163
Came across like a -10 question with an answer to it -- just curious how far into the negatives the question was going when the answer was provided.
 
9:28 AM
@KevinGuan I see, as often, this is a case-by-case thing. Thank you for discussing that in chat!
 
user4842163
@honk I think in general though, provided people are doing it correctly.. tag changes aren't trivial since they completely reogranize the site... they're not like removing a "Hi" or something.
 
@honk No problem :P
 
@Ike This is why I came asking here. My aspect was the mass editing: I was not sure whether the user was paying sufficient attention to all their edits...
 
Actually this is the first time that I tell a person: You should do xxx on SO because xxx. I always just a student, but this time, I'm a teacher. :P
 
grmblr Plop everyone!
 
9:34 AM
@Ike However, I'll approve an edit, whatever it's just added a full stop, IMO.
@Kyll Plop!
 
@Kyll Plop :)
 
Plop is another way to say good bye.
 
@KevinGuan Plop is whatever I say it to be. Spearrels in power!
 
@Kyll In other words: Plop is .
 
@KevinGuan And I just plopped in to seeeee what condition my condition was in ;)
 
9:35 AM
@honk :P
afk, brb.
 
I cleaned the magic tag. It is down to 1
 
@Drew is officially an enemy of magic!
@Ike Meh. Suggested edits should always try to fix as much as possible. In that example one could have formatted a bit the post and removed noise at the end, and maybe also add a better title
 
also of the other tag thingie of yours Kyll I forget
meteor.js
 
Yeah, thanks for that
 
@Kyll I see it the same way. But this has been discussed on Meta to death. Alas, the meaning of "substantial" is too ambiguous...
 
user4842163
9:41 AM
@Kyll I think it's tough though -- for example someone who might not be so good at English might recognize enough to see that a question is improperly tagged but may not know how to correct the grammar. I think it's okay to apply an iterative mindset to edits, and possibly require multiple people/iterations to make them really nice.
 
@honk Yeah, that's why I didn't say the S word. Instead, fix as many issues as possible in one go
 
user4842163
@Kyll Main thing is that I think removing a tag which doesn't belong is actually a pretty nice edit just on its own.
 
I like removing noise from tags they shouldn't be in and getting betters eyes for missing tags. But remember the popping to top of tag stack issue
got a reason bummi ?
 
rec, something did not work with the tag
 
@bummi [tag:cv-pls] tool rec (question link)
 
9:45 AM
@Kyll thanks
 
Also please edit your [cv-pls] properly for it to be archived, if you still have the time
 
@Ike I can agree to that. But when I then see "Thank you very much for your help!" in the line directly above the tag row, then I have to sigh...
 
@Kyll seems to be to late :(
 
@bummi Aw.
 
user4842163
@honk Could get removed by another mass editor looking for "thanks" in all the Qs. :-D I think mostly it's good though if people wait until they get sufficient rep to do it without a review process.
 
9:53 AM
guy answers 3 questions in 10 minutes. Must be drinking Red Bull stackoverflow.com/users/4730812/piotrek1543?tab=answers
 
user4842163
not exactly exemplary answers
 
user4842163
61 answers with only 9 that have, at most, 2-upvotes
 
user4842163
the guy's going for speed and volume instead of quality
 
I think we can change SOCVR now. We're not just Close Vote Reviewers, we also review other things :P
 
someone with domain knowledge might identify duplicates
 
10:03 AM
Does someone sees in this question(revision 1), that OP doesn't know the key 29 and FErQa: stackoverflow.com/revisions/34247088/1 ? And that he wants to access the file_path element?
 
@Ike Obligatory reminder: Avoid pointing fingers at specific users
 
@KevinGuan You've completed 40 CV review items today, thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 525 minutes, averaging to a review every 807.7 seconds.
 
faster than yesterday
Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 13 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@KevinGuan Your last uncompleted review session was 8 hours, 48 minutes and 18 seconds ago. Because it has exceeded my threshold (5 hours), I can't mark that session with this information. Use the command 'end session' to forcefully end that session.
 
@Sam I'm sure that I completed that.
 
10:06 AM
@Ike you can do a running sum of votes in sede for a post if the votes are not within in the same day or look at the timeline
 
@Closey end session
 
@KevinGuan I have forcefully ended your last session. To see more details use the command last session stats. In addition, the number of review items is most likely not set, use the command last session edit count <new count> to fix that.
 
@Closey last session edit count 40
 
Review item count has been changed:
User: Kevin Guan (5299236)
Start Time: 2015-12-13 01:17:23 UTC
End Time: 2015-12-13 10:06:09 UTC
Items Reviewed: [Not Set] -> 40
Use the command 'last session stats' to see more details.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
10:06 AM
@KevinGuan Your last completed review session ended 12 seconds ago and lasted 8 hours, 48 minutes and 46 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 13 minutes and 13 seconds.
 
@Closey current session
 
@KevinGuan You don't have an ongoing review session on record.
 
That's fine.
 
Hey :)
 
10:18 AM
Ok, I'm out for now. Thanks and cya!
 
Ciao @honk
 
Later
 
user4842163
I wish there was a close reason like, "Too vague"
 
Unclear :D
 
user4842163
Like, "It's perfectly clear what you're asking. It's also too vague."
 
user4842163
10:24 AM
yeah -- I closed as unclear -- but what the op was asking was clear
 
Overlap between tb and unclear.
 
user4842163
something like that... or "ambiguous"
 
user4842163
0
Q: Inheritance or Polymorphism?

gmmoI did a programmer's test few weeks ago and did not pass. The test was those full of "gotch you!" c++ questions, that had nothing to do with what we face on a day to day coding. I wish I had printed out all of them and posted online, but too late. One I remember and I wonder if someone can clarif...

 
I went with POB. It asks for comments.
 
user4842163
ah, maybe that is best
 
10:26 AM
@Ike No one-box :P
 
@Ike We don't want the transcript to be full of one-boxed questions. So please keep those to a minimum.
Kevin beat me to it...
 
Win
 
Accepts defeat
 
user4842163
@rene @Kevin My bad! Still kind of learning the ropes here.
 
No problem, we will jump on you when something goes wrong ;)
2
 
10:31 AM
Yeah, I was also goes wrong on this point before :P
 
user4842163
10:44 AM
I'm really having a hard time with close vote reasons. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. Like this one: stackoverflow.com/questions/34246146/…
 
user4842163
3 people ahead of me chose "typo", except I don't see any typos.. and the issues the author has are easy to reproduce -- he's just totally misunderstanding how to use the language. I keep wanting a close reason like, "Too basic", "Please read at least one book on this language first." :-D
 
For typo's you normally have to visit the question and read all comments. If there is a replace x with y that normally is enough to trigger that chain of events.
 
user4842163
From that standpoint there's a few small changes he can make to get what he wants, except I don't think they came from a typo in the sense lke tihs
 
@Ike Actually...not your fault.
!!/blame
 
@KevinGuan It's honk's fault.
 
10:51 AM
Okay just kidding. However, some people don't know what does can not reproduce means in this case.
 
user4842163
I've seen some definitely "cannot reproduce" -- answered one once, precise answer.. author said it didn't work.. two others chipped in, same answer, author said those don't work.. downvoted all of us, then answered his own question and said he had a build issue on top of the code (not related to the question)
 
It doesn't mean: Nah, only idiots can having this stupid problem, nobody can having this stupid problem again. But it means: Well, when I run your code I can't get that problem as you said in question. or just a typo.
I have seen lots of stupid questions closed as No reproduce before.
 
user4842163
yes -- the issue in that one is definitely reproducible, every time
 
user4842163
and there are no typos
 
user4842163
the author made no mistakes typing.. and his issues are reproducible.. they're just coming from a complete misunderstanding of the programming language, as pointed out in the comments
 
10:55 AM
Yep, then it shouldn't be closed as typo.
at least
However, when I see a stupid question, I'll go to search for a dupe. It maybe can be closed as a dupe, and I always can find one.
 
user4842163
I think there is this awkward grey zone close reason... for which the actual reason people are voting is more like, "RTFM".. but instead "typo" or "too broad" are often chosen
 
Yeah, is there any meta post talking about that? If there's not I'll go to post one.
 
user4842163
A simple imaginary example would be like, "Why does my program terminate when I call terminate();?" .... uh..... what?
 
user4842163
then closed as too broad/typo if a dupe is not found
 
Yeah, that one.
Hmm...can't find a correct meta post about this, let me go post one.
 
user4842163
11:02 AM
I heard that before I was a member on SO, there used to be a close reason like "Lacks minimal understanding" which seems appropriate here.. but I could see that being abused easily
 
Yeah, lacks minimal understanding is replaced with too broad and unclear
 
user4842163
Another one I encountered today had someone asking why their program had odd behavior when they accessed an array using negative indices in C, with like a 5 line code snippet that was just accessing negative indices of an array. :-D I had no idea what to do there even with typo close votes ahead of me. Fortunately someone here spotted that it could be considered a duplicate.
 
user4842163
kinda by the book and possibly over-analytical -- it's hard for me to answer a multiple choice question if none of the answers seem to make a precise fit... so I tend to hesitate always with close votes
 
I only think about what I want the OP to do. If I want them to narrow down I choose too broad, if I want them to add code I choose Unclear, if I want them to trim down the code to the minimum needed to repro I choose MCVE, if I see it is a simply typo I either choose typo (which often also is asked before so a dupe could also work).
Unless you are dupe-hammering with a gold-badge I wouldn't be bothered to much if you're sure the question needs to be closed one-way or the other. there will always be 4 others to vote so if you get it wrong they can find a better reason.
 
11:19 AM
0
Q: Should we close a question which may little "basic"? If so, which reason?

Kevin GuanThere's some very basic questions, so should we close them? What I meant is, for example here's a question closed as a problem that can no longer be reproduced or a simple typographical error. However, I think that reason is incorrect in this case. Because I think Can no longer be reproduced an...

What about this?
 
user4842163
Oh nice! Also like rene's answer.. maybe I should look at it more from the perspective of which reason might best inform the op of what he did wrong, instead of which one most precisely fits.
 
Yeah, seeking the precise close reason is almost like answering the question. I close this question because what you did wrong is fu-ing the bar with the baz
 
user4842163
Maybe "broad" makes sense because while we could answer what he/she immediately did wrong, it's unlikely that he/she will understand it unless we wrote a whole chapter from a programming book's worth of information into the answer.
 
user4842163
Another example from today was like, "I got a segfault. What's wrong? Here is my code [code is like 5 lines of code accessing an array out of bounds with negative literal constants as indices]."
 
user4842163
Almost like you'd need someone trolling to ask the Q. Then we could give an FGITW answer, "You're accessing the array out of bounds." -- but that doesn't really help the op at all, he knows he did that clearly. So then we might have to write a book chapter on how arrays work.
 
11:32 AM
@rene Thanks for the edit :), still trying to improve my English... (Also I'm eating dinner, so was afk)
 
np
 
user4842163
@KevinGuan Mind if I edit your Q to include this other array example?
 
Sam
Morning
 
user4842163
hey there
 
Hiya
 
11:33 AM
Morning
 
Morning?
 
Morning all :)
 
Morning
 
Sam
Morning!
 
Morning
@Ike Feel free to improve my posts. :)
 
Sam
11:37 AM
@Mogsdad Would you like to be re-added?
@KevinGuan Huh?
 
@Pham next 5 tags
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@KevinGuan The next 5 tags are: [tag:No resultsets found] 42
 
Sam
No idea
 
@Ike See that, that's fine :)
@Sam So?
 
Sam
I don't know off the top of my head, rene wrote all the tag fetching code.
 
11:40 AM
!!/blame rene
 
@Tunaki It's Pandya's fault.
 
Sam
There was a bug a while ago which got fixed, but I don't know if the patch made it to this branch.
 
@rene Now you could kick @Tunaki :P
 
!!/blame Someone
 
@BhargavRao It's rene's fault.
2
 
11:41 AM
There
 
Sam
\o/
 
Wow
 
!!/blame
 
@KevinGuan It's Rob's fault.
 
11:42 AM
!!/blame KevinGuan
 
@BhargavRao It's Sam's fault.
 
There
 
@Sam But Closey still works fine.
lol
 
It would be really great if in the 10k+ mod tool "New answers", you had an option to flag the answer without opening the link
 
We want Smokey to blame Closey :P
 
11:42 AM
See, so that's not rene's fault, it's Sam's fault (about Closey's problem).
 
It would save some clicks
 
 $.getScript('http://cdn-chat.sstatic.net/chat/Js/eggs.js', function() {Eggs.WOB.init();Eggs.WOB.blame($('.message').last().addClass('neworedit').parent().parent().attr('class').match(/user-(\d+)/)[1], $('.message').last().addClass('neworedit'));});
 
@Tunaki Yep. Also we need it to be real time :|
 
@BhargavRao Hmm...I want him blame himself.
 
run that snippet in your console and have fun ...
 
Sam
11:43 AM
Lol
 
@rene Oh, another egg :P
Called blame?
!!/blame
 
@KevinGuan It's Closey's fault.
2
 
YES, THAT ONE!
 
Man! How do you do such awesome stuff @rene? Reporting you to Giorgio :P
 
Sam
@Pham next tags
 
11:45 AM
@Sam The next 5 tags are: [tag:No resultsets found] 42
 
Sam
Hmm
 
@BhargavRao Nah I picked it up in the Tavern where bjb found it
 
Any other stuffs like that?
 
yes, eggs.js is full of it
 
Sam
Yeah, post a regex for parsing html...
 
11:47 AM
@Pham Pham doesn't have an account on SEDE?
 
@BhargavRao Do you remember my RO can star their messages meta post? I posted an answer.
 
Sam
@rene Ah...
 
With some funny things.
 
Sam
Right, I forgot about that.
 
@KevinGuan I edited that too
 
11:48 AM
@BhargavRao Yeah, so did you check the link of these eggs?
 
Checking it out now
 
user4842163
Have a case here where the op put a second question in the form of an answer: stackoverflow.com/questions/34241918/…
 
@Sam And it even didn't break despite the lack of permissions \o/
 
I never used the chats, is this the right place to ask someone to add tags to a question? Or can you please kindly point me to where to do so?
 
Sam
@rene \o/
 
11:55 AM
@PinkiePie if it is for a specific language tag you better head to a room that can judge that. But if you share a link we might have a look.
 
I would like someone with enough reputation to create the new tags stackoverflow.com/questions/28581350
whoops
the new tags deviantart and deviantart-api and add them to that question
 
I think deviantart-api would be redundant.
 
Hmm, 103 questions using deviantart
Yeah @BhargavRao it is either one of the two
 
I added deviantart.
 
EEEEK
 
11:59 AM
Oh lol, deviantart exists now? thanks a bunch! deviantart-api would be redundant? but there is youtube and youtube-api, too, right?
 
Lol, should I've added the other.
 
I was about to say so
You can still add that one
and then remove deviantart
it will be gone at 03:00 UTC
 
Done. deviantart will be gone tomorrow
 
thank you! i am not familiar with tagging here, why not just add both?
 
We don't want to suggest that we are open for general deviantart support questions
We are still trying to get rid of the apple, google and microsoft tags
 
12:02 PM
Ok, does that apply to Youtube, too? There is a Youtube Tag and a Youtube-API Tag
 
Also there are many questions with deviantart api stackoverflow.com/search?q=+Deviantart+is%3Aq
 
I really doubt if we should have a tag
 
user4842163
Say... err -- really off-topic chatty, hope it's okay... but it'd be neat if there was a StackExchange site for art critiques. Someone could post their artwork and people could make suggestions to improve it, and then votes align with the nice critiques.... (heads over to Area51)
 
@Bart I don't know if I'd describe them as trivial -- though an immediate answer would be. Maybe something like, "How do I use my computer when it is turned off? I tried yelling at it for hours but it still wouldn't do anything. Here is a voice recording of what I yelled at it to do." The immediate response is usually like.... "Err.... what?"Ike 6 mins ago
@Ike I like this joke, I'm still laughing :P
 
@BhargavRao many questions with api but the tag didn't exist, right? Anyhow, thanks again, guys! See ya!
 
12:05 PM
@PinkiePie Yep.
Bye, have a nice day o/
 
Thanks, ditto
 
Sam
Cya!
 
Is this valid json: { "name.with.dot": "fubar"}?
 
@rene yes
 
tnx
 
12:24 PM
^ That should help :)
 
@rene Also a nice argument in the decade-old dead eval debate.
 
Huh, I should write one. Just use try...except to catch if json.loads() raise an error. If there's no error then it's valid json.
 
I just read Day 13's problem. Hmm... Not so easy.
 
Sam
Simple, use magic.
 
Of course. How come I didn't think of it!
 
That moment when you realize has questions on SO :O
 
@BhargavRao Realized that long time ago :P
I've just notice that I stopped review Triage queue, because I don't have enough close votes to review Triage after I reviewed Close Vote queue.
 
Only 40320 combinations. I guess I'll brute-force this.
 
@Tunaki I don't even try it, since I don't want to fail miserably.
 
12:54 PM
@KevinGuan link?
 
I love it when an edit supposedly fixing grammar is titled "spelling and grammer"
 
Sam
lol
 
You rejected coz of that? :P
 
@Tunaki Tank you :P
 
1:03 PM
@BhargavRao Nah, but because it doesn't improve anything
 
@Mogsdad Never mind, closed as Can not reproduced.
 
Sam
@Tunaki Agree.
And it misses other areas which could be improved.
 
@BhargavRao close enough to use your one-box of the day!
 
Sam
@Pham add user 1677912
 
Lol. I'd reserve it though :P
 
1:04 PM
@Tunaki Huh? I think it's a good edit.
 
@KevinGuan But I do mind - if the tool touches code, that's against plan.
 
@Sam Ok, I added Mogsdad (1677912) to the tracked users list.
@Sam That user is already in the system!
 
Sam
Laaaaaaag
 
@KevinGuan It leaves fluff and doesn't improve the formatting of the post. Sure it corrects some grammar but that's just not enough.
 
Sam
1 min to add a user?
 
1:05 PM
@Mogsdad But however, I can't reproduced it.
 
Sam
@Mogs You are now on the Chosen Ones List.
 
It is fun to know that people think I made stackoverflow.com/users/current :D
 
@Tunaki It does fixed some like changed onPostExecute() to code format. However I'd say if you think an edit is good, but not enough. Click Improve Edit to improve it. I'll do.
 
@BhargavRao huh?
 
Sam
@Tunaki cough the link cough
 
1:08 PM
@KevinGuan Okay. Thanks!
I didn't want to burden myself from doing it
 
Sam
@KevinGuan Granted, but users should fix all outstanding issues with a post, especially if they've going to waste my time end up in the review queue.
 
@Sam agree
 
@Sam As what I said, I'll approve an edit whatever it just added a full stop. However, they're trying to help.
 
Sam
And so begins the age old argument...
;)
 
1:13 PM
Stands confused at the moment - To agree or not agree
 
@Sam Huh? What's that?
 
@KevinGuan This is great to do when you have over 2k+, that way, you don't ~~waste my time~~ end up in the review queue.
 
Sam
@KevinGuan High standards vs. low standards.
 
@Tunaki Hmm...so again.
 
Sam
Fudge sake, why isn't is escapeing now?
 
1:16 PM
@Sam Oh, that one. Let's begin. :P
@Sam ---like this---
 
@Sam too late now
The epic fail will stay
 
Sam
@KevinGuan Ik
 
What if you want to strike out ---? NVM
 
Sam
But you should be able to escape chars with the slash
Ok
 
Nov 20 at 12:01, by Tunaki
stuff to strike
So you know how to use that ... but forgot? :P
 
1:17 PM
@KevinGuan It appears I forgot then :D
 
That's fine :P
 
​---​
Finally
 
struff to strike
 
Sam
So, you can escape * ` and _ (and probably other stuff)
But not -'s
 
*
****
 
Sam
1:20 PM
@KevinGuan Bring. It. On.
 
__
`_*
 
ಠ_ಠ
 
Sam
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
o_o
ò_ò
 
(╯°□°)╯︵ ɥbnoɹɥʇǝʞıɹʇs ʇɐɥɔ
 
Sam
1:23 PM
˙ ͜ʟ˙
 
ƪ(˘⌣˘)ʃ
 
starts to wonder when we will be kicked for disrupting the normal flow of this room
and wonders... what *is* the normal flow of this room?
 
Sam
But, but, it's the weekend!
 
Wonders when the drama session 3 starts
 
Hmm so you can't italicize an already italicized text
 
Sam
1:25 PM
You don't say.
 
That's weird. It should switch to non-italicized text when you do it
 
@Tunaki As Sam said, we don't have life.
 
@Tunaki Like this? -- what is the normal flow of this room?
 
@Sam lol
 
lolol
 
1:27 PM
what is the normal flow of this room?
 
Don't know
 
Sam
THIS IS SPARTA SOCVR
 
Ha but technically, this is not italicizing an italicized text. This is stopping the italicized text, writing normal text and beginning another italicized text :D
 
How to pronounce SOCVR? Soockver?
 
Sam
Sock-ver?
 
1:29 PM
Okay however I'll go to sleep, leave you three persons here with bots :P
!!/blame
 
@KevinGuan It's Closey's fault.
 
Donkey!
 
Sam
Yeah...
 
True
 
Back to closing questions :D
 
Sam
1:32 PM
Lol
 
Sleep time.
 
Sam
Cya
 
Bye
 
considers saying Night
 
Enough
 
Sam
1:33 PM
>.>
Anyway, back to coding.
 
Yeah I'm didn't begin Advent Of Code because of you guys. You're distracting me.
:D
 
Sam
No no no, lol.
 
lol
 
Must resist urge to type lol
 
Sam
But you already did, lol
 
1:51 PM
Yay \o/ Part 1 solved
 
Sam
\o/
 
@Tunaki How did you solve it?
 
@Thaillie Brute-force
 
user4842163
I'm seeing so many horrid questions in C and C++ recently. Is it like a special time of the season where students have the most homework or something?
 
user4842163
Unless my memory is all screwy, it wasn't this bad even a few months ago.
 
1:59 PM
November/December is always worse
 
Sam
I have to admit, I have seen more homework Qs recently too.
 

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