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10:00 PM
@Drew Oh, and I have feelings as well, so at least try to be a bit nice to me.
I'll return the favor
 
Sigh, getting sleep. Will read transcripts later. Bye for now o/
 
slacker
 
Bye from here too.
 
there's no room for feelings
but i will try
 
You can smell me if that makes you feel better
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10:02 PM
@rene that's quite possibly the most disturbing thing you've ever said :p
 
I have gotten the following from this conversation
and this ought to be the most disturbing
Drew: Unilateral delete 50 a day if you so choose
we trust you
 
Sam
Night!
 
@Drew yes, if you do that by voting honestly there is no problem.
 
@rene I will
 
That honestly part was stressed by Shog9
 
10:05 PM
@Drew You are, right?
:)
 
@Tunaki yes. I maintain a list. It will be in the beehive shortly files_archive
 
I still wonder why you really ask?... You are free to do what you like... You are requesting answers that nobody can give you... other then be honest be nice..
 
If you can;t make a list or give a screen shot to Brad I think you are hiding something.
 
@Drew And that is also the reason that I'm very defensive about down voting from this room or advertizing it because it might be seen quickly as pile-on voting
 
@PetterFriberg because it is far reaching
@PetterFriberg it is powerful, no rep required, and immediate
 
10:08 PM
so you like them to stop it?
you have found a bug?
 
@PetterFriberg No I want it to be obvious that i am doing it
 
aaaargh
 
ok... but don't expect answers..
 
I can't do this typing thing today
 
no one will tell you .... please do that.... since it need honesty...
 
10:09 PM
look it is a comment. Let's move on. I am free to do whatever I want
Shog heard it. He sorta blessed it with caveats. All I wanted. Mission accomplished
 
Yes... exactly and the most important part is ok frustration, but be nice, its more important to be nice... then to get upset about a 10K questions on SO
 
I am not upset
 
mmm I know you, you are not happy...
 
I just wanted shog to hear about it. And I got booted ... big deal
 
you did not get booted for that...
 
10:13 PM
alright Rene and Gunner dont blow sunshine
I got booted cause I am an a wipe
 
it was a bad word that was out of place... no need to write it... as I believe you are a great guy... working for a better place... you also write not nice word to other people doing the same
 
that was slow, I even had time to upvote Praveen's comment
 
@PetterFriberg I am proud that I was kicked. I have tried hard repeatedly
 
(if I remember correctly)
 
@Drew what does that mean? I hate it when I have to run to the dictionary that often
 
10:16 PM
@Drew No you where offended... and feel not appreciated...
 
@PetterFriberg I think we've settled that Drew refuses to have emotions;)
 
move on
 
I'm on it
 
@pp_ postgone
 
@Magisch you have to help me to remember what link should dig up for you? I'm missing the context, sorry.
 
10:17 PM
@PraveenKumar :D
 
yes lets move on... I go and take a glass of wine... and I would bring you with me if I could.. I appreciated your work and understand the frustration... don't seek answers you can't have...
 
@AndrasDeak :D
 
try coffee
 
I think every question closed should be deleted. I make few bones about it
 
@Drew that's not what it's for, it would seem
 
10:18 PM
except for ocassional helpful dupes
 
the "on hold" period is for OP's to fix the crap
 
Why is this still not gone? stackoverflow.com/q/9134135/462627
 
not that it happens too often
or you mean fully closed?
 
if it aint answer worthy s can it
If you are not allowed to answer it, it should not be here
 
@PraveenKumar name's familiar...
 
10:20 PM
@AndrasDeak First time for me.
 
And I would love to ask that on Meta, but don't care enough about the circus backlash
 
@Drew I guess... but if it gets deleted with the close, and one in a million OP edits it, isn't it harder to undelete+reopen?
@PraveenKumar it's as if there was a simlarly named person who was a maybe-spammer, turned out spammer
 
like with 1000 questions a minute streaming in we care
 
might be coincidence
 
@AndrasDeak Ha ha.. PhD in spammer.
@AndrasDeak Er... "Tech M" != "Tech Arch"
 
10:21 PM
I know, I said "similarly named"
 
@AndrasDeak Right right...
 
@Drew You understand that if users started to use a sistem like that, they will just change the sistem
 
it just rang a bell
 
There are also 100s of Praveens spamming and one Praveen (me) clearing all those ...
 
@PraveenKumar is your name so common, or are there just so many of your people?
 
10:22 PM
@PetterFriberg which system. We have that system
 
as long as it is just you... who really cares... a single ant... does not do much damage nor good
 
@AndrasDeak LoL. Not my people. Then are all the "Jon"s Jon's?
Common Name!
 
The system that people add a ton on non-sense Q per minute. And we can't close them. Because Shog won't let us
 
sorry, didn't mean to sound weird or untactful or whatnot
 
I guess world's most common name is Mohammad, then Jon! LoL.
 
10:24 PM
"Darling, let's call him Jon!" --> the elders of the internet rejoice
another programmer come to the world
 
@JonClements how many questions can you close a day ?
 
@Drew ∞
 
Then why can't @cimmanon and @AlexanderO'Mara
 
@Drew Ask you self why... ask your self what is important for SO... purpose a sistem to close that works.. with all the crazy users on SO... but in the end don't build a life around it... try to have fun...
 
not even a "go get some fresh air" warning after every 100?:D
 
10:26 PM
@JonClements And do you know that I starred your comment? :P
 
@Drew huh?
 
because we are so flat out trying to close non sense, our veterans like cimm and alex and frankly all of us are flat out
 
@Drew What difference would it make... after closing 50 we are already tired... a 100, 200. 1000
 
I am not tired
 
you need a break
and some tea
 
10:27 PM
@Drew You can always ask me for CV if you need.
 
Those are great for perspective
 
what are we talking about? and how did i get dragged into this?
 
I am becoming more and more a slacker...
@cimmanon Got you in a good one, don't worry.
 
@cimmanon close all the things
 
You are a veteran man.
 
10:29 PM
@rene i like closing things, but most people seem to think thats a bad thing :p
 
Meeting time... Bye guys... :(
 
You work at gunr's place?
 
@shog9 Some of us are trying to clean the site and your limits stifle.
Sorry to give you feedback
 
@Drew yeah, that's what I'm talking about right there.
Don't play Atlas
it'll just make you crabby
 
@Drew you could do what i do: go into a lower traffic tag and go into curate mode. youll feel better
 
10:31 PM
don't question the limits. Got it. Throw a frisbee to the elf or something
 
This shit only works when lots of people work together. You can't make up for some folks not doing enough by trying to take on everything yourself.
 
don't care enough
 
work 1 hour a day. k
 
@rene you starting to see my point there? I really don't care to see a whole room full of burn-outs.
Look at poor Drew here. There, but for the grace of daily limits, go you.
 
10:32 PM
Yes, I'm fully aware of what is happening
 
@Shog9 you know, you are banking on that "This shit only works when lots of people work together."
it is twisted. we all know it
 
well, at least one of us is
I recommend jasmine tea
very relaxing
 
I recommend shutting this room down
 
I assume Drew finds the limits hand-holding
 
@Drew why is that? We're just starting having fun
 
10:34 PM
why pretend we are cleaning anything. Shog says get some tea.
 
@AndrasDeak I think he's cranky & needs a break, but won't give himself one so is raging at everyone and everything around him.
that's a bummer
 
ya know Shog I work hard at motivating people . Nice try
 
@Shog9 I know what you mean, but Drew doesn't seem like a tipical person. Making him go through the usual hoops will only make him grumpier
 
you sell ads
you get paid for this. I don't
 
I don't, actually. I'm a terrible salesperson. There are people who are good at that sorta thing who sell ads.
 
10:36 PM
@Drew what do you want them to do? run the site out of the goodness of their own hearts? it costs money to run servers and pay for bandwidth
 
For instance, I don't think that he was angry before his kick, so kicking him only made him more frustrated. At least that's my suspicion
 
Yeah well I am your friend. Act like it
 
I just deal with crabby people all day. For some reason, I'm good at that.
 
I think he's just frustrated with the system, which is hard to treat
 
@Drew that's why I'm recommending the jasmine tea. Seriously, good stuff.
 
10:36 PM
@Drew I think I have a different idea about how much time it will need to clean up. And I don't have a target set
 
@Shog9 i think youre just antagonizing him at this point
 
@AndrasDeak :shrug: I've been there. Take a break, do something fun, come back when this is fun for you again.
 
I think you all ought to warm up to the fact that we are friendly fire and dump on us
 
@cimmanon beats sitting back and watching him take it out on all of you. I get paid for this.
 
@Shog9 if I make useful comments point them out on occasion
 
10:37 PM
My issue is that everyone wants the same thing: removing crap
 
@AndrasDeak I don't
 
you don't?
 
No
 
what do you want?:)
 
sometimes being angry and throwing lamps helps. well, it doesnt help the lamp, but sometimes it helps blow off steam
 
10:38 PM
I agree..
and sometime friends can listen to some frustration... lets just be silent for 1 minute...
 
I go dig up a garden plot. Shoveling takes care of a lot of stress.
 
How about throwing a baseball against a tree? That doesn't sound quite as destructive. (Unless of course it bounces and hits your head.)
 
@zondo unless it's one of @MsYvette's blimpy bombing trees...
 
@shog9 admit it. You have been told to squelch the close crowd
 
@AndrasDeak I want to moderate the posts on the site and helping out users to reach the quallity level needed. If that failed a slight nudge to get things ROOMBA-ed might be part of that.
 
10:40 PM
?
 
turn away no question
accept spam
 
that benefits no one
 
deny none
 
@rene aah. OK. I meant both closing and deleting as "removing". It's probably bluntness on my side.
 
yeah well we get that. Then you say pick 50 @shog
 
10:41 PM
The biggest advantage that SO has is the signal/noise ratio
 
@Drew where do you get that idea? the only thing ive seen shog support is salvaging as much content as possible and culling the rest
 
pp_
If I am unhappy with a system I try to fix it. The tea is for afterwards. Just saying.
 
@Shog9 advantage over what?
 
@AndrasDeak I'm carefully filling the transcript with context ...
 
@rene oh, sorry
 
10:41 PM
Y! Answers. Quora. Any random clone that takes the SO data-dump and mirrors it.
 
I see:)
 
SO wasn't exactly the first to do this sorta thing, y'know.
And certainly not the last
 
@Shog9 please give us 100 a day. One person at a time. We can't close stuff.
 
Things like editing and closing - tools available to any user willing to put in a modicum of useful work - are what sets it apart.
 
We are left with the impression that you don't care (ok I am)
 
10:43 PM
hey @Drew you're a junkie!:P
 
that is helpful. thx
 
@Drew what would you do differently with 100 votes per day?
 
close more
dont go bluet on me
i read it
i read you. I am a junkie
 
no matter how many close votes any of us get individually, it still wont be enough to stem the tide of garbage
 
Drew honestly do you think the solution is you closing more... or more people involved in closing... or SO creating search index to avoid what no one close?
 
10:44 PM
earning a gold tag badge gives you 5x closing power in that tag instantly.
 
@Drew I don't think feeding a junkie's addiction is generally considered wise
 
Really, that made a much bigger difference than anything we've done, including doubling close votes
a tiny handful of people voting more does almost nothing
 
that is why i said cimm and alex. get people that focus on closing dupes or trash and not other mod activities. just close.
 
Personally, I think lowering the close threshold might be more effective.
 
How many of you have tag badges?
 
10:46 PM
I stare at a ton of stuff that deserves closing. You say go recruit. Gunner says what is wrong with your spam. I can't take any of you seriously
 
I have a gold badge on MSO. Does that count?
 
@AlexanderO'Mara The site use to only require 3 votes - it err, didn't work too well...
 
@Shog9 Currently, I have 0 gold tag badges.
 
Shog says get some tea
 
i have 2, Praveen has multiple
 
10:47 PM
So, we got two people
That's a start
The rest of you should try to get some. They work really well.
 
I say make Cimm and Alex infinity closers of the crap that litters this room like you say no i say you are wrong
 
lol I have some bronze badges... what can I do with these : )
 
@cimmanon what do you think of the idea of a dedicated dup queue?
 
tunaki has at least 1 gold badge
 
And I question how serious you are
 
10:48 PM
@PetterFriberg answer a few more questions & get silver
 
@Shog9 cant the queue already be filtered by closure type?
 
@JonClements What if it was 3 identical close reasons, that could close it without waiting for 5?
 
with all due respect and hugs and kisses
 
@cimmanon sure. But that's not obvious to everyone, and each queue has its own limits...
 
@Shog9 Don't know I'm a low traffic tagger... best answerer have hardly silver... but was mostly jooking (since 2 was a good start)....
 
10:49 PM
@AlexanderO'Mara It's an idea - but I've only been on the site for ~4 years and I certainly don't have access to the stats required to evaluate that - and from what I gather, the whole close vote system has had huge amount of consideration based on what's best over the years...
 
A gold tag badge can only instant close dupes, right? Not general garbage?
 
right
 
(hence the nickname dupe-hammer)
 
there are, however, an insane number of duplicates in most tags
 
general garbage is more harmful than dupes, though
 
10:52 PM
I don't know if I see that many dupes in a day, mostly just regular garbage.
 
garbage dups are the worst, IMHO
 
make more mods. get serious. get cimm and alex and undo unlimited close powers. imho
 
what's worse than a question that attracts bad answers? A question that attracts bad answers and gets in the way of finding a question with good answers.
 
I will tell you what is worse. Limits
 
Who was the runner-up last election?
 
10:53 PM
get 2 and 3 and pull em up
 
@Shog9 Undo?
 
@Shog9 undo was second runner up - can't remember 4th place
 
But wouldn't those new mods get soaked up in the mod-queue?
In two months we have @Drew asking here again for more mods
 
Find a mod that id drew socvr centric and never leave us
 
@rene probably? depends on how well we can do with LQ review.
 
10:55 PM
never leave any request
 
Every candidate thinks they're gonna have craploads of time to engage in hobbies, and then they see the queue...
 
Bah - that's annoying me now - going to run for 5 seats - re-run with 5 seats: .

Winners are Ed Cottrell, Madara Uchiha, Undo, josliber, and TheLostMind
 
@Shog9 at least garbage dupes can raise the page rank of canonicals if they can get closed. the other kinds of garbage have no value
 
@cimmanon the key phrase there is "if they can get closed"
 
so Shog let us close them
Don't tell us to find people
You have people here you can trust. Here 2 3 5 10 years.
You say you are only good for 50 / day
 
10:59 PM
@Drew everything is ephemeral
 

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