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pp_
 
12:22 AM
!!/alive
 
@Rizier123 plz send teh coffee
 
@pp_ Weird that Smokey didn't caught that.
 
I was thinking the same thing.
 
12:33 AM
stackoverflow.com/a/35785842/3933332 Don't even know what I should call this? Is it NAA, a new question, ...?
 
Rob
NAA
 
12:55 AM
There are some duplicates of this question stackoverflow.com/questions/9560600/… in the java tag. They can pretty reliably be found here stackoverflow.com/… . I already wasted more than half of todays close votes to on those Qs.
 
1:50 AM
@fabian I am happy to present them to a gold but need a filter (a person making a list) for it other than hey go look at these 77. We don't want you to tack on 1 vote at a time when a gold can just close it. That said, we can't point a gold to a url and say hunt.
I scanned and read hundreds of java and c# today to present maybe 30 to various golds. Onsy twosy. It stinks. I don't know what else to say.
 
2:46 AM
@gunr2171 What could be useful to this room is to trust the people that have unquestionable integrity imo. If we need to go to a separate room to discuss that, we can. And I can listen and shut up.
 
3:08 AM
@Drew Real talk: I've got no issue with you recruiting people with specific expertise that want to help close question. The RO's have one two things we want to you be aware of. First is you're making a lot of comments on main. If you want to invite someone to chat, don't spam the site.
Second, we've got some people showing up here in chat not understanding what was going on and then "being put to work". Remember our policy of "no one is under any obligation to do anything".
However, what you do outside of SOCVR isn't much my problem, so I don't think we have any power of what you do in this regard.
 
@gunr2171 I make minor comments to people to build a team. Like 10 a week
If that disturbs you or @rene then let me know. I deliver
 
Like I said, what you outside of SOCVR is not directly my problem, I'm just making you aware of a potential problem
 
what is that problem
that I am effectively close stuff
 
I've got to get to bed, I'll talk about this more tomorrow.
 
cuz you have some problem with me. nite.
 
user3956566
3:28 AM
@rene thanks
 
So, advice on ^
If you read the comment, they did break up a broad question, but ended up No MVCE on like all of them
 
@gunr2171 Because the RO's are inept at the message
And I work hard to deliver the message
 
3:43 AM
Nevermind (Deleted)
Both of them
 
4:09 AM
@rene @gunr2171 what did you do today to make this room strong?
I worked my ass off to deliver people and votes. I recruit. I beg peeps like cricket to come here. I am so tired of the complacency
 
@Drew :P
 
4:34 AM
Just don't open the edit view for: stackoverflow.com/q/35788013/3933332 ... don't!
(^^ It could damage your eyes and brain)
 
@Rizier123 Eww... Also, on that other one. It is a duplicate of the old question :) stackoverflow.com/questions/35630496/…
@Rizier123 Too late. Editted
 
user4639281
 
user4639281
I downvoted a couple, but anymore would trip the serial voting script. Obviously the "dupe answer" script hasn't picked it up yet.
 
@TinyGiant Flagged?
 
user4639281
 
spam?
 
user4639281
It's not spam though, the user isn't associated with the product.
 
5:42 AM
self-promotion = spam. right?
Exists only to promote a product or service, does not disclose the author's affiliation.
 
Try to find dupe questions on those
 
user4639281
It's not self promotion.
 
user4639281
It's answers that recommend the use of a tool which is tangentially related to the questions asked.
 
user4639281
Ahh and only a couple will be caught by the script because one of the links is broke
 
user4639281
And the links themselves are different.
 
5:45 AM
Ok, downvoted.
 
user4639281
Enough of a difference I think, flagged.
 
user4639281
> dupe answer of dupe answer of dupe answer of dupe answer. All of these differ slightly, and are only tangentially related to the questions. I'm hoping that there is enough of a difference between the answers that an exact duplicate answer flag was not raised, invalidating the need for this flag. Geez it would be nice if there was more transparency. Sorry, forgot the limerick.
 
user4639281
cc @Mogsdad ^^
 
user4639281
All of those are the questions to which the answers were posted, at least this guy is helpful for pointing out off-topic questions.
 
@TinyGiant LoL
CV'd.
 
6:00 AM
too broad here
 
user4639281
@intboolstring [tag:cv-pls]
 
6:22 AM
^^^ Way Too Broad ^^^
 
6:58 AM
Heya, morning. o/
 
Morning
 
7:26 AM
@Drew I do see the effort you make and I also see you walk the line of what I think should be the spirit of this room laid out in its guidance. I like to see new people in here but I noticed now at least one user entering the room who was confused maybe even a bit intimidated. I don't think confusion is an emotion that should be linked to this room. Find a way to invite users with an open and transparent action. We can work that out together if you want.
 
@rene Not least of all ROs adding to that intimidation
if I was in a shittier mood yesterday I might have quit this room alltogether
 
Yes, that can happen. If words don't seem to work we have very little options left.
 
morning.
 
@Magisch As far as I can tell you had been warned before. Don't push us to much, this room is moderated more heavily then others around chat.so
 
@Magisch, how are you today?
 
7:31 AM
Less miserable
Between the 100s of trash questions every day I get angry wrongly from time to time
like 2 times in 2 weeks
In these cases I always apologize when pointed out that im wrong, I don't think thats an issue there
Triage audits have been known to be smarter from time to time. I just got served a spam question that I helped flag-nuke as audit, and now I can't do the correct review action (flag spam) to pass that audit
 
hahaha
@Magisch, i had a wrongly-flagged 'link only' answer as audit yesterday. didn't pass.
 
@Magisch we all can get upset now and then given things that happen in real or virtual live. We, the RO team, might not always be able to be the understanding and less forgiving pal you're looking for during such event in time. Feel free to drag one of us in new room if you want to vent or deflect your anger.
 
Whats annoying me more is that
yes I got angry unfairly at a post
but I remedied that when pointed out
and gunr kicked me regardless
Yes this has happened before, like a week ago
sifting through literally 100s of trash posts every day thats bound to happen some days
And I cant do more then stop beeing angry and apologize in that case, can I?
 
@Magisch Exactly, and we find that a serious issue so the RO team took notice and agreed on next steps if it would happen again
 
I even removed my DV and comment on the answer
Its bound to happen again between 100s of trash questions every day
sorry im not a robot
 
7:38 AM
@Magisch being in this room comes with a bit more resposibilty
we're doing our best to help and guide everyone dealing with the stuff they run into
 
All I can guarantee is that I used my best judgement. It wasn't the correct action in that case, which I admitted when he pointed it out
what exactly do you want from me?
 
@Magisch
(sorry, and hello!)
 
To just not make mistakes? Because I can't do that
 
@Magisch Accept that you're being kicked if you serial offend our rules. And if you're getting angry, drop a message in here and ask someone else to deal with it. The reason this room exist is to make moderation a bit more fun. To have a place you can run to with you're done with it is one of our reasons to exist
 
Can anyone link me to the incident, or is it still that regex with the 'copied' answer?
 
7:42 AM
Is getting angry an offense to the rules now?
Or beeing wrong in general?
 
@Magisch Its bound to happen again between 100s of trash questions every day I think what is more frustrating than just seeing bad posts, is that if you just don't have the tools to handle all of them and you feel like your hands are tied and you can't do anything.
 
@Magisch we all make mistakes but we can share experiences here if you get pissed off by anything that is thrown at you when you close vote, comment, vote. flag or edit a question.
 
Moderation on SO is bound to make you very jaded and very angry quickly
I didn't even get angry at gunr
 
@Magisch No, it sure isn't ;)
 
I got angry at the post (wrongly, but still not the point)
 
7:44 AM
@Magisch You get the credits for that, true
 
@Magisch, you have been on pain killers and made a bad call. what you received, afair, was a 'kick', not even an actual kick from this room, only a mention. just let is go then. You might make mistakes in the future, much like everyone does, but you'll probablty not get worked up on that so much.
Also, what you might learn from that is that moderating SO counts as operating heavy machinary.
 
@Magisch Putting effort into SO and waiting to get something back or getting emotional is just DEATH on SO. Because then you get frustrated/angry, punched in the face again for getting angry and so on... So you must try your hardest to be neutral and not expecting anything to get back.
 
And here I am trying to understand wth is going on.
Anyway, let's celebrate my bronze badge on python, shall we? :D Also only 450 more until I join you on CVs.. [OK I'm bad at changing the subject.]
 
\o/
@Lafexlos Magisch needs a cuddle
 
7:54 AM
Its frustrating to see dozens of trashposters every day
and then you try to help them
and 9/10 dont even respond, and 9/10 of those who do respond do either with insults or getting angry at you
I wish I had a big banhammer
 
Morning
 
I felt a great disturbance in the Force
Morning o/
 
moning @Ferrybig
 
@Ian No idea when you passed 10k but congratz on that. :D
 
Here is them problem, well not the real problem, but the problem for you! You expect something. You expect a (good) response. To not get angry you can't expect something. Just put as much as you want into SO, but don't expect any output.

If you comment, don't expect any response.
If you answer, don't expect upvotes, accept nor comments.
So with this you get less and slower angry, because you don't wait for something.
 
8:01 AM
@Rizier123, that actually is a good call for most parts of life.
 
I do expect something though
 
Expectation is the root of all heartache. - W. Shakespeare
 
I volunteer my time which is both limited and valueable
 
@Magisch, what do you expect then?
if you want to make a difference, that might not be measurable for you.
 
That people at least read what I say if I volunteer my time to say it
 
8:05 AM
so you'll get frustrated
 
T J
downvote-pls: stackoverflow.com/a/1250418/2333214 (dead-link only answer so that it gets deleted from reviews)
 
But don't expect something only because your time is valuable. If you do something on SO think about it, if you are satisfied with what you do without a response. You just have to be satisfied with what you do without any reward.

If you answer a question. Be happy with what you wrote, but don't expect anything out of it.
 
@TJ We don't do targeted down or upvoting here. Read the FAQ please
 
That people at least read what I say if I volunteer my time to say it <- Here is the point, an incredible hard point!, which is that you can't expect ANYTHING. Otherwise you shouldn't put as much work into SO, so you expect less/none.
 
Plop!
 
8:10 AM
@Kyll Plop
 
Oh hey Rizier, been a while since we've been in here at the same time
 
@Kyll Heya \o
 
@Kyll, oi.
 
@Kyll Hey :P
 
Ian
@Lafexlos thanks! :D not so long time ago actually...
 
8:17 AM
what is this?
spam?
 
@JanGreve That's strange, they have a lot of rep for a spammer, if that's what it is.
 
user3956566
@JanGreve link only
 
@MsYvette, the link has nothing to do w/ the q?
 
@MsYvette AFAIK, completely irrelevant to the quesiton, so perhaps NAA?
 
@AlexanderO'Mara, but neither a comment. just completely off topic.
 
user3956566
8:21 AM
Yes, what I mean it is NAA. Irrelevant what the link is for, as that's the point of link onlies being NAA. The links break or can be irrelevant
 
user3956566
I voted it for deletion
 
user3956566
Link only = NAA
 
@MsYvette, the problem I had with this is: the link does promote some service.
and completely missing the point, too
 
@JanGreve Looks less like spam and more like "I googled the question and this was the first link that came up, maybe I'll get some rep for posting it"
 
@Magisch Seems like you are already on the test: stackoverflow.com/a/35790945 are you satisfied with your answer just as you wrote it without any response? Or are you angry because of the DV / do you expect something out of it, like an upvote?
 
user3956566
8:24 AM
@JanGreve Personally I wouldn't be overthinking it to that extent. the user has >300 rep. Let it go.
 
@Rizier123 meh
Not a very thorough answer to a not very thorough question
if someone has to dv for that, meh
 
user3956566
@JanGreve the types of posts that gets the users blacklisted are usually when the user has only posted that one post, has 1 rep. When a user has other legitimate posts, it's important not to be in a hurry to black list them. A site link can be added to smokey, and so can users in this case, I'd just not be concerned, It's NAA.
 
Ian
Magish likes to DV ^^
 
Morning
 
"i dont even know how to make module plz help me in this" - that line alone should give a hint that answers won't go down well
 
8:26 AM
@Magisch Already wrong! You should be satisfied and bother 0% about it. Not even a "meh".
 
I downvote 10-20 posts a day, those who deal also must be able to recieve
If I didn't care, I wouldn't be posting here or helping
 
user3956566
@kayess \o
 
Ian
I can see that. Your profile shows you make 823 upvotes and 998 downvotes...
 
@Magisch But you don't have to care about a response, otherwise this will be what makes you angry over the time.
 
Ian
Will be breaking 1k downvote by today, I suppose. ;)
 
user3956566
8:28 AM
@JanGreve is that cool?
 
Hiya o/
 
@MsYvette Did you check the links?
 
Ian
It took me a while to realize that Smoke Detector isn't human... O.o
 
user3956566
yes
 
user3956566
http://gmail.sign-in.help/ http://hotmail.sign-in.help/ @Ferrybig
 
8:32 AM
@MsYvette Looks legit.
 
Just 1 more
 
Doesn't seem to be legit, because you would expect the help domains to be under google.com and hotmail.com
 
@MsYvette, not really. I opted to flag as spam and link only, bacause it's actually a combination:)
 
user3956566
that's why I used false positive. So please let me know if I'm wrong
 
Thanks
 
user3956566
8:33 AM
 
@TJ I don't see an acknowledgement of what @Magisch said to you but we refrain here from asking for down-votes. It is mentioned here
afk
 
@MsYvette The last part is just a advertisement, the question is only over google, but they talk over hotmail
 
user3956566
@Ferrybig @AlexanderO'Mara it may be a site that's stealing SO content, I need to check
 
@Ferrybig I was joking...
 
user3956566
Sorry I was tricked when I checked the site.. but further review makes me think the sites are dodgy
 
8:35 AM
@AlexanderO'Mara I pressed "send message" before I saw your message, my message was addressed to Ms Yvette
 
user3956566
@AlexanderO'Mara great minds! oops
 
Hello
 
user3956566
afk
 
@Ferrybig Well, still looks like I ninja'd you
 
@Kyll Only that you addressed the wrong smokey message, smokey understands it as the message already removed by tuna
 
Ian
8:37 AM
@Ferrybig SomeDetector isn't human, is he? O.o
 
@Ferrybig I know. But appearances are saved!
 
@Ian he is not :)
 
Smokey is a bot:
!!/help
 
@Ferrybig I'm SmokeDetector, a bot that detects spam and offensive posts on the network and posts alerts to chat. A command list is available here.
 
Ian
@JanGreve OK, that confirms it...
 
8:38 AM
@Ian Depends on what you consider "human"...
 
Ian
Cool... the bot can reply
 
.... but I will consider renaming me to SomeDetector
 
@JanGreve Smokey is considered a female bot, address her with she, :)
 
pp_
!!/alive
 
@pp_ Yup
 
Ian
8:39 AM
@Kyll Normal Human... (but then we will ask what you consider as Normal, sigh there is no end...)
 
@Ferrybig What? No, Smokey is a "he". Closey is a "she"!
 
#botlivesmatter
Dont discriminate against smokey
 
@Magisch IMHO wrong close reason, but still broad
 
Ian
Who creates the SmokeDetector bot?
 
@bummi Well hes asking about general advice about SSDs (Benchmarking them)
 
8:40 AM
@bummi It doesn't ask about writing a C program, only using one, so...
 
@MsYvette \o
 
@Ian, have you even read the FAQ?;)
 
buuurn
 
Ian
@JanGreve errhmm, I guess you know the answer... well not all -.-'
 
8:41 AM
@Tunaki That somehow got 2 upvotes
 
<_<
 
I would read it different with a C program but does not really matter, since to broad/OPB
 
@bummi It could even be tool recommendation
 
> ProgramFOX 5,189 ++ / 231,647 --
^ Refactoring to a whole new level
 
8:42 AM
depending on the reading :) but as said, does not matter at all
 
@Kyll code deletion is a great part of refactoring :D
 
@Tunaki Removing unnecessary code, that is
 
I love to delete code. Deleting whole classes is a even better feeling than writing one.
 
I love doing more with less code
It makes me feel efficient
 
@Magisch, then you like haskell? ;)
 
8:49 AM
@JanGreve I like c and assembler
Its satisfying to code on low level
 
@Magisch And get upset on high level crap like regex ?:p
 
regex isn't high level but it definitely is crap.
2
 
@Magisch you seem the type who would go full mental doing game programming for the Commodore Amiga platform or something :)
 
@kayess, do not push that button:)
 
it definetly is higher level than C or better yet assembly:p
The poor thing is that you need to tell this to a high level Java programmer :p
@JanGreve Yeah right:)
 
8:53 AM
alright, I'm feeling under the weather today. Gonna leave you guys on your own today, finish up my review queues and leave my quest for the 3k for when I've hopefully dodged that bullet. see you soon, guys :)
 
cya
 
See ya @JanGreve
 
cya
 
@JanGreve feel better dude
 
Ian
@JanGreve see you
 
8:57 AM
@Kev Please use actual close reasons in these
In this case "No mcve"
 
"you can't come to our site". Ouch, a GTFO :)
 
Thats maybe a bit rude
 
Kev
@Magisch wilco....
 
try something like "Please take a read of the How to Ask and the [help] to see what kind of questions you can ask here and how they have to be formatted"
 

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