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2:03 PM
@rene Are you ok with those requests ^?
 
@Tunaki how are they different from Not an Answer (NaA) and Very Low Quality (VLQ) flag requests are not allowed here;?
 
Plop!
 
@Kyll Hiya o/
 
2 messages moved to Trash
 
The current java batch is down...
 
2:08 PM
@rene Oh I was not invited to Trash. Thanks :)
 
Hi everybody, @Drew how did the killer bee attack go last night....
 
will have to run a few stats. Pretty much just softened up some things for you guys later
I think we took off about 65 in total
 
Hey @Drew :)
 
@Tunaki, since you do a fabulous job of flagging... if you like open another room and I can check out re-flags.
 
I'll have to think about that and how it'll work. Will get back to you. Maybe.
 
2:13 PM
^that question originally came up in review, and it's so bad at first I thought 'this is an obvious audit...'
 
@cybermonkey and it was answered, nice.
 
Sidequestion... why are the keyboard shortcuts not available in the review queues?
 
@Tunaki I also custo-flagged the answer requesting that a mod moves it to the original question (not sure if that's possible, but it might be)
 
Good idea.
 
@Vogel612 I dunno, but we have our own shortcut script for the CVQ
 
2:20 PM
oh cool, can I have a link?
 
Afternoon!
 
Sam
Afternoon
 
2:36 PM
@kayess Hiya o/
 
@Tunaki Hiyo!\o
 
@PetterFriberg basically what came of it was we need to train people how to close stuff in java (or any tag) if their rep is just getting them into the ability to close, or if they don't understand the concept
 
@Drew Drew, but to me it seemed that certain user had pretty high rep... I went on promotion streak as you asked... : )... Anyway only way to learn is to start... and many cases a fairly obvious and others one can skip..
Did you see my messages in the android room : )....
 
we just need to train them that is all, if we don't know them, before bringing them into a live batch and then wondering wth where is your complete lack of votes
 
Urgh, Meta effect. Let's pile on! Pile on! Pile on more!
 
or should I say we just need to know that they know how to close, if we don't know then .... blah blah blah the rest
 
The only guy I really saw voting was the Ahmad guy (had high rep), and I also talked to codeMagic (he told me he used to be in SO CVR and he would try to find some time later..)
 
@Thaillie Yes, thanks I saw it first like 1 week ago :)
 
However most people in the other chat's where below 3K
 
17 hours ago, by Drew
@eski if you need a walk-thru on how to cast a close vote let us know
the transcript in and around that
so people are cautious which is fine
 
2:52 PM
Hello
 
hey big guy
 
I think eski mostly join to look... I thank him anyway since I could not really know what he was doing..
@MohammedAoufZOUAG Hia
 
@rene sidenote: doesn't trigger when accessing the queues over https
 
Are there any java batches ?
 
the current batch seems processed
 
2:54 PM
are there ever just give me a few minutes. I am just coming to life here with caffeine
 
I finished it just half an hour ago
 
@MohammedAoufZOUAG We went on killer bee strike last night... but the pile I guess will never end...
 
@PetterFriberg srsly once a batch comes up you gotta poke me
please
 
Well drew will, I'm just one of the bee's
 
@Drew Here's another coffee, real dark.
 
2:56 PM
BBIAB
 
BBL
 
Why do bounties not count in the tag score?
 
i guess the java guys loved this one I didnt stackoverflow.com/questions/35184518
that is the last one in that last batch
@PetterFriberg did you sweep back to batch 32 in archives
 
@Drew huh
 
3:02 PM
I will now... sorry was trying to answer a question... but I sweep the excel...
 
Laters!
 
we can leave 32 alone it was just the stuff at the bottom, page 2 or something that Petter was referring to
 
@Drew I reviewed all and done what I can...
@kayess Cya
@Drew the remaining probably needs vote outside of the (me, tunaki and mohammed) laser blasters
 
so maybe the batch I put up there @tunaki does not look at
let others look first
 
yes sir.
 
3:13 PM
and if one sees a dupe suggestion by someone then don't vote and alert tuna
 
11 answers to go for silver discussion badge
 
Morning
 
Sam
Morning
 
Morning o/
 
@PetterFriberg is "when I need a string and not an int" a valid answer?
 
3:18 PM
@NathanOliver Hiya o/
 
: ), A valid answer is you don't need either push alt+F4
 
Alt+F4 is the solution to all problems yeah.
 
@MohammedAoufZOUAG have you bookmarked the link that never changes for (or any tag) scrutiny for batches?
 
@Drew No I did not. What link ?
 
because like 8 hours ago it seemed you didn't know where the file was, and I had fallen asleep
 
3:24 PM
@Drew In deed
 
@rene Did you add it to the script? It is not showing it was updated.
 
@NathanOliver I was just tesing it
 
@MohammedAoufZOUAG Where you find Drew's email so you can spam him
2
 
@MohammedAoufZOUAG they go up here and in a few minutes I will post a one
 
And I seem to not have introduced a bug, which is weird
 
3:26 PM
@Drew bookmarked
 
I actually love spam, I get too much ED email. Maybe not by accident
 
@PetterFriberg @PetterFriberg lol
 
@rene OK. I'll add it to my version to test it
 
@Drew I will never invite you for diner
nor accept an invitation
 
@NathanOliver I've commited on the repo
@Tunaki turns out I misunderstood what you were asking. reflag requests are OK. We'll update the guidance and I'll try to remember all those silly rulez...
 
3:32 PM
@rene It works perfectly.
 
Man, I'm good...
 
So everyone knows, my apartment got hit yesterday by a power surge which knocked out my server. We're not sure if anything is permanent, but all bot activity, including Closey 2, is delayed for about a week.
 
@rene Ah, I didn't want to argue (since as you said a reflag is technically also asking for a flag)
 
@gunr2171 Wait, so why's Sam still here?
 
har har
 
3:34 PM
Sam runs on a different network.
 
@Tunaki please do argue, I'm not a bot, I do make mistakes. If I have enough of your arguments I'll kick you...
 
@gunr2171 Ouch. That stinks.
 
@rene Fair enough :D
 
@gunr2171 any other damage or is the server the only thing you care about?
 
@rene :P the only thing affected was one computer
 
3:36 PM
@rene he obviously have his priorities set in the correct order ;)
 
@gunr2171 Maybe that means that Thor is angry against Closey.
 
shrug
afk for a bit
 
@Braiam that is certainly true.
 
Thor versus Closey. What a movie that would make.
@JarrodRoberson Do you have a dupe link? I didn't find an appropriate one.
 
off again
 
3:42 PM
@PetterFriberg @MohammedAoufZOUAG batch36 is up there and not for Tuna
 
@JarrodRoberson Ha, I think this one would fit. Do you agree?
 
@Drew I will hit it...
 
@Vogel612 batch36 is up there if interested. Thanks you guys
 
Anytime :)
 
I am afk, going to have lunch with Braiam
ok dupes for tuna only
 
3:48 PM
NOOO
 
or Jarrod of course
 
I didn't know tunas ate dupes. We learn something everyday.
 
@Drew processed. 99% of those have 3 cv, so we need 2 more sweepers
 
@MohammedAoufZOUAG I'm on them...
@Drew this probably can be saved stackoverflow.com/questions/35108403/…
Do you like me to post the one's I think can be removed from excel or who gives...
 
@PetterFriberg probably, yes
 
4:03 PM
@PetterFriberg I edited this
check out now
 
@Magisch Good, I was mostly pointing it out since I did not vote to close and if excel goes up again maybe the are worse question to vote on... (but i don't know if Drew cares...)... the problem with Drew excel is that its almost only really really bad question... so you go into close close close mod.... its hard to get out....
 
^^
I did some pretty drastic reformatting of the text while trying to keep the spirit of the question alive.
 
Don't forget to circle back and leave helpful welcoming comments as you see fit. As in, the whole batch.
 
@Drew Did just now
In case OP wonders why I reformatted his question so much
 
edit above. As in the whole batch
 
4:30 PM
Now that's interesting. Someone posted a real offensive comment directed at me, and deleted it 1 minute later. Just the time for me to read it (and flag it).
 
run rate for closures/deletes is so effective right now, that in the recent term, only 77% are open. That is 10 to 13 % less than c# and python
 
@PetterFriberg Yep, this is a dupe all right.
 
@Tunaki What a petty... I would have like to see it, "Tunaki is great"
 
@PetterFriberg in my mind duplicate and answer are equivalents.. if it should be closed it shouldn't be answered/duplicate
 
4:36 PM
Trying to keep my votes....
 
I am trying to come up with a dupe target with one I answered last nite. Then close and delete.
Not trying very hard, who knows what state that was left in.
Well I just looked at 5 google mysql delete trigger stackoverflow. Nothing great. It stands
 
Congrats you answered a non-dupe question!
 
atm but I am sure if one spent some time, that thing gets vanquished
 
I was tired and slightly washed up yesterday and ended up answering an obvious dupe:
 
lol
I have almost no problem with people doing that seeking rep (edit: that don't know about the dupe concept). I find it bad for me personally.
 
4:52 PM
@Magisch You can't win them all....
 
Never SO on painkillers
and doubly not tired and on painkillers
 
^^ isn't that what makes it tolerable?
 
@Drew I have finally fished you excel.. .that was a lot of work... puh, I need a waffle...
 
@PetterFriberg What exactly did you do?
 
looks like he was on a dupe hunt in a spreadsheet according to the transcript
 
4:55 PM
@Magisch Drew pass me excel's to check out.. I review them but I'm slow...
 
excel's?
 
@Drew lol yea that and trying to comment on question and answer....
 
yeah I put some spreadsheets up on the net for careful TLC
 
and just reading all the ** text takes time...
 
I think 10 at a time. Then something else. Then back. Rinse and repeat
Otherwise it is like going to church, unless you are into that sorta thing
 
4:59 PM
lol at my cv pls already from the title you can judge..
 
Someone tried to describe something
but ended up having verbal diarrhea
 
Yeah I think I gave him the solution in comment... so its probably a dub.. but he did not answer so better unclear....
 
Title: (epic verbosity) Body: see Title
 
I dont even know what jasperreports is
so im not going to vote on that
 
@Magisch PDFs, charts & baby dipers
 
5:03 PM
now you've hurt Petter's feelings
 
No fence @PetterFriberg
Just kidding
 
More or less you are correct... I'm not really a jasper report fan, but its a nice tag to answer in since its low traffic : ) no hurry and lot of different issues pdf, subreport, excel, jfreechar, html, encoding ecc.
I'm never offended I like baby dipers...
 
@PraveenKumar I don't have any messages posted after the latest reboot.
 
sd remove- on t
 
@Tunaki I've only posted 1 messages since the latest reboot; that's not enough to execute all commands. No commands were executed.
 
5:08 PM
Guys, f is false positive right?
 
Yes.
 
y
 
Great..
 
@PetterFriberg I think Javascript handles this stuff in a better way
 
Just gave that command to smokey...
 
5:08 PM
@ArtOfCode Meh?
 
@MohammedAoufZOUAG javascript is a high traffic tag, like java... lots of **** and mostly every question has already been answered.... and you need to be FGITW and I'm slow...
 
maybe we should have a Java cv training room
then a python one
mainly for marketing and recruiting our k bees
 
sounds good @Drew
 
cuz we need some votes. They can focus on the queue in here that people post, because Java is in good shape for a day
Like Mogz said way over there on the right, we need to run thru the requests queue in this room and soften up the cv3 and cv4
 
I don't know Drew the problem is you need people scattering around the result maybe less activity...
 
5:13 PM
scattered what do you mean.
 
We need more people.
 
But it is always worth a try... maybe event would be better...
 
Scattered means they age away and a bunch of jailbreak freaks are running thru the woods
 
If you do more room's less people in single room, less interesting....
 
it could be temporary, I mean the rooms
 
5:14 PM
I know but here is the thing. We need to bring people in that are interested in our tag. Then we need to bring them in here and get them to finish up that Mogz reference
The room is just for recruit / training / a welcome
 
for a few days, and then hop on the ship
 
Last thing we need is multiple active rooms for our cause. Our cause meaning closing in general
Then rename the room to something else. After you get your core 8 java guys, there is no need to recruit them anymore.
 
Sadly, SO is not just Java. We need 8 people active everyday to handle a single tag.
 
I know. So once they are here, we get other stuff. This room has MSFT pretty well covered
But here is the thing. There are conversations in here about Suggested Edit Queue and all this distractionary stuff all the time. New recruits don't need to get overwhelmed by that and flee. They need coddling, a sip of the KoolAid etc
 
@Tunaki s/everyday to/everyday that don't get fed up with the crap they see to/
 
5:21 PM
You only get one chance at a first impression. And sometimes in here, it is wtf
 
look at the bright side @Drew, at least we aren't the lounge
 
by a country mile we are not
 
Sometimes I have a feeling that SO do not want us to close to much stuff.. (they like the activity)... it would be much easier to implement new features (like bronze tag 2cv ecc)... forcing user to search on SO, test to ask question ecc.
 
They don't want us to close that much stuff
 
Imagine the difference only if you have bronze or above (2 CV), I think all tags would be clean automatically.... becasue now we basically look into stuff (that would have been closed)
 
5:25 PM
Of course they want the bad stuff off of here, but they want the new user to feel welcome and not beat up. Left with some breadcrumbs to clutch as to why their Q was closed. And not be dissed.
 
Saying this what becomes a problem if we get to organized they will changed the rules so it get even tougher..
 
Imagine if you had all new questions from new peeps in a holding cell that veteran developers screen as a Fill or Kill. You get 2 minutes to kill it or it gets published. All these things will never happen.
 
@Drew This is why I think a new poster should have an opportunity to test a question... either in closed environment or not (no down votes)
 
@Tunaki Smokes is temperamental.
Y'all can pretty much ignore me if I post anything Smokey-like.
 
Under 20 rep, all questions go to holding cells. That is a great idea, never will happen
 
5:28 PM
@ArtOfCode lol okay
 
But I think they should consider something since now new poster (used to facebook) post some stuff (not knowing anything about SO), get alot of down votes, bad comments ecc the OP thinks SO just full of s**t bags and we need to clean up the mess.
 
One needs to re-read the Shog response to increased close votes per day. Answer, no. One needs to read what Madara said (in like 10 words) that stated mgt seems more concerned about keeping new users happy (profit) than about question quality.
 
To me, the solution is not more close votes. More people would do of course but what we need is more power. Let gold badge holder votes count 3, let silver badge holders count 2.
 
So we need a good sense of humor close crew that closes a lot but also leaves the noobs happy somewhat with a stock blurb
 
This is why I think you should hit them on new users... they are not happy now... neither are old.
 
5:33 PM
@Tunaki I agree
 
Madara agrees also.
 
I also agree as said, but doubt SO ready to let stuff get closed that fast... In java there are always 2 gold badges looking... not much would pass...
 
@PetterFriberg duplicates pass. Gold badge holders are answering instead of closing
 
What happens when those golds run out of 50
 
However traning OP on posting (like you need to pass a tutorial with lot of ads), maybe they can agree.
 
5:35 PM
And I have a lot of examples but no need to point fingers.
 
Holding cells. you will never train the lazy
 
Honestly i think people should get rep penaltys for answering questions that turn out to become dupes
like 2% of current total reputation or something
I know this would hit me too
 
M we have 1m questions in some tags. Everything is a dupe
 
@Tunaki REP REP REP, How much REP can I get...
 
I can only manage Java in the week-end. The traffic is much less.
 
5:37 PM
@Magisch Maybe rep to people who find duplicates would be better
 
@PetterFriberg shog stated multiple times rep for moderation actions is never gonna happen
 
Those things will never happen. Those ideas are way out there
 
@MohammedAoufZOUAG Don't waste CV on obvious duplicates, I'm always lurking :)
 
Oh I totally forgot about it
 
I in the beginning gave up on high traffic like java.. just to much for me ... and sneaked into a manageable corner. (unfortunately Drew is dragging me in again : ))
 
5:39 PM
Yeah I had to put that at the top of the spreadsheet Tuna
 
that stupid script didn't work for me, so I can't signal dupes on the fly @Tunaki
 
well PF yours is like cimm's SASS. It is a niche. But the fun and action is in the volume isn't it ?
 
Is it okey if I just post their bare links in here ? (question + dupe)
 
I could give you a spreadsheet of 500 java questions that have no competition and FGITW if you want that. No answers on them. In fact I could give you 50k of them. High rep ownerid and filtered
 
The fun hmm, but I had a feeling java, javscript c# no one can manage this that just a rep hunt territory (because there is nothing more easy to get rep answering a simple java question FGITW, when people is still looking at the post... voting for answers that are worse then yours...) so lets just leave it there.... The bull ring... and keep clean some nice niche tags..
 
5:44 PM
@MohammedAoufZOUAG I for one have zero problem with that. Just put an @ tuna or Jarrod in front of it or both
 
@MohammedAoufZOUAG You should consider to comment on question (like see this: ) then just push the cv-pls DUP JAVA and the question), indicate java an Tunaki will get it if he agrees.
 
roger that
 
@MohammedAoufZOUAG the script is beautiful you need to get it working...
 
Petter you need to remember that if we move between Python c# and java that those questions are never single tagged. We pick up Hibernate asp.net yada yada they all benefit. And I suggest we never do PHP or JS cuz well for different reasons.
 
@PetterFriberg I know :(
 
5:48 PM
lets burniate the that solves it
 
@PetterFriberg All of my coworkers are of the firm belief that java is bad and anybody who uses it is a noob
:D
 
@MohammedAoufZOUAG You are sure its not working... it really only show cv-pls link next to flag
 
get the tampermonkey greasemonkey thingie
 
@Magisch To tell the truth I love java (just hate all the questions) and yes I done stuff in c,c++ and in the end they tried to copy java c#)....
 
@Magisch All of [closed group of developers] think that [technology] is bad and everyone who uses it is a [noob/joke of a developer/psychopath] to reinforce team feelings and because they haven't yet understood that their whole job is about change and trying out various versions of various technologies
Except if it's about PHP.
 
5:52 PM
how did they copy it if they pre-dated it
 
@Kyll Its probably because they are near retirement and grew up back when VB6 was the hottest shit
 
php is programming language?... taught that was scripting...
 
@Kyll Bingo. PHP explicitly sucks
 
^ Case in point. Too bad @DavidG isn't here right now!
 
PhP is programming in the same way that SQL is
that is not really
 
5:53 PM
PHP is a very powerful programming language. Oh, and it runs incredibly slow. Almost as slow as python.
 
& that's why folks, Node.js > PHP
 
^ I approve of this
 
Javascript has eval though
so thats a cardinal sin
 
forgivable though, comparing with other sins out there
 
show me a language without a cardinal sin
 
5:55 PM
Most dynamic languages have eval in case something you end up being limited by the syntax of the language
 
does c have one?
 
But it's mostly used by noobs who don't know that the language does support the very feature they're trying to bruteforce with eval
 
let's first define cardinal sin
 
I guess you can emulate eval in C by having a string written into a newly made .c file and then using system() calls to compile and execute it
but thats a stretch
 
Like good ol' var propName = 'foo'; var prop = eval('obj.' + propName);
 
5:57 PM
hum, I don't if this even applies a bit, but I think that reflection is also a hack
 
@SmokeDetector flag as VLQ or rude/abusive
 
From a 1-rep unregistered user, that fits
 

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