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3:09 AM
Hmm...how to escape a `\` in comments?
Also in chat...
However, two \ doesn't work. It'll still broken the format.
 
in what kind of comments?
 
@cimmanon comments below posts.
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan I've been spending too much time here ;)
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant meh code that has been through multiple hands, always the worst
 
@MsYvette That's fine, but don't get yourself tired ;)
 
user4639281
3:20 AM
@MsYvette No, is always the worst in general.
 
user3956566
@Closey next 5 tags
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@MsYvette The next 5 tags are: 89, 65, 56, 47, 43
 
@TinyGiant That guy again.
 
@MsYvette I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
MsYvette passed a audit!
 
user4639281
@KevinGuan hm.
 
3:25 AM
@Pham What? Why don't work for me?
@TinyGiant Well, all deleted.
Nope...
 
user4639281
@Sam you just missed it, three spam posts from the same lazy spammer.
 
I figured I was competing in a FGITW competition, but it looks like everyone else dropped out. stackoverflow.com/a/34326035/1677912
 
Sam
Aww
 
The Q got 3 upvotes really quickly, so I figured the JS crew was on it.
 
Sam
I was busy setting up a friend's server. :|
 
3:29 AM
That's like helping a friend move.
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad Everyone else is like.... jaw-drop
 
user3956566
I wish there was an android crew, there are hardly any decent upvoting
 
@Kevin Guan : you're right about what I sad. I'm not a native English speaker. But thank you. I just got my answer. The work directory of python had changed, but I didn't recognize it. — real_actor 7 mins ago
you're right about what I sad. <---
 
Same on Google-Apps-Script - when there's no JavaScript in the question, it's rare to see a vote.
 
Sam
@TinyGiant ikr
 
user4639281
3:30 AM
@MsYvette really, from what I hear and see upvotes get thrown out like candy round them parts.
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant not without bounties
 
user3956566
There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[asp.net]"
 
@Pham audit stats
 
@KevinGuan Stats of all tracked audits by tag:
 | Tag Name  | %     | Count |
 |---------------------------|
 | c++       | 25.00 | 2     |
 | php       | 25.00 | 2     |
 | android   | 12.50 | 1     |
 | java      | 12.50 | 1     |
 | html      | 12.50 | 1     |
 | [tag:php] | 12.50 | 1     |
 
@Sam [tag:php] again.
 
user3956566
3:31 AM
I'm not sure what to close this under stackoverflow.com/questions/29691281/…
 
Maybe your bots don't like php :P
 
Sam
@Mogsdad Yeah, and from a phone (yes, there are even ssh clients for android).
 
user3956566
it's like it has nothing to do with programming.
 
@Sam Your friend owes you big.
 
> But as a well-known reason in my country, the API doc site is blocked.
He's in China.
:P
 
Sam
3:32 AM
@KevinGuan well it's not like it's going to vanish.
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan yeh but is it suitable for this site?
 
@MsYvette Done :)
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan Thanks K
 
The funny part is, when I was reviewing, I saw a question and choose Leave Open. But then I realized that it also isn't a programming question...so I voted to close it :P
 
@KevinGuan Relevant meta link: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/253777/1677912
 
user4639281
3:36 AM
@KevinGuan You put it in there wrong, unless someone goes into the database, that isn't going to change.
 
Sam
@Mogsdad Well, I'm sure I'll think of something.
 
user4639281
@Sam Lot's of beer and pizza.
 
s/'//
 
Sam
Definitely.
 
@Mogsdad Hmm...
 
3:38 AM
@KevinGuan The "blocked" aspect is different, but it's basically a request for documentation, isn't it?
 
Sam
@TinyGiant Which is unlikely to ever happen.
 
@TinyGiant Yeah I know that, but however this time isn't my fault, Pham always do them automatically.
@Mogsdad Hold on, reading it.
 
Sam
Seeing as it's just the test db.
@KevinGuan He still listens out for manually reported audits.
Just in case he misses something.
 
sigh
 
user4639281
^^^ Meta
 
user4639281
3:40 AM
@KevinGuan No that was you
 
!!/blame
 
@KevinGuan It's Sam's fault.
 
@TinyGiant Not me.
 
user4639281
1 hour ago, by Tiny Giant
yesterday, by Kevin Guan
passed audit
 
@Mogsdad Well, Is there a way to download all the api docs once and for all, and let Android Studio use those offline documents? <--- Should go Super User.
 
user4639281
3:41 AM
That was posted by you, closey doesn't listen to pham
 
user3956566
Now this has votes to go on Superuser and really does not belong on super user stackoverflow.com/questions/34318935/… it lacks detail
 
@TinyGiant Okay okay my fault, happy now? :P
 
user4639281
@KevinGuan Definitely.
 
@MsYvette Migrations are a big mess; I wouldn't mind seeing them shut down.
 
@TinyGiant ...so?
 
user4639281
3:43 AM
@KevinGuan closed as general computing.
 
user3956566
@Mogsdad well it's obvious people who do not know enough about the tag or the other site are voting
 
user4639281
You need 5 migration votes to migrate.
 
@MsYvette Looks these answers are all VLQ.
@TinyGiant Fine :P
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan it can't be answered without more detail
 
@MsYvette Then maybe close it as Unclear?
 
3:44 AM
I don't see how Android Studio is "general software" - it's specifically for programming, isn't it?
 
Nah, closed.
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad Agree, it may not have enough information to answer, but it isn't off-topic.
 
@Mogsdad 1. software tools commonly used by programmers; and is a practical, answerable problem that is unique to software development.
@Mogsdad 2. Questions about general computing hardware and software are off-topic for Stack Overflow unless they directly involve tools used primarily for programming.
 
Ya. Like that.
 
From our help center: stackoverflow.com/help/on-topic
4
Q: Are SO questions about general-purpose tools off-topic?

KelvinI saw a question about tmux on SO. It didn't have a direct relevance to programming so I decided to flag it for migration to superuser. Then I decided to search for "tmux" on SO. I found at least 100 of them. One was migrated to the unix site. A lot of them don't seem to be programming-related. ...

However, I think these are off-topic in the past.
 
3:51 AM
No, just continuously contentious.
If you don't have the tool installed yet, you're not using the tool - you're using the OS. And THAT is general SW. (Goes one argument.)
 
@MsYvette What's your opinion?
@Mogsdad So only a question about the OS should go Super User?
However, at least, question about code isn't off-topic.
 
@KevinGuan I'm only presenting points for discussion in this case. I didn't vote on the question. But if I had, I would have had trouble with that off-topic reason.
 
@Mogsdad Is How do I config a software on-topic ?
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad agree
 
user4639281
Questions about installing a tool are off-topic.
 
3:56 AM
My personal POV: if the tool they're struggling with is a programming tool (Android Studio in this case) I don't feel it's automatically off-topic. If it was a graphics editing tool, say, I'd consider it off-topic, even if their intent was to create sprites for a video game.
 
user4639281
Questions about using a programming tool for purposes directly related to programming are on-topic.
 
When I finish my cocoa, I'll probably have a different opinion. And a desperate craving for something salty.
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad Except that you can write scripts for some graphic design programs.
 
@TinyGiant How do I config my editor, let it be more pretty. <-- on topic or not?
 
user4639281
@KevinGuan Configuration questions are generally off-topic.
 
3:59 AM
@TinyGiant Fine, then ask a scripting question. But installing or configuring? No.
@TinyGiant Contentious, that.
 
@TinyGiant How do I enable foo in bar <-- on topic or not?
 
user4639281
@KevinGuan If it has to do with configuration, off-topic.
 
@TinyGiant Which Editor? EMACS, vi, DevStudio? On topic.
sd why?
 
[:27592418] Body - Position 507-519: male enhance
Body - Position 842-851: xinyanlaw
 
Wait me, I'm searching something.
 
user4639281
4:00 AM
@Mogsdad more pretty === subjective
 
Sam
Waffles!
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan I think we're talking about two different questions
 
@TinyGiant Nah, that's just an example. Forget the POB part.
 
@TinyGiant Sure, segue into another topic... I was still following the "editor" part.
 
@MsYvette Hmm...our discussion is off-topic :P
 
4:02 AM
Besides, everyone knows that indenting 2 spaces, K&R structure, no tabs and Unix line endings are perfect, and everything else is CRAP!
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad I also realized why I missed a bunch of the oldest cv requests in the transcript, there were 68k more messages than I thought there were.
 
@TinyGiant Ouch. Stack Overflow indeed!
 
Sam
@TinyGiant :o
 
@TinyGiant 68k??
 
user4639281
I was only scanning 100,000 transcript messages, there are 168,000 messages in the transcript.
 
user4639281
4:04 AM
And I just opened the close dialog and screwed up the check for the last 200.
 
user4639281
Ahh well, I just scanned 1700 cv-pls requests
 
Sam
And how many were closed?
 
user4639281
42 left to scan
 
Sam
@MsYvette Have you finished reviewing?
K
 
user3956566
@Sam nope
 
Sam
4:08 AM
Ok
 
user3956566
am I upsetting Pham?
 
Sam
Nah, just wondering
 
user3956566
I can finish and start again later. I prefer to go over a long period, except for events
 
Sam
Ok, well I'll update Pham now then.
 
user4639281
1
 
user3956566
4:10 AM
@Sam ok
 
user4639281
 
user4639281
 
user4639281
169 closed
 
Sam
K
@Pham stop bot
 
@Sam I'm shutting down...
Goodbye!
Hey everyone! (SOCVR chatbot started, linux v2 test!)
 
4:12 AM
i dont even understand why this user would post an answer to this bounty question after the OP already posted the same solution. even stranger, the OP awarded the bounty to this person: stackoverflow.com/a/34326256/1652962
 
Sam
Wth
 
its not one of those autoawarded bounties, either. there was still 6 days left on it when i checked on it earlier
 
user3956566
@cimmanon that is odd :/
 
user4639281
> This just smells bad, could someone please investigate?
 
user4639281
^^ Flagged (I don't mind if I get a declined flag.)
 
Sam
4:14 AM
Wait, why does that user look familiar?
 
which one? the answerer?
 
Sam
Yeah, FoxyStyle.
 
user3956566
@cimmanon maybe both?
 
Sam
I've seen him before, I think someone must've linked to another one of his posts in the past.
 
user3956566
might be same user, they both like to self answer.
 
4:19 AM
Good night, team!
Especially you, @Pham
 
user3956566
@Mogsdad night!
 
Sam
Night
 
we need Trump to run SO. No new accounts for a week. To start
 
@Mogsdad Night
!!/team
 
@KevinGuan brews a cup of chamomile tea for @KevinGuan
 
Sam
4:22 AM
I should probably get to bed too.
Night guys
 
Night too
 
user4639281
Night
 
user4639281
@Drew That's such a bad joke, it's not funny then funny again.
 
@SmokeDetector I know, it's a team tea.
 
user3956566
I don't understand why this question has so many upvotes so quickly? stackoverflow.com/questions/34326564/… can anyone explain?
 
user4639281
4:26 AM
@MsYvette Seems like a pretty straight-forward question.
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant and the answer is upvoted, I'm seriously in the wrong tags on here for rep: effort ratio
 
user4639281
@MsYvette Though you would get much better performance using Node.js
 
13 view 8 upvotes
 
user4639281
It somewhat smells like a voting ring.
 
user3956566
@Drew the c++ get high votes.. man, I'm in the wrong tags
 
4:29 AM
be glad you aren't a c++ programmer
 
user3956566
well it's insane, really how good it a one line Q and 2 line A
 
user4639281
@MsYvette The answer sucks, but the question is straight-forward enough.
 
user3956566
@Drew I like c++ it's a beautiful language
 
user4639281
It isn't a debugging question so it doesn't need an MCVE.
 
yea me too
 
user4639281
4:29 AM
It isn't really overly broad.
 
user4639281
It doesn't require any other noise.
 
user4639281
I really want to suggest Node.js, but that is pretty off-topic for the question.
 
@Drew User is not blacklisted. (5689378 on stackoverflow.com).
 
user4639281
@KevinGuan Yeah, I have to fix that last part... But the first part we decided that it was too difficult to try and find code in text, so you should fix any non-code text before running the editor, or check the diff and revert changes as necessary.
 
@TinyGiant Yeah, post the first part for you reproduce the problem. However, what's wrong with the last part?
 
4:50 AM
@Drew User blacklisted (5689378 on stackoverflow.com).
 
@Drew Why?
 
user4639281
@KevinGuan Just timing of function calls.
 
3 spams in my mind charurl dot com last 30 min or so
trying to find info on site <----- I am
 
@TinyGiant Ah, fine. Don't understand it :P
@Drew Hmm...I'm checking, but who upvoted one of them? However maybe we should report them or a mod flag in this case.
 
just came in
idk madara hasn't upgraded my privileges yet
 
user4639281
4:55 AM
@KevinGuan What was the post you tested that on?
 
@TinyGiant Well, I said the link on gist Github
 
@Drew User is blacklisted. (5425344 on stackoverflow.com).
 
user4639281
@KevinGuan Sorry, missed it. Just found it.
 
@MsYvette No need since it's manually reported (by me).
 
user3956566
4:58 AM
ok
 
@TinyGiant :P
@Drew So, reported one of them. Let me check the others.
Done
How did this comment get 50 rep? stackoverflow.com/a/34326256/5299236
 
user4639281
@KevinGuan Discussed above, I flagged for investigation.
 
Oh, that's fine.
 
@Drew User is not blacklisted. (4306948 on stackoverflow.com).
 
5:06 AM
@Drew Oh, that answer's author.
 
user4639281
@Kevin, hahahaha, it wasn't a problem with my logic at all, it is a problem with the words used.
 
@KevinGuan you scolded him this was his rev 1: stackoverflow.com/revisions/34256986/1
 
user4639281
"might ... help" removes the surrounding sentence.
 
@KevinGuan he sneaked it in here too: stackoverflow.com/questions/32162848
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad cc stackoverflow.com/posts/34326658/edit/… (Magic Editor)
 
5:09 AM
@TinyGiant Oh, understand that :D
@Drew Let me check.
 
I keep a "This is a spam guy" folder and check it
 
@Drew Maybe...he's the (one of the) author(s) of that website, and in the question he has a question about his website, and in that answer he think his website might help the OP?
 
We talked about it with this guy here, check the revisions: stackoverflow.com/revisions/34256986/1
 
@Drew If you think it's spam, flag and report it to Smokey...
 
I flagged it under the answer, is it a url report ?
yeah i will do it
 
user4639281
5:14 AM
@Drew That isn't very clear spam, just seems off-topic.
 
@Closey starting
 
@approxiblue Don't get lost in the queue!
 
@Drew But however, I don't think so. Since he do has some good posts: stackoverflow.com/questions/33255222/…
 
passed c++ audit
 
user4639281
I don't see how it is spam really.
 
5:16 AM
I have some good posts too. So I can go selling my wares here ?
 
user4639281
@Drew That just means that it is highly unlikely that the user will be a spammer.
 
it is backdoor spam
 
@TinyGiant Actually we talked about it before: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/27510642#27510642
 
user4639281
@KevinGuan I must have missed that when it was happening. The question in question isn't the same thing though. I can see how it kind of looks like spam, but it isn't clearly spam. The link could be edited out and it would still be a question, albeit off-topic.
 
user4639281
Voted to close as professional networking related.
 
5:20 AM
The guy wants clicks. He could have said example.com He didn't for a reason and we all know it. It is spam
 
@Drew User is blacklisted. (4306948 on stackoverflow.com).
 
nothing evil about blacklisted user. It merely alerts us to it
 
user4639281
Well, that's fine, but I can't flag it.
 
understood
 
back
@Drew I mean however he's not a spam bot. He was trying to help, and get help here.
 
5:24 AM
passed swift audit
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[forms]"
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan if the aim of a person is to promote their own goods, it's spam.
 
@TinyGiant I'd say so
 
@KevinGuan I don't doubt that. I can dig up the meta article I read earlier about guidelines for expressing your affiliation to spam-ish stuff. The guy didn't
 
@MsYvette Hmm...I know. However I think he doesn't.
 
user4639281
@Drew He did say it was his site.
 
user3956566
5:25 AM
@KevinGuan it's irrelevant what the OP thinks
 
Thanks for the advice, Kevin! I do work for this company, but thought that my answer will be helpful. Don't want to spam or break any rules. — Sergey Kandaurov yesterday
@TinyGiant Oh yeah, missed this part. He said that I do work for this company.
 
user4639281
He did, in that question, disclose his affiliation, although he did not in his previous answer,
 
He intentionally said what he said in stackoverflow.com/q/32162848/1816093
he could have said example.com
but he wants you to go to his site. Backdoor
 
user4639281
He is also allowed to link to the site in question.
 
@Drew So that's what I thought, he's trying to help, but in incorrect way. He don't know what's spam on SO.
 
5:28 AM
Why would a guy need to say that in stackoverflow.com/q/32162848/1816093
He doesn't even care if the question is answered !
 
user4639281
SO is down for me.
 
user3956566
The OP is not trying to help at all, the OP is disguising advertising their own site as helpfulness and is smart enough to realise any harsh remarks will reflect badly in the business
 
user4639281
 
user3956566
If a person is linking their business to multiple posts, it's gratuitous and against the ToS. It's allowed in user profile, but not in posts. I cannot be bothered looking for the meta link, as we had this discussion the other day
 
@TinyGiant Huh, still working for me.
 
5:29 AM
that is cuz you are on the wrong side of the issue TG :P
j/k bro
 
@MsYvette Well...
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant :(
 
user4639281
It'll come back
 
user4639281
There we go
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[google-apps-script] [google-docs]"
 
user4639281
5:31 AM
@drew edited by ed
 
good, Ed cleaned it up, moving on
 
@MsYvette BTW, were you here when we first talk about that OP's answer? chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/27510642#27510642
@TinyGiant Ah, that's fine. However it could be improved by editing. I don't think that post should be deleted or that user should be banned.
 
user4639281
@KevinGuan I agree
 
@TinyGiant Then we could move him out of the blacklist, agreed?
 
user4639281
I'm willing to wait until his next post is reported to judge.
 
user3956566
5:35 AM
@KevinGuan no
 
@Drew User is blacklisted. (4306948 on stackoverflow.com).
 
just checking what status Ed left it at
tempest in a teapot
 
user3956566
I flagged the user, so maybe a mod did it i.stack.imgur.com/77Lzg.png
 
@MsYvette Fine. However I still think that he just don't know what's spam...BTW I commented. But a mod flag maybe is good, mods will check and talk about that. We really need move on, what's your going? :)
 
user3956566
5:38 AM
@KevinGuan we saw this in the link.. K..
 
user3956566
@Drew I showed you the flag, as to explain why maybe the user is now blacklisted?
 
I manually black listed him up the screen
 
@MsYvette Oh, okay.
 
user3956566
@Drew oh sorry missed it.
 
@MsYvette we need to teach Kevin some of these English phrases he can use in china: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_in_a_teapot
 
user3956566
5:40 AM
@KevinGuan this is in the help center stackoverflow.com/help/behavior you don't need to worry so much about saving people from themselves focus more on the programming side of things.
 
user3956566
@Drew yes.. :D
 
@MsYvette Well...that...sorry about it...
If you think that...you know...I could delete my comment.
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[spring-mvc]"
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan relax, it's cool, I'm trying to give you some guidance.. people get tired.. trust me, as you get older you get more tired. So try and see your enthusiasm and energy is hard to keep up with in the room. People don't want to analyse everything. ps enjoy the energy ;)
 
passed hibernate audit
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 18 hours to continue reviewing.
 
5:48 AM
@approxiblue Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
@approxiblue Your last completed review session ended 11 seconds ago and lasted 33 minutes and 12 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 49 seconds.
 
user4639281
6:16 AM
And I'm off to bed for the night.
 
user4639281
Have a good time everyone. :)
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant night TG
 
user4842163
6:38 AM
Hate how there are already two fast shooters for that one -- being both extremely basic and duplicate.
 
user3956566
@Ike yes they did that in the time it took me to edit it.
 
user4842163
Sometimes I wonder if like even a 30+ minute-long exposure/answer time block could mitigate that.
 
user4842163
Might, at the very least, bring out more detailed and elaborate answers.
 
user3956566
@Ike I totally agree, but people tend to scream on meta.. but then people will have to wait for their answer! and then the same people scream we're a volunteer service we don't have to answer these questions!
 
user4842163
@MsYvette Argh yeah, if this is settled by majority vote, those FGITW types along with the "I need help as soon as possible!" types probably win.
 
user3956566
6:43 AM
@Ike exactly ;) and they get the votes
 
user4842163
Boo! I must admit I used to be an FGITW when I started out -- didn't know the negative repercussions -- just saw something like, "Oh, this is easy, the guy just had a syntax error here -- he forgot to put struct"
 
user4842163
though I wasn't trying to be the first one to answer -- it's just that I was answering such basic questions that it only took a few mins
 
user4842163
now I'm trying to evolve more to be an SGITW, and looking for questions that give me an excuse to work on them a lot
 
user3956566
@Ike I would race sometimes, because I knew others were racing and it made me feel bad. Now I refuse. The question needs to be sitting there for a while unanswered, or have bad answers.
 
user4842163
same -- hope more people start evolving that way... refusing to participate in questions that can be answered in 2 mins -- at least outside of comments
 
user3956566
6:47 AM
@Ike you changed your picture?
 
user4842163
I found one question which gave me an excuse to work on it for weeks.. my proudest answer (though it's kind of basic, but I took the time to read the paper, write some code, profile it, check out other people's solutions, go deeper into the history, etc).
 
user4842163
3 weeks (off and on) to write that answer.
 
user4842163
Ah yeah, since we were doing personality review for me yesterday, I thought it's better if I have a personal picture... might also explain why I want big muscles and stuff
 
user4842163
and why I tend to get mistaken for a teenager even though I'm 34 years old
 
user3956566
6:48 AM
@Ike nice, I am same, I enjoy researching too
 
user3956566
@Ike ok are you coming to clean my house?
 
user4842163
@MsYvette No :-P
 
user3956566
@Ike 10/10
 
user4842163
@MsYvette I can say that in this kind of superficial setting... it's another thing in a company setting against a client who applies a whole lot of pressure
 
user3956566
and be grateful you look young..
 
user3956566
6:50 AM
oh yes and takes practice..
 
user4842163
Though I also realized kind of late how company dynamics work... if you start off developing a rep for being timid and people can push you around a bit. I have a co-worker who developed a rep for being uncooperative -- he'd come to our meetings and managers would ask him, "Q: What did you work on this week?" "A: Stuff."
 
user3956566
when asked the other day, when will you have this work complete, I said.. when we agreed it would be finished :D Bit like saying water is wet
 
user4842163
... followed by minutes of silence... then a follow-up, "Q: .... uhh, so, can you provide a little detail?" "A: I worked on some shaders." [long silence] "Manager: uhhh.... okay, let's move on!"
 
user3956566
haha
 
user4842163
But he actually got a lot of respect and trust as a result of his character -- some notoriety for being uncooperative, but people didn't push his buttons and force him to explain every little thing he did.
 
user3956566
6:54 AM
@Ike exactly, someone once said to me, so you're ok for me to send you those files? and I said: No, not at all. Trust me it pays to be assertive
 
user4842163
@MsYvette Yeah, I think people respect that, "I got this" kind of answer. I have always been an incessant explainer of things obsessed over the big impacts of subtle decisions -- so I tend to share all of thoughts there.
 
user4842163
@MsYvette And that can have a negative quality of people dissecting everything you say, questioning every decision you make.
 
user3956566
@Ike I am too old, tired and have too many responsibilities to waste my time. Also I generally don't care if people like me or not, this is a gift that comes with age. When you are ok with being yourself and not for pleasing others, it works much better.. I don't mean do not care about others, I mean do not care about others opinions of you
 
user4842163
@MsYvette Especially given that so many design decisions have both pros and cons.. clients like the illusion that cons don't exist.
 
user4842163
@MsYvette I might have also just worked in some strange settings -- the most trusted developers were either very quiet and confident like my co-worker there who barely gave anything away about what he was working on... or the best "marketers" -- the ones who would gloss over the negative repercussions of a technical decision.
 
user3956566
6:58 AM
@Ike that's a different thing. stating the facts of a job. It can be done in a no nonsense way. Also we are born with different personalities and things come more naturally to some than others. But I do know this, it gets easier with practice and that is the best piece of advice you will hear today
 
user4842163
cheers
 
user3956566
@Ike in business you will meet all types and it is best to not really trust anyone too much. Take things at face value.
 

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