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10:01 AM
@MsYvette I added a link to where bluefeet says what the meaning of a VLQ is
 
user3956566
@TimCastelijns on way
 
user3956566
ok I will resist posting follow up question, how can we keep code only answers out of the lowQ Q
 
We can't, don't bother
 
Maybe we can...
 
user3956566
@TimCastelijns sorry I unaccepted your answer...
 
user3956566
10:06 AM
the other guy used symbols
 
@TimCastelijns What about check the post when an user flagging it, if 70% are code, then show a notify and tell user: Don't flag code-only answers as VLQ etc, etc.
 
That's ok, his answer is more detailed
@KevinGuan if a post is 70% code, that means it's not code only ;)
 
@TimCastelijns Huh, sometimes I always like add a This should works when I'm posting code-only answers ;)
 
If, then, a wall of code of 200 lines follows, your answer is 99.5% code only
 
I personaly dislike very much answers that begin with "Try this:" or "This should work" because I feel it means the answerer hasn't tested that it indeed worked and solved the problem.
 
10:10 AM
However if you have 200 lines of code along with 60 lines of good explanation, it is still 70% code but might be a great answer
 
@Tunaki No, because I don't sure everything. It means that If I didn't test my code, why I posted it? However, there's always some other things. For example OP's system's fault.
 
user3956566
@cybermonkey I put min ver ...
 
user3956566
@Tunaki totally agree, it's good to give an explanation, that will teach the readers
 
@TimCastelijns No problem...I never wrote an answer with 200 lines code...Oops, forgot about HTML and PHP questions.
 
@Tunaki In that case you will dislike all of my answers because I tested none of them before posting :p
 
10:13 AM
and C, C++, etc.
 
user3956566
@TimCastelijns that's the true reason I accepted it the symbols was a ruse :D
 
user3956566
what's a quick way to take it out of caps lock
 
There's an editing user script around
 
why does anyone feel the need to keep code-only out of the queues or LQQ ?
 
@Tunaki Doesn't work.
 
10:16 AM
@KevinGuan Oh? I never tested it. You can ask Tiny when he arrives
 
@Tunaki The editor can only change the title if it's All-caps.
But doesn't change the body.
 
Okay
 
@MsYvette Good edit.
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan thanks love
 
user3956566
@Drew because if they're not supposed to be deleted it's actually a waste of time.
 
user3956566
10:18 AM
and how often are they edited and improved?
 
@MsYvette ♥♥♥ Hug ♥♥♥
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@Tim Any ideas about this question? I want to vote to reopen it, but I don't know how to clarify OP's problem...you know my English isn't enough to explain that in this case: stackoverflow.com/questions/34330527
 
who says they can't be edited or deleted?
 
user3956566
@Tunaki Kevin is my adopted SO son. :)
 
@KevinGuan no effort shown, leave closed
 
user3956566
10:19 AM
@Drew on meta, the answer to my first question
 
@TimCastelijns You should check mine and mhawke's answer before say that
 
they can be unsalvagable and therefore deleted. they can be edited
 
@KevinGuan are you kidding me? OP says "I need this, give me the code"
 
let's say i have code-only. So it is a block. Let's say it is in Visual Basic and the question is asking for Logo. It can be deleted
 
@TimCastelijns That isn't a close reason. Can you find it? :P
 
10:21 AM
It's either unclear because he doesn't say what he has trouble with, or too broad because there are 100000 ways to do it
 
@TimCastelijns agree, question should remain closed. Too Broad
 
And I'll bet you there is a dupe somewhere already
 
@TimCastelijns Disagree. But if you could find the dupe, then that's fine.
 
Sorry @MsYvette I edited at the same time as you ;)
 
@KevinGuan I've explained why it should be closed, why do you think it should not be closed?
 
user3956566
10:23 AM
@Tunaki yours was better!
 

Which type of questions should be closed as too broad

Dec 6 at 7:38, 24 minutes total – 40 messages, 4 users, 1 star

Bookmarked Dec 8 at 8:23 by Kevin Guan

 
user3956566
oh @KevinGuan this is not so good, you voted to close it AND answered it stackoverflow.com/questions/34330527/…
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan the eagle has landed
 
@MsYvette How can you have this hat if "ask, answer, or vote on December 18th"
Are you from the future?
 
@MsYvette Yeah I know, I voted to close it before I answered it. However when I understood the question and answered it, I was busy on editing and forgot that close vote...
 
user4842163
10:25 AM
hehe that's funny (answer then vote to close or vice versa) :-D
 
user3956566
@Tunaki yes Tunaki, indeed I AM from the future. I'm in Australia it's 21.26 on 17/12 right now
 
@MsYvette :P
 
nothing unusual about that @KevinGuan we all do it
 
@MsYvette Bu... but... the hat is supposed to be awarded for voting on 18/12
 
@Drew Fine :P
 
user3956566
10:27 AM
@Tunaki I know, it means I'm super.. and I feel like Darth Vader... Luke I am your father
 
Did you really need to use your time-machine for that?
:)
 
I also just got that hat :p
 
@Tunaki I did that:
Nov 30 at 13:08, by Kyll
@KevinGuan Planning to time travel? It's tonight
 
@KevinGuan I don't agree with tiny's statement "As long as enough information is provided to solve the problem, and it doesn't take a book to solve it, you can't just close it because you don't like it or you don't think the OP put enough effort in." though
 
10:30 AM
Not sure but commented
 
Well I'm flagging as rude and voted to delete
 
@TimCastelijns what about that statement from tiny is disturbing?
 
@Tunaki Oops, let me roll back...
I'd say it's link-only. Since it's easy to be fixed.
 
@Drew it's not disturbing, but kevin used it as an argument to reopen stackoverflow.com/questions/34330527/…, and I think it should stay closed
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan leave it
 
10:32 AM
@TimCastelijns I think that question needs a little more explanation shall we say and is unclear to the casual observer
 
@MsYvette Is this also spam? stackoverflow.com/a/34332061/5299236
 
@KevinGuan yes yes I reported it
 
In fact one almost destroys their eyes figuring out what is meant
 
user4842163
The way I look at things is like, "Could this get a nice answer?" I like the ones that seem to say, "yes". And my idea of "nice" here includes all kinds, answers with expertise/experience, answers with precise technical accuracy, answers that seem the most helpful to the author of the Q, answers that just took a lot of time extracting and summarizing information. When we close a non-duplicate question with nice (not hasty/sloppy) answers, I feel sad a bit.
 
FLAG, FLAG AS SPAM, GET RID OF ALL THE SPAM
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10:33 AM
@KevinGuan yes, it links the authors business and is not declared within the post
 
Flagged
 
user3956566
@Drew which one?
 
the evil python one
the sort me one
 
@Drew I'm just not really a big fan of questions that say "I need X, give me the code", even if it can be answered in 5 lines. In this case there are also many possible ways to do it
 
user3956566
ah, I voted to reopen it, I made a comment as to why
 
10:34 AM
@MsYvette No need rollback? I can see there's another decline flag in Tunaki's flags history.
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan you've edited it once, now let it rest.. :D
 
Tim how does there are multiple ways to do it have any impact in the least
 
user3956566
hi @Kitler
 
o/
 
user3956566
\o
 
10:35 AM
don't confuse that with Too Broad
 
@MsYvette Okay :D
 
user3956566
we have a cat in the room, moment of reverence please I am a cat lover
 
@TimCastelijns But why?
 
user3956566
the question got so many good quality answers, I figure it can't really be that bad.
 
Hey
 
10:36 AM
so Tim from what you said, you just don't like the question, ya gotta admit that
 
@MsYvette WE ALL LOVE CATS, THEY'RE SO CUTE! ♥♥♥
 
I think the question is Unclear
 
@Drew does that not qualify it as "too broad?
 
no
to me
 
user3956566
@Drew personally it did my head in, but these python lovers, jumped on it.. so I reckon it's ok
 
10:37 AM
Too broad (to me) is I want to write an OS
 
@KevinGuan even nazi cats that want to destroy the world?
 
sure, there are many ways to do it. But it can't be narrowly answered
Kevin narrowly answered it
 
user3956566
@Kitler def, you should see the way my cats look at me sometimes, I'm sure they'd eat me if I died in the house alone :D
 
Someone else could answer it quite differently and would
 
user4842163
I see it the same way as Drew. I think also not merely from the standpoint of what the close text means -- just in terms of being healthy for the site. If we have solutions with multiple (even endless) possible answers, I think that's actually not bad because it means good answers can rise up... ex -- someone could take that sorting question all the way to covering various ways to do it and provide benchmarks for each.
 
10:39 AM
hhahahaha yeah odds of that happening are pretty high :P
 
user3956566
maybe when my kids leave home, definitely ;)
 
@Kitler nooooooooo don't do anything! We can teach him how to become a good cat :P
 
I have to force my love onto my cat :P
 
user4842163
If we put a choke-hold on broad to close every answer that can have many solutions, we might force the answers to just become very redundant with each other.
 
user3956566
oh my daughter does that! and the poor cat growls
 
10:40 AM
@Ike yes true. I feel that some of the flag/close reason texts need some tailoring, because they sometimes don't represent reality
 
Wow, got 2 hats in once. Great.
 
@Ike and many answers to that Python question could be a good thing and not POB. But POB would be is Mongo better than Mysql for Banking and that would get a lot of answers and would be unhealthy for the site
 
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@Drew Yeah.. though I also think a little teeny wincy bit of leeway for opinion-based is okay, but that's already covered in the text.
 
back to lurking!
 
@Drew I see your point, and also I should not have said that I'm not a big fan of such questions because I dug my own grave :P
 
10:41 AM
Wait, how did I get A New Hope hat? It's ask, answer, or vote on December 18th, but today is December 17th.
 
Tim I think none of us are big fans of those questions
 
@KevinGuan Yea, I think it's a bug :p
 
@KevinGuan calendars are zero-indexed, december 17th means it's actually december 18th
 
user3956566
@Kitler nice to see you!
 
user3956566
I've withdrawn my idea to reopen it after seeing this and more comment under the question
 
user4842163
10:43 AM
@Drew I actually am a fan! :-D
 
@TimCastelijns 17 == 18, so weird.
 
the "write my code for me" ones, @Ike ?
 
user4842163
@Drew "How do I sort something? I want this output" -- it's so lazy on the part of the one asking the Q, but I can see some really interesting dynamics occur in such a case.. from benchmarking to people providing some of the most interesting techniques... going into obscure techniques like radix sorting.
 
cuz I have a big inbox right now
 
BTW, see my new hat, I like that unicorn :P
 
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10:44 AM
@Drew Ah yeah, maybe that one was too much like that. I think I would like it better if it was more algorithmic in nature.
 
user3956566
@Closey are you there?
 
@MsYvette Sorry, I don't understand that. Use commands for a list of commands.
 
user3956566
 
@MsYvette He's Sam's bot
 
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Q: A New Hope hat: did I just time travel?

TwoStrawsToday I find the "A New Hope" hat in my ever-growing collection. It says the award criterion is "ask, answer, or vote on December 18th", which is strange given that today is December 17th. Either I am from the future (in which case your lottery numbers are…), there's a bug, or I'm just confused. ...

 
10:45 AM
@MsYvette Sam gave it to him :p
 
user3956566
I figured as much LOL
 
user4842163
@Drew To me there's a line which is often blurry but it's between a spectrum of "how do I do this?" and "what's wrong with my code?" -- between those two ends, both of which are often VLQs, I still think the former is much higher quality, because it can invite useful content in the answers.
 
@TimCastelijns timezone wins again.
 
time travel wins again
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10:48 AM
@Ike I would rather see input/output and none of their code. Because it is usually a big pile a dung and an XY problem. Tar.
 
@Ike correct, but it matches the downvote tooltip "no research effort shown" which essentially means it's not a good question. There are often 2 sides to the story
 
user3956566
hello @hek2mgl
 
user4842163
@TimCastelijns @Drew Yeah, but from a cynical standpoint "little research shown" is often what defines a beginner, and beginners are going to have the most questions by far. Even if the beginner puts some effort into the research, we're often judging here by effort rather than knowledge/background.
 
I don't care if they have put any effort into it
 
@Ike SO is not for beginners, though
 
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10:50 AM
@TimCastelijns @Drew In those cases, sometimes the best I can hope a beginner to ask is, "How do I do this?" -- having taught CS 101/102, that would be my best opportunity to try to correct a student's misunderstanding.. more than debugging their code for them.
 
user4842163
@TimCastelijns Ideally not... but we're surrounded by them, like zombie land. :-D
 
That doesn't mean we have to embrace them and their (bad) questions
 
like I said, the last thing I want to see is their code
 
user4842163
@Drew Same
 
we DV Tim, but that aint a close
 
10:52 AM
@Ike But the difference between zombie land and SO is that killing the bad questions/answers is harder than killing the zombie's.
 
and that Python one isn't a reopen in my book because it is unclear (to the average human)
 
user4842163
@Thaillie they're fast zombies -- like 28 days later style :-D
 
@Drew I agree it should stay closed. Are we discussing over nothing?
 
user3956566
@Drew yes I changed my opinion of that
 
This is a slow morning for deleting spam!
 
user4842163
10:54 AM
@Drew Probably agree there, and I don't know the dynamics of the python tag. Just from a c tag point of view, e.g., a question about how to sort data would be quite welcome to me from the norm. :-D
 
I thought we were all bored and talking about generic stuff, not still contemplating anything !
 
@MsYvette Hmm...since rene commented below your answer, maybe like that famous regex question, add the correct answer after the mysterious one?
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan good idea
 
@Ike you ever see a question you like, kinda want to answer it, and then, like, no way, the guy has a rep of 1 ?
 
user4842163
@Drew Not so much -- I tend to look at rep last, since I'm very low-rep (got most of mine over a few weeks).
 
11:00 AM
I look at it first
 
user3956566
I gotta go
 
user3956566
ciao all
 
Later
 
over and out Ms
 
11:01 AM
@Drew why do you look at the rep?
 
user4842163
@Drew Maybe I look at rep first... or middle.. not sure -- I haven't paid careful attention to what I do there. One thing I do notice if I suspect a bad question is look at rep -- that definitely happens a lot, and does bias my judgement of whether it's truly a bad question.
 
Wouldn't it be great if you had to perform some edits (on test questions) before you are allowed to ask a Question
 
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@Drew Screening style? Not show up before we get a look at it, e.g.?
 
@Tim historically they are tar pits
that is a different issue Ike, like ghosting it. But no, just so they pass a test or two showing that they have a clue how data and formatting and quality should be
 
I don't know what tar pit means, but do you mean there is a low chance of being rewarded for your efforts?
 
user4842163
11:03 AM
@Drew Ah, I see... it might be cool to put that into a review-style auditing format before one is allowed to ask questions.
 
user4842163
@Drew I think we shouldn't try too hard there... try to make them into the perfect role models for the site too quickly... just kind of make it so they understand what's blatantly off-topic
 
@Tim well there is that. But that you are stuck in a tar pit with them.
I often look for 50 plus rep or greater. I have a SEDE query for like 200 plus. There are hundreds and thousands of older questions (7 days and older) just sitting there
no competition from FGITW
 
that hat event thingy, do i get to keep the hats after the event or do they disappear? feeling like playing tf2 once again
 
@Drew FGITW?
 
Can someone help me with what I should add here to respond to the critique received here in the last paragraph
 
11:07 AM
fastest gun in the west
 
@someFolk when the event is over, the hats are gone
 
@TimCastelijns
thanks, that sucks tho
 
They have to make room for winter bash 2016 :)
 
@TigerhawkT3 Opinion-based is fine. BTW, we have an user-script which can auto send the when you're voting to close a question. :)
 
user4842163
@rene More bullet points, big bold headings, maybe some pics. :-D Joking aside, afraid I don't know.
 
11:17 AM
Thanks for looking at it ;)
 
@KevinGuan Opinion-based is fine? There's a CV reason just for opinion-based, which is what that question was closed as.
 
@TigerhawkT3 Oops, I meant that close it as opinion-based is fine.
 
Ah, okay.
Lemme just unrustle my jimmies here.
 
@rene are we to ignore the first 2 paragraphs of that the guy said ?
 
I've just understand that our tour is very helpful for new users. However when a new user see my answer and use comment to say thanks instead of accept it, if I say please accept this, sometimes the user will ask where's the button? But if I say please accept this, check our [tour] for more details. Then everyone could find the accept button.
However that meant, almost nobody check our [tour] (Hmm...this part of the magic links don't work in chat) before ask a question...
 
11:25 AM
@Drew It is a FR, I'm not going to answer and I don't fancy exchanging fire in the comments.
 
what output are you looking for and for whom if you aren't giving it to anyone?
 
Ie: if you aren't answering and not commenting, what is the point?
 
@Drew I first want to make sure that the OP and I are on the same page
I understand how the queue sort order is
The OP doesn't
I want to have that out of the way first
Because that insight might change the FR
 
user4842163
can use a diagram made with gliffy showing the sorting order with little boxes showing like activity or close-votes or something
 
11:30 AM
When that is done I'll judge and answer
 
user4842163
me like pictures
 
user3956566
@rene truthfully, the quotation from shog is convoluted. I don't understand how it is sorted either. Am happy to help though
 
OK
That is something
 
user4842163
I'm afraid I didn't quite understand the sorting order at the end either
 
user4842163
but my attention span isn't so amazing
 
user3956566
11:32 AM
@rene maybe break it down.. as the only answer is within Shog's comments and that comment is as clear as mud
 
user3956566
^^ re how it is sorted
 
user4842163
for example, with the most-reviewed question bubbling to the top... does that include ones that are skipped, only ones with close votes, leave open ones that still have more close-votes?
 
user4842163
for algorithmic breakdowns like this, always the easiest things to understand for me are like diagrams or pseudo-code
 
@MsYvette I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
OK, let me finish lunch and try to rewrite that. But let me add that I don't understand why people up vote my crap
 
user3956566
11:37 AM
@rene for the second half rene this room does good work
 
user3956566
I can say that cos I upvoted it and that was why
 
MsYvette passed a audit!
 
user4842163
@rene Oh, I up-voted because I liked your hat.
 
@Pham stats
 
8,676 need review
1,468 reviews today
2,997,631 reviews all-time
 
11:39 AM
2,997,631 reviews all-time <-- I'm watching this number.
@neferpitou Reason?
 
Does not show effort
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan are you having difficulty discerning why?
 
@KevinGuan library / tool request
 
@MsYvette Nope, just because we have a rule about post every with the reason.
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan k
 
11:45 AM
I'm with Kevin ...
 
user3956566
I was wondering if you needed help or not?
 
@MsYvette Yeah, I know ;)
 
Wait a minute.. Isn't it the 17th of December? Why do I already have this hat: winterbash2015.stackexchange.com/a-new-hope then ?
 
Not again...
 
user3956566
 
I just wonder if its possible for Humans to wear the Jon Skeet hat?
 
lol totally missed that, even tough I have a tab with meta open
 
@Rizier123 It's for the people in different time zone's somewhere in the world it's the 18th :p
 
user3956566
@Rizier123 you need 10 tabs open to keep up ;)
 
I wonder why this hat uses the earliest possible time zone, while nearly everything else on SO uses UTC.
 
user3956566
11:50 AM
@TigerhawkT3 read the post linked so people from the earlier time zones get time to wear their hats and don't have to wait around.
 
They wouldn't have less opportunity though, would they? It would just be a 24-hour period that's a bit shifted relative to their local time zone, just like everything else. Is it really just "but we want that hat now"?
 
user3956566
@TigerhawkT3 if you go to the original post it goes into more detail. I think there may have been complaints
 
I went two levels down. How far does that rabbit hole go? :P
 
@BhargavRao Are you slacking now?
 
user3956566
11:56 AM
@neferpitou do you know how to add reasons in the ?
 
@MsYvette Im not familiar yet. Thats why
 
@neferpitou Check the above message of mine.
 
user3956566
@neferpitou that's ok, that's why I'm helping you :D
 
11:58 AM
@Kev sure @Ms tnx
 

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