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7:00 AM
Hey Folks! Is there an ability to nominate a user for being mod or has s/he to nominate her/himself? The respective user got all requirements necessary.
 
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio They have to nominate themselves although as Cody has said above: "If there's someone you think would be a good moderator, you should reach out to them and encourage them to nominate themselves."
 
How can I elect the moderator
 
You can only nominate yourself as a candidate during the nomination phase. You'll need at least 3000 reputation, have these badges (Civic Duty, Strunk & White, Deputy, Convention), and cannot have been suspended anywhere on the Stack Exchange network within the past year. You cannot nominate another user.
 
@Nick Which is way better than being able to nominate others, as it requires the nominees interaction and approvement
 
@Nick Okay. Thanks! I'll try to reach her/him.
 
7:05 AM
I could see only one candidate..How can I elect the Moderator
 
You can only nominate yourself as a candidate during the nomination phase. You'll need at least 3000 reputation, have these badges (Civic Duty, Strunk & White, Deputy, Convention), and cannot have been suspended anywhere on the Stack Exchange network within the past year. You cannot nominate another user.
 
@finnmglas Exactly. Being a moderator on Stack Overflow is a huge responsibility. It is absolutely required that the person nominating themselves wants the job.
@Jagadesh Elections have not started yet. We are just in the nomination phase.
 
@Jagadesh Only 1 candidate has nominated themselves so far, you'll have to wait until the Election phase begins before you can vote
 
How long should a user be on SO before nominating himself? I still am kinda new on here but could think of nominating in 1 / 2 years
 
@finnmglas it would be amusing to see the reactions of people who end up winning if others could nominate them... Imagine they're on a couple of weeks holiday and login to SO for the first time in a while and it's like: "oh hey, guess what happened while you were away..." :p
 
7:06 AM
@Nick ok.. That means jul 21 only i can elect?
 
@finnmglas There isn't necessarily a minimum time period. It's more about how active you've been on the site, not only with asking/answering/commenting, but with curating content (raising flags, casting votes, etc.) and also with participating on Meta Stack Overflow to help shape site policy. These kinds of things are what the candidate score attempt to measure (albeit imperfectly, as with any metric).
 
@Jagadesh It depends on how many nominees there are, if there are <10 nominees, then you'll have the week from 14th-21st to vote
 
Generally, a good moderator candidate will need to be active on the site for at least a couple of years in order to earn enough rep to gain the privileges, and then have time to do the things I mentioned.
 
@Nick Ok got it
 
@CodyGray Maybe a stupid question but just out of interest. Do a mod needs to have a complete "white vest"? The current only candidate was banned twice from review queue. Is that important to "disqualify" one of the race?
 
7:10 AM
@CodyGray (that's the polite way of saying i'd be a bad candidate because I don't have 10k+ :p)
 
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio Review bans really don't matter at all. Virtually anyone who has ever used the review queues has been banned at least once. Most of the current mods have been banned from review, some of them even as moderator. There is a rule that you cannot nominate yourself if you've been suspended from any SE site within the past year. But other than that, no, we tend to forgive past mistakes here, as long as you've clearly learned your lesson.
 
Well, unless you happen to be one of those users that have managed to work themselves into well over a year long review suspension... that might be an indicator you probably shouldn't be let near queues :)
 
Yeah, fair point. Anyone we've decided is no longer welcome to use the review queues on this site is almost certainly not a good moderator candidate. But there's nothing officially blocking them from running...
 
@JonClements One could argue those users have not clearly learned their lesson...
 
@Nick Or rather, they've clearly not learned their lesson :)
 
user3956566
7:14 AM
@JonClements new avatar I see
 
I think all of our eyes are open a bit wider these days...
 
@Nick :)
 
@Yvette it's actually a ~5 year old one I switched back to... am I a cute puppy, or am I a cute puppy!? :p
 
user3956566
@JonClements very cute and seeing we haven't been in a chat room together for many months, I brought you something to celebrate the occasion!
 
user3956566
Scooby snacks ofc!
 
7:20 AM
\o/
 
Pfft, remind me not to give you popcorn in future Jon
 
@Yvette I still see you're allowing your hooman to photobomb you... :)
@Nick meep
 
user3956566
@JonClements well. This is the mother of the other horse (her baby died) would you believe @SamuelLiew was at my home when Dyani died and witnessed the whole thing. very emotional day. I was fortunate to have such a good friend around.
 
user3956566
@Nick he has penchant for scooby snacks
 
(although there's absolutely nothing wrong with popcorn... trying to back pedal :p)
 
user3956566
7:24 AM
anyone else find the lack of nominations at this stage ... well ... interesting?
 
user3956566
Now I want popcorn
 
@Yvette awww - so sorry to hear that... :'(
 
user3956566
@JonClements it was/is hard. but focusing on her mum helps/
 
@Yvette Personally, no, but then the page went up at 9pm for me and it's still relatively early morning
Also, if I were to nominate, I'd write my answers to the questions first, and... the questions are not super easy this year
 
Yeah, I'm not surprised that nominations are slow to come in.
For legitimate candidates, it takes a while to write a good nomination post, much less answer the questionnaire.
 
7:27 AM
It would be better to keep this chat room clear for nomination and election purposes only. If you feel to discuss personal things, please go into a private chat room and don't mess this one up with irrelevant comments. Thank you.
 
Then there's the fact that deciding is a lot harder these days... That's why the nomination period is a bit longer this time around than it usually is.
 
@JonClements You have made the fatal mistake of asking for the popcorn. You are supposed to simply take it.
 
Where's the delete button when you need it...
 
@Nick You're totally right - if you can't answer the questions there's no point nominating...
 
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio Meh... chat is designed to be a bit looser. Socializing with the (potential) candidates and moderators is a great way to get to know more about them.
 
7:30 AM
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio There's nothing wrong with a bit of idle chit-chat as long the conversation focuses on the election when it's being discussed and general conversation doesn't swamp that discussion.
 
So my thoughts on forested wetlands are definitely off-topic, then?
 
what is my candidate score
 
@Tschallacka Your candidate score is 35 (out of 40). You are missing these badges: Marshal, Sportsmanship, Steward, Copy Editor, Refiner. Perhaps consider nominating yourself in the election?
 
mmhh,
why would I wish to nominate myself?
 
@Tschallacka To get a more powerful "delete" button?
 
7:37 AM
@Nick And that is why in answering the questions in the event we get some extremely low number of nominees I've so far answered..... 2
 
True, but I feel mighty uncomfortable with the events of the last year
I've been a member for quite a while, but the last year has been eventful with all the changes, and cornerstones leaving
I'm mighty hesistant to invest really
It would help if existing mods could give their viewpoint and experiences and their perceived future expectations
 
It has really sucked. I hope it will get better.
Fortunately, the site is still largely the same, and so is the community, which are the reasons why I'm here in the first place.
 
Zoe
We're still at one nomination?
 
@Zoe You haven't clicked "Submit" yet!
 
Zoe
Huh? xd
 
7:40 AM
@Tschallacka I wrote a bit about it here
 
@Zoe We were at 2
 
Zoe
Geez, who ~~died~~ dropped out?
 
Yes, there was a brief misfire. A long-standing user submitted what was apparently spam as his nomination. He self-retracted. Not sure what happened there.
 
@Zoe Well, how is your aerobic capacity, apparently theirs wasn't the best
 
Zoe
Huh
 
7:41 AM
ran out of puff after sprinting 20 metres back and forth...
 
@Nick mine's awful, I'm better at the sprint
 
Zoe
@Nick half-decent
 
@Zoe here's the deal: I'll vote for you if you nominate with your current Discord nick
 
lmao
 
checks ...
Oh, I can support that!
 
Zoe
7:43 AM
What is my current Discord nick? xd
 
Mith
 
Zoe
Oh, I expected a silent change :p
 
Oh, you weren't asking me? :p
 
Zoe
Disappointing
 
7:43 AM
Thanks @Mithical It's a reminder of what happened.
 
@Mithical Why do you prefer Olivia to Zoe?
 
@CodyGray That's what Zoe's usual discord nick is
 
that's what her nick was on Discord last night when I impersonated her
 
Zoe
Pff, you did a bad job at that >~>
You didn't even know where the duck was <~<
 
it's not like I was going to go to the effort I did last time
the duck is a lie
 
7:45 AM
I don't think I'll nominate. I don't trust myself to invest the time each day needed to make a useful contribution.
 
Zoe
Correct, but you didn't say that last night :p
 
@Tschallacka Yeah. There have been some positive changes since then, but...
 
Zoe
I have a penguin :blobthinksmart:
 
Best penguin
 
I mean, if I would feel like what I did would be appriciated, etc... thats for me a huge motivator, but the feeling I have gotten last year(s) from SO is that it can be best phrased as "indifference" and a "bother". They'd rather focus on the money making projects like jobs and other ad revenue builders like the failed documentation project.
and investing time for a company that doesn't care is a huge turnoff really. It's largely also why I stopped voting and flagging posts.
 
7:48 AM
@Tschallacka That's not easy especially when one of the questions is explicitly asking why you'd continue despite "your efforts will almost always go unnoticed"
 
That is what I would call a "red flag"
I would at least expect the company to notice, have a nice statistics display of job well done, maybe have a moderator contact person every now and then go, "hey, nice job on keeping the spam out"
 
@Tschallacka The question is, from whom do you seek appreciation? From the company itself, or from your fellow users? The company has never been particularly appreciative of moderators, even back in the day when it wasn't doing everything within its power to step on them.
 
Zoe
Meh. Anyone in a position of moderation will have their efforts go unnoticed most of the time. It's kinda just a normal thing that happens to everyone, unless you're extra active in SOBotics and SOCVR
 
@Zoe Yeah, then you get downvotes
 
user3956566
@Tschallacka when I was a mod, I felt appreciate by the CM s and the mod team
 
user3956566
7:53 AM
Very much so
 
user3956566
I think there's support behind the scenes in some ways
 
Zoe
@Nick that's like saying "life is hard and then you die". :p
 
In what way did that manifest itself @Yvette?
 
user3956566
not sure now Shog has gone :'(
 
ah... right
 
user3956566
7:54 AM
well in our mod chat room
 
the one (almost)everyone knew and loved
 
user3956566
and for my via email
 
user3956566
ikr, it still makes me a little ill. He was amazing (is amazing)
 
user3956566
I have to pop off, very busy, but am happy to chat more later o/
 
cya
 
7:55 AM
Catija is awesome and extremely supportive of us moderators. She even listens to my rants, and sometimes makes the changes I demand.
But you probably shouldn't run for moderator as a way to gain validation/appreciation.
 
@Tschallacka Well, there is a nice stats board...
 
It is largely a thankless job, one that you do behind the scenes because you care about the site, its users, and the future.
 
no, I don't need validation/appriciation as a reward, but I do need it every now and then, just to keep me going, if you understand what I mean?
like, I'm not a point hunter on SO, I only answer questions I feel like where I can help some people
 
Sure, I get that. But like I said, that's going to come mostly from the community of users, not from the company.
 
I don't care much for the company, as long as they keep the site running
but I do like to be acknowledged for my efforts every blue monday
 
7:57 AM
I can totally understand that it feels good to occasionally hear people say this guy is doing a great job as a moderator, deleting garbage, cleaning up the site, etc. And that does happen, it's just mostly from your fellow users who are also active in the trenches and in curation.
 
that would work for me xD
I'll mull over it
 
There definitely has to be intrinsic motivation, though.
That's the only thing that is sustainable.
 
yea, I get that
I've looked from the sidelines for the last few years
It's not an easy descision to make really
I might nominate if at day 7 there is still online one candidate I think
 
It's definitely not an easy decision.
It's not even an easy decision to remain as moderator.
 
true that
 
8:01 AM
Anyone who thinks it is an easy decision is probably not a good candidate.
 
Are there meetings weekly, monthly or something like that? or is it you get the shovel pushed in your hands and start digging?
 
No meetings. You just do whatever you can when you can. There is a moderator-only chat room that we use to discuss, coordinate, support each other, complain, etc.
 
Hello guys
 
Hello o/
 
Zoe
henlo
What happens if the current nominee doesn't answer the questions?
 
8:13 AM
There's no official policy that I'm aware of, but I think it's far too early to start worrying about that.
 
Zoe
We had several nominations and answers in the first few hours last election. One (real) nomination in about 12 hours is a sign it might be time to start worrying about that :')
 
> Participation is completely voluntary.
 
Heh, wonder how it smells i.imgur.com/4EEydy3.png
 
@Zoe I think generally they end up getting comments like: "are you going to answer the questions" and if they don't, I think the electorate generally ends up with a feeling of: "Well, if they can't even be bothered to spend half hour doing that then..."
 
@JonClements half hour?!, I'm at like 3hrs and still only answered 2
 
Zoe
8:17 AM
@Nick not our fault you type slow :p
 
Shush you
 
@Nick given the nature of this election's question set - that's understandable... (of course, you could just do it in 2 minutes if you answer everything with... "You get popcorn! Everyone gets popcorn!" - I'd vote for that :p)
 
Interesting... I shall add that to my list of ideas
 
takes notes
 
Zoe
@JonClements Not like there's a lot of better options :')
 
8:26 AM
I might have to go back to my old nick of "Nick A the Popcorn King" in that case
 
Yeah, I was wondering if you got overthrown and who the new Popcorn King is.
 
Hmmm, I think I'll type up possible answers to the questionaire and use that to see if I really want to do this
I think that will help me with introspection
 
@CodyGray I didn't even know you were aware that happened ^^"
 
@Tschallacka that'll probably be a win-win... if going through it makes you think "nah" - you've resolved your inner debate, and if the answer is "worth a go", then you've got the questionnaire ready :p
 
Hello.
 
8:35 AM
@SuhaibJanjua Hello
 
I have been thinking to participate in Moderator Election.
I have made mistakes in my initial years which is why I want to participate
 
I'm alive on se-electionbot.herokuapp.com, started on 2020-07-07 07:50:46Z with an uptime of 2893 seconds.
 
@SuhaibJanjua What makes you think that you would be a good candidate?
 
@SuhaibJanjua You're not eligible as you're missing the Convention badge
 
@CodyGray I have never participated before because in previous elections I have seen candidates that are far better than me.
@Nick Ohh. That's bad. But okay. I will reconsider myself next time
 
8:44 AM
takes notes
 
Zoe
rene 2.0 has entered the room
 
9:16 AM
:D
 
Interesting that so far, after the first day, that there are 3 nominees for the Expatriates Beta site, and only 1 for StackOverflow.
 
How do mod messages work? Do they go via email? Or is it a special notification on the site?
 
@Tschallacka Both.
 
Zoe
@Tschallacka it's on-site. You get an email notification AFAIK, but replies and stuff are handled on-site
 
is it like a chat room?
 
9:22 AM
The main interface is via the site, but everything also gets copied to the email address associated with your account.
 
or more like a ticket system?
 
It's not a chat room, but you do have the option to reply to the moderator team, and they can send a response. It's more like Q&A, actually, except there's no question.
 
ah. Ok. Thanks
 
But we are strongly discouraged from engaging in back-and-forth in this system.
 
Is that because of recent events?
 
9:23 AM
I've never recieved a mod message before, but I need to know how it's presented to the user xD. Is the notification easy to miss if you hav ea lot of upvotes/replies?
 
@ouflak No. It's always been the policy.
@Tschallacka Uh... possibly. The on-site notification does go to the inbox, and if you never read your inbox, you might miss it.
If you want to increase the visibility, you apply a suspension. (Suspensions are applied via mod messages, so it's impossible to suspend someone without sending a mod message. But you can send a mod message without applying a suspension, of course.)
 
mmh, okay. Good, that helps :-)
 
The default suspensions are 7 days (first offense), 30 days (second offense), and 365 days (third offense/repeat offender/out of patience). But mods can enter any custom period, up to 365 days (longer suspensions than this require a staff member).
 
@Zoe Correct, you get an email and message on-site like shown here
 
Zoe
I know :')
 
9:26 AM
So, like for people who are deleting a bunch of their old posts, a mod might send them a message notifying them that this is vandalism and against our rules, with a 1-day suspension associated, just to (A) make sure they see it, and (B) put a temporary stop to the problem.
@Nick Only one quibble: in my reply there, I intentionally de-anonymized myself so you'd know who it was you were communicating with. That's not normal. Under normal circumstances, all messages are signed "Stack Overflow Moderation Team". Other moderators can see exactly which moderator typed the message, but not the receiving user.
 
@CodyGray Yeah, and ummm, i assumed you wouldnt mind people knowing you've sent me a message before :p
 
So if I go through and cleanup some of my meta posts to make myself look less combative, I might actually get a moderator warning. Oh the irony....
 
No, it's fine. I presume everyone here knows that I sometimes do send moderator messages.
 
I'd hope so, you being a mod after all
 
Zoe
Huh, I didn't know that! And here I thought you were another user :p
 
9:29 AM
Awww... what lovely stuff behind those red boxes as well... :)
 
Haha, quiet Jon ^^"
 
Zoe
:GWChadThinkEyes:
 
I was very appreciative without saying too much
 
Do you actually have a userscript that renders those things, @Zoe, or are we just supposed to know what they mean?
 
:eyes:
@CodyGray they mean that @Zoe has been spending entirely too much time with Discord Nitro
 
9:31 AM
I can maybe imagine what :eyes: or :sadface: means, but when you get George Washington Chad in there, I don't even know what's up anymore.
 
@Nick ... and I'm certainly always appreciative of the popcorn :p
 
Zoe
@CodyGray Muscle memory. I know what they mean :')
@Mithical I don't have nitro. They're global emotes
You can use them without nitro
 
@CodyGray Zoe's trying to wangle her way into a job to help improve the new reaction feature... :p
 
DISQUALIFY!
 
Zoe
Can't be disqualified from something I'm not running in :blobthinksmart:
huh, weird... stack doesn't like IBus
 
9:36 AM
What? Who doesn't like a good IPA?
 
Zoe
Stack :p
disappointing xd
it means my emoji keyboard doesn't work :')
well, here. Works fine in vim
 
I may be unnecessarily stereotyping here, but the type of person that uses vim is not the kind of person I'd really associate with using emojis... :p
but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ what do I know....
 
Emoji keyboard? That's a lot of keys...
 
Zoe
No, it's a software one
@JonClements I don't use them a lot, but I like being able to :p
 
unless it's one of those really posh keyboards where the keys are actually leds that display images and you can switch between whatever character sets you want on it...
 
9:42 AM
@JonClements "I don't always use Vim, but when I do... I use emojis."
 
Zoe
Wait, what?
How many candidates are there?
 
No users have nominated themselves yet.
 
Zoe
Wow, I hadn't lost it xd
 
@Zoe maybe you have and EB is just trying to be supportive :p
 
Zoe
I should've added "yet" :p
 
9:46 AM
@ElectionBot Has Zoe lost it yet?
 
Zoe
All signs point to yes
 
🕵️‍♂️
 
@Zoe There was one nomination, but it was retracted.
 
Zoe
I'm aware
 
Yeah, about some "branded" beep test
 
9:59 AM
I am not crying, because it was not even close to be a good one...
 
Zoe
but when the only nomination in 12 hours (which on its own is unnatural for an SO election) disappears, that's weird :') Besides, caching xd
 
Oh, are they both gone now?
 
Zoe
Yeah, it wasn't a good one, but it was still a nomination
@Nick yeah
The first one, not the spam one, just disappeared
 
Oh wow, what a riveting election this is turning out to be
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An election is where users nominate themselves as candidates for the role of diamond ♦ moderator, and users with at least 150 reputation can vote for them.
 

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