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11:00 AM
@DalijaPrasnikar you're alive :D and on the election chat
 
Is Zuckerberg a programmer?
We do have some famous users, for example Guido van Rossum
 
Zoe
@CodyGray no, he Zuckerbergs programmers
 
Facebook is like a giant Zucker-punch to the gut
 
Zoe
More like a giant Zucker-punch to your privacy
 
not as bad as TikTok
 
Zoe
11:03 AM
Everything closely tied to China tends to have worse data privacy. That's why I got off Keybase after Zoom bought it :')
 
ahh... the old "it's not as bad as..." comparison/measurement system :)
 
i have a question about wix. someone can help?
 
Zoom is closely tied to China?
 
Zoe
@CodyGray They've shut down protests on zoom after being told to by China
 
Is zoom safe to use ?
 
Zoe
11:04 AM
They do a lot of the stuff china tells them to, so that's fun :')
 
Many of the online events are organized through zoom
 
Zoe
there's quite a lot on Zoom and China
 
Have anyone used Google pay ?
 
No, but I need to set it up because I forgot my wallet going to the shop yesterday and had to run back to pick it up...
 
Zoe
@Nick I'm surprised you don't keep your card with your phone xd
 
11:09 AM
@AnishB. only once as a takeaway app I used occasionally had a promotional £5 discount if you paid via Google Pay... never used it since...
 
hi
 
@Zoe I don't have a wallet case like you Zoe
@mhndlsz Hello o/
 
Zoe
they're super cheap xd
 
Shush, I like my wallet
 
Google pay sucks at times
 
Zoe
11:12 AM
@Nick y tho?
It's another thing to remember
 
hmmmh
filled out the questionaire
 
I only forgot it because I'd taken it out my jacket to pay council tax a few nights before
 
still don't know
 
Zoe
xd
 
how to vote?
 
11:13 AM
You cannot vote yet. In the meantime you can read and comment on the candidates' nominations, as well as read the candidates' answers to your questions to find out more.
 
Zoe
gee, remind me...
how many candidates are there?
 
No users have nominated themselves yet.
 
Guys who are moderators, could you take a peek at my filled in questionare, and judge if that would be okay ish mod material or not? docs.google.com/document/d/…
 
who are nominees?
 
Permission for non-mods to peek?
 
11:14 AM
@mhndlsz same here.
 
sure
I might be a tad bit too indifferent
 
Hmm.
 
so I'm not sure if I have the passion needed to be a mod here
 
Weren't we just talking about privacy concerns?
 
bot says no nominees yet .. haha..
 
Zoe
11:15 AM
that was ages ago
Welcome to a high-volume chat :p
 
@Zoe Well, my point is that I'm now being presented with a Google Doc...
 
@CodyGray haha.. nice joke huh
 
I can post it somewhere else?
 
Can we nominate monica?
 
if you don't want google to track you
 
11:16 AM
we should consider the way downvote works
 
@JamesWong-ReinstateMonica No, she's not an SO user
 
Zoe
@JamesWong-ReinstateMonica you can't nominate other people
 
Also that
 
Zoe
mainly that xd
 
@JamesWong-ReinstateMonica You cannot nominate other users. Users have to nominate themselves. Monica would probably not be a very good Stack Overflow moderator because she doesn't even use this site.
@mhndlsz What part of it do you want to consider?
 
11:16 AM
WHen is the voting ?
 
Zoe
@CodyGray DoWnVoTES aaRe BAd
 
Downvotes are critically important.
 
@FaizaanKhan 13th at 20:00 UTC at the earliest
 
There should be no concepts of down votes
 
Zoe
There should be downvotes
 
11:17 AM
there is only the matrix and the agents
 
Zoe
Ever tried browsing a voteless forum?
 
@AnishB. Why not? What would you replace them with? How would we indicate content that is not useful, unclear, incorrect, or otherwise of low quality?
 
@Nick Thankyou
 
Zoe
It's the worst
 
Noobs should not get to downvote
 
11:18 AM
@mhndlsz They cannot. Downvoting requires 125 reputation.
 
Zoe
125 rep ensures that
 
it has a lot of "Move to top" replies @Zoe
 
ok
 
Zoe
yeah, because that works well
 
I think it should be even higher
 
Zoe
11:19 AM
If you've ever used linux and tried finding something on forums, you'll usually find 10-20+ identical threads with no metric of what generally worked
 
one of my questions get lots of downvote not necessary
 
@Zoe I think you're talking about NPE dupes
 
@CodyGray It should be labelled like useful or non-useful.
 
The point Zoe and I are making is that, without votes, there would be no quality control mechanisms for this site. That would make it indistinguishable from other places on the Internet, like Yahoo Answers. There's a reason you come to Stack Overflow to get answers, rather than those other places. The quality of the answers is much better here. Voting is how we ensure that.
 
Zoe
^
 
11:19 AM
@AnishB. It is labeled that way. Have you read the tooltip that appears when you hover over the vote arrows?
 
Zoe
@Nick In part, yeah
not kidding about Linux stuff tho xd Lots of forum threads about the same things with a lot of similar solutions, and a lot of noise
 
@Zoe Xorg configuration issue. You have 15min of googling. Go.
 
@CodyGray I saw that.
 
You should see the windows forums... we always have the same problems
 
Zoe
@SébastienRenauld Kill me instead. kthx
 
11:20 AM
@mhndlsz I assume you're talking about your deleted question that was scored -6? Yeah, those downvotes were completely justified there. The question wasn't even close to being clear, nor was it on-topic for Stack Overflow. That's the signal that the downvotes were conveying. Having users downvote questions like that saves other users from wasting time looking at off-topic or uninteresting questions.
 
Zoe
I haven't touched xorg and I don't want to :')
 
@Nick I've never had any problems configuring Xorg in Windows.
 
I didn't mean about Xorg, just about issues with windows in general
 
Zoe
and to be fair, most windows threads just say:
> have you tried turning it off and back on again?
> If that didn't work, did you try reinstalling windows?
> If even that fails, you should probably give up
 
@CodyGray I was referring specifically to linux X11 configs, particularly with either external graphics cards or unusual hardware
 
11:22 AM
No, they say "Hi, I'm X from X, I'm an MVP, have you tried [link to some other similar issue], if this helped don't forget to mark it as correct"
 
i.e. where you usually end up reformatting if you forgot to set up openssh-server before you started
 
I always had a feeling why to have Apple forum when Super user forum is already there ?
 
Zoe
@Nick you sound like you haven't used it a lot :')
 
No no, most windows threads are:

Hi I'm dingaladong, a trusted microsoft expert,

Your problem may be resolved by this article [insert dead technet link here] as this is a commen problem.

Kind regards,

dingaldong
 
@SébastienRenauld Sorry, my sense of humour is quirky.
 
Zoe
11:24 AM
and those that live usually involve the three steps I mentioned :')
 
It's the dead links on microsoft sites that are the biggest bother. Like, how much effort is it to keep the pages alive
like, you literally have to do nothing
 
Zoe
they're good at backwards compatibility offline :p
 
Can anybody provide some feedback on the document? Do I have the material to be a mod or is it more, let it be buddy?
Granted I'd be voted in of course
 
Zoe
the only way you can really find out is to try. The impostor syndrome is a pain to deal with tho
 
mmmhh, true
 
11:31 AM
Argh.
I went ahead and tried it. But now it says it's going to send me an email if I'm approved.
 
whut?
 
Oh don't worry, I never got one
 
Your Google Doc
is a PITA
 
...
 
It's locked, you need to provide access
 
11:32 AM
urgh
 
(or make it public)
 
now you need to click anyone with the link
 
Okay, I just opened the link again and it worked.
 
sorry, i haven't shared a document before
made it public
sorry for that xD
 
tbf I don't find google docs as intuitive as O365
 
11:33 AM
I'm better at coding than working with an office enviroment
 
I would have used a Gist ;-)
 
yea, but I would have had to reformat it, and I made my answers brown
and before I invest that much of the time besides writing my personal viewpoints, I kinda wanted some feedback first, if it's worth the effort, or if i'm just not moderator material
 
Well, I've only gotten through the first two responses, but I can say this: your honesty is refreshing.
 
@Tschallacka not a mod but that are awesome answers. Please nominate.
 
> "If the company wishes to take my privileges away because my opinions, let them."
This sums up my attitude, too.
How can I say you're not a good candidate? :-)
 
11:37 AM
Thanks
mhhh
well, then i'll give it the good ole try I guess
crap, now I have to format that document
oh well, there are worse pains in the world
 
The only thing that gives me pause is that you apparently don't write everything in Markdown
 
Oh damn, I've been writing mine in LaTeX and I just remembered SO doesn't have TeX support /s
 
@CodyGray CommonMark. I see you're still stuck in the past as well ...
 
@rene I am, yes. Firmly entrenched there.
(Isn't CommonMark just a specific Markdown spec?)
 
(yes)
 
11:41 AM
I've no idea. I only remembered there were 14 flavors and SE added another one ...
 
There are some significant things I don't like about CommonMark.
 
Can't color the text.
 
...yeah, that's not one of them.
 
Oh well.
 
No blink
 
11:42 AM
@CodyGray markdown to gerber x3 when
 
TIL if you google "marquee html" the results counter will be a marquee
 
@SébastienRenauld I don't quite understand your comment. Does Gerber x3 refer to the data format for PCB layout files?
 
Yeah. It was related to the "You apparently don't write everything in Markdown"
Some things are better not done in markdown
 
Oh, I see. Yeah, that's fair.
I was thinking about anything that is text.
I have pretty much given up on any sort of word processor.
 
technically gerber is full ascii and human-readable ;-)
 
11:45 AM
I can barely read it when I have a program to open it up in...
My EE abilities fade away beyond the schematic level
 
I'm having to do things related to that now
it's...
well, I'm trying to design test equipment to test a device
and the person who designed said device thought test pads being on 1mm pitch was a good idea
whereas literally everybody goes by 1.27mm
 
Hah
Were they actually optimizing that much for board space, or just dumb?
 
Just dumb
 
Well atleast one good thing has come out of this election. I just got the 'talkative' badge. Bet nobody saw that one coming.
 
@Tschallacka Okay, finished. Gotta be honest with you: portions of many of your answers resonate strongly with me, and I think it's clear after reading this that you would certainly make a good moderator. I do (apparently like you yourself) have a few reservations about your extremely laissez-faire "live-and-let-live" attitude. Again, while I do rationally know and try to practice some of this myself, I have an extreme amount of passion for this site that animates me, and I would prefer to...
...vote for moderator candidates who have a similar amount of passion. Therefore, in a competitive field of candidates, you likely wouldn't be my first (or even second) choice. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't run, and it doesn't mean that you're unqualified. If you were elected, about the only bad thing I can see happening is you deciding that it's too much drama/frustration and stepping down, leaving us little better off than where we are now, before the election.
 
Zoe
11:51 AM
wouldn't that just cause the third person to get elected?
 
But I should also point out that not all of the current moderators are as zealous as I am, nor do they need to be. There are plenty of ways to make a meaningful contribution here.
@Zoe Not necessarily. We could call up the runner-up, but we don't have to do so. Would be a decision made amongst the mod team and the CMs.
 
Zoe
oh
 
@CodyGray you have a picture of the test pads waiting for you on discord
just to illustrate how much space-saving needed to be done
 
hmmm, thanks @CodyGray for your honest opinion. I used to feel more strongly and passionate about Stack Overflow and the community in the past. But the bludgeoninging of the last year really have left a mark on my soul too, and I'm just very hesistant to be hurt again, hence my emotional distancing.
 
Understood
I don't know if I would nominate myself in this election if I weren't already in the game. And I'm really glad I don't have to decide.
That's why I really can't fault you for any of your opinions, and why I still think you'd make an excellent mod.
 
11:59 AM
... xkcd.com is best viewed with Netscape Navigator 4.0 or below on a Pentium 3±1 emulated in Javascript on an Apple IIGS at a screen resolution of 1024x1.
 
user12867493
@CodyGray Why not?
 
@Tschallacka As far as your answers are concerned, I mostly agree with Cody... I was not really swayed by them, but you have "the right attitude". My major concern would be amount of moderating activities you have done so far and rather small amounts of votes you have cast.
 
Yeah, I didn't check your downvote tally. That matters.
@Daniil Read Tschallacka's answers, comments here in chat, and in-between the lines of the Meta questionnaire questions. If you've been around any time at all, you know the situation.
 
That's because I'm more a consumer of Stack Overflow. I don't browse the site without intent really
 
I've pulled the trigger, but I've been open about my concerns, even in the nomination statement. If at any point I feel like I'm actually fighting StackExchange instead of trying to help them out....
 
12:00 PM
I usually do a search query in google, get to a question / answer I need
I don't usually browse "newest"
 
user12867493
@CodyGray I do, I don't feel that it means don't nominate
 
but when I do I do downvote/flag for closing when needed
or find duplicates
 
user12867493
Where can I find their questionnaire answers?
 
@Daniil A lot of the time as a moderator, I feel like I am fighting an uphill battle against a company who doesn't respect me, nor the community that I represent. I see the site changing in certain ways (e.g., the SO home page to non-logged-in users and adding emojis) that I strongly abhor, and that I am quite honestly uncomfortable being associated with both personally and professionally.
@Daniil It's under "Featured on Meta" in the sidebar. No answers currently. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/399106/…
 
Zoe
@CodyGray At least they less than three you
 
12:03 PM
@Tschallacka No, of course. Almost no one drinks from this firehose. And we're not talking so much about when you're using SO to find answers, but when you decide to find questions to answer.
 
user12867493
@CodyGray So why did you say Read Tschallacka's answers if there are no answers?
 
It's just that I barely browse newest, and don't invest that much time in the review queues because there is so little trade off in reward for me to hop in there, and I find that I have to open the questions in a new tab most of the time quite bothersome to do a proper review. So I usually bail out after 7 reviews
 
@Daniil Oh, sorry. He posted a draft of his answers in a Google Doc. See: docs.google.com/document/d/…
Those answers aren't really illuminating about the state of the situation if you don't already know what he's referring to, though.
 
I'm editing the meta post as we speak
 
user12867493
@CodyGray 👍 I thought he did but couldn't find the link
 
user12867493
12:04 PM
I know the situation @CodyGray
 
user12867493
I've been around for a couple of years
 
@Tschallacka Oh yeah. I never use(d) the review queues, either. I always open stuff up in a new tab so I can see it in its full, expected context, and from there, I can just do what needs to be done directly.
The question would be, if you aren't accustomed to performing curation tasks like this now, how do you think you would react when presented with a queue of 1000+ flags that need to be handled?
 
@Tschallacka, I'm not a real big fan of the SO review system either. It's a drudge to work through, and when I finally find a gem - clear Spam or an excellent answer/question - it turns out to be useless audit. If I want to play text computer games, I'll crank on the old TRS-48.
 
I've never heard of a TRS-48...
 
user12867493
@ouflak Skip the review audits...
 
12:09 PM
I have just been going through my profile... is there a way to see how many close votes person has cast in total? I can see that I have total of 3,183 reviews but I have cast 29,507 close votes. I guess that not going through review queues can really skew the stats.
 
@CodyGray I think @ouflak meant TRS-80...
 
@Danill, The fact that they show pretty much deflates my enthusiasm balloon right there. @CodyGray, The 'Trash 48' was a nickname a few of us gave to the Tandy Radio Shack 80 (a reference to the amount of memory). That might have been a local thing.
 
@CodyGray The difference is that when I do it then it has a clear effect on the queue. I can affect people directly via messaging, it does something. The queue's mostly feel like a sisiphyan excersise in futility, where I have the feeling that most of the votes I cast there age away, because too much "junk" is put on top.
As a moderator, the vote you cast counts. And that would motivate me to take a chunk of a queue, to steam through a chunk of those things.
I've been lurking on meta for a long while, so I do believe that I have a hold on what the community wants and doesn't want. And of co
 
@Tschallacka Yup. Sounds even more like me. It's a lot easier for me to process the flag queue where I can make an immediate impact than to sit and go through the review queues. Having a bigger hammer does wonders.
 
The main issue with the queue as i see it will always be little known or used tags where there isnt enough people that know enough about the topic of the question to bother voting or they do vote and vote wrong.
 
12:13 PM
@DaImTo Do you mean the moderator flag queue, or the review queues? Either way... Mods don't need to be subject-matter experts, and reviewers can filter the review queues by tag.
 
@CodyGray true but a lot end up going stale as no one votes for them.
 
@BenSinclair I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and lift your suspension for that last chat message. I don't know if you were kidding, trying to express your support for a particular social movement, or actually trying to be offensive, but the latter is what you achieved. Please be more careful in the future (or just avoid certain topics).
@DalijaPrasnikar That's a good question. Where are you even seeing how many close votes you've cast?
 
Oh, perfect.
 
12:17 PM
My Profile - Activity - Votes and reactions - Closure
 
I knew that existed, but for some reason couldn't find it
Oh
I know why I couldn't find it.
 
Yep, close votes are under votes :p
 
Even as a moderator, I can't see that tab for other people.
 
Yep, that is the problem... I can see mine, I cannot see it for other people
 
Should perhaps be part of the standard questionnaire...
If you can't or won't share your tax returns, then that is cause for concern.
 
12:20 PM
Anyone feel like giving me an idea of a typical day as a moderator? What are you dealing with exactly? How much of your time is it requiring? Is it worth it in your opinion? #askingforafriend
 
@DalijaPrasnikar You've cast more close votes than me (I've only cast 24,113).
 
Uh... I have been busy bee, I guess...
 
@DaImTo Um, hard to answer. For starters, there is no typical day as a moderator. It's a volunteer position, so the amount of time you dedicate varies. But generally, it's handling the moderator flag queue, which has a wide variety of flags, ranging from NAA flags on posts (which are pretty easy to handle and either decline or delete the post) to complex issues, like users being jerks, sockpuppetry, and plagiarism. These take more time to investigate and handle.
It can consume as much time as you're willing to let it.
Beyond the flag queue, there are other things that moderators do, like moderating chat, engaging on Meta, etc. Different mods tend to specialize in different things that they prefer.
If you care deeply about maintaining the site's quality standards, there's nothing better or more rewarding than being able to deal with vast swaths of garbage simply and easily.
But it's also a lot of drudgery, requires a lot of time, and is an overall pretty thankless job.
 
@Cody Gray, Have you ever moderated a relatively low-traffic site? We aren't even getting a chat for our election so I'm asking here.
 
@ouflak Yes. I was a pro tem moderator on Philosophy.SE during the beta phase and continued for a while after it had launched.
 
12:25 PM
@CodyGray thank you for your honest answer. :)
 
@ouflak Which site? I can set up an election chat, or maybe talk to your existing site mods.
 
@CodyGray I've ... 69K .... I must have been bored .... a lot ...
 
... or your code takes time to compile...
 
true that ;)
 
Zoe
you actually have time to do stuff while your code compiles?
 
12:27 PM
@CodyGray, Thanks, but the moderation announcement there only got like 30 views. Chat would have tumbleweeds blowing through it.
 
I have projects with many tens of thousands of lines of C++ code, and I never wait more than a minute or two for code to compile.
Long enough to switch to a SO tab....not long enough to justify how much time I spend there before I switch back.
@ouflak Fair enough.
 
user12867493
@ouflak Expats?
 
Zoe
I just -j 12 every single time I compile
 
Just wondering how you feel/felt about moderating a low-traffic as compared to SO. Yes, Expats.
 
user12867493
@ouflak I moderate Drones, even more low-traffic :)
 
12:30 PM
@Zoe Does that mean "run compilation on 12 cores"? Most compiles aren't really CPU-bound... And the slowest part is the link stage anyway.
@ouflak The honest answer is "not even comparable".
 
Interesting.... but elusive. Extrapolate?
 
Stack Overflow's Meta site gets more flags than almost any other SE site. Certainly vastly more than the smaller SE sites.
 
Mobile development can be really slow... you can easily get 5-10 minute breaks
 
@DalijaPrasnikar While Java's lovely "stop the world" garbage collector is running? ;-)
 
Zoe
@CodyGray Well, use 12 threads
My CPU has 6 cores, but two threads per core
 
12:32 PM
Yeah, HyperThreading. No real advantage. Again, compiles are I/O-bound, not CPU bound. SMT is definitely not helping you out there.
 
Hmm, do I just reply to the questionare?
or do I need to make a new post?
 
@Tschallacka Yes, post an answer to Catija's question
 
Zoe
Compile time without -j 12 when the entire tree ends up getting dirty would definitely give me time to do stuff on stack though ^^"
 
@ouflak The sheer volume of Stack Overflow makes it not even comparable. On smaller sites, you have time to do stuff like read and edit every incoming question, hold new users' hands, etc. SO mods don't do any of that. We don't even fool ourselves thinking that we try. We have a lot less tolerance for nonsense than other SE mods, just because of the scale.
An SO mod will handle the same number of flags in a single day what most SE mods will handle in a month.
SO mods will deal with situations on a regular basis that most SE mods never even see.
 
We have a new nomination! Please welcome our latest candidate Tschallacka!
5
 
12:34 PM
Ah well, it's a big city after all.
O yay
 
gulp I did it
Here's to critical questions inbound
 
@CodyGray "An SO mod will handle" - should handle, will is another story
 
user12867493
@CodyGray Out of SO's flags per day, what percentage of them are actualy helpful?
 
@Nick No. I meant will. You can complain all day long about how your individual flags aren't handled fast enough or whatever, but it's not like we sit around ignoring them.
@Daniil No idea. A lot.
 
user12867493
Are there really 2000 flag worthy posts/comments a day?
 
user12867493
12:36 PM
Where do all those flags come from?
 
@Daniil Absolutely. There are actually far more.
And remember that "recommend closure" flags don't go to mods. So this doesn't even include those.
 
@CodyGray Sorry when was Baum last active?
 
@Nick Yeah. Some mods have taken a break. You might have heard that folks are unhappy with things. Also we're in a worldwide pandemic.
 
@CodyGray How many are "thank you" comments ;)
 
#allofthem
except for the me too
 
12:38 PM
@DalijaPrasnikar A few. A large proportion of the daily flags are NLN flags on comments. But not all of those are "thanks" comments, of course. Perhaps half? Not sure. Remember that most short "thanks" comments are auto-deleted with a single flag.
"Thanks" and "me too" answer (NAA) flags are popular...
@Tschallacka I notice you omitted the animated GIF... While I wouldn't suggest inlining it, a link wouldn't be out of place.
 
@Daniil Imagine everyone casting 100 flags. This is 700 per user per week. :)
 
user12867493
@E_net4likesmanythings I doubt many use 100 flags per day
 
Yeah. I mean, I've shared this number before on Meta multiple times recently, so it's not secret information or anything. Just to give you an idea, over the last month (not calendar month, but 30-day period), SO has averaged > 2700 flags per day.
 
200, if you count comment flags.
 
Over that same time period, SO mods have deleted about 30k comments and deleted well over 10k posts.
Most of those in response to flags, but not exclusively.
This site redefines the word "scale".
 
12:46 PM
@CodyGray the link is in the text :-) ta scenario ensues and I arrive with my pizza’s to the room on fire.
 
Does anyone here remember how many mods there are on SO?
 
21
 
@Tschallacka Ack! Sorry, I somehow missed it.
 
Who are the active moderators, bot?
 
no problem :-)
 
12:48 PM
Who are the current moderators?
 
The current 36 moderators are: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,
13
 
Zoe
who are the active moderators?
 
lol
 
Zoe
xd
 
Well, that's new and surprisingly broken.
It's dead, @SamuelLiew.
 
Zoe
12:48 PM
cough cough @SamuelLiew cough
 
@CodyGray Did you say 21 mods deletes 40,000 posts daily?
 
Nope - The bot has just announced your forthcoming erasure.
 
@AnnZen That can't be right
 
@AnnZen No, over 40k pieces of content over 30 days
 
@AnnZen 40k posts in the past 30 days. Except that currently only about 70% of the mods are active. The other 30% have marked themselves as "inactive" for various reasons. So it's not even been all 21 mods actively moderating over the past month.
 
12:51 PM
@Nick So it's 1,200,000 pieces of content over 30 days.
 
R.I.P. @ElectionBot, 2020/07/06-2020/07/07
 
Sorry, I updated my answer. It's actually 40k pieces of content in the past 30 days. I misread your original question.
 
@AnnZen Yes, that's what I'm talking about. "Over that same time period" == the past 30 days
Oh darn
I see why that's confusing.
Sorry
It's so late for me that it's the next morning. ;-)
 
@CodyGray the lack of nominations and the fact they've been going down in time has clearly put it in a pessimistic mood and it's extrapolating?
 
12:54 PM
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Zoe
The bot is pessimistic?
'tmust be alive
I for one welcome our robotic overlords :p
 
He changed it from using the API to scraping the mod page, obviously made a mistake doing it though
 
@Nick So, what you're saying is, this is your fault?
 
@CodyGray Nahhhhh
I did give alternative options :p
we even had it working
 

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