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6:00 PM
I would have done but Dharman's so keen to get going he's already deleted that font...
 
Zoe
oh, good. That font is awful
 
it's the classic meme font (?)
 
@JonClements Dharman is perfect comments:"you only have 100 flags..." correction: "100 for post and 100 for comments" (and the nominee manages to use them all up !!! Amazing...)
 
user13149581
Is there an easy way to get some created/deleted content ratio by user?
 
No
 
Zoe
6:07 PM
No
 
@bad_coder I stand suitably abashed :)
 
user13149581
Is there a hard way?
 
@JonClements HAHAHAHAHA just beautiful... :'D
 
Zoe
Should've used zsh :blobthinksmart:
 
@Harpistry Technically...yes, if you bribe someone at SE. Practically, no. Deleted content isn't in SEDE, which makes querying it for non-employees impossible.
 
6:09 PM
@bad_coder I don't use all of them each day. I use most of them. I think on average I use 150-180 flags.
 
@Dharman I managed two use 80-90, maybe once or twice...
 
And I was proud to use 50 on a day :D
 
I automated part of the process.
 
Zoe
I've managed to use 200, the vast majority of which were cast manually :')
 
@Zoe You found the time to do that between emojis? :p
 
user12867493
6:11 PM
@Dharman How? I always think it's a pain flagging all the thanks comments...
 
Zoe
that was back when I was more motivated to do it tho
 
@Dharman Ooooooh. How? I am always interested in more automation. :)
 
@Daniil That is the easiest think to automate. They are so bountiful and easily searchable. You can use SEDE query or an API.
 
user12867493
@Dharman I know, it's just you have to open so many tabs and it's a pain to wait the 5 seconds between each comment
 
Automation can wait 5 seconds for you :) Flag via the API.
 
6:13 PM
@Andy I have a batch job that deletes 80 comments each day from a year ago. There is no reason to have "Thanks it worked" for longer than a year.
 
Nice. Found via API searches?
 
@Andy exactly. I was doing it manually at first, but it was painful to wait 5 seconds so I started using API
yes
 
user12867493
@Andy How?
 
user12867493
Is there a script for it?
 
No, you have to write one.
 
user12867493
6:15 PM
Then how do you do it? @Dharman
 
I wrote one.
 
@Daniil general process Ctrl+F "flag" here for how to use the API to flag
Are you just looking for "thanks" @Dharman or is there more to it?
 
user12867493
@Dharman Can I have yours? :)
 
I try to keep audit log, so if you want to see which comments I flag automatically you can check at bot.dharman.net/comments.txt
@Daniil I am not releasing it as of now. Maybe at some point in the future
In comparison to Andy I didn't teach a machine. I only told it what I wanted to flag and it does it for me
 
Are the other flags, on questions/answers, automated somehow or are those manual?
 
Zoe
6:22 PM
Open-source ftw
 
user12867493
@Zoe What?
 
@Andy Yes, I have a separate bot for NAA and I am also logged in to autoflagger in SD
 
We have a new nomination! Please welcome our latest candidate Machavity!
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Alrighty, one last question @Dharman . How will you adjust to less automation once you are a moderator, since mods should not be running bots under their accounts
 
@Andy I will handle existing flags. I will probably stop my bot, or use a separate account like you.
 
Zoe
6:30 PM
@Machavity oh no, you delete stuff too? How horrible :P
@JonClements ^^^
 
Those pesky people that run bots to flag comments and become mods, hey @Andy? :p
 
@Zoe From time to time. I think I might have closed a thing or two as well
 
O:-)
 
Zoe
Gasp! :P
 
Incidentally, I know about the error in my mod nomination. I get a 500 error trying to edit
 
6:34 PM
@Machavity "I regularly work with others in moderation activities and I'm not" seems like it may be missing a word or two
 
@RyanM It should read "I regularly work with others in moderation activities and I'm not afraid to take criticism"
 
Am I supposed to start a discussion or will the candidate say hello to whoever joins the room?
 
I am AFK for the next 2 hours. I will reply when I come back
 
@ArdentCoder Hello
 
@Dharman No problem, I'm just having fun here
@Machavity You are not a room owner here haha you can't kick me
 
Zoe
6:43 PM
no, but there are a lot of mods :eyes:
 
ducks as half a dozen diamonds take swings
 
that's potentially only a temporary problem if Machavity's nomination goes well...
 
@ArdentCoder since you're not going to do anything that means you should be kicked - that doesn't matter, right? :p
 
Zoe
Do the mods use their diamonds as swords or something?
 
6:44 PM
@RyanM Won the reply
 
There's few things in this world more embarassing that being kicked by a three-legged dog
 
@Zoe I think that's a minecraft thing? :p
 
@Machavity I didn't understand that quote, how would you explain it to a non-English speaker?
 
Zoe
No, that's using several diamonds to make a sword :P
~~and a stick, but that's so 1930's~~
 
@Zoe I wouldn't know... I think I've only lasted about 5 minutes in survival mode :)
 
6:46 PM
@ArdentCoder Sorry. It's a bit of an inside joke. Jon's avatar is a dog with 3 legs
 
Zoe
^^
 
haha
 
@Machavity puppy - sheesh!
 
I miss petting random dogs...darned pandemic :'(
 
Zoe
puppy, dog, basically all the same :p
 
6:47 PM
@JonClements Does not seem to be the guy who likes to kick users, he's the one who removes review bans when needed :D @Machavity How would you handle a complaint about review ban?
 
@JonClements ninja? Wut?
 
oh no... I've been found... my ninja skills must be dwindling!
 
Zoe
@Machavity Ninja?
 
@ArdentCoder Ironically, I'd be inclined to reverse it provided it wasn't egregious. Sam was generous with people who posted on Meta about their Triage bans
If you're asking about it, you generally want to know why so you don't make that mistake again
 
@ArdentCoder Seems like a good question for all the candidates as it's (unfortunately) something that turns up now and then...
 
6:50 PM
@Machavity Cool. What frustrates you the most in this site?
 
I wonder if there's a (proven) correlation between getting elected as moderator and being active in SOCVR
 
Zoe
Eh, kinda sorta
People who are active tend to be active in organized forms of moderation, which tends to be SOCVR
and SOBotics, and Charcoal, but mostly SOCVR
 
and try to avoid feeling you have to compete with War and Peace length wise on AD's question abuot what frustrates you about the site @Machavity :)
 
@akuzminykh Our alumni include Bhargav, Jean, and Baum oof the top of my head. Jon and Cody found us after getting diamonds
 
@JonClements Yeah.. I don't have problems with review bans but mods should be willing to explain the reason. My recent one was not justified by the mod's message but someone from bad review chat helped me explain it. He also said that mods may not have time to explain things, so I just asked @Machavity how he would go about it :P
 
6:59 PM
@Zoe yeah, that makes sense
 
Zoe
@Zoe people who are active in moderation*
and finally, the people who are active in moderation are more likely to run for mod
I don't sleep enough :')
 
@ArdentCoder I never saw eye-to-eye with Shog9 on . Honestly, I'd love to make it a synonym of or something similar, but it's probably not feasible
 
@Machavity I'll reply if someone translates it to me lol
 
@ArdentCoder I don't like bad tags. That's the gist there
 
@Machavity Why didn't you moderate English SE?
 
7:04 PM
@Machavity what is Shog's position?
 
@Machavity jk. Talking about tags, tag-edits relatively take a long time to be reviewed, what's your say on this?
 
9
A: Blacklist the [seo] tag

Shog9The problem isn't that the SEO tag is bad. The problem isn't even that folks keep asking SEO questions in it. The problem is that folks keep asking SEO questions on Stack Overflow. Some of them don't even use the tag. But that does not significantly improve the questions. So... We could ensure...

It's a "problem child" tag. Constantly gets off-topic questions
 
ah, yes. glares at
 
Wait... people are allowed to disagree with Shog?
 
What is this, heresy hour?
 
7:10 PM
@Catija I think it's like a three-strikes sort of thing, where on the third disagreement you get smited for being clearly wrong.
 
@RyanM Nah. He'd give you 9 strikes, then ban you
 
>.<
 
One of those rare moments where the CM stick was wielded with clarity
 
did not need to be reminded of Mos today
 
Zoe
@Mithical yes, hello fellow heathen!
 
7:12 PM
@Mithical I didn't know you were involved
 
I tried to moderate the room at times (being at the time a chat mod and active SFF user). It didn't tend to work too well
 
I was involved, too.
:P
 
you caused trouble?
 
@RyanM Hmmm.
 
@rene Not as much as one other room owner of a different room
 
7:16 PM
@rene I was trying to get them to shut up and get out. I wasn't a mod at the time so I couldn't just kick them.
Have y'all seen this tweet about GH vs reddit vs SO?
 
Yeah, there are rooms where that doesn't work out.
 
Needed a bigger stick.
 
@rene Even where that does work out, needs patient and understanding room owners.
 
Who were they supposed to be patient and understanding towards?
 
7:20 PM
@Catija could be the start of good bar joke ...
 
Bar of soap?
 
Zoe
A GH issue, a reddit thread, and an SO question walks into a bar...
 
@Catija Hypothetical scenario, I'm not sure if it has already happened
 
@Zoe Sorry, I don't click on your links. They're usually rickrolls. :P
 
7:20 PM
Ah, yes that bar .... ;)
 
@Zoe I thought the same thing lol
 
Zoe
For once, it's not a rickroll :D
 
@rene Yeah, but some should stay away from such bars where people can't take jokes
 
7:21 PM
@ArtOfCode I'm gonna remove those italics...
 
@Machavity unless the question is about Bash scripting
 
Zoe
And while I'm at it, visited links to SO explained in a song: youtube.com/watch?v=qYS0EeaAUMw (still not rick :D)
 
@Catija that sounds like success to me :P
 
How do you spoof the hover URL?
 
Read it very carefully
 
7:22 PM
it's stackoverf-i-ow
 
yeah, I had to look about three times before I figured out what you did. well played.
 
:/
 
I love that site. No idea who keeps it going, but I'm so glad they do.
 
Zoe
@Catija You don't
@Mithical I was wondering why it wasn't loading ^^
(stackoverfiow doesn't use https, so it silently fails to load because of HTTPS Everywhere)
 
@Machavity Huh... I actually wonder... the website they link to on their profile was created by a network mod.
 
7:30 PM
@Catija There's plenty of them out there if you know them. I mean you can have some serious fun with them
 
Har har.
 
@Catija PAP has a different account... unless he has a second
 
People have lots of Twitter accounts.
:D
 
Sock puppets on Twitter... should sue them for trademark infringement or something
 
Sometimes I think about having a twitter alt.
 
7:33 PM
Dogija?
 
That would probably be too obvious.
 
And hard to pronounce
 
@Machavity great seeing a known name running again. This time it'll be easier: I'm no longer in the competition :)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I appreciate the kind words :)
 
@Machavity Is this not your first election?
 
7:47 PM
I can't be kinder in public it would be favoritism
 
Zoe
@ArdentCoder Machavity ran last year too
 
This year he's walking; that may develop into a mild trot, though.
 
So did Zoe. Seems like such a different time too
 
Machavity is also a mod at DIY (another SE site).
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I am?
 
7:48 PM
LOL
 
Well, last time I checked... but I may be wrong.
 
Zoe
@Machavity it was a different time :')
 
Maybe I should have checked then...
Well even if you're elected here, you'll have to keep wearing that helmet, because no more moderator swag....
 
That avatar looks like an angry bob the builder
 
I did run for DIY mod, but I didn't quite make it
 
7:51 PM
@ArdentCoder Do you know what they call Bob the Builder, now that he's been fired?
 
Sorry for reviving that old wound then.
 
@AdrianMole LOL
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Sok man. I'm flattered you even remember I ran
 
@Machavity didn't every SOCVR member ran ? :)
 
Well, Dharman tossed his hat in this year. I'm curious if anyone else from the room throws in
 
7:56 PM
^^ Just watch out for voting rings. ;-P
 
Dharman is certainly a serious contender.
 
Zoe
There's still a 66% chance of winning atm :p
 
If we see the names a lot in the flag queue, it's generally a good sign (I mean as the flagger)
 
67%
 
Voting last year was hard. We had a bumper crop of good folks running
 
7:57 PM
You said it :)
 
Zoe
66.66666666... technically, but details schpetails
 
by design, yes
 
If it ain't broke then it ain't floating-point.
 
Nah. We'll just round that sucker up and call it good
 
7:58 PM
@rene If there's a flaw in some design, why not correct it or build a new one?
 
Somebody has come up with a new design. Can't remember what it's called, though.
 
Zoe
BigDecimal?
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre If the people in charge know your name, you're either doing everything great or failing spectacularly. ?
 
Not that. It's a new system using 64-bit representation, IIRC.
 
Zoe
long double?
 
8:00 PM
@Catija okay but I validated a lot of flags for those 2
Let's wait for another candidate to solve the rounding issue.
 
@Zoe You've made too many incorrect guesses, come back in 8 days to start again.
 
@Zoe you'll run out of bits sooner or later.
 
Zoe
@ArdentCoder sudo grant-more-guesses
 
Is the bot still working?
 
@Zoe Somebody called Gustafson.
 
8:02 PM
what is my candidate score
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre sorry, you already have a diamond!
 
why are you sorry? Having a diamond is great!
 
@Zoe abort();
 
... that's not fair. Just because you have a diamond already doesn't mean you don't want to try again.
 
I could resign then nominate myself. That would be a real bold move.
 
8:03 PM
@ElectionBot Aren't you a bot?
 
Zoe
@Jean-FrançoisFabre you can nominate yourself as a mod :p
 
user12867493
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Will you?
 
Zoe
@ArdentCoder Cannot abort; PID doesn't belong to user
 
I think I'll pass. Last election was really exhausting. And that covid shit wasn't there to put even more pressure on our lives.
 
moderator positions available: 2 3
 
8:05 PM
@Zoe uncaught exception
 
@Machavity with 3 positions it's too easy.
 
I agree
 
Zoe
@AdrianMole 9 QUADRILLION NaNs?! I'm surprised floating point isn't falling apart xd
still though, looks a lot like BigDecimal, which happens to be arbitrary precision decimal numbers
 
Yes, but some NaNs are more not-a-numberish than others.
 
I'm not a robot, I'm a human being
 
8:09 PM
Bless.
 
Zoe
uh, what?
 
@Machavity You still having trouble editing your nomination>
 
Zoe
@ElectionBot but do you pass the turing test?
 
@ElectionBot What is 12 + 22?
 
@Catija I tried again after 10 mins or so and it went through. But I got 3x 500 errors before posting on Meta
 
8:10 PM
Ugh. OK. I wonder what happened.
 
Wild guess: Caching issues.
 
Zoe
I think it's been well-established that it's usually HAProxy's fault :p
 
isn't the answer always 42?
 
Normally I'd guess the same, but the page does a true raw POST, which is by definition never cached
 
Zoe
lmao, that's sneaky :D
 
8:12 PM
@Machavity A major gripe I have, and my major criticism of you, is your willingness to take criticism. Can you fix that?
 
We apparently don't cache things any more.
 
News flash: Stack Overflow is out of cache
 
out of cash for swag too
 
@AdrianMole No :P
 
Still, everyone's a critic.
 
Zoe
8:13 PM
more sales personnel then
 
@Machavity one thing that struck me was this: Why not me

I close things. A lot of things. I might delete them too.
It's like saying: my worst weakness: perfectionnism :)
Specially because deleting things where you're a mod is necessary.
 
@ElectionBot You mean 4^2*2+2?
 
Machavity in a job interview: What would you say your worst quality is? I'm too good at this job.
 
Well, last year I had two criticisms lobbed at me. 1. I downvote too much (comes with the territory) and 2. Too many people were focused on closing
 
8:16 PM
@IanCampbell The fact that you are looking for tricky answers to that shows lack of honesty. Lol now you edited to prefix your question with "Machavity"
 
Okay but when you don't downvote enough you also get criticism
 
When I interview people for a position, I never ask tacky questions like that.
 
Well now you do. And I give credit to Dharman for trying to spark a renaissance there
And I still downvote for deletion. Get that stuff gone
 
ElectionBot doesn't care much about power
 
8:19 PM
That bot seems to be a human
 
Zoe
aw, no skynet situation?
 
But I did realize that I downvoted a lot and seldom upvoted. I made it a point to upvote when I found useful things
 
user13149581
@Zoe I'm quite sure @ElectionBot isn't written in COBOL
 
@Harpistry FORTRAN
 
JAVASCRIPT
 
8:22 PM
DNA
 
Zoe
JS, Cobol, Fortran, basically the same thing ;p
 
BotLingo++
 
someone did a good job on this. We were fed up answering the same questions about the election over and over again.
 
@ElectionBot h
... Just checking xD
 
8:26 PM
@ElectionBot What will you do after the election?
 
Fourth candidate (sixth?)
Election Bot is a bit slow?
 
TravisJ ran last year
 
We have a new nomination! Please welcome our latest candidate Travis J!
2
 
🚽
 
Is that a toilet?
 
Zoe
8:28 PM
@Catija rate limiting :')
 
> U+1F6BD : TOILET
 
@Zoe That was a 16 minute gap. I don't think there's a chat rate limit that does that? Or are you talking about an API rate limit?
 
Zoe
there's lots of rate limits though
iDunno tho
 
poor @TravisJ thought that I would only do 1 comment ... sorry .
TravisJ is a strong candidate imo.
 
@rene we demand a show of pushups or similar to prove that this is the case
 
8:41 PM
You can ask that. I watch from behind the tree
 
wim
@ElectionBot alive?
 
> Besides, I am not that old, come on 🤣🤣
:D
 
i mean
that's relative
 
Yeah, y'all are ancient
 
8:49 PM
hey :/
 
*ancient compared to most flowers
 
Zoe
@Mithical says you :P
 
I mean.... yeah
 
9:21 PM
@Machavity What convinced you to nominate yourself now? Were you planning on running no matter what?
 
Zoe
y'all deserve honorary diamonds for actually running in the current climate, whether you win or not
3
 
10:01 PM
@Dharman I could ask you the same. When I saw an open field this morning I started the Meta questionnaire, but I wound up busier than normal
Either way, it's always good to see fellow SOCVR folks running
We stacked the deck last year with 5 regulars
 
I didn't have time until now to write up the nomination and questionnaire.
 
I don't know I can do much about diamonds for people who don't win but I can send a sticker or two if they want.
Not as good as a t-shirt but we haven't sent those to nominees in years.
 
Still have Charcoal stickers or nah?
 
Maybe 2-3.
 
FWIW I did the 2018 Stuff-a-way
 
10:11 PM
I think I have a few each of Charcoal and SOBotics.
Art has most of them.
 
@Mithical Art does
Just got a batch yesterday
 
along with a bunch of Codidact stickers
 
The printer Art used makes good stickers.
 
I think I still have some unused from when you and Art coordinated with them
 
Ah, simpler times. Two years ago... :D
 
10:16 PM
I remember you doubting where I lived because I gave you a totally different address for shipping :D
 
Only until you explained that you don't trust me and expected my missive to go through a third party. ;)
 
bwahaha
Let's just say I'm more comfortable giving out my grandmother's address than my own. (:
 
That... leaves me questioning how much you like your grandmother. :P
 
:}
(Everything that comes in the mail from overseas gets slit open. Everything.)
 
How can one retract room access requests?
 
10:21 PM
By a robot 10ft away
 
@AnnZen you can't, but it does no harm to just leave it there
 
@AnnZen You probably can't. In all seriousness, they time out in 6 months or so
 
@ElectionBot Enumerate Nominations
 
We move a lot of stuff in SOCVR, which sends those to everyone... and then we have to explain they don't need access to those rooms
So we just let them sit
 
@AdrianMole Nomination Enumeration
@Machavity I get access requests to Trashcan every now and then, those are always fun
haven't checked on those in a while...
 
@ArtOfCode definitely let that one person in
what harm could it do
 
obviously
y'know, other than the messages that get moved there from all the other private rooms on the network...
 
I assume you know which one I'm referring to. ;)
 
how could I not
David Jones, obviously
 
10:27 PM
I knew we were missing an expected nomination...
 
@JonClements Who are we expecting?
 
No one... just a hat tip to Art and Mith :)
 
:)
To be fair, haven't heard hide nor hair of them for some time now
 
Anyway... now I've remembered to mute messengers and stuff... I'll go back to bed before I wake up properly...
 
11:25 PM
Good morning
 
@SamuelLiew Good night :)
 
Who are the candidates?
 
Currently there are 4 candidates: Travis J, Machavity, Dharman, Tschallacka
 
It's 00:26 That is a very very early morning
 
Yes it is - a beautiful sunny day in Adelaide
 
11:27 PM
@Dharman Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.
 
Zoe
@Dharman I'd like to introduce you to timezones
 
I'll pass, Zoe
 
Zoe
They might look nice at first, but if you ever write code with it, you'll re-consider your life choices :')
 
11:42 PM
@Machavity I'm more concerned that you don't downvote enough, actually. Only 3,608 downvotes over all time, after being a member for just over 7 years? That's around 500 downvotes per year.
 
Which is ~2 downvotes per day. I love statistics.
 
@Dharman That's even worse!
 
@Dharman that statistic doesn't seem to include the time he needed to reach 125rep, could have been a long time :)
 
We can find out how long: stackoverflow.com/users/2370483/…. Just do some quick math.
 

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