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Zoe
10:00 AM
Shush ElectionBot
 
Be quiet election bot
 
Zoe
ElectronBot :blobthinksmart:
 
ElectronBot? Sounds like a super hero sidekick or something :p
 
Zoe
Sounds like something written in a certain shitty JS UI framework :')
 
⚡🤖
I love the windows emoji keyboard, i totally forgot it existed
 
Zoe
10:01 AM
The IBus one is better :squint:
 
😝
(squinting face with tongue)
 
Zoe
I thought I added the good emoji fonts xd
 
@Nick I bet you're wishing you still had that popcorn supply, eh?
 
@CodyGray I gave it to Zoe and she refused to give it back
 
Zoe
you said that was your second bag xd
 
10:05 AM
>.>
 
Would be a great time to be in the popcorn business.
2
 
Or the worst time... nothing's happening
 
Zoe
throws popcorn bag at Nick
 
\o/
 
Zoe
Nothing happening is a great time to eat popcorn :p
 
10:07 AM
@Nick If you had provided popcorn, I would be eating it. Then, something would be happening.
 
throws popcorn in the air
tosses handful of popcorn at Cody
The number of times me and popcorn are together in the meta room history is a bit... ummm.. yeah ^^
 
It helps when the phrase is in your user name
Or your gravatar, in my case. I'm frequently associated with "glasses".
 
That's only the case for the end of the first page and start of the second, it's just Nick A after that
 
well @Nick maybe you should open source your nomination text so more candidates can steal re-use it ...
 
My nomination text is in development
 
10:11 AM
@Nick "Popcorn for everyone!"
 
Zoe
:GWChadThinkEyes:
 
And at this rate winning will be smooth sailing...
 
I could write up an open-source set of responses for others to use. The trick would be finding people who agree with me.
 
Is there some required minimum amount of candidates, to make this an actual election?
 
@janw seats + 1
 
Zoe
10:13 AM
The election can't proceed if there's under 3 candidates
 
(I never expected to ask this question)
 
@CodyGray I rarely disagree with you FWIW
 
> As a co-mod of Nick, in the Meta discussion Discord server, I absolutely support Nick as a moderator for Stack Overflow, provided that as everyone involved has already lost their minds it can't get any worse.
 
Is there still only 1 candidate?
 
Alright
@Dharman No, 0
 
Zoe
10:13 AM
@Dharman no, there's 0
the first and only nominee got out before it was too late
 
What happened?
 
I assume they got talked down
 
Zoe
they retracted their nomination?
probably
 
What happened to our sports guy?
 
Unclear. They evidently self-retracted.
 
Zoe
10:14 AM
the last comment I saw explicitly said they weren't a good match
 
The sports guy also self-retracted.
 
@Mithical :thinking: not sure if should be offended or not
 
@Zoe, Is it that it can't proceed, or just that the nominations are automatically converted into moderators?
 
@Nick hint: yes
 
@ouflak It can't proceed
 
Zoe
10:15 AM
^
it just doesn't happen
 
@Mithical Honestly... still not sure lol
 
That's certainly different from the Beta sites then.
 
Zoe
I swear we'll end up with a USA in 2016 dilemma at this rate :')
 
Where we get the orange-faced clown?
 
Two nominees who are hated by everyone?
 
10:16 AM
No users have nominated themselves yet.
 
@Mithical Lol, trump not me
 
Zoe
well, probably one that's good and two that shouldn't get elected, soooo
lmao
 
Although I was half expecting that link to be a picture of Kanye
 
I think people are afraid of throwing their nominations in
 
10:18 AM
@Dharman Yes, what are you waiting for?
 
Zoe
there's more reasons to not run aside fear
 
Has my special invitation not yet arrived?
 
If I nominate myself as the only one everyone will pick on me.
 
Zoe
except that won't happen because the election will be canceled if there's under three candidates :')
 
I'm still wondering if I won't get run off the site. I even posted that possibility in the announcement on the site where applied. That would be a shame. I rather do like this place.
 
Zoe
10:20 AM
and there's at least two people waiting to nominate to see if there's other people who are going to run or not
 
@Dharman People are going to pick on you anyway. That's how moderator works.
 
If you want to make an informed decision on who to vote for, you can read the candidates' answers in the election Q & A
 
I think Dharman might be referring to the fact that people watching the election are probably quite eager to see a candidate so they can start commenting stuff :p
 
@Dharman from yesterday the 1st candidate was bombarded with comments.
 
@Zoe I thought we <3 people who code?
 
10:20 AM
ok, then I will try to write some pep talk. Maybe I can get people to nominate themselves
 
Zoe
@CodyGray we less than three people who code?
 
No Zoe, at least 3!
 
@Zoe Wouldn't that mean it's OK to have less than 3 candidates?
 
Zoe
No, that's <=3
 
@Dharman so if you decide to step forward be prepared not to haste responding to comments.
 
10:21 AM
...that's a different thing, @Zoe....
 
I think you'll find it's >=3 xd
 
@Zoe get that out of here :D
 
Zoe
What? xd
 
@Dharman after the initial 4 comments the nominee would hardly have time or space to reply to anything.
 
Geez Cody, get your head out of the gutter
 
10:21 AM
Maybe the first nomination should be comment-locked?
 
Zoe
I think you're forgetting how many nominations are there?
 
No... we want the electorate to be able to engage with the candidate...
 
Zoe
oh come on electionbot xd
how many nominations are there?
 
@Dharman umm... that'd be good... I wouldn't want to resort to: "hey guys... you know how you like the ability to walk? Well... I'm so glad you're nominating yourself in the election... tap on the shoulder" :p
 
Sure, but does the electorate have to engage with them instantly?
 
Zoe
10:22 AM
yes
 
@ouflak That's kinda the point of a nomination. Why would we want to prevent that?
 
Couldn't it wait 24 hours?
 
@Dharman I don't know, but that nominee who gets all the attention centered on him should have some prerogative in getting comments sorted by the CM so he case layer his responses 1 by 1
 
@JonClements look puppy not everyone is as obsessed with walkies
 
@JonClements Is that how you lost one of your legs? You were too sluggish to nominate yourself?
 
10:24 AM
walkies? Who said walkies? I love walkies... where's walkies, wanna go walkies... who said walkies... /me runs around in circles...
 
Zoe
@Mithical Yeah! Some of us are more obsessed with running! >:C
 
@Zoe with zero nominations, we get "divide by zero error"
 
@ouflak If you can't handle people piling on to complain about you, you probably shouldn't be a mod. ;)
 
Why do you all keep misspelling waffles?
 
Zoe
@Mithical under 3k
 
10:25 AM
@bad_coder No, we get Null Pointer Exception
 
@Zoe there's like an infinite amount of pressure on attention right now since none is there to have it applied to himself.
 
I don't think the piling on will be avoided. But that first nominee, man was he wrung the wringer....
 
@Zoe I'm referring to locking comments under nominations. It's a trial-by-fire kinda thing.
 
@Dharman hahahahaha that's good :D
 
Zoe
@Mithical I know
 
10:25 AM
waffles? Who said waffles? I love waffles... where's waffles, wanna eat waffles... who said waffles... /me runs around in circles...
 
I think you can still see the outlines of some of the comments burned into the nominee page.
 
Zoe
oh, nice
 
@JonClements I'm actually eager to get to know the chap by his writing more than writing anything myself. (ok in "chap" something gender netural.)
 
Naturally, this doesn't include comments that have been deleted, since those are not public.
Nothing there is even close to "grilling".
Half of the comments are encouraging; the other half are pointing out potential concerns, that need to be brought up anyway.
 
10:29 AM
I agree. Some critical ones, but that is to be expected, and quite some support. Don't know about removed comments of course
 
I was just joking as a reference to the fact that he's now gone, and no one else has been nominated.
 
We didn't have to remove anything bad. There was one (which I can mention, because it was already discussed in this room's transcript) that was essentially recommending someone else nominate. That's obviously inappropriate underneath a different user's nomination. But even that wasn't rude.
 
Oh yeah, I saw that one, it was essentially identical to a former chat post, and completely out of place
 
Zoe
The comments usually aren't bad at the start
the people complaining about vote ratios didn't start showing up 'til the second phase last year
 
@Zoe I remember one particular comment on your nomination last year that bothered me...
 
Zoe
10:34 AM
yeah, that's been sorted out since. Long story
 
Aware, I was there when it was addressed publicly :p
 
Zoe
The underlying concern still stuck around for a while. That was handled about half a year ago
no it wasn't
it's july xd
 
Hi, everyone
 
Hello o/
 
Zoe
henlo
 
10:37 AM
Can somebody with reputation < 10k be nominated for moderator election ?
 
Zoe
you need 3k
 
Yes, 3k is the minimum
 
Zoe
and 4 specific badges
 
I have already
 
You do not have the convention badge and so aren't eligible to run
 
10:38 AM
Oh
 
I can't track the convention badge in my profile :(
 
You can find the full requirements in the Candidacy Criteria section of the election page
 
@AnishB. just type "what is my candidate score" to check your eligibility to nominate yourself in the election
 
Zoe
It's not hard tho
 
@Zoe It might be in 6 days
 
10:39 AM
Do I need to involve in meta for this badge ?
 
@AnishB. Yes, it involves meta participation
 
Zoe
@Nick I meant it's not hard to track
 
10 posts, each >= 2 score
 
Zoe
If you have under 10 posts on meta, you don't have the badge. The rest is super easy to check
 
@SamuelLiew where to type
 
Zoe
10:40 AM
@AnishB. here
 
Just as a message in here
 
what is my candidate score
 
@AnishB. You are not eligible to nominate yourself in the election as you are missing the required badges: Deputy, Convention. If you really must know, your candidate score is 11 (out of 40).
 
Zoe
"if you really must know", oof
not the best phrasing
 
@SamuelLiew It works
 
10:41 AM
Yeah, that should be changed to a more...welcoming...wording ;)
 
Mark Uberstein - talked 3015d ago that's impressive @MarcUberstein
 
@Nick Wrong room?
 
@CodyGray yeah, but taken together comments pointing out concerns are quite sharp, and they do form a barrage. It's a lot of scrutiny concentrated on a single person. And the nominee is publicly called into question, by a group which is a tough position to be in. (There were nearly 20 question in little over 2 hour yesterday)
 
No, they just joined
 
Zoe
@bad_coder yeah, but that's still not a lot compared to the later phases of the election
even just the next phase involves thousands of interactions
 
10:42 AM
The next phase is the election at 2020-07-13 20:00:00Z (in 6 days).
 
Zoe
shush you xd
 
@bad_coder Yes... That happens when you nominate yourself for any type of public position. It's expected and even good. As has been mentioned before in here, if you can't stand some public scrutiny after your nomination, then you definitely won't be able to handle the scrutiny that comes with processing flags, deleting posts, and doing everything else that mods do.
 
@Zoe I'm looking forward to being around and seeing how things go. [I didn't realize the number of interactions from looking at past elections.]
 
A lot of the interactions also happen in the answers to the questionnaire on meta.
 
Zoe
there's easily hundreds of comments, and literally thousands who vote. The bulk of voting happens in the last phase, but interactions ramp up the longer the election progresses
 
10:44 AM
Again, the existing mod crew tries to moderate those to keep them constructive, but there's naturally going to be a lot of scrutiny and questioning.
 
@Zoe that's going to be a handful to moderate and organize...
 
Better to have a election for thank you reaction. I saw nobody seem to be interested about reaction in these couple of days. XD
 
Zoe
Most of it doesn't require moderation
 
@Zoe give me a "feel" when you were a candidate how many commenters did you reply to directly? Like 50? Like 100?
 
@Zoe Oh well. This sounds quite stressful
 
Zoe
10:46 AM
@bad_coder I have no idea. There were a lot at least
 
@bad_coder you can just have a look at the last election: stackoverflow.com/election/11
 
Zoe
there was also quite a bit in chat
 
@Zoe 3
But it was the same person multiple times mostly :p
 
Is it expected to be around most of the time then?
 
That's public?
 
10:47 AM
(on the Q&A post)
 
Frankly, you can't and probably shouldn't even try to respond to each and every comment. A lot of them are going to raise similar concerns. You should address those concerns in your nomination post and/or your answers to the questionnaire on Meta (the nomination post is severely character-limited, so you probably can't address many of the concerns there).
The reason you want to do this is so that everyone can read it, without having to scroll through hundreds of noisy comments.
 
Who is going to win this year's election ?
 
Potentially nobody
 
Zoe
No one at this rate xD
 
@JonClements I looked at those but they must have been heavily redacted in the meanwhile...
 
10:47 AM
Potentially 2 other people
 
@CodyGray Do you know the exact limit?
 
@bad_coder very little, if anything, is ever removed regarding elections
 
@Dharman I don't remember, no. I remember having a big problem with it when I tried to nominate. I had to rewrite my nomination a dozen times trying to shorten it. But... I have that problem with most character limits on this site.
 
Zoe
@Nick keep in mind that there's comments in other places :')
 
@Zoe I know, that's why I clarified
 
Zoe
10:49 AM
/shrug
 
I've just tried nominating myself and copying rubbish into the nomination box... it's a min of 150 characters and after that you get 1050 left... so it has to be between 150 and 1200 characters it seems
 
Zoe
yeah
It's way too short xd
 
If somebody comes with a comment "I keep the community clean by closing the unrelated question asked" in this election. Will the community vote ? XD
 
@Zoe Which is another benefit of the questionnaire - more waffling space.
 
@AnishB. Some people will, but probably not many
 
Zoe
10:51 AM
more what space?
 
waffling
 
Zoe
!urban waffling
 
> speak or write at length in a vague or trivial manner.
 
(actually a british term)
 
10:53 AM
Definitely not exclusively British.
Used on this side of the pond, too.
 
Not exclusively no
 
You're just claiming that you guys invented it?
 
Typical of the British, claiming everything as their own.
 
@Cody why not? For anything worthwhile it's probably the case... /me ducks and runs... :p
 
Just citing the dictionary that google provides
 
10:54 AM
LOL !! I got a Caucus badge by chatting in the election rooms. My good day.
 
@AnishB. No, you got that for visiting the election page
 
Yeah !!
 
@JonClements Not a fan of peanut butter, potato chips, chocolate chip cookies, or sunglasses, then?
 
Zoe
I mean, that badge is almost the embodyment of a participation trophy
 
What are potato ch.... ohhhh you mean crisps
 
Zoe
10:55 AM
"good job, you went to a page. Have a badge"
 
@CodyGray I always had a question. Why your profile pic is with glasses ?
 
Zoe
Why not?
 
It's to help him read
 
@AnishB. all the better see you with said Grandma? :p
 
10:55 AM
I'm awful, I just laughed at my own terrible joke
 
@Nick :newspaper2:
 
@AnishB. I wear glasses.
 
Zoe
@CodyGray to get that one, you at least have to scroll through the page
but there's no timer, so you can just autoscroll to the bottom in like <1 second for the badge
 
@CodyGray ... said the invisible man...
 
@CodyGray But you could give something different as well.
 
10:56 AM
@AnishB. Like what?
 
sits down and starts eating popcorn
 
a monocle?
 
@CodyGray A person with glasses.
 
I've actually considered changing my profile picture a couple of times recently, but it's been so long now that I'm afraid no one would recognize me!
 
@Nick needs more butter
 
10:57 AM
@JonClements I don't wear a monocle, though...
 
@Cody recognise who? :p
 
Zoe
@CodyGray Yet :p
 
When he puts the monocle on, he becomes Code Gary
 
haha
 
@Nick but he only does so inside a phone booth so that no-one realises he's actually Cody Gray?
 
10:59 AM
Once I searched for Mark Zuckerberg in this community for my curiosity. haha..
 

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