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2:18 AM
I like wine
 
I have a hard time getting into it
 
Diagnosing a memory failure :(
 
Looks like a computer
 
Cc @loltar
 
2:18 AM
@SterlingArcher wat?
 
Loltar
 
wtf?
 
@SterlingArcher tbh, if RAM is failing at this point, I wouldn't be doing anything myself
 
you're having issues with it??
 
I'd be calling Dell
 
2:19 AM
yeah you have a warranty dude ^^
how do you know it's a memory issue?
 
Doing shit yourself might give Dell an excuse to say "Uhhhh..you touched it, your problem now"
 
that's a very smol puter
 
If your PC isn't working, Dell will send a tech to you IIRC if you have a warranty
Just call them to send a tech and don't shoot yourself in the foot
 
@SterlingArcher did you run a full memtest?
 
hey also @SterlingArcher did you unplug that 12v connection?
right under the fan, bot left of the pic?
if so disregard, but if not, that should be plugged in
 
2:21 AM
That PSU is very long
 
nm looks like you unplugged it all heh
yeah that is along psu
 
Loltar
 
kind of funny, even my old dells (like pentium 3's) look similar inside
@ndugger it's loltard!
whats up dude?
 
Kektar
 
Kekistani tar
dangit @SterlingArcher we need answers!! lol
 
2:24 AM
has anyone tried natural fermenting kombucha?
 
Is there an unnatural fermenting variety?
 
Just letting tea sit out vs using existing cultures
 
oh interesting
I absolutely love tea
have never heard of this though tbh
 
I usually let my tea sit out for a few hours
I like my tea cold
 
I tried putting orange peels into a batch
But it grew mold
 
2:26 AM
haha sorry i was reseating the memory
Dell told me to do this
 
ahh ok
 
oh.
 
they're having you troubleshoot before sending it in eh?
what was the issue prior, like what happened?
 
@SterlingArcher does it start or...?
 
Dell is pretty good for Enterprise depending on account size. I was Dell warranty certified less than a year ago.
 
2:27 AM
@KamilSolecki no
 
oh random tidbit @SterlingArcher if you remember this, it's a good idea to open that up every month or so and blow it out/clean the dust
 
did you try removing different mem sticks
 
The power LED is flashing 2 ambers, which suggests a power supply issue
 
(Assuming it's mem related)
 
Wow.. that's uncommon for Dell products to just tank like that after such a short period of time..
 
2:28 AM
ah lame :/
 
I've always had good luck with Dell.
 
yeah that sucks, definitely not typical
 
Sorry that's happening to you dude.
 
but the silver lining is you didn't build it yourself
and you don't have to worry about individual part warranties
in addition trying to figure out on your own what the problem might be
that's a plus side of buying a prebuilt
 
Yeah, RMAing individual parts is a hell I wish on no person
 
2:29 AM
I should have a warranty, but I'll be bummed if I have to send it in
 
yeah you for sure have one, they come with a 1 year standard
 
At minimum you should have a 90 day, but I'm certain that Dell is like anyone else, 1 year.
^^ you fast
 
within the first X days, maybe 90? You have a window to buy more years (up to 3 iirc)
 
@SterlingArcher do you know anyone that could have a power supp to try? Surely you should find someone
That way you can confirm things
 
negative
 
2:30 AM
did you plug all the bits back in?
 
@SterlingArcher did it just start out of the blue? also ^
 
Is bios battery in
 
It just started, all on it's own, while he was eating some goldfish.
 
@Loktar as far as I know yeah, i left for the weekend and came home to this
 
ahh wtf
that sucks man
was it on when you left?
 
2:31 AM
He's offering to replace the entire tower which is cool, I just hate waiting
It was asleep I think
 
Maybe you got hit with a thunder
 
weird 😒 well hey man at least you're getting a new one, waiting totally does suck though I agree
but you're not out any money!
that's a plus
 
true I guess :(
 
wipe that drive
 
^
yeah for sure
well shit.. how can he
 
2:32 AM
got a hammer?
 
Write-zero, is your best option
 
I can't, but there's nothing personal on it. Just steam files
 
Sure you tell us that meanwhile
 
and your saved sessions for google, etc, i bet
 
just use a cloth
lol idk I wouldn't worry TOO much since at least you only had it a week, but if you could it would be good to do
would be nice if they'd just pop it in the new one tbh
 
2:34 AM
I mean there's nothing wrong with my drives. I wonder if they could pop in to the new tower
lmao I should replace my gfx card
> Gosh, I guess it shipped without one
 
LOL
 
what?
 
> umm sir.. can you please send us the gpu back as well
> no I never had one, I'm uhh actually blind so I didn't know I guess
 
> I played Overwatch by sound. As you may have guessed, my numbers are not that great.
 
lol
 
2:37 AM
I think the power supply blink code is the same as Mobo, but not certain. I think poorly seated memory has also thrown that code for me once or twice
 
I just reseated the memory though, so that really only leaves a mobo issue
7-10 days for a new tower, or 1-2 days for a in-home parts replacement service
 
Yep.. are you able to get into the diagnostic boot menu or nothing at all? Usually blink code === no display
 
no it wont boot at all
 
@SterlingArcher not bad, 1-2 days
just wonder wtf the issue is
 
well, 1-2 days once the parts are recieved apparently. Not sure what that means but I'm not happy
 
2:46 AM
PSU's usually just die out, they don't fail to the point where they will cause any sort of error code/lights and not start
oooh eh then I'd send it in man
I know 7-10 days suuucks, but at least then it wont be like "well these aren't the parts"
and then you have to wait another X days
 
Is it a 3020?
Or a precision?
 
@Loktar Back in the day i had a PSU fail and it burned that big ass connector that plugs into the motherboard :(
 
@david same
melted the plug to the mobo
back in the athlon xp days I want to say
 
sounds like the power supply got too good.
 
anyone around that knows JS and PHP?
 
2:49 AM
My favorite issue was when I had a PSU that would turn itself on even though the physical switch was set to off
 
lol that's just a ghost @KendallFrey
 
ectoplasm
 
Both
 
Sep 28 '15 at 20:55, by Kendall Frey
How exactly does the power switch on a PSU work? I was under the impression that if it was off, the PSU would output no power. Yet my computer started the reboot sequence while the switch was off (my case fans turned on, including the LEDs).
that was a frustrating day
 
Did you discharge the PSU?
$this in PHP always refers to the current object btw.
 
2:51 AM
no
replaced it asap
 
@KendallFrey dude that was my birthday
I was a wee lad then
only 33
 
I don't know how to react to that... Happy non-birthday I guess?
 
hahah that made me lol
thanks dude.
 
I'm biting the bullet, new tower. I'm not risking it in case something else is faulty and shorted the mobo or something
 
2:54 AM
Like, if someone says "it's my birthday" you say "happy birthday", but if someone says "X date was my birthday"? Like, there's no social protocol for that.
 
Dell is usually quality, I'm sure this was just a fluke. This sucks lol
 
@KendallFrey lol very true
 
I'm now remembering all the issues I've had with my computer, ick
 
@SterlingArcher good choice tbh, that's what I was worried about too
 
@KendallFrey PTPCD? :P
 
2:55 AM
eh what?
I assume you don't mean this
 
Post traumatic PC disorder
jesus no lol
 
The most frustrating issue I've had must be my wifi card that would freeze the system right after it booted, 90% of the time
 
I had one where if you accidentally static shocked it at all it would restart
god that was so annoying, like even USBs
 
> jason what are you doing
> nothing mom *zzt* oh no it restarted again
> it scared me so much my pants fell down
 
LOL
oh man such a great sound clip
> Nooo MOM I was scared!
 
aw damn wth
 
anyway i'm tired good night sleep tight don't let the zombies bite
 
see ya, heading out myself I guess
 
Night bros
 
night
 
3:06 AM
Dammit I'm going to have to reinstall everything >:(
 
You could go out somewhere, grab a drive, and mirror it
at worst you'd just need to reassign the windows installation to your new motherboard, which is often a simple call to microsoft tech suppot
If they give you a new MB
 
Not worth the effort, all it was is steam games lol
 
true dat
 
3:21 AM
You shouldn't have to.
The service tag is entered at boot and if the hard drive didn't fail, everything will work. Should be the same even with secure boot.
 
3:34 AM
how often do you guys just forget stuff? i forget html/css/javascript stuff all the time
 
Just make sure you know exactly how the this keyword works because it's 99% of the language even if you know how to use lambda expressions, the difference between == and === and the entire functional array and object libraries. This is all that matters lol
 
it's not all that matters, that's just how far you managed to make it through the questions. there were 12 iirc
 
Occasionally. Look at my crucifixion earlier over a question I didn't answer with a 0 or 1 level of precision earlier. I was taught it a long time ago, but a lot of stuff gets fuzzy when it's part of your working memory. You know it so well it's hard to be precise with q and a. That's why top scientists let TAs do that part of the work.
@david I'm being facetious.
 
4:20 AM
Hi ,What I need to know before react.js ?
 
@HussamAdil You can probably get by with just basic javascript/css/html
the more you know the more you will get out of it though. What are you wanting to use react for?
 
@MadaraUchiha that announcement looks like lawyer speak with no actual substance
but rather an autocratic order
 
4:49 AM
@ShrekOverflow It's a pretty bad move. It's essentially broadcasting that they're going to respond to any claims of non-inclusivity with massive knee-jerk reactions...
It's just going to encourage more people to come looking for things to be offended by so they can complain on twitter
it delegitimises actual complaints that have substance
 
@david 100% agree.
/me heads to bed.
 
@Loktar night
 
5:15 AM
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@Breathing Please don't post unformatted code - hit Ctrl+K before sending, use up-arrow to edit messages, and see the faq.
 
$('.date-time-picker').datetimepicker(options).on("changeDate", function (e) {
    var TimeZoned = new Date(e.date.setTime(e.date.getTime() +
                            (e.date.getTimezoneOffset() * 60000)));
    $(this).datetimepicker('setDate', TimeZoned);
});

How can I set my specific time zone?
that I want to use?
 
7:26 AM
What's going on on my youtube when I got this?
 
8:10 AM
BigInt primitives are coming to V8: developers.google.com/web/updates/2018/05/bigint
2
 
Yes, for a while :) And also to node
10000n ** 100000n is fun
Like it legit does 400K zeros reasonably
!!> 10000n ** 100000n
 
8:27 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
@BenjaminGruenbaum "SyntaxError: identifier starts immediately after numeric literal"
 
8:38 AM
^ ageism towards older versions of SpiderMonkey
 
8:50 AM
One of our new mods took another stab at this whole "unwelcoming" discussion. The way it's written is a little disappointing :-/
 
Too much caps
 
Among other issues
 
9:03 AM
yeah talk about panties in a bunch
 
That shows a dangerous inability to keep your cool in a professional setting and honestly it'd be terrifying to a new user.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum When can I say "I told you/them so"?
 
@towc Nice!
All that's really left now is decimals
 
Why would we need decimals?
Oh, you mean BigNumber, (arbitrary precision decimals)?
 
@Ikari never too much of @CapricaSix
 
9:12 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum In JavaScript?
 
@Neoares :D
 
@MadaraUchiha nvm, I thought you meant a specific representaiton
 
Because I count in base 10 and I'd like to be able to do arithmetics without .0000000000002 precision problems?
@BenjaminGruenbaum 👍
 
FWIW I don't think 0.0000002 is really such an interesting precision problem - the problem is more with scientific calculations that cascade and numerical stability issues
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum What do you mean? Equality is broken because 0.1 + 0.2 !== 0.3
You can't count on == or === when doing any sort of arithmetics with fractions
 
9:16 AM
@MadaraUchiha lol why do you count in base 10?
you peasant
 
@MadaraUchiha yeah but you normally don't anyway
That is, if you're actually comparing fractions for anything useful - you'd typically want to check if numbers are close and not equal since in real life things are rarely exactly equal
 
@Neoares ^
 
The probability of two random numbers in the [0, 1] range of real numbers being the same is 0 :D
 
uf
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum That's a self fulfilling prophecy, you don't and there's no code about it anywhere, because it's unreliable and doesn't work.
 
9:18 AM
good one
 
That's like saying "Why do you need == for strings in Java? Strings are instances of classes and they have .equals()"
 
@MadaraUchiha no, because measure is a thing in mathematics
 
@MadaraUchiha but then you added a thumb up emoji with 5 fingers, so I can asume you have 10 fingers in total
10 decimal fingers
 
@Neoares 11, if you're that alien.
 
@MadaraUchiha let's say you have a robot and the robot has a distance sensor that's pointed somewhere, you get 1.10001 in the first reading and 1.10002 in the second - did the robot move?
 
9:19 AM
no but you're a human
so
so...
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Who knows
Depends on how accurate my sensor is.
But that's a different use-case
 
@MadaraUchiha right, whatever is creating those numbers has a precision threshold too.
 
@MadaraUchiha isn't 12?
 
@Neoares 10 = 4, 11 = 5
 
Since you're not counting with numbers that aren't integers (technically there's transfinitic induction but fuck that) - you're measuring.
 
9:20 AM
oh
 
And measurements always have thresholds.
Which is why === for doubles (or decimals) without a way to specify an epsilon threshold doesn't make sense
If you had types to represent actual measurements === could work, a RobotDistanceSensorMeasurement type could well be aware of how === works on it - though the problem with that is units "cancel out", distance / distance is "untyped"
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum But we're not necessarily talking about measurements of anything.
Physics lessons teach you that everything has a precision and generally speaking, anything past the 3 significant digits is... well... insignificant.
But if I have money, and I have 1.2345B dollars vs 1.2346B dollars, that's a big chunk of money.
 
@MadaraUchiha right, but the problem there is precision and not equality.
You don't === on sums of money typically, you > or < - you check if you have enough money not if you have exactly as much as required
It's true that counting things and measuring them is both done with numbers, but they play a different role.
When I say measure, I mean measure - as in define a מידה, not as in "take some tape" :)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Sure, but then it leads so something like 0.30000000004 > 0.3 // true
You still have the same problem, even if it's not strictly when doing == or ===
 
@MadaraUchiha you're right, strict greater than is a problem and it's not great in general - I'm just saying === working isn't really an important use case (precise numbers are)
It's subtle and just a nuance really
 
9:50 AM
Hello
 
10:18 AM
A wild JeffAtwood appeared meta.stackoverflow.com/a/366989/1348195
 
So, what's up with that /ask page Jeff? — Benjamin Gruenbaum 4 mins ago
Damnit, beat me to it
 
inb4 Ben has 1 rep and doesn't come back to chat anymore
 
@MadaraUchiha It's in a master store. It's a reference to the Stores object, which has all the stores
So every store can talk to all the other stores if they need to
 
That smells like an anti pattern, but not necessarily
 
It was the best I could come up with at the time
 
10:29 AM
Generally one should avoid direct communication between view models / controllers, as that introduces some hard coupling
Inserting an intermediate layer (messaging pattern style) usually solves that nicely
 
wait, my ui store shouldn't talk to my domain store?
uh oh
I've been using the ui store as a sort of proxy to the domain store for the view itself
 
@Cereal That's service location
Why not just give each store whatever other store it needs?
export class AllMobxStore {
  uiLanguageStore: UiLanguageStore;
  cryptoHomeStore: CryptoHomeStore;
  screenerStore: ScreenerStore;
  authStore: CoinwatchAuthStore;

  constructor(initialState: any = {}) {
    this.authStore = new CoinwatchAuthStore();

    this.uiLanguageStore = new UiLanguageStore(initialState.uiLanguageStore);

    const totalMarketCapStore = new TotalMarketCapStore((initialState.cryptoHomeStore || {}).totalMarketCapStore);
    this.cryptoHomeStore = new CryptoHomeStore(totalMarketCapStore, initialState.cryptoHomeStore);
This is what we have
 
That would be the intelligent thing to do
I get paid to make things work, not be intelligent >:(
I have a lot of stores. Probably too many stores
I think if I moved all the network requests to a transport layer, I could combine a lot of them
 
10:58 AM
Typical Jeffatwood, answering a question that's been closed as a dupe
(I don't know if that's actually typical at all, but it's fairly unfortunate in this instance)
 
11:41 AM
I don't think I like the 123n notation
looks like java
I really don't think I like the direction JS is taking :/
but on the other hand, I can't really complain
 
Yeah JS seems to want to become Java :(
 
@towc How would you do it otherwise?
 
that's the "I can't really complain" part
it feels messy, but not nearly as messy as the other solutions I coughed up in my head
I don't know if I hope that floats will keep being used for small integers or not
 
what's 123n notation?
 
var was ok. Var is still a thing, but I haven't met a sane person who still uses it
@Feathercrown read up on bigint, in JS
 
11:55 AM
ok
 
@Feathercrown and vice versa. Java now has the car key word that implements dynamic type assignment.. as if that wasn't to further confuse newbies lol
 
(((also I still use var :( )))
 
I hope I can still do my const i = 10; while(--i) { ... } instead of const i = 10n; while(--i) { ... }
might not look like much of a difference, but it bothers me. Maybe just because I'm not used to it yet
 
I don't think you can use a const like that (modifying the value)
 
it will make a whole other bunch of code look outdated again, just like when you see code with var
 
11:56 AM
the real question is why you're using a while loop :P
 
I use let mostly and const when appropriate.
 
which is good because things move forward
@jAndy oh damnit. Meant let
 
@DavidKamer it should be the other way around
 
>using the most basic feature of JS is "outdated"
reee
 
@jAndy the whole point of const is to avoid variable modifications
 
11:57 AM
@DavidKamer he meant in my special snippet
--i in that context throws an error
makes no sense
 
@ndugger you're probably right
 
I’m always right
 
If anyone is looking for an easy contribution - you can look at BigInts in Node as a nice target.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum oh, good idea
 
can I add Decimal type instead?
 
11:59 AM
I'm always looking for easy contributions
 

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