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@BenjaminGruenbaum That's what I did above
thief
 
@Shmiddty I learned half my JS there and visit it daily..
 
Trying to extend a shitty library that wasn't designed with extensibility in mind is a pain.
The dev team chose this because it has react in it.
 
didn't realize it was an object lol
 
uber hasn't gone bankrupt yet?
 
Thank god for mocha.
 
@littlepootis That looks cool
 
I'm more of a caramel macchiato man, myself
 
I just drink it black
 
4:03 PM
@ndugger espresso
 
if I have to get something with milk, I'll usually get a flat white
 
the next big thing EspressoScript. JavaScript with parallel programming
 
we already have that with workers
 
Ok then EspressoScript can be for something else, but definitely needs to be a thing
 
no
 
4:08 PM
It'll be AI Blockchain VR capable
It will have a Buzzword type that lets you trigger a cryptocurrency VR AI to reprogram the neurel net with a blockchain
 
AI Blockchain VR organic
 
I'd love to have a look at more paradigms for languages
 
Like string-rewriting?
 
there's asm, c-style (which I think in this context also includes php-style, bash-style...), haskell-style (too similar to c-style?), lisp style (which I guess is a lower level than c in the context of the syntax tree)
is there something that doesn't pretty much look like c-style or asm-style?
or something asm-like but functional kinda? That could be fun
 
Don't forget VB. Gods we were dim then
 
4:17 PM
@towc The style of a language isn't what a paradigm is
 
@hilli_micha possible award for quickest delete ever?
 
@KendallFrey I really doubt paradigm is a good word for it, but it was the best I could come up with
 
I strive to be the best.
 
it's not just style. From that, C and python would be different, but I see them as the same in this particular context
 
If you mean a functional language that reads like asm, well, Haskell can be pretty close
 
4:18 PM
"C and python are the same" - towc
I really need to make towcisms.com
 
@Cereal quote me on that
 
host them on cornhub.farm
 
It would just be a live feed of everything you post in chat
 
lisp is already quite different
but the jump between lisp and c isn't nearly as big as the jump between asm and c, I think
 
@towc What do you mean, anyway?
 
4:19 PM
C and python are the same because they are both programming languages
HTML is not C because it's a markup language
XML and HTML are the same
 
by what metrics does the last message I said apply?
 
You are welcome for the clarification
 
@towc That's precisely what I want to know.
 
rekt
 
@KendallFrey but you can think of some, right?
 
4:20 PM
@towc I think he was hoping you might have some
 
it just makes intuitive sense for me. I need to learn english
 
I mean, I sure am
> I don't need to explain my opinions because they make sense to me
-- towc
 
well, both lisp and c deal with ASTs, for example, while asm deals with a sequential list of commands
 
@towc in terms of what LISP and C have in common but not asm, all I can think of is the concept of a function, or more generally a block of code
 
You heard it hear first, ASM === batch scripting
 
4:21 PM
@towc In what way does asm not involve an AST?
 
@KendallFrey doesn't ASM have the concept of a function, in an abstracted sense?
 
so, in what category do both ASTs (for code) and sequential-commands fall in?
@KendallFrey it can be considered an AST, sure
 
I mean it's certainly not a language feature, but I think an understanding of ASM lends itself to the understanding of a function construct
 
but it's far from a good representation of it
 
@Vap0r I think with the call opcode it sort of does, but not in the language itself
 
4:22 PM
it's would be a really shallow tree
with pretty much fixed depth
 
@Vap0r I read somewhere that html5 (maybe including css) is accidentally Turing complete
 
@KendallFrey I think we're talking semantic naming differences, so I'll agree
 
@towc You're comparing two different levels
 
@DavidKamer including CSS, yes
 
the depth and branches of the tree are not its defining factors, in the case of ASTs in asm
 
4:23 PM
***lisp is the most under rated ***
 
@towc you are like a puddle, lacking both depth and defined structure
 
no
 
@Vap0r well done
 
lisp makes me sad
 
@KendallFrey can you explain that?
 
4:23 PM
Not very well
 
@ndugger so do taps, but I don't complain when it's played
 
Almost all languages have an AST.
Whereas "sequential commands" is the imperative paradigm
 
normally, c is also a list of instructions, which happens to be shown well as an AST. In a lot of cases, haskell can be nicely written without the concept of a list of instructions (as long as you're not involving state)
 
Clojure is where it's at
 
@towc Right...
 
4:25 PM
so they're already kind of on different "paradigms"
asm, c, haskell
 
yes, C is imperative and procedural, Haskell is functional
asm is imperative but not procedural
 
haskell works as a tree with a lot of depth. c as a tree with shared depth and width, and asm as a very shallow tree
what else is there?
 
what other paradigms?
 
so you'd call them paradigms?
what's the word for this?
 
imperative, procedural, and functional are paradigms, yes
 
4:26 PM
well, I assume by paradigms you mean imperative, procedural, and function
yeah, ok. Not that
 
> if I repeat what he says, they'll think I'm smart too
 
actually, also that
damnit, I hate timing
 
@ndugger isn't that what programming is about? Repeating someone else's pattern to feel smart :D
 
for what I'm thinking, style is also involved
 
4:28 PM
@DavidKamer that, but also repeating someone else's pattern to feel smart
 
lisp is both functional and imperative, commonly, right?
 
I didn't know LISP was imperative
 
What does imperative mean in this context?
 
I don't know LISP though
 
@Vap0r :D
 
4:29 PM
In computer science, imperative programming is a programming paradigm that uses statements that change a program's state. In much the same way that the imperative mood in natural languages expresses commands, an imperative program consists of commands for the computer to perform. Imperative programming focuses on describing how a program operates. The term is often used in contrast to declarative programming, which focuses on what the program should accomplish without specifying how the program should achieve the result. == Imperative and procedural programming == Procedural programming is a type...
 
the way I see it, lisp is "marketed" as functional, but it also feels very imperative, for the little I've done with it
 
@KendallFrey Not all lisps are created equally
 
well yeah that too
 
Clojure is just functional lisp
(on the jvm??) I think
 
the trees are deeper than what I think I'd usually write in JS, but not as deep as haskell's
 
4:30 PM
@KendallFrey thanks i normally just search "define: imperative" in google and try to apply it to the subject but that's a lot better lol
@towc the way I see it, VB is "marketed" as functional, but it also feels very demented, for the little I've done with it. But I still wouldn't describe "demented" as a language feature of VB
 
I don't think measuring the ASTs' depth and size is a good metric though
it helps with the concept, but not what I'm looking for
 
VB marketed as functional? I've never heard of such a thing
 
I've spent hours on that wikipedia page
 
[...arr] doesn't do any strange copying or cloning, does it?
 
depends what you mean by strange
 
it clones it, shallowly
and transforms iterables to arrays
 
it will copy the array or iterable
 
Shallow? I think I'm losing a reference
 
4:33 PM
@Cereal yes
 
it will create a shadow of it
 
@ndugger ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
Typespam is the best language invented by far
 
So I shouldn't be losing a reference
b = [...a]
b[0].c = 2
 
@KendallFrey There goes the neighborhood
 
4:34 PM
would update that object in arrays a and b?
 
@Cereal was a some iterable proxy or something?
are iterable proxies even a thing?
 
@Cereal it should
 
hm
 
!!> const a = [{c: 1}], b = [...a]; b[0].c = 2; [a, b]
 
@towc [[{"c":2}],[{"c":2}]]
 
4:36 PM
@MadaraUchiha @BoltClock @DenysSéguret did either of you get a mail from a Bryan regarding a survey?
 
@Cereal also this codepen.io/anon/pen/erWOjW
 
Seems like y'all might enjoy this diana-adrianne.com/purecss-francine
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Nope.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum no (who?)
 
> a Bryan
yw
 
4:38 PM
aryan
 
was it my bryan? Your bryan?
we need to start labeling them
give them names
 
@MadaraUchiha Who's meta.stackoverflow.com/users/1114/user1114 btw? They had a real name and I totally forgot
 
I'll call my bryan bryan
 
@KendallFrey i want you to go and stay go
 
4:38 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Jeremy Banks
 
get a brian morans
 
@MikeTheLiar marry me
and not vap0r
 
no me, so I don't need a visa to get to the US
 
@MikeTheLiar no, I am S-M-R-T smart!
 
4:39 PM
@ndugger downvote
 
@MadaraUchiha Ah, love that guy, what happened?
 
Boys, there's enough of me to go around.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum No idea.
 
vap0r doesn't deserve happiness
 
@MikeTheLiar your mom
 
4:40 PM
his memes are too stale
 
yet I have it. ndugger deserves it and yet...
 
@MadaraUchiha @user1114 what happened to your username?
 
Don't worry, he won't find it with me.
 
@Vap0r that's what medication is for
 
@MikeTheLiar won't stop me from searching ;)
 
4:41 PM
@KendallFrey she is easily distributable these days
 
@ndugger don't limit your medication use to just one end-goal that's close minded
Jesus Mike that was dark
 
Burned to a crisp
Incinerated, even
 
She must have heard my mixtape
 
@towc lisp is about code as data
not necessarily functional programming
 
It's 2018 you can't tell lisp what it is
 
4:42 PM
but it facilitates that too
 
@Vap0r please don't steal my mixtape jokes
 
@Vap0r Did you just assume my paradigm?
 
not that I'm a lisp expert
 
@ndugger i didn't want to sleep tonight anyway
 
@ndugger your mixtape is stale as my memes
 
If anyone deserves the title of lisp expert, it's Mike Tyson.
 
@KendallFrey never baby
 
@SterlingArcher I see you liked them :D
 
@SterlingArcher stop
 
4:44 PM
HAMMERTIME!
 
@Mosho this song is really good
 
no it isn't, but you just admitted your memes are stale; checkmate, arithmetics
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'd rather not have my name pull up any of these ongoing charged discussions at this time.
 
You know what I bet it is
 
@user1114 fair enough
 
4:44 PM
Um
 
a computed getter is returning a bunch of objects, but it's not recomputing when a value in the object updates
 
Stop that <3
@user1114 you've always been positive - I don't see why your name would pull up in a negative context anyway - but wanting more privacy is always fair - I have my full name in my user and it attracted mostly positive but also some negative attention.
 
69k rep
The dream
 
@ndugger if you rearrange the letters is arithmetics you get "a metric shit"
 
@user1114 Your name is very easily found as it stands though
 
4:47 PM
I am in the midst of interviewing for a new position IRL, so I'm being a bit cautious. And I have been a bit of an ass recently.
 
@Vap0r 1 metre, 1 kilogram, 1 second
 
@user1114 you would want to hide the fact you have a ton of reputation in StackOverflow at the interview :D?
 
@KendallFrey that seems irregular
 
yeah I'm probably not going to put my SO profile on my resume as long as this chat exists :P
 
^
 
4:48 PM
:P
 
I've been struggling for 7 minutes to open this slim jim
 
Also think of all the jQuery questions I answered.
That's almost more damning than this chat
 
@user1114 "Hmm, better not hire him, he has demonstrated competence in the technologies we use over and over. We don't want to hire accomplished, yuck."
 
@SterlingArcher can't handle Macho Man Randy Savage?
Or his spirit, rather
 
@SterlingArcher eat it in its' wrapper
 
4:49 PM
@SterlingArcher ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
oh my god finally
that was way too sealed
 
@SterlingArcher that entire album is
 
!!are you alive
 
@SterlingArcher Not a chance
 
Hm, wasn't the computed
 
4:52 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Half-seriously: I encounter too many people who seem to scorn the very concept of "JavaScript expertise", because they haven't looked at it since jQuery 1.0 and think it's a toy.
 
I think the twitter meta has actually backfired. There have definitely been a noticeable increase in cap welcomes, and from what I'm seeing, they were only greeted with enthusiasm
 
Heh, my rep looks like a price tag stackoverflow.com/users/401137/some-guy
 
The room is fuller than normal, and no trolls. Suck it meta effect!
 
Am I a sell out?
 
yes
your next album is gonna be terrible
it's all 'commercial' now
 
4:53 PM
asks new questions for some downvotes
 
@user1114 the great thing is that you're good enough to be picky and pick a job where technical excellence is valued. Finding a job is exhausting and scary but most important things are and it's an important skill to develop.
 
:)
 
In general, I try to do my best to stay away from people who diss things they don't understand - it's a dangerous habit. I do it every once in a while but I try to stop :D
 
you mean it's bad to diss Java blindly?**
 
@SterlingArcher you're in here so
 
4:55 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I didn't. To be honest I didn't follow much recently I've yet to read the GH discussions related to the "gallery" (diving into it...)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum my uncle is staying with me for a few days and he's now into kabbalah and he likes to talk about it
 
@MikeTheLiar I've been good lately
 
it's pretty hard indeed :P
 
I'm trying to make a difference for the room
 
Me too
 
4:57 PM
Are we not doing phrasing anymore?
 
right
 
@hilli_micha I've used Java enough to diss it not-blindly.
 
Who's phrasing?
I like Java because of the memory management features
But that's about it
 
@Vap0r Whose*
 
Java seems to be making nice progress. It'd be unfair to deny that while I complain about people ignoring the progress JavaScript has made. ;) But I'd prefer something not owned by Oracle, given the choice.
 
4:59 PM
@MadaraUchiha my license plate is a remembrance of the times when Phrasing was a thing
!!afk vape
 
@MadaraUchiha no I definitely meant Who's
 
Fair enough
 

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