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11:00 PM
pretty much
 
I'm making pseudo chat rooms in a sense. It's like facebook messenger. It's primarily for offline or asynchronous communication, but I want it to work as a hybrid instead of spamming get requests to update itself.
 
I don't get that... of course the client has to store a session id/token/whatever somewhere, to identify itself on your server?
 
so the lifecycle is driven by how the database looks for the sessions. The token is decoded by a secret everytime a request is made right now. So basically, the client sends a request with the jwt token, the server receives it, decodes it with the secret that is only on the server. If it can decode it, then it is a validly signed token with an authentic id
 
and brace yourself with linux settings on max-sockets, max-filedescriptors, port-ranges and other stuff, because in my experience, a standard configuration pretty much only allows so much simultaneous connections
 
if someone crafts there own, they won't be able to sign it with my secret
@jAndy I'm pretty good with Linux, but thanks for the warning.
http2 is probably the better choice for this, but it looks almost worse to implement
 
11:05 PM
on a normal virtual web-server with a 100Mbit connection, 100+ socket connections lead to massive problems
 
Would spamming get requests work any better?
 
which was very surprising to me, I always thought websockets can be handled to the thousands without any trouble
 
im pretty sure uber uses websockets
so they cant be that bad
 
lol
 
it's not bad, but you have to adapt things
 
11:06 PM
either that or they have a bazillion tb server
 
backend and in your client code
 
what about just using a socket to tell the client to make a get request?
 
for instance, shut down connections clientside on idle, increase allowed port-ranges on the server, allow more socket connections etc.
but even with very optimized settings, if socket connections grow really high, there are still some random "ping timeout" disconnects and reconnects, at least using socket.io. I dunno if that's also partly a problem of the library
 
@DavidKamer sorry got sucked into a vortex, are you still here and a freelance app developer?
 
@DavidKamer I can't tell, it might be. I have chosen to stick with pure wss connections tho
 
11:10 PM
@DavidKamer I'm wondering if you might be able to give me an estimate on how much you might charge to build a little Javascripty app
 
@duhaime Yeah. I can do nodejs and reactjs. I haven't learned react native yet, so if you need native mobile, I'm not your guy
 
No no this is just a web app
"just a web app"
 
depends on what you want it to do
 
world domination
 
international crimes.
 
11:12 PM
 
@jAndy That would cost at least $50 :D
 
Holler if you can't see that
I'm wondering what time and cost estimates you might offer for that project would be
 
Do you want the map to be interactive?
 
Yes, and the timeline chart. There's a decent amount of state. Can you read the comments?
There are some comments sprinkled in there
If you open the pdf in acrobat you should be able to click on them to investigate
them*
 
@duhaime are these just pictures of a design
and u want to turn it into a real site
 
11:15 PM
@RachelDockter Yes, these are just png files
If only we could bind events to regions of a png the day would be done
 
for something like that it will be so much more than $50
 
$100 :/
 
imho not even close
 
Honestly, what would you charge?
 
i mean, you can bind events to regions of an image
 
11:16 PM
if u go by hours, most good web dev freelancers are like $20 /hr
and nobody is making that in 10 hours
 
What will the data be like for the maps and the widget?
 
20? cheap fucks :P
 
but i’d never take that route
 
i dont think id except a job like that personally
 
there's no way i'd do that for $20 an hour :S
 
11:17 PM
So if you had to give a high-level pitch, how many hours would you suggest and what would the rate be?
 
dynamic data or is provided up front, and do you have any limiting factors on how you want to deploy it?
 
i could be way off but id say a few hundred $
 
I'd take a job like that if I was still doing freelance. It looks like a nice design. Not for $100, though :)
 
The data can be provided by a user who's comfy with JSON / YAML; the data spec can be set by the dev
 
really depends what is part of the contract. Just front-end coding? Also back-end coding? Implementing Databases? Setup the server?
 
11:18 PM
This can be a static file site or with server -- up to you
 
a full blown project for a web-app like that, is in the 10k ranges
 
yea, without reading notes, I am not sure of the size of the project either.
 
if it is done half-decent
 
@jAndy everything -- the goal is to make those mocks real, e.g. interactive
 
If you would let me make it however I wanted and you only cared about how it looked and didn't have much dynamic data, I would do it for around $300. If you wanted a react app, I would charge more because it would take me a little longer
 
11:18 PM
ohh, interactive, but static?
 
Yes, the data could be read in from a JSON file, for example
@DavidKamer $300? Really?!
 
I want to see the results
 
By static I mean only static file server (e.g. AWS S3)
 
yeah, it all depends on how the data is being handled. If your maps and slider aren't coming from a rest api, and you don't care if it is done in jquery, I could do it 3 or 4 days...
 
tbh you could probably do most of it yourself using something like wix if u wasnt good at web dev yourself
 
11:21 PM
If you wanted it done with React, it would take an extra day or two and I'd probably use something like d3 so that would be painful and I would charge more
@duhaime Freelancers are dictated by the Indian economy, not the American one lol
 
@DavidKamer jQuery is alright, though React/D3 is obviously better. If you're serious, let's do this
 
i'll do it in react native for 5k
 
@Travis this needs to be a web app
 
I'll do it in Vue for.. nevermind
 
that is very true... indian prices on web-dev on the freelancer market are beyond ridiculous
but..so are the results lol
 
11:23 PM
I'll do it in perl for 20k
 
@jAndy good or bad?
 
@Travis how do you bind onClick in perl :/
 
marvelous ... not
 
oh ahaha
 
@DavidKamer did you look at all the required state?
 
11:24 PM
I'm just trying to make David's offer look better, perl to generate the pages, still serves html/js
 
i remember when i signed up to a freelance site and thought why are there so many indians
 
Haha, mission accomplished
I'm for real though
 
Maybe... It's a lot of content. I reviewed the pdf but I use linux so I can't use adobe to review your comments.
 
It is a lot of content. A decent number of layouts and a good amount of interlinked state
Some tricky elements like the map concentric circles
 
I so much want to see that site brought to live for $300
please do that
 
11:27 PM
@jAndy me too... :/
 
from what i saw, them maps arnt so hard. leaflet.js or google maps api have good heat map features
 
@DavidKamer you're our only hope
@RachelDockter the map must look exactly like the mocks, and I don't believe Leaflet is that customizable
Google has easy to handle map styling though
 
just out of curiosity are u the owner of this company
or has someone hired u to make it lol
 
well ok, it's hard to tell how much interactivity the site really offers and if every image and content is already there.
 
11:28 PM
I'm just "the help"
 
oh no... I really do want to. I really want to launch the website I'm building though lol. I've spent two weeks on building a freelancer job site and I'm at like the last 2 days..
 
and of course.. what about platforms, mobile, compatiblity etc.
 
How soon do you need it done?
mobile first always lol
 
The site should be done in 2 months, and there are no dedicated mobile styles so you don't even have to set @media queries
@DavidKamer Have you worked on other single-page-app style websites?
 
11:31 PM
yeah, but not many. I'm decent at it and the last one I did was for a local business and it only took me a day. It's fairly basic, but it was what the client wanted.
 
2 months work for $300 sounds so wrong
@DavidKamer is that online?
 
It would take me 2 days with jquery if I'm bing honest, as long as you are on the "make it look like the picture" not "make it mathematically exact to the pictures" train
 
@jAndy well it doesn't have to take 2 months, it just has to be done in 2 months
 
@David unfortunately this would have to be pretty pixel perfect, would that increase the time or costs dramatically?
 
11:33 PM
The bottom element isn't perfect because I added as a freebie last sunday in 10 minutes lol. very basic
 
@DavidKamer solid. I love the shake effect
 
i would pay you to see it done in 2 days haha
 
Yes. If you're looking for a pixel by pixel match, that would dramatically increase the market value of the work.
 
@DavidKamer are we talking $350?
 
Do you guys remember amdflaws.com?
 
11:35 PM
I just checked it out
 
I made a clone of it as a prank in 4 hours ctsflaws.com
maybe less
 
Did you use Save As?
 
that includes the amount of time to set up the site and it was still like 9 pm I learned about it and was done by midnight lol
heck no
 
@duhaime damn, nice one.
 
they used a framework or something, I just used flexbox and jquery and eyeballed colors
 
11:36 PM
@DavidKamer It looks good
Well heck I was hoping to get some fish on the line
 
I've just never really done it by a blueprint. I usually charge around 100 to 500 and do the design work myself
 
I'm happy to entertain serious offers from a seasoned vet. This would have to be pretty pixel exact though, identical fonts and so forth
 
Get back to me in a week and I'll do it
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In 5 days for 400 dollars. I can make it exact if you are ok with percentages as exact. It'll be 450 if you want svg instead of divs as circles
 
An extra $75 if you want the circles to be round.
 
+$20 for colors
5
 
11:40 PM
how much for an apple logo
 
haha, aww man classic
I'll pay the 20K for the perl app let's go
single page perl app
always wanted one
 
@Luggage those round circles will cost you lol
 
Is this actually a big prank or joke are we still serious here? 400 bucks for a full blown front-/backend/database webapp?
 
@duhaime Will you buy a life insurance policy that covers suicide for my family if we do a perl app? lol
 
for a zer0 interactivity website, without client/server connections and no database... I probably would buy it being serious
 
11:43 PM
oh. I was saying 400 for the front end
 
@jAndy we're gonna get down to the nitty gritty for 400
@DavidKamer there doesn't need to be a back-end. Just pump the data into JSON and read it on app load -- it'll be < 100KB and you'll be off to the races
But the CSS has to be perfect
 
email me at 3dkamer@gmail.com or david.kamer@uniwrighte.com if you still want me to do it. I'm going to dinner. I could probably do it. I was a math major at one time and made it as far as calc 3 and graph theory and diff eq.
 
@DavidKamer I'm emailing you
 
If you needed a back end it would be at least double. Sounds good. I need to finish this project first, but that would give us a ton of time if you have two months.
Talk to you soon
 
I feel like I just watched a drug deal go down.
Like, I'm sure it's legit and professional, I've just never seen this here before.
 
11:46 PM
Someone just bought $400 of oregano.
 
Did this just become the Silk Road of Javascript?
 
@Luggage this is for teen spirit
Some people have $400 bar tabs, what's the difference
 
beer gets you drunk, oregano just flavors food
 
@hilli_micha I didn't think this would unfold quite this way but one never knows
 
ohhi
 
11:50 PM
Full disclosure: I'm about to spend <= 2 months building this site (the mocks will likely evolve from here in that time) at my desk job, which includes lots of things that are not-app-building (data mining, greeting scholars, etc). I'm wondering what the fair market value of the app would be.
 
I know code, not markets.
 
I thought SO would be a good way to evaluate. Now I feel like I should have spent more time with perl :/
 
lol running integration tests with selenium on IE
typing stuff in inputs is in slow-mo
bamboozled by IE yet again
 
actually the starred line of mine really messes up my mind... why not just set a body filter: grayscale(1) for any customers website and after delivery you go like... "We never agreed on RGB, costs $200 extra"
 
trying to imitate the typical IE user
 
11:52 PM
dude
that makes me a million
 
hahaha, hold the colors ransom
 
i've got a bridge to sell you..
 
direction: rtl; oh you want ltr? cost += $100
 
that's the spirit
 
body { transform: rotate(180deg); }
 
11:54 PM
transform rotations, opacities, we could really make a solid business model
 
You want it right-side up?
 
is a decimal semicolon a thing?
 
haha, exactly
 
Next thing you know, you're gonna try selling a pencil for $99
 
It's the American way
 
11:55 PM
well, after you get if from china for 5c. ohhhhh...
 
body { filter: blur(1px) } .. I have a partner... he sells glasses cheap!
 
Alright I'm going to write a check for good master David, goodnight all
 
just make sure you note it's the other david, not me
i aint doin shit for $300
 
that just proved it man, jQuery is still very alive and GETS SHIT DONE for $400
I don't want to hear ANY MORE jQuery jokes around here
 
that remains to be seen.
shall we wager?
 
11:58 PM
I would bet anything on your side :p
 

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