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4:00 PM
It doesn't seem weird to me that you've got to use ImmutableJS syntax everywhere you want to use immutable data structures. Honestly the seamless-immutable approach is what is weird to me.
 
Let's say I want to parse something, I use immutable DASTs to make the code more readable - once I'm done parsing (or any other unit of work type stuff) - I don't have/need the immutable data @ssube
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum sure, but ImmutableJS' API (specifically) makes that difficult. It's sufficiently different that consumers need some awareness of it.
 
user9107868
@KamilSolecki github.com/cazala/synaptic/wiki nothing about saving a state.
 
There are no consumers, the state isn't exported - it's isolated.
It's like Rx, it works best when used counterintuitively in relative isolation IMO
 
ah, you're specifically talking about things that live, die, and never leak?
in complete isolation it might be useful, but... that's not great in real life
 
4:01 PM
Yes, which is by far the most common use case I reached out to immutable stuff
@ssube do you feel immutability (of the value) makes promises hard to use?
(as an example)
@ssube a lot of things that happen happen in complete isolation, that's part of encapsulation. Just not most of the FE code which is generally ultraglobal.
 
I don't think so, but I'm fairly used to promises/optionals/whatever now
 
I also totally agree that for react state it's awful to use ImmutableJS
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum my problem with ImmutableJS is that you can't ever leak a single object it creates
with seamless-immutable or immer you're not constantly calling toJS and wondering why it invoked a seemingly-random method way down your object tree
 
@TheOneWhoMade then figure out how to get the weights and connections and make up your own way of storing and initializing them
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum But then what do you return?
 
4:03 PM
but ImmutableJS' API is unique enough that you have to keep it 100% hidden
 
You're a library, others consume you
If you return an immutable object, you force the immutable "language" on the consumer
If you use .toJS() your performance is horrific.
 
user9107868
@KamilSolecki thats a little hacky. I like hacky.
 
the only way to keep ImmutableJS encapsulated is to call toJS constantly, it's like the GPL of libraries :(
 
@SterlingArcher idk why but this made me think of you youtube.com/watch?v=0pJU3jm0zkI
 
Even if you manage to isolate your "seams" and only call .toJS() when you strictly need to, the performance hit is huge
 
4:06 PM
and god(s) help you if you have two different modules, both using (and hiding their use of) ImmutableJS
 
@MadaraUchiha something completely unrelated
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum wat
 
@MadaraUchiha you don't return an immutable DAST, you just use an immutable DAST internally - for example in TipRanks this might be Pipeline or PortfolioBuilder.
Mostly unit of work patterns
 
@TheOneWhoMade that is absolutely not hacky.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Then you have .toJS() somewhere in your code
You can't avoid it
 
4:09 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum there's something weird about making a mutable copy to return, after doing all the work on immutable objects
 
user9107868
Who's been here the longest? I want to know the average chat length... To run into the fewest problems with the AI.
 
It's the only way to stop the infection
@TheOneWhoMade Dude, seriously, you have a complete read only copy of the entire chat from the beginning of time until now
I really don't understand why you're messing with bots and trying to read the chat as it comes along
You have like 5 million messages to work with from this room's transcript alone
 
user9107868
@MadaraUchiha you want me to iterate over the entire transcript?
 
@TheOneWhoMade Only the parts you care about
Go a week back, a month back, a year back, IDC
 
user9107868
I'll be gone for a while unless I run into problems then.
 
4:12 PM
Oct 15 '10 at 8:38, by Mathias Bynens
o hai
the first JS room message
 
@Neoares wrong
in Chat feedback, Oct 8 '10 at 9:37, by Feeds
All feedback welcome!
 
user9107868
$$afk Off on a project!
 
@BenFortune that is chat 2
 
@BenFortune How is that a JS room message?
 
4:14 PM
Oh js lol
 
@MadaraUchiha you really don't, let's say you're writing a transformation as a unit of work - you keep an array of functions (or an immutable list), you can execute all of them (that's just forEach and not .toJS()) - but you can't access the old list
 
lol @that lean mean price (from 1998)
 
@Neoares I don't think any of the people around in that first period still come here.
 
@Loktar MS Natural Keyboard for gaming?
 
aka "Let's just sort by price and check every box"
 
@BenFortune yeah and that monitor is still a beast
 
Anyone trying it
 
I've got a 24" CRT somewhere
fucking widescreen
 
pc monitor or tv?
 
4:25 PM
@OliverSalzburg I use a 20$ dell keyboard for my gaming pc
 
I know there are a couple rick and morty fans
 
if it's an old pc monitor widescreen/crt it's worth a good amt.
@OliverSalzburg lol yeah man idk
I had some crappy $10 one back then
 
@Loktar monitor
 
@KarelG I mean, I would use one where you can actually reach keys with one hand
 
... well maybe, I don't think prices were that cheap lmao.
 
4:26 PM
I miss the degauss button
 
Hitting F6 on a natural is impossible with the left hand
Unless you lift off the board, but, come on
 
it's just funny because those are where all the PC is expensive issues come from
people still thinking of prices from the 90's lol
now it's so cheap in comparison
 
not really
 
yes really..
 
4:27 PM
those hardware were the best ones
 
$700 for a GTX 1070
 
especially if you account for inflation in addition
 
rlemon who are the rick and morty fans in here
 
you're going to have a hard time dropping over 7k on "the best" machine possible
 
back then it cost X but now it is cheaper but, when looking to best hardware, you have to pay equally / more
 
4:28 PM
I tend to enjoy Rick and Morty
 
@William the smart people.
 
@KarelG eh there is still a huge difference
monitor prices for example
 
@Shmiddty well if you are the US try the sauce ony today
 
@Loktar hah, I once compiled a parts list worth $20K
 
@William ?
 
4:29 PM
even the best will range what... 1200?
@Ikari sure it's possible but a 20k machine is not for gaming
 
those amoled screens are kinda new tech. CRT was not new in '90
 
@Shmiddty I wore a Rick and Morty tshirt on my date last night and she loved it
 
If I wanted a $1200 gaming device, I'd get an iPhone
 
@SterlingArcher Did she... aw jeez. Did she touch the peener?
 
4:29 PM
@William no spam plz
 
the lean and mean machine they have at 2400
 
For PC, I need at least 5k
 
for 2400 you can get a beast of a machine now easily
 
i thought that that link to the sauce is a valid one ...
 
@Shmiddty lmao no
 
4:30 PM
@Shmiddty why not
 
@Loktar or a Macbook Pro
 
they already lost their mind?
 
@Neoares how should I know?
 
@Loktar my work laptop is around that
 
I finally was able to eat real solid food! healing is on point!
 
4:31 PM
@Shmiddty then what are you based on
@Loktar I mean, the company one
 
@Neoares I don't recognize any of their names
 
@Neoares what is it?
 
that's not the reason they don't come here anymore
@Loktar DELL
it has an intel xeon
 
My desktop was around 2k, it doesn't leave me wanting for more
 
@Cereal yeah that's what I'm saying
 
4:32 PM
I'm waiting for GFX card prices to drop
 
2k now is ALOT to spend on a PC, generally you're splurging at that price
 
actually I think it's almost 3k
 
Considering the gpu alone was 1k at the time lol
 
you can get a capable one for sub 1k
 
but I want to play 3 top-end games on max settings at the same time.
 
4:32 PM
(not accounting for inflated GPU prices)
 
The porn I watch requires 8 cores and 1080 GTX
it's intense
 
only a 1080?
not even 30fps at 4k on ultra I guess
 
> 1080 GTX
 
weak porn
 
What a scrub
 
4:34 PM
Even i have my limits @Loktar
 
lol
 
@Loktar pcpartpicker.com/list/77BRGG a little bit cheaper than 20k, but quite equally powerful
 
AR porn at 144 fps and 4k
 
The eyes can only see 30FPS dummy
 
4:35 PM
@Ikari lol 25% cheaper is kind of significant :p
 
@Ikari would the 18 core processor be good for hash collision and cracking?
 
@SterlingArcher I second that
 
128gb of ram
 
@SterlingArcher wrong
 
lol
2 960's
yeah... this is just an "expensive" machine
not at all realistic though
 
4:36 PM
'tis the ultimate productive machine
 
@Ikari you know titan V is not for gaming?
 
an obsidian x24 were two voodoo 2's in sli
on one card
that's why it was $700 in the machine above
 
also, 8 RAM sticks
wtf
 
they also didn't have absurd amounts of ram in those builds for 7k :p
 
4:36 PM
lmao the flag
!!afk meeting. cant learn my lesson if im afk
 
haha
 
> RGB 360 TT Premium Edition
 
pcpartpicker list didn't let me add another gpu I don't know why, but I wanted to add another Titan XP or something
 
you may 50% more for each word in there
 
user9107868
While we're talking about processers, does anyone know what overclock does?
 
4:37 PM
Why would you get dual SSD then get another different SSD?
 
@Neoares rgb is the basic requirement for "gaming"
@Vap0r for bulk storage?
 
@Ikari titanv doesn't do sli
 
user1596138
@Ikari lol oh my god
 
and a HDD for some low read/write speed at the cost of some humongous space?
 
@Ikari I would argue that, but I figured that's what the magnetic drive is for, no?
 
user1596138
4:38 PM
You have 20TB of storage on that
 
user1596138
What's the use case for that machine?
 
just to price out the most expensive thing possible
 
@Loktar meh, then it might be just better off with 2 Titan XPs
that, tbh :P ^++
 
user1596138
Well adding $1k monitors is cheating
 
user1596138
But damn
 
4:39 PM
Will I be able to hack facebook with this rig?
 
you can might as well try :P
 
those aren't even the priciest monitors
 
user1596138
Nope
 
yeah, but the most wide I could find
 
user1596138
Remember that $30K System76 machine I built lmao
 
4:40 PM
those are actually gross...
1080p only for that price?
 
user1596138
 
@user1596138 that's cheating, you're using server grade things :<
 
user1596138
I was not given rules
 
that's just a server @user1596138 lol
 
user1596138
4:42 PM
It has GPUs
 
I mean let's just throw Watson on there and call it a day hah
 
Does it have WAMS?
 
also, 512GB of memory. pleb.
 
@Loktar 72 qubit CPU or bust
 
@Ikari 1024 times more than my raspberry
 
user1596138
4:42 PM
They offer a laptop with dual GTX 1080s
 
Now I want to see someone make an approximation of a quantum computer in minecraft
@user1596138 external, I hope?
 
@Vap0r there is
 
user1596138
No.
 
@Neoares how does it handle uncertainty?
 
user1596138
4:43 PM
 
that monitor was so shitty though
 
user9107868
Hey guys, how much would you be suprised to know that you aren't getting the best out of your computer?
 
16 x newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA7S66U76336 should give you a theoretical memory of 1TB
 
@user1596138 form factor: one large pizza box
 
user1596138
lmao
 
4:44 PM
well most expensive consumer grade, you can get oled's BVMs from sony that are way more
 
@Vap0r they just load a chunk
 
user1596138
I want a PC with only ramdisks
 
and it's uncertain if it'll have an illumination bug or not
with 50% probability
 
@Neoares So a rough approximation to be sure, but an approximation none-the-less?
 
user1596138
I won't be building a gaming PC
 
user1596138
4:45 PM
Unless you guys know something i don't... @Loktar?
 
@Ikari normally you just use a lot of smaller chips
 
@Vap0r sure
 
user1596138
Will GPU prices ever "settle" or has the market simply spoken.
 
Nvidia is releasing crypto cards
 
4:45 PM
idk what none-the-less means
!!giphy Kappa
 
to ease some of the stock issues
 
user1596138
I invested in AMD lol
 
link
 
user1596138
For teh long haul
 
4:46 PM
but tbh I'd go to Bestbuy or something
 
/ujndo
 
@Neoares it means notwithstanding
 
user1596138
Yeah just get a prebuilt. But meh. I jus don't wanna
 
I saw 2 1080tis there for $700 each
 
pair that 16 x 64gig modules with newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAE256CP4705 and you've got yourself a 4 socket with a memory of 1TB monster
 
4:46 PM
in store. I almost bought them to flip
 
user1596138
@Loktar you see the Ryzen with integrated graphics? That's my plan I think as of now
 
I was looking at dell premades and their prices didn't look inflated compared to building your own
 
user1596138
Buy my GPU later.
 
user1596138
@Loktar WHAT
 
@user1596138 yeah the apus are cool but I'd never get one as my primary machine
I'd use that for my arcade or something lol
 
user1596138
4:46 PM
They sell hardware??
 
they are cool though, and cheap. But you need fast ram which is also pricey
@user1596138 yeah
 
Just got an email about a vive pro
 
@Ikari but that has 48 slots
 
Where's my early adopter discount >:(
 
they have PSU's, Ram, GPUs
 
4:47 PM
oh wait, it has?
 
@Vap0r en español?
 
@Cereal $700 is your price
 
@Neoares no
 
user1596138
@Loktar don't they have nice CPUs with it? Guess I didn't look too much
 
so... 3072GB of memory
 
4:47 PM
I've never seen CPUs in store
 
user1596138
I meant as a work machine while I wait to buy a GPU
 
The regular one is 699
The pro is 999
 
oooh you mean the apu?
 
user1596138
Yeah
 
I might as well just create a ramdisk and do everything on memory
 
4:48 PM
it doesn't matter how much RAM do you have, you need persistent memory, you fools
 
user9107868
Overclock enables your device to run faster, decreasing the delay between each point in the system clock. So in theory, you could get 48 hours of computing done in 24 hours.
 
@Cereal the pro minus everything else (sensors, controllers) is like $700
 
@Ikari ramdisks are cool, but NVMe is usually good enough
 
user1596138
@Neoares never shut down.
 
Ah
 
4:48 PM
that's what I was reading today anyway
so that's the "upgrade" price for current vive owners
 
@ssube :P
 
@user1596138 what if the lights go off
 
No time to use my vive as it is, sadly
 
@Neoares why?
 
That face when your hash cracking rig has decent specs for mining bitcoin:
 
4:48 PM
also... no wireless yet afaik 😬
 
user1596138
@Neoares Reinstall from scratchj
 
why store things you can recreate?
 
yeah man not worth it for me to even grab I never use my VR stuff anymore
 
user1596138
If someone would just sell me an outdated GPU I'd build my system
 
user1596138
But even a super old one is price hiked right now. It's insane.
 
user1596138
4:49 PM
Bout to call my Dad and ask for his old 960
 
@ssube why not?
 
I have a spare 7970, but it's stripped for a water block :P
 
I would use it, but I have no free time
 
Mar 12 at 14:23, by Ikari
I want a 1070 @ < $500
 
lol I also have a 7970, but a fan is dying
 
4:49 PM
sqlite just does not like 200k inserts
 
user1596138
@ssube Listed for $450 on Amazon
 
I might have a pristine 7970 fan somewhere :P
 
and a 290x that's used for youtube basically
 
My poor disk usage
 
a fan might die but every day a star is born
 
4:50 PM
I definitely have a pair of water blocks for em, one AMD non-ref and one for another brand
 
@user1596138 they were decent cards when they came out, may have been the first GPU with a GHz factory clock
 
> Used for mining for 5 months. Kept below 70c in a clean, cool space.
 
user1596138
I may just buy an intel machine Idk. But my plan is definitely to go integrated graphics for the year
 
lol
 
user1596138
4:50 PM
I can game on my laptop no problems.
 
lots of people are dumping cards, but I def wouldn't touch them
 
I can laptop in my game
 
user1596138
I paid my deposit and have all my finances sorted for my new house. I'm so excited. I can do normal stuff again
 
@Loktar woah
 
I think when my desktop needs an upgrade in 10 years i"ll buy another laptop. I really liked being able to bring my computer with me
 
4:51 PM
I buy a new machine every 2 years... have since like 2003 but I think this year I'm skipping for the first time!
 
user1596138
If Asus still sold batteries for my laptop I'd prob jus forget upgrading
 
@Cereal but then you'd be categorised as a plebian
 
user1596138
@Neoares Didn't see it
 
last 2 machines have been a disappointment in regards to actually being an upgrade
 
@Ikari I had an alienware a little over a year ago, with an external graphics card and it was fantastic
Girlfriend wants to watch a movie? Bring computer with me
 
4:52 PM
those external gpu solutions are so cool
 
the only upgrade I'd seriously consider today is pre-Coffee Lake to Coffee Lake or Ryzen
 
I only upgraded because it was a graduation gift
 
user1596138
Haha my rent is going down by $150 and I'm getting almost 500 more sq/ft, a 2 car garage, privacy
 
user1596138
My weekend went fucking wonderful
 
user9107868
Beowulf cluster. So intresting. Make a supercomputer in your kitchen.
 
4:52 PM
I just upgrade because I liek computers and spending money :/
I might just get a gpu + 4k monitor this time around and call it good tbh
 
user1596138
@SterlingArcher you can move in with us. Your half of rent is $385
 
@user1596138 SterlingArcher is afk: meeting. cant learn my lesson if im afk
 
heh, that's how I ended up with a corsair light controller
 
user1596138
@Loktar Do it
 
oh man.. you remind me I want a new case too @ssube
 
user1596138
4:53 PM
I wish you lived closer and weren't a PC hoarder. So I could buy all your second hand stuff
 
the corsair crystal one
@user1596138 my kids get it all
 
I'm loving this 540. It's big, but well laid out.
 
user1596138
^ "I wish you lived closer" lol /me forgets I'm moving to your spot
 
That's what she said
 
2nd hand unused in my house is super rare
 
user1596138
4:54 PM
Ah damn that's true..
 
@Loktar get a 4 way sli with Titan XP
would be totally worth it
 
lol I'd just get the 2080 probably
 
user1596138
Eventually you guys will be bragging aboiut your PC hardware by weight
 
user1596138
> We have 400lb of GPUs in the back room
 
user9107868
^^^LOL
 
4:55 PM
well I have over 30 3dfx cards
but they don't weigh a ton I guess
 
user1596138
Those might have a bubble again
 
user1596138
Being 3dfx
 
user1596138
I bet they're not cheap atm anyway
 
user1596138
@Loktar I was going through the CD binders at home this weekend. Found Missile Command from like 1997 lol and a bunch of other stuff I want to put a retro machine together for
 
I applied for a crypto which will be HDD based
let's see if I join the beta
 
user1596138
4:56 PM
I found Tresspasser
 
@user1596138 dude fuck off omg
 
@Neoares isn't crypto these days all SSD-based?
 
haha @user1596138 I have that game big box
 
God I hate my rent
But I love my apartment
 
user1596138
@Loktar Good game
 
4:57 PM
it's actually considered one of the worst ever lol
 
user1596138
@SterlingArcher you could park your bike and car next to mine in the garage too...
 
but the healthbar was fantastic :p
 
user1596138
I haven't played it in 15 years but I liked it
 
@ssube well it doesn't matter
 
user1596138
Enough that I remember it.
 
4:58 PM
 
but remember SSD is much more expensive per GB
 
user1596138
I loved the old jurassic park base building games too and found a few
 
@user1596138 we'd be such good roommates too
 
Amazon understands my needs
 
maybe it's not so profitable
 
4:58 PM
mainly because idgaf what you do
 
@Cereal Amazon knows you bro
 
user1596138
So you're coming? <3ro
 
actually, iirc, you had 2 options, go bandhwidth mode, or just storage mode
 
@Neoares obv, I was trolling a bit
 
user1596138
4:58 PM
I'll see what Tasha thinks. Or we can just surprise her
 
lol i wish man i love VA too much
and . i love my job
 
@ssube no no, read my last message
 
storage is probably the least important thing for crypto/mining
 
best job ever
 
@Loktar new bitcoin rig?
;)
 
4:59 PM
 
user1596138
Lmao I know :P. I live dead center of a decent metro now too
 
Some of my extras lol
 
they say if you live near a main city and you have a very low ping, you can go with nice SSDs and go for bandwidth
 

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