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7:01 PM
@MwBakker nice so she's just gonna do schoolwork and what not?
 
yep
 
nice man, yeah its really nice when the other person is just as stoked as you are
 
in the meantime I'm also going to teach her how to drive cause she has her driver's license but appearantly it was mostly just bought. I figured this last time she was here and I let her drive my car
however it is an actual valid license for Europe so she is legal to drive eventhough she can't
 
jesus christ hahaha
that's good of you to do, not let her die, or kill other people
 
exactly
you had to see my reaction when she got behind my wheel and said "it's been a while, and im not used to european roads"
then nearly putting the car to a stand still on a public backroad "been a while" was an understatement xD
 
7:06 PM
hahaha
she probably drives stick shift better than me xD
 
she says she wants an automatic in the future
but that is not the solution to me haha she has to learn how to properly drive
also going to look for a job for her as an online tutor for Russian language. She is doing this now in Hungaria but the payment is pretty low cause of hungarian salary standards
being an online tutor in my country is going to pay a lot better I suppose
anyway she asked me to look into it
@ballBreaker so you're back on Tinder?
Did you consider the paid dating websites too?
 
@MwBakker oh nice man, yeah that'd be a solid idea
yeah but I think I'm going to potentially just stop using online dating all together lol
 
give that a try at least before you quit
or just come here and get yourself a Dutch gf nederbro
 
Tim
They are the best
 
@MwBakker i've looked at the user bases for those and have never been impressed
my issue with online dating isnt that girls don't take it seriously, it's that I'm not really interested in many people on the apps. I like probably 1% of people on the apps and they're usually hot so I'm like 1 of 1000 guys talking to them
paid dating would be even worse for that
 
7:20 PM
well yes welcome to the modern world
even if you meet a girl in real life she might talk to other guys online, compitition is heavy for us guys now these days
but don't let this bring you down because it doesn't need to mean a thing
in fact: if a girl chooses to date someone by online platform it means she choose that person despite allll the other guys
and paid online dating just filters out the attention seekers or those not committed I'd say
Well I mean I got prove of that too, experiences of my own dad and some friends I have
 
just buy a wife from Russia
 
final step, also possible
 
i unno man, I'll keep checking the paid ones here and there and see if there's anyone hot lol but they're disappointing
 
ProTip: find a niche interest, attend the nerdy conventions, find the unkempt girl with messy hair and glasses, classic Rom Com will surely follow
 
@MwBakker sadly true lol
lol
I just need to leave the house more in general
 
7:36 PM
alternative strategy, go gay
 
hmmm
ill probably just end up taking the winter off from dating again
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lmao sorry
my cat was laying on my keyboard
 
Tim
That's morse for "feed me"
 
"feed me or die, meat bag" to be exact
 
@ballBreaker I did and fell in love during vacation, finding the right one doesn't mean the struggle is suddenly over :p
on the other hand, love is one of the highest achievements of life: I put everything else besides friendship/family and primair needs below it
some may declare me crazy to reach for a girl 12hrs driving from me but if one needs to achieve other things in life why is finding the right person not one of them I wonder
well it is, just like school/work/stability it's something one needs to achieve
 
No you're just crazy
your gf has nothing to do with it
 
7:49 PM
I think my crazyness is besides that subject
 
you opened the door
> some may declare me crazy to reach for a girl 12hrs driving from me
 
fair enough
 
haha
isnt it like a 1 hour flight tho
 
moral of the story: finding the right person is a process and so is being in a relationship. It's a lot of "work" but for the right reasons
 
probably cheaper than the gas to drive
 
7:52 PM
so keep your head up and stay motivated just like with anything else in life
 
im too motivated lol
I need to step back for a bit
but I get what you're saying
 
but dont do as I did in my previous relationships where ironically I had messed up by putting too much effort in it
ofc you knew this already so it's not very relevant info
 
yeah lol one of my main issues
I do well with girls I'm not that into and the girls I'm interested in, I'm way too into on average
 
Same, I didnt find the cure I found someone who is equally enthousiastic
 
yeah thats what I figure will be my saving grace as well
 
7:56 PM
and that made me relax a lot more, so it works well
 
I have to ask, say your title is "senior X engineer", would you expect or accept for that matter to work on your next job as a "senior X engineer"?
 
@Mehdi no, but im definitly an exception in that matter
 
the girl I'm seeing tonight reminded me of that
 
for as im a garbageman now
 
but I'm not really into her that much unfortunately so I wouldn't date her lol
@Mehdi I don't think I would go down in title unless it made sense
 
7:57 PM
@ballBreaker can't this feeling grow perhaps?
 
@MwBakker i think the same
 
like if it was a position for a language I didn't know, or I'm missing certain qualifications.. at that point I would expect to start as an intermediate and get promoted within the year or whatever
@MwBakker sure but to a point, I'm not that attracted to her
it will cause problems eventually so I don't want to lead her on too much
so I'm just casually seeing what happens
 
@Mehdi I seek the factors that keep me motivated over the title Im under or the salary Im being paid at. ofc in my case a little extreme but generally speaking I think these motivational factors (except for salary) matter the most
I do not get blinded by "benefits" I need to see if the company reaches most of the points that keep me motivated in work
 
@ballBreaker But why? You're already at a level, why would you wanna interview, change your job, get onboarded for the same position or a downgrade? Unless of course you're getting into a new field that interests you personally
 
as in: how important is the product? Another stock market app won't do me well in motivation eventhough they can pay really well in that world
 
7:59 PM
yeah the latter is what I'm referring to, or you are missing qualifications of a senior
I know someone who was a senior programmer and only had like 2 years of experience
so in that case his title was bullshit
and his next job after wasn't senior lol
 
I remember Tim stating something about that he became a senior
"oh and I'm a senior since today ok"
"just means interns can ask me more bs questions" something like that I dk how to quote transcripts
 
Yeah but in a more representative context a senior is a senior, so i don't understand how recruiters feel proposing the same job to someone would be rewarding for that person unless they have some urgent constraint to leave their current place
 
maybe @Tim can personally tell this better
 
yeah in that context, definitely
I guess it depends on the company and how important they think they are as well
like if google is asking a senior to come be an intermediate for example
 
Honestly I think they just shoot in the dark, "X engineer" no matter the prefix senior whatever
 
8:05 PM
yeah 100%
I'm just giving the very rare cases here hahah I think 98% of the time they're like FUCKIT and mass spam people
 
On another topic, congrats for your in-between jobs rest period :)
 
thanks man :D
4 hours since my final day and im already bored
 
Hahaha you'll miss this feeling during your wramp up months
 
some guy from new company emailed me about where to send my new 13" macbook pro
and I called him Donny instead of Danny accidentally so I'm off to a good start
 
Ask him for a 16" MBP, can't work on a 13" comfortably
 
8:09 PM
he's sending a 27" monitor as well
 
Hahaha
 
I'm just going to collect monitors
im kidding i definitely returned both earlier
@Mehdi yeah thats true, I'm actually kinda nervous
I feel like I'm gonna start and get major imposter syndrome
 
@Mehdi wramp up?
 
@ballBreaker it's fine that feeling goes away once you get fired for incompetence
 
@DaveS xD
 
8:13 PM
hahahaha
@MwBakker he meant ramp up
 
whats that
 
> A ramp-up is a significant increase in the level of output of a company's products or services. A ramp-up typically occurs in anticipation of an imminent increase in demand. While it is generally a feature of smaller companies at an early stage of development, a ramp-up can also be undertaken by large companies that are rolling out new products or expanding in new geographies.
 
@ballBreaker and it's okay, everyone lives that feeling until a few months in the job, don't worry about this
 
ok ive been out too long I dk what kind of company you are going to be at next
it's a startup?
@ballBreaker why
 
Tim
@MwBakker tell what
 
8:16 PM
@Mehdi haha yeah
 
@Tim spill the beans
 
Why would he make a mess for no reason?
 
Tim
My senior promotion was just a formality since I had been doing a senior's job for well over a year already
 
@MwBakker I just have a major tech-stack shift, stuff I've been doing for the bulk of my career has been ancient, where as this stuff is all modern.. combined with a lack of mentorship during my career as well. Going into a new language as well using a new operating system lolol so should be a shit show for a while
I'm fully expecting myself to feel like a total noob, but it's normal
and I'll catch up eventually probably
or die trying or whatever
 
Tim
But seniority labels are utterly meaningless unless they are directly tied to salary which in my case they were not
 
8:18 PM
You'll be asking questions like, "How do I deference this variable so it can be cleared from the stack" and they'll be like "Wtf are you talking about this is Javascript"
 
@ballBreaker what language?
 
scala
which I've actually used in the past for about 3-4 months so it won't be horrible
just a lot of change
 
@DaveS "this is not faang interviewing bruh, this is the real world"
 
@Tim they're also good for quitting though
 
@ballBreaker I heared this term twice in my life. I googled it and it's a bit like Java?
 
8:19 PM
get a senior label and then quit shortly after and move to a company that pays you a senior salary
 
join a start up get, an executive suite label, then go work as CTO
 
@MwBakker yeah its more similar to kotlin i think
at this point
is kotlin functional as well?
 
@ballBreaker Just don't try to prove anything, it's done, you're hired, ask questions about systems integrations architectures etc.. and you'll figure out the code yourself
 
yeah that's what I'm aiming for
 
@ballBreaker isnt any language functional?
 
8:20 PM
guy was kinda saying how just wants honesty
 
the best new hires are the ones eating humble pie for 6 months until they have genuinely better ideas
 
What language doesnt have functions?
 
no one expects you to come in with institutional knowledge
 
yeah these are good tips
basically what I was planning but nice to hear it as well
@MwBakker someone else can probably explain it better but theres more to it than that
 
@MwBakker no, functional programming is a paradigm.
 
8:22 PM
functional programming is fancy name for a language most people don't like using
 
lolol
I found scala pretty neat
definitely a different type of thinking
 
I like it :D
What i however don't like is the style of having 2 spaces for indentation...
 
a man with imposter syndrome and a data stirrer, I rest my case
 
@Mehdi but to be fair you also like paying $800 a month for a place you can't park your car at
 
@DaveS Hahaha xD
 
8:25 PM
@Mehdi your stuff is in scala right?
 
@ballBreaker but you did OOP before right?
 
@ballBreaker yeah, 50% or so, the rest Java, python, typescript and bash
 
@MwBakker yeah, functional programming can be OOP too they aren't exclusive
@Mehdi nice
now I know who to bug
huehuehue
 
I've been waiting for this for 3y now... No one in this room wanted to get into it :(
 
Tim
same with me and android
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8:28 PM
@ballBreaker but im feeling you here, I did not have the best experiences in either my last graduation-internship nor at my last job. Im used to being rewarded for my effort and only in the software world it seemed like the effort wasnt translated into appreciation. The feeling noob stuff etc all related to it
 
@Tim XD
 
I dk the cure to that but im curious how you will do this to be honest
how many people are in your team BB?
 
@MwBakker hmm yeah we'll see
I think like 6-7 or somethin on the back-end team
 
Tim
@Mehdi I'm making an effort to up the humor level to your standards, I hope yoh are pleased so far
The humor level of the room that is
 
@ballBreaker now re-reading that post I realize it can be read as negative but I meant it in the most positive way ofc
 
8:31 PM
please don't make yourself less funny for Mehdi's sake
 
sorry bout that
 
oh no, didn't take it negatively dont worry
I knew whatcha meant
 
@Tim I am, my good sir, please keep up
 
and ill add to the drama
 
please do
 
8:32 PM
@MwBakker That would require your presence
 
Im working on that, im gonna stick to login in here at least once a day
my drama is usually created outside this room though
 
you missed the in-room drama the other day
those mods finally left
got sick of our useless babble
 
I read the transcript
flagged one of the mods for encouraging Apple stuff
SO is commercialized enough for Pete's sake
 
you'll have to flag mehdi next then
 
I wouldn't dare
 
8:37 PM
@MwBakker what is your current work schedule?
I'd like you to make a commitment in the pace of drama delivery
 
07:00am till 16:00pm mostly
 
hmm
 
but lately they put me a few days a week on 12:30pm to 16:30 which sucks because it's only 4hr work. But I have a 0 hour contract now so this is all by choice
 
@JBis quit pretending to think, we know you don't do that
 
during the 12:30pm till 16:30 days I have this week I spent the morning and evening working on my app so I can log into stack during that
 
8:39 PM
@MwBakker I'd appreciate if you rearranged your schedule to 04:00 - 13:00
 
but as I am working on my app and am in this room my gf is on the videophone chatting with me and asking more of my attention
 
I'll talk shit Tues-Wednesday 10am to 3pm -7 GMT
 
@Mehdi xD
 
@DaveS That is perfectly reasonable Dave, we'd appreciate you give us a couple more days, maybe Monday and Thursday?
 
I'll consider it but probably not, those are work from home standup days
 
8:41 PM
can i get a R15 car while performing my work?
 
busy talking shit to my team
 
and scheduled real life meetings please
 
dave cant chat in R15 and stand up at the same time
poor multi tasking skills
note this down on his performance review mehdi
 
@DaveS I don't know if you met Payel (the new CF, basically CF^CF) but I think you'd find the investment worthwhile
 
exponentially more CF sounds like something to be avoided
 
8:42 PM
lmao
payel and raymond were both chatting with me at the same time and I felt like I was in an autism sanwich
 
ballBreaker the high functioning cheese
5
 
she's a professional propaganda spreader in favor of the russian regime, from what she claims
 
hahahahahahah
 
oh geeze
 
@DaveS ha
 
Tim
8:46 PM
And she nearly got me my account here deleted
 
lmao did the mods delete that comment
that was hilarious
I audibly gasped
 
now I want to know the comment
 
Tim
Not even a mod but a staff member
 
2 staff members + 1 mod actually :D
 
in Trash can, Oct 20 at 19:28, by Tim
Wow I'm being oppressed, freedom of speech anyone
and then follow from here
Oct 20 at 19:32, by Catija
@Tim You don't have freedom of speech here. This is a private website and we have expectations that you treat others with respect.
the drama before "im being oppressed" was tim made a sarcastic comment about religion and payel flagged it and it drew in 2 staff members
or lets say "sarcastic"
 
8:49 PM
oh geeze I see some similar drama in discord
 
we also lost valuable users
Apr 13 '18 at 11:22, by Akash Singh
Here waste on time , i leave this group. Bye
3
 
Tim
I was just voicing my opinion which I have learned is not allowed
 
the best part is that I was like "lets say the magic word to summon payel back in" and tim said what he said
and she flagged it and IMMEDIATELY it got removed
it was truly the magic words
ok maybe not the best part
 
was it something like all religions are made up bullshit used to persuade the masses to follow arbitrary rules while no one is looking?
 
no it wasn't even that bad
it was something like
 
8:52 PM
maybe I'll come in on the occasional monday and thursday
 
<redacted>
 
Tim
It was in that direction but more specifically tailored to something she said just before that was only meant for those who share her religion, it was a non English message and I felt excluded
 
ah
made it personal
if you're gonna troll in a moderated room you gotta speak generally
 
hmm ok, i have concluded my thinking for the day
 
nice
 
8:54 PM
JBis running on an 8 bit calculator
 
Tim
It wasn't personal it was generalized to the whole religion
 
a wild carl appears
 
oh wow
 
Tim
Not even that
"I don't care" but not in those words
Oh well we had a fun night
 
sounds interesting
 
Tim
8:57 PM
Mehdi charming the staff really saved the day
 
yeah it really did
 
mehdi the snake staff charmer
sounds like a nsfw job title
 
I don't think I was helping at all although I felt like I was
> who was the community manager everyone hated
he probably thought you were her
was my contribution
 
always helpful
 
interesting, it seems the FDA is more homophobic than racist
 
9:00 PM
why not both?
 
@DaveS hahaha honestly it was @twiz throwing a comment like the whole thing was just a big useless misunderstanding "i wouldn't think too much of it" :D
 
haha yeah that was hilariously disarming actually
 
and then
Oct 20 at 20:12, by twiz
Why thank you good sir! I gleefully accept your invitation to the trash can this fine evening.
XD
 
gold
 
Tim
@ballBreaker really says something that they instantly knew who you meant
 
9:04 PM
@JBis i'd love for you to elaborate on your research
@Tim lmao yeah seriously
if you had to choose a class for your future child what class would you choose
dave feel free to choose classes for your existing children
 
Tim
Warlock and I'm his patron
 
nice
Bard
so I can live vicariously through their musical achievements
 
9:23 PM
@ballBreaker Unfortunately I seemed to have read the data a bit wrong. The CDC report I was using seems to be missing data to be conclusive, but basically my logic is as follows. The FDA requires MSM (men who have sex with men) to wait 3 months before they can donate blood. The justification is that HIV prevalence among MSM is much higher than general population. However, the HIV prevalence among African Americans is also much higher than general population, yet there is no requirement for waiting period for AA people.
 
based on their personalities my oldest would be a Bard and my youngest would be a dual classed barbarian wizard
 
That data missing is the actual prevalence rate for MSM. So I am unable to compare the prevalence rate difference between MSM - GP (general population) and AA - GP.
 
@DaveS lmao the youngest must be wild
 
The reason it's missing is because there is no category for who people have sex with on the US census but there is for race.
 
so your reasoning there is that because black people get aids more than white people but gay people get aidds more than black people, that the FDA is more homophobic than racist
because they block gay people but not black people, but they block gay black people
 
9:27 PM
@JBis won't be enough to draw a conclusion, there is also a few other data points missing, the socio economic class of blood donors + education + geographical region + age + ....
AA as a category makes no sense whatsoever
 
aids statistics are actually pretty interesting
 
it's like saying: Humans
 
chance of aids

straight white man < straight white woman < straight black woman < straight black man < gay white man < gay black man
IIRC
african american is a weird term
 
as I said, I think this is a gross summarisation that doesn't necessarily allow the drawing of reasonable conclusions, can't have 2 dimensions "skin + gender" and call it a day
 
Gay men are over half the new cases of HIV yet a small percentage of the population. While African Americans are disproportionately impacted by HIV the relative chance a donation is infected is much much smaller for a straight black man than it is for a gay man
 
9:32 PM
actually I think gay people are like 20% of the population or something
and would span across races obviously
correct that stat if I'm wrong but I seemed to remember hearing 1/5
 
it's like 4.5%
most people estimate it to be higher
 
ah fair then
that makes more sense to me
 
@ballBreaker gay people get HIV more than general population, black people get HIV more than general population but there is only restriction on gay people
 
it depends more on the stats themselves than that black-and-white comparison though
 
because 1/6 gay men in general will have HIV in their lifetime because being gay is such a big factor
it's nowhere near that close for straight black men
Nearly 38,000 new cases of HIV were diagnosed in the United States and dependent areas in 2018. Among those, 11,905 cases were diagnosed in Black men — and of those, 9,444 cases were diagnosed in Black MSM, according to the CDC.
based on these numbers you can see straight black men are ~2500 cases but should be 20x more of them than gay men
the relative chance for a donation being infected is much smaller
 
Tim
9:36 PM
dave your rep count is exactly how many exp x 1000 you need to get lv 85 in a skill in runescape
 
nice thats what I was trying to find
 
None of what y'all saying is wrong (socio economic etc.). My point is that other high risk groups exist and MSM is the only that must wait 3 months. I simply chose African american as a group.
 
yeah but you're comparing a 20x chance to a 2x chance is what we're saying
 
MSM are the highest risk group, at such a disproportionate rate that it's a safety issue
 
@DaveS where this from?
 
Tim
9:37 PM
facebook
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let me find it
 
@Tim lmao
 
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier you got a new middle name, congrats? :)
 
> LIFETIME HIV RISK
AMONG GAY AND BISEXUAL MEN

If current rates persist
1 IN 6 gay and bisexual men
1 IN 2 African American gayand bisexual men
1 IN 4 Latino gay and bisexual men
may be diagnosed with HIV
in their lifetime
 
9:39 PM
@Mehdi :P started using one of my birth names :)
 
@DaveS I'm a big fan of healthline, and the vulgarisation / summarisation work they do
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier so your first birth name is: Félix Adriyel?
 
@DaveS this makes no sense
 
looking to move towards Adriyel
 
if you are gay but not black 1/6
if you are gay and black 50%
if you are gay and latino 25%
 
9:40 PM
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier hahaha felt like you used Felix enough? :D
 
something like that :)
 
I'm not sure how the CDC concluded that
the data sheet referenced says nothing about that
 
probably based on modeling the rate of infection vs the population estimates and average life expectancy
 
yeah some modelling as it says "if rates persist"
 
The only relevant statistic is prevalence, and that is missing
 
9:42 PM
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier too many felix the cat references perhaps?
 
okay there's 42 million black people and 298k heterosexual cases, lets say ALL of those are black people the prevelance is still lower that MSM cases
you don't need specific data to reach the conclusion it's much higher risk to be in the MSM group than the black group, justifying the restriction.
 
also keep in mind that blood is typically in a shorter supply than the demand, so this restriction isn't done lightly either
and to impose a restriction on like.. what.. 30%? of the population is kind of insane
 
Back on my phone so I can't check the stats I was using
Will send in a bit
 
well if you use very generous assumptions using the data on the CDC sheet, the upper bound for HIV prevalence among straight black adults would be %0.7
estimated 3.9% of men identify as gay, that's a population of 6.3 million
with 648k cases that's a 10% prevelance
 
intersting
whats the stat for straight white people
 
9:55 PM
235 million vs 42 million, if assuming all those cases were in white people it would be about 1/5th - 1/6th the chance
but the real chances are lower for both groups because those 298k cases are split
 
makes sense
 
about twice as many cases in the black population, even over estimating with latino populations at a 25%, 25%, 50% share, you'd get 0.35% among straight black people and .03% cases among straight white people
 

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