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11:00 PM
likely this computer just can't do it. i'm on latest chrome, but this pc is a potato
 
So how does that image represent taking a stand against unconstitutional action?
 
depends on what you consider an unconstitutional action
 
big gulp
 
do you think drone strikes ordered by Trump are constitutional action?
^ you should think really hard about his one
 
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11:05 PM
@tereško were they under Obama?
 
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:p
 
@tereško - Do you think that preventing refugees is a constitutional action?
 
@TravisJ which refugees are being prevented from entering?
I haven't read about any refugee boats crossing the Atlantic
 
A bad joke, apparently.
 
there are some refugees entering USA from South-America, but those have been usually sent back since 2000ish
 
11:09 PM
That would be conflating several issues.
 
the "refugee problem" in USA is completely different from one in Greece
 
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Sadly, rather than affecting refugees, it has affected normal people this time. And that is just not acceptable.
 
@tereško - I can agree with that.
 
It's gigantic security theater at the expense of minorities
I mean … those midwesteners who wanted/support the ban are those who live far away from any potential terrorist target.
 
@bwoebi according to Guardian, it's affecting 100-200 people .. not sure how you determined that they are minorities though
 
11:13 PM
eh, no, not necessarily, there's military bases all over.
 
@tereško the amount of people landing in US from these 7 countries is minor, or did I get that wrong?
 
@tereško - 100 to 200 perhaps in the first hour.
 
in 2015 ~50k people immigrated to the US from the 7 countries banned, out of 1,000,000+ people. 5% of the immigrants have be told : wait 90 days
 
well, @KevinB, the Smurf-in-Charge decides to close bases in Japan and Germany, it probably would be a good idea
 
@tereško I am not so sure.
 
11:15 PM
I don't see how that has garnered as much attention as it should, however it really shows the state of the US and that it's really not ready to house that many new immigrants. It's full of hate on both sides and the poor immigrants would get stuck in the middle.
 
@RyanTernier - It isn't just about immigrants, these countries were targeted for being the only places where refugees can seek asylum from in the world.
 
@tereško i was more referring to inside the US
 
@tereško I assume the purple is void of USA military?
 
do you think Australia is in danger or a threat ?
 
11:17 PM
@tereško I am aware. And I'm not so sure whether it would be a good thing if they retired some forces
@tereško no. But having points of presence is sending a signal to non-NATO countries
 
my point was more than someone being in the mid-west doesn't make their fear any less rational than someone being in new york.
 
@RyanTernier There isn't US military in North Korea as far as I'm aware, so I'd say purple is US occupied
 
occupied isn't really the word I would use for military stations
> The Statue of Liberty is the “Mother of Exiles”; how can we slam the door on desperate refugees? Religious liberty is a founding American value; how can our government discriminate against people of any religion? In a nation made rich by immigrants, why would we signal to the world that we no longer welcome new talent? In a nation of laws, how can we reject students and others who have established legal rights to be here?
 
@bwoebi yeah ... do you know what moving army in Poland and Estonia was signaling to the local NATO countries? "Don't start WW3! Don't start WW3! Seriously, assholes, stop making it fucking worse!!"
 
@tereško I mean, people like to bash about their presence, but is their presence really that bad?
@tereško Yeah, I disagree about reacting to Russian provocations
 
@tereško I wouldn't get in the habit of directly quoting other people who would otherwise be violating the "Be nice" policy
 
@bwoebi what russian provocations?
 
@tereško - Do you accept criticism as harshly as you seem to insinuate it in others?
 
@4castle Hmm well France there is purple but there are no US military base here (there were, but not anymore).
 
@tereško well, that's not getting your soldiers under control…
 
11:22 PM
@4castle I'm pretty sure the USA doesn't have military presense in Canada, except for Nuke defense shield
 
@tereško I don't remember exactly, but these army movements AFAIK were a reaction to Russian movements
@tereško also I imagine if US had a point of presence on Crimea, Russia wouldn't have annexed it...
 
@bwoebi I live in that area. There were no Russian provocations.
 
@tereško I may misremember then
 
@RyanTernier - There are 139 service members listed as active in Canada. Not sure if that qualifies as a military presence per se
 
the USA just started escalating, stating the "DNC hacks" as the reasoning
 
11:25 PM
@TravisJ We have more RCMP that that in the USA teaching their police... Guess Canada has an armed presence in the USA. MWHAHAHA
 
@tereško I'd be amused if US started indirectly influencing the next Kremlin elections
 
@RyanTernier you might notice that the map has some weasel-words in it: "presence"
 
@RyanTernier - Yes, our military is strongly connected. Clearly Canada has occupied the US :P
 
@bwoebi isn't that what CNN is for?
 
@tereško Is Russia watching CNN?!?
 
11:26 PM
a lot actually
 
The Canadian News Network is very biased to USA news. it's annoying.
 
also, please note that there was never given any proof that Russia was involved in DNC leaks
 
@tereško There wasn't… the only thing I noticed is Trump suddenly also accusing Russia…
 
instead it was basically CIA saying: "trust us"
 
For whatever reason…
 
11:29 PM
@bwoebi I might have missed that one. Any google keywords?
 
Russian funding goes towards many right wing hate groups.
 
@TravisJ citation needed
 
@tereško - Will it change your mind? I doubt it.
 
maybe not, but I will at least know that you didn't just make it up
 
Most of the things you say here have been rooted in alternative facts.
I am hard pressed to respond to any questioning of citation from someone who does not believe in fact.
 
11:31 PM
which parts?
what do I need to provide citations for?
I have actually linked only to CNN and CNBC ... oh and CBS
 
> Igor Sutyagin, the Russia specialist at the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) said that Russia’s propaganda machine was currently “very active”, deploying what security experts call “hybrid warfare” that blends conventional military power with guerrilla tactics and cyber warfare.
 
> For months, Mr. Trump rejected the finding that Russia was behind the hacking, accusing the intelligence agencies of incompetence and political bias. After a classified briefing in New York a month ago, he grudgingly accepted that Russia had a role, while playing down the hacking by noting that China and other countries also hacked the United States.
there were earlier reports
 
You can see evidence of this in many places. Not trusting the director of the CIA is ignoring fact.
> “The Russian campaign exists in a grey area, operating covertly - and often legally - to avoid political blowback, but with the clear aim of weakening Western will to fight, maturing doubts over Nato, the EU, Trident and economic sanctions,” Igor Sutyagin said.
 
but I have a hard time to find that all between the bigger stories about Trumps alleged ties to Russia, his Russia lauding etc.
 
@bwoebi that's kinda vague. Since the reports that I heard about cited RT as the "Russian tool to influence elections"
"had a role" can mean anything
 
11:36 PM
@tereško yeah, we still have no idea what role
 
and if the briefing was from CIA ...
 
Hard to tell without seeing how much money Russia has contributed to him from his taxes. Perhaps none. Perhaps a significant portion.
 
why would you expect to see any of that money in his taxes?
 
@tereško Well, he must have seen some evidence, otherwise he'd just continued calling them incompetent, louder than before I guess.
 
@TravisJ have you already forgotten Panama papers?
@TravisJ not trusting CIA is a good long terms strategy: they are paid to lie
 
11:40 PM
@tereško … by whom?
 
by the government
but for some reason they have been engaging in some sort of battle with Trump
 
The CIA is paid to lie to the American people? This is what I mean by the dangerous belief in alternative fact.
 
basically, USA is fucked :D and it your own fault
 
All of the US? That is quite a large brush to paint with.
 
@TravisJ dunno ... they did lie about WoMD in Irak
 
11:43 PM
Is this your opinion?
 
@TravisJ yes. All of it. You made it so that the choice was between corrupt war monger and a buffoon and people wen with the least dangerous
@TravisJ no, it is the opinion that I was told to propegate by my Russian handlers
 
It is not surprising that it is easier for you to post memes than have a discussion about why it is wrong to ban refugees from seeking asylum.
 
we were not discussing refugees
that's kinda dishonest of you
 
41 mins ago, by Travis J
@tereško - Do you think that preventing refugees is a constitutional action?
 
41 min ago
 
11:48 PM
Could say Infinity. You clearly will not have that discussion.
Why be in a place that is about taking a stand against such an action then?
 
I am not a US constitutional scholar
and I suspect neither are you
 
I am married to one.
 
@TravisJ "Discussing about why it is wrong to ban refugees from seeking asylum" is not a discussion because it already states that it's wrong.
 
I helped her write a 400 page masters thesis for us history. I may not be a scholar directly, but I have spent countless hours studying the subject.
 
11:50 PM
@TravisJ how exactly that transfer of knowledge works
 
I followed all of her studies.
 
The issue of refugees seeking asylum does lead to discussion. Openness.
 
so enlighten me - how is it unconstitutional
 
I assume the US has an institute that is supposed to make sure the constitution is always uphold. Unless it makes a ruling.... it's just opinions on whether something is unconstitutional or not.
 
@tereško - U.S. Code › Title 8 › Chapter 12 › Subchapter II › Part I › § 1158, is federal law stating that refugees may seek asylum.
 
11:54 PM
may seek
it's kinda different from must be granted
 
@tereško - Yes, that is true. Not all asylum is granted. However, denying it solely based on race, religion, gender, or location is where the unconstitutional aspect enters.
Everyone has the right to seek asylum.
 

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