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9:00 PM
Religion helps, too
 
@JanDvorak helps what?
 
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How can you get away from it? 9/10 news stories right now are Trump. We apparently turned hydrogen into metal in the last few days, anyone discussing that?
 
@NickDewitt we did:P
 
@NickDewitt That was fascinating
 
@TylerH helps keep your mind calm
 
9:00 PM
@TylerH avoiding both prolongs lifespan
 
We also created time crystals
 
@AndrasDeak do you want to be in an echochember? Because that's how you end up in an echochember.
 
@TylerH meh
still have to read the PRL
 
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I know! tell me about it
 
@rlemon hi
@NickDewitt Well so basically most matter at zero energy state is still because obviously movement requires energy
 
9:01 PM
@TylerH ✋
 
@tereško my general stance is "if it's big enough, I'll hear about it anyway", and it's been working consistently
 
wait, did you mean that literally?
 
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And now the guys who answer all my questions before i even asked them are debating whether or not they should be debating something on a certain discussion board
 
I'm here, aren't I?:D
 
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this has blown my brain more than brexit or trump lol
 
9:01 PM
or as a figure of speech
 
@NickDewitt - That claim was rather dubious unfortunately.
 
Best case scenario: the hydrogen won't explode as soon as you let it free, meaning you can use it to store energy for spaceships. Worst case scenario: it will.
 
@rlemon sorry to hear about the shooting in CA
 
yea, sucks.
 
@TylerH something something zero point energy
 
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9:02 PM
@TravisJ I know but it's still up for debate, scientifically.
 
we thought we were safe with all the cold and thankyous
 
@NickDewitt based on my experience with r/politics, that has been going on since at least the start of 2016
 
apparently not..
 
@JanDvorak - It wont explode. It will just not stay metallic, if it were, and revert to liquid.
 
@JanDvorak nah solid state hydrogen has a certain property common among elements where, when you release the pressure, it stays in its shape, until you heat it up (denature it)
 
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9:02 PM
Anyone watched hypernormalisation by Adam curtis?
 
just like forming diamonds under pressure, once you remove the pressure, it doesn't turn back into graphite or loose carbon molecules
@rlemon and the poutine
 
That's a nice comparison
 
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The bit when Putin hires a theatre bloke who finances both the feminists and the Nazis, which leads to russia today, smacks of what is happening right now.
 
poutines bring people, they don't detour anything
 
wait, we can make metallic hydrogen now?
 
9:03 PM
#godwin
 
@tereško yea it's exciting
 
that's actually pretty cool
 
@tereško yeah, it took just some 400 GPa
 
I posted about it in the JS room a couple days ago
 
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@tereško it's up for peer review and debate, unlike a lot in society today
 
9:03 PM
and a temperature of 25K
 
@NickDewitt - Yeah. The main issue I think their research has is: A) they didn't complete the procedure, and B) the material observed can also come from diamond breaking down at that high of pressure.
 
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@TravisJ yeah i know, they aren't maintaining silence though - they have posted more on how they polished the diamonds after realising that since
 
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They hit problems with the hydrogen entering and cracking the crystals under the pressure but have worked through that they claim
 
I would like it to be successful, I just wish they were more thorough before releasing what can at this point only be called assumptions.
 
9:06 PM
Any new development regarding the microwave cone... I mean, EM drive?
 
nope
 
Time crystals on the other hand, that was interesting
 
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I just want to know more about if they got it superconducting, and if it stayed metallic afterwards tbh
 
@JanDvorak almost 500
not that it matters
 
@NickDewitt - They can't test it for conductivity while it is in the anvil
 
9:07 PM
but it's shiny!
 
A room temperature superconductor would be sweet.
 
just don't get it to spark
 
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@TravisJ I know :( I want to know more though! I want my bloody Iron Man suit..
 
@JanDvorak cold fusion too
 
@tereško it might suffice to get the Sun to work for us.
 
9:08 PM
I just hope that in my time they put some resources/money together to finally solve the mystery of the disappearing socks in my dryer
 
would sandals be a solution?
 
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I must admit, it also makes the laugh, that in the year boeing announced they would make a flying car, and drones made 30% of headlines, we think that a $25bn wall will solve any problem.. it would get voted out of existence as a logical idea on any so forum..
 
not in Canada
 
@JanDvorak that's not all that simple - you need to have a working moon base to start even thinking about making a Dyson swarm, which would then power the star-lifting operation
 
@rlemon - Solved that a long time ago. They don't disappear in your dryer. You lose them to and from it.
 
9:09 PM
Oh. I thought you meant California.
 
@TravisJ impossible. dirty clothes come off my body into the wash, and out of the dryer onto my body
 
@tereško an earth-based field of solar panels would suffice for now
 
I save money on dressers and baskets
 
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@rlemon have you solved the sock sorting problem?
 
@tereško only 20 years away
 
9:10 PM
@NickDewitt buy all the same kind
 
every year
 
never sort.
 
@JanDvorak not for nuclear synthesis
 
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@rlemon touche.
 
@TylerH that's the "hot fusion"
 
9:10 PM
yes ^
also known as thermonuclear fusion
 
it's actually a tech that we need before being able to make a proper moon base
 
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@tereško what, sock sorting?
 
we'll also need to reinvent the moon rocket
 
asteroid base here we come
 
@rlemon same problem: reliable energy source
 
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9:13 PM
BS, we just need a moon rope - drop a boulder to the moon and one to the earth with a rope tied to it (in reverse proportions of course) and then they will just float a bit above each body..
 
@tereško sure, but no (little) of that pesky gravity to deal with.
 
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@rlemon gravity is the friend of the moonrope.
 
@rlemon and keep in mind that a asteroid base would require a rotating habitat
 
@NickDewitt but makes landing a bitch.
@tereško for automation?
 
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@rlemon nah you just fly down (or up) to the platform
 
9:14 PM
@rlemon for "asteroid base"
 
doesn't have to have people on it full time
 
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might take out a few satellites, but screw them they are old school
 
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who even has satellites these days?
 
could be like an asteroid mining base / gas station
 
@NickDewitt actually we could make a space elevator with the current tech on the Moon
 
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9:15 PM
I would attach a space elevator to my moonrope
 
@tereško cold fusion too
 
@rlemon then we need a better AI, because light speed is pretty slow on the scale of solar system
 
though hot fusion will actually be achieved some day
cold fusion is a fool's errand by our current understanding of physics
 
@tereško there is already 'plans' on asteroid mining.
not sure how serious those plans are... but they are being discussed as possible.
 
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"we" will achieve hot fusion one day - we kind of rely on it already happening.
 
9:17 PM
it is being worked on
there are two major projects, one in EU and on in China ... and USA has some stupid laser-thing which probably won't ever work
... unless the are making a kugelblitz
 
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@tereško can you elaborate on the possible space elevator tech?
 
@tereško ITER?
 
@TylerH yes
 
@TylerH yes, that's one of them
 
or the NIF
I guess ITER is the one in France
 
9:21 PM
yes
 
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yeah
 
@TylerH NIF is the laser thing
 
the NIF is likely the place where America is doing something if it involves lasers
 
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lockheed have one too don't they?
 
@NickDewitt undoubtedly but not on the same scale as the NIF
 
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9:21 PM
Aren't they trying to make a portable one?
 
@TylerH as I said, they could be able to make a kugelblitz that way, but I would not bet on fusion reactor
 
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@tereško cheers mate, that kind of backs up my ridiculous moonrope theory, I shall use that in future for certain! :D
 
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Who knows, maybe the next popular chant could be "build a rope"..
 
well, we still cant make space elevator on Earth - no mass-producible materials
thought, you could go the other way around and create an orbital ring
 
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I still have faith in space star ordering youtube.com/watch?v=sarJtKM-Ku4
 
9:29 PM
:D
 
@tereško look up LiftPort for the closest attempt
 
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I had an orbital ring once, it wasn't a pleasant experience.
 
using carbon nanotube 'tape' with a robot that scaled the length of the elevator pulling more materials up and back down
carbon nanotube materials are one of the few that are light and strong enough to be used for a space elevator
 
but it's is not an available technology
 
right, their goal was to fundraise to create a viable proof of concept and then work on mass production
but that involved serious new science
hence why no one has still heard of liftport :-P
 
9:33 PM
"can produce in a lab" is no the same as "can make 10'000 tons of it"
 
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That's why we need some goddamn metallic hydrogen, cut some carbon fibre / hydrogen metal alloy and then we are cooking on gas - all we would need then was a good towel and we would be set.
 
there are other launch systems that are more viable for Earth right now
 
space ramps! woooo
@NickDewitt yeah, single state rockets to the edge of the solar system is really promising
 
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My vote is on the infinite improbability drive once d-wave gets to a few gigaqubits.
 
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Of course, the odds on that are quite long.. But it's a paradoxical bet.
 
9:38 PM
currently we really lack options for getting shit into orbit
 
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@TylerH i was just off-quoting Hitchhiker's guide btw
 
That, specifically, we don't need to get into orbit
 
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@tereško yeah, limited to "blow it up with a bit of precision"
 
and even if the magical EM Drive works, it wont get any better
 
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Although I must admit, watching spacex land their rockets on a drone barge is mightily impressive.
 
9:39 PM
you cant use it for getting off the planet
same way with Ion Drives
@NickDewitt they haven't yet reused any of those rockets
 
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@tereško Still impressive to watch them land
 
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@teresko speaks more for landings on another planet in one piece than re-using on earth in some ways too
 
Why aren't we talking about social justice issues
 
@PhilipKirkbride because SJWs are cancer, while space and futurism is cool
 
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I believe we are about to compare Joel to Hitler, and then we should be done on here. Didn't you buy one of the programmes?
 
9:44 PM
I'm fine with spaceships as long as they aren't phallic shaped
 
.. or white
:D
(sorry, I had to)
 
@NickDewitt Let's not use the H-word, please
 
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Rofl, I didn't have a christmas tree until I was maybe 10 for that exact reason
 
literally hitler
 
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Not by my my choice lol
 
9:46 PM
@NickDewitt you live in Florida or something
hmm .. profile says "UK"
you moved?
 
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@tereško nah in the UK, grew up in a christian cult though
 
oh dear
 
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Believe it or not, there are weirdos everywhere, they just vary by statistic
 
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It has left me quite skeptical, funnily enough :p
 
@NickDewitt have you seen this video: youtube.com/watch?v=IaUhR-tRkHY
(not about current culture war)
 
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9:49 PM
nah (not yet) i will have a look though, is it worth it? I am quite a long way out now mind.
 
it's about how people end up in cults
 
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Ahh you don't need to tell me, my poor mum i don't blame her. I will have a look though, always interested in more perspective.
 
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I was born into one, so i know how it happened to me xD
 
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I think this is why i have such a problem with this, i see so many of those techniques being employed on the wider community right now.. many people are ending up in cults on either side through exceptional outrage and political activism. Most of the actors in the world right now are extreme in one way or another. Hate and disgust are the most powerful emotions to tap into, and they can easily blind sensible people from rational thought.
 
Is it normal for posts to continue to show up in the featured posts after the [featured] tag is removed? I was wondering if it's just me
 
10:00 PM
@4castle Caching
 
Thought so
 
ctrl+f5 should help
 
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@tereško how is that not about current culture war lol?
 
@NickDewitt :D
the direct story is about scientology
 
I'm refreshing the page a bunch, but it's still there
 
10:02 PM
@NickDewitt the parallels with "progressives" that you see are just in your head
... probably
 
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@tereško but scientology just employs basic mind control techniques that have been used forever
 
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more commonly known as "religion" lol
 
yeah, it came out of the featured area this morning after the post was locked
it's now back in the featured area
but it never left the box, because when it was no longer featured, it was still "hot"
 
and this is why Joel should have never posted it
 
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You can't believe something religiously and scientifically at the same time.
 
10:05 PM
@NickDewitt you are preaching to the choir
 
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You should hope I know and believe that, I run the stats on the drugs that might be on the market in 15 years lol.
 
what drugs?
 
@NickDewitt I'm not sure what you're referring to. I generally regard the big bang as both a religious and scientific topic
As an example
 
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If you believe something religously, you are unwilling to change from your belief. Scientists change based on evidence.
 
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Big bang has changed, if you read up.
 
10:07 PM
^ a lot actually
 
@NickDewitt it's more like a big rubberband now
 
no, it's more like "multiverse" now
 
Sure, but there are religious beliefs out there that agree with science. Are those categorized as a scientific belief?
 
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@tereško Toxicology, a lot of repro tox, I am happy to work somewhere that can save childrens lives (as i have 4), and somewhere that could have helped saved my mum's.
 
well multiverse is not really related to the origin of our universe
 
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10:08 PM
That's science though, we don't know everything - it's all up for debate too.
 
@TylerH not the "parallel universe" and "m-banes". More along the lines of "there probably was more than one Big Bang"
 
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Nothing wrong with being "spiritual". We can only "science" what we can observe, and after all we could all be a simulation in which we can only observe what is simulated.
 
As another example, some believe the Bible points to the existence of DNA, a spherical Earth, and the water cycle. Which don't seem to be up for scientific debate at large
 
@tereško yes, hence rubber banding. Expansion, retraction, expansion again, etc.
cyclical
 
no
 
10:11 PM
yes
 
look up "inflation theory"
 
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@4castle are you joking?
 
I know that's not what you're talkign about
I'm just saying it is one of several working theories
 
that "rubber band" thing was popular in 80s/90s
 
@NickDewitt I was referring to scientific debate. Not sure what you were referring to
 
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10:13 PM
@4castle are you referring to scientific debate from the 1800's?
 
@NickDewitt he is probably referring to Psalm 139 which is a stretch if ever you've seen one
 
@NickDewitt I'm confused.
 
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@4castle we realised.
 
@4castle sorry, but bible does not have any scientific content
 
Is it up for scientific debate now or something?
 
10:14 PM
it's a collection of bronze age fairy tales
 
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@4castle everything is.
 
@tereško You don't have to believe they are true for it to be someone else's religious belief
 
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@4castle the process is called "peer review".
 
^ that
 
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You can dispute it if you have evidence, and logic to portray that evidence with.
 
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10:16 PM
This is a very good place to start, as we deal with questions based primarily on boolean logic.
 
Is it relevant whether or not the religious belief is valid? I thought we were just talking about if people can have religious beliefs that can agree with science, so I gave an example
 
5 mins ago, by 4castle
As another example, some believe the Bible points to the existence of DNA, a spherical Earth, and the water cycle. Which don't seem to be up for scientific debate at large
citation needed
 
@tereško Citation being that it's my belief. I'm not here to discuss it
 
where does bible point to existence of DNA
 
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Belief is not valid on here, we need evidence and / or code.
 
10:17 PM
@4castle do you believe in Odin? Probably not. Now - think on why do you not believe in Odin.
 
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I believe, more now than ever might i add, that i have the god given right to grab who i like by the pussy. Is that valid?
 
@tereško Odin hasn't changed my life, or anyone I'm close to
 
so what?
 
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@4castle believe in a god by all means, but why do you believe the writings of men who came so many generations before information was open for criticism on the scale that you enjoy of such a site that we have the pleasure to debate on today?
 
nevermind that
@4castle how exactly do you know that it was Yahveh that changed you life and not the invisible power of Poseidon?
 
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10:22 PM
This desperate devolution of this discussion has just led me to reaffirm my devotion to space star ordering youtube.com/watch?v=sarJtKM-Ku4
 
I just have never understood religious people
 
how did this get to parallel universes, boolean logic, religion?
 
The Bible is my source of information on what changed my life, so that's what I believe.
 
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Seriously, condense a processor to 10nm and they will utilise it to argue that physics is the devil!
 
what information ?
I personally use wikipedia .. and google
mostly google
 
10:24 PM
I'll be honest, I'm not comfortable discussing this here. Sorry I brought it up
 
Can we keep it civil, please?
David Robinson on January 30, 2017
A while back I encountered a developer who shared a story of a positive experience on Stack Overflow. He'd asked a question late one Sunday on Labor Day weekend, and been delighted that he'd quickly gotten multiple responses. He said he was impressed that someone else in San Francisco was also "burning the midnight oil," and noted it as a testament to the work ethic in Silicon Valley.
 
@4castle ok. I will go with a but more simple questions. Since you are Christian (of some type), why do you pray?
 
@tereško In order to talk with God
 
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@4castle Fair enough mate, we are not trying to be mean. If you don't want to discuss your beliefs, that's your perogative. Please bear in mind though, usually those you are not prepared to discuss are those you are not sure of yourself. We are not trying to be nasty, we just disagree with you.
 
@4castle why?
isn't Yahveh omniscient?
 
10:28 PM
"(You can rotate or resize the globe with your mouse)" Lies!
 
It's a shame SO has taken a Trump approach to a Trump problem. Joel's the boss doing what he wants and having his underlings dictate the state of affairs (in as far as his reach extends). Sounds somewhat similar to Trump's approach. This community, this massive chat room, the open/close wars proves SO is divided, just as your country is divided at the moment. I'm personally glad it's not my country. I personally wish you all the best.
 
@tereško I do it because that's how God asks us to talk with him, and because I feel better when I do
 
@4castle why would an omniscient being ask you to talk to it?
 
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@4castle Do Bush and Trump claim any different?
 
("feeling better" is subjective, I can't touch that - it's strictly subjective)
 
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10:31 PM
Belief is what got us to this ridiculous world situation, why do facts not matter more now that there are so many smartphones in so many hands?
 
@NickDewitt no sure what smartphones have to do with any of it
 
@Shog9 Finally something that's not using abject wording and political opinions, but focuses on facts about SO. About time.
 
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Seriously, if someone had asked "what is wrong with the world" in javascript on SO by now, there would be 76 jquery plugins trying to solve it, and one vanilla JS solution that solved it all 5 years ago
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@tereško Because he wants us to? I'm not sure where this discussion is going
 
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@tereško well we all have access to information now, not by proxy but by choice.
 
10:33 PM
@NickDewitt JavaScript is what's wrong with the world
 
@4castle my point is that you have not really thought about what it would mean from some being to be omniscient
 
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@mikeTheLiar but at least we would have got an answer by pitting people against eachother instead of bullshit
 
@NickDewitt you could argue that the search engines and social platforms are acting as proxies now
 
@tereško I have. Being omnicient doesn't mean being hands-off
 
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@tereško yeah, i kind of agree, and if you try to "see the other side" on youtube you get plagued by awful suggestions, facebook and youtube have made the personal bubble worse
 
10:36 PM
@tereško It seems to me you're picking the wrong battle. You appear to be liberal (very much so). From what I've read 4castle hasn't really taken any stance against liberals, only asserting his right to religion. Would you have this same discussion with a non-christian theist?
 
@4castle no. It means that you know everything. Everything that is, everything that was and everything that will be.
 
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@Sidney you don't pick your battles against logic, you either fight or not.
 
@Sidney I am also enjoying Trumps presidency, and Brexit ... :D
 
@tereško Well, I don't believe the Bible teaches that God is omnicient of everything that will be
 
@4castle ok. So you are not Catholic, Lutheran or Orthodox . What is your denomination?
 
10:38 PM
@tereško I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I wrote about this topic here actually
 
Praying isn't telling god something he doesn't know, it's a recognition that his will is probably for the best. On that note though, he gave us free-will so his will will get detoured from time-to-time, but per Christianity, it will be the final say.
 
@4castle ok, so, you believe, that when Jehovah created everything, there was no plan that is currently being fulfilled?
and if that's so, then why do you actually pray? Do you pray to change your gods mind?
 
@tereško I believe he had the same plan back then as he does now
 
because it would seem that you are asking your god to change his plan .. because you want something
isn't that strange ?
 
that's not how it works
 
10:45 PM
I mean, in my prayers I'm asking him to give me his blessing, and thanking him for what he's done for me. I'm not asking that he do something contrary to what he wishes already
 
what would a blessing do?
 
@tereško This is a bad representation of prayer, coming from (understandably) a lack of knowledge of Christianity (similarly, I couldn't give a whole pile of answers on Buddhism). Prayer isn't a "Dear god please do this" it's a "Thank you for your will". While it may seem contrary to the "You scratch my back, I scratch yours", it's just the way the faith works.
 
wouldn't that change the grand plan?
and if it doesn't, wouldn't that make the paying pointless in the first place?
 
I was serious about the "keep it civil" thing a bit ago.
 
I am being quite civil, IMHO
 
10:47 PM
@tereško I don't think he was talking to you
 
not gonna oppose folks who want to talk about religion here, but if you're gonna press someone with questions only to insult them when they respond, that's time to go.
 
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@shog9 no probably me, I'm not trying to be offensive, I think i have been clear about that, but I do have a tolerance for ridiculous statements.
 
@4castle did I insult you at some point?
 
I feel comfortable so far.
I've been focussing on just teresko though
 
You're all equally heretic to me, by the way.
 
10:50 PM
BOW DOWN TO GOD EMPEROR
 
@tereško Heh, that's a pretty good one
 
@tereško heh, quit r/TheDonald …
 
lol
 
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@4castle If i have made you feel uncomfortable, I apologise. I welcome criticism on the same level that I supply it.
 
10:52 PM
@mikeTheLiar mine is of a much better quality
 
Best ones I've seen as of yet is of Queen Elizabeth Trump
 
@KevinB You can't? I can. It's an awesome bit of work that :)
 
@tereško The superiority of your meme is unquestionable.
 
* Codeman enters
* Sees picture of Queen Trump
* Codeman leaves
 
10:55 PM
Perfect.
 
this room soon will have to be renamed to "Memetic Warfare"
 
@Madivad yeah, it just doesn't do anything when i try other than disable scrolling until i click back outside fo it
 
y'all are monsters for pointing this room out to me, you know
 
@tereško I guess I've not been clear on the purpose of praying. Here's an article, and there are related articles in the right margin. Thanks for being patient. Now's probably not the time/place to keep going with the discussion.
 
@KevinB that's a shame, because it's a very interesting gfx. Mark it to come back to
 
10:59 PM
@KevinB - Have you tried disabling user scripts?
 

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