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13:00
so break the damn C compatibility
blergh.
You mean "make a new language"?
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Can't break compatibility with yourself that easily, though :P
C++ can't do that without becoming something that's not C++ i.e. something better
make C++ a new language proper.
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All the old C stuff is now effectively also C++ stuff.
13:00
NOOOOO..
@BartekBanachewicz ... like Rust? Or D?
Hey that's what Mozilla is doing
What do you know
@R.MartinhoFernandes Or Wide.
Sorry, but Wide is not self-hosting :P
13:01
I am heading on to Java then.
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actually
the Wide compiler could compile itself
it's just that it would mostly be compiling as C++ :P
Have you ever tried it?
write Wide compiler in Wide!
I did compile a few object files
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@Neil I know I am. That's why I didn't say it, of course!
but I would need to recompile LLVM and Clang with MinGW
and there's no benefit to it for me because then I can't use VS to develop anymore.
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@BartekBanachewicz It's just two taps on my phone. (TweetCaster is a nice twitter app.)
so I could do if I wanted to but it would be effort (rather than difficult) and I'd lose some of the few debugging tools I have
13:03
@sbi I use official twitter client on both my androphone and iPad, and I am quite happy thus far
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@BartekBanachewicz Once I had tried TweetCaster, I never looked back.
@sbi Ugh trolled
Recompiling Clang/LLVM, now that's an enticing two hour loss offer.
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@Neil Who is this Ugh guy? I don't think I've met him.
Erm, what?
Two hours?
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13:04
@R.MartinhoFernandes The "Ugh" he mentions. I haven't met him, even though I have seen him referred to before.
@R.MartinhoFernandes No SSD (it died recently)
Me neither!
ramdisks <3
distcc <3
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4hours :<
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Vbox, old dual-core, 2GB ram, external HDD
13:08
I build it all in RAM in two quad-core machines.
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:s
Never timed it but far less than two hours.
I don't have that much RAM, only 6GB
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AoE2 / AoE2HD , Aliens Colonial Marines, Atomic Bomberman (D2K IPX>>UDP lan Patch), Borderlands 2, Company Of Heroes, CS1.6, Dark Reign 2, Doom3RoE CO-OP, Empire Earth 2, Ghost Recon, GTA 4, Homeworld 2, Joint Operations, Killing Floor, Mercenaries 2, Minecraft, OPen Red Alert, Open TTD, OF:DR, OF:RR, Quake 3, GRID, Red Alert 2 or 3, SWAT4, Saints Row 3, Split Second, Trackmania United Forever, Unreal Tournament 1999 GOTY, anyone? LAN? CO-OP? Pet is bored...
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Builing clang doesn't take more than an hour on my machine.
13:10
@DeadMG I have 6GB in one, 8GB in another. But I have zillions RAM free because Linux.
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And I have an HDD, two cores and 4 GB RAM.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have plenty of RAM free, but that's not gonna help when VS wants to write a bunch of .obj and temporary files to disk.
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i7 here
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@DeadMG ram disk?
@DeadMG Right, that's where the RAMdisks enter.
13:11
@DeadMG It can if you use part of that RAM as a RAMdisk.
@GamErix You have terrible taste.
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@DeadMG pf
I see no Starcraft 2 there
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never tried it to be honest
why don't you play with the other kids, huh?
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13:11
does it support LAN campaign?
Everything net-wise on my box is dog-slow this morning, and Kasperky is telling me that the DB's are out-of-date again. Last time this happened, a pending, but unannounced, Firefox update caused it, only detected on a power-cycle. OK, lets try that again...
@BartekBanachewicz Can he play on Battle.net with a pirated copy?
@R.MartinhoFernandes why would he have a pirated copy?
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@BartekBanachewicz because I pirate everything?
@BartekBanachewicz Just a guess...
13:13
@GamErix well fuck you then
Go to work, you lazy ass, and don't bug us with your terribleness
Dunno, mow some lawns
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ye I work and have to pay to live you know, I'm a student and don't earn zillions
now tell me more
@GamErix We work for glory.
Ye, I'm paid with smiles and hugs
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13:14
not going to pay 60 euros for a copy of a game, 20-30 okay, but not 60
so don't play it if you can't afford it
"I am not going to pay 100k for a car so I'll just steal it"
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you can't compare a car to software
Oh gawd, not this.
50k is ok, but not 100k
I know this epsiode.
13:15
lol
don't you think?
this argument, has a tendency, like a lot of internet arguments, to go nowhere
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, I already watched this
because neither party will change their views or see the view of the other side
so why THE FUCK do you bother?
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yeah they i'll be like, ye i buy the car i canaffod, then he goes like bla why don't you pay for the games or just don't download them blabla other useless stuff blabla fuck ban.
13:16
ahahaha
if it was up to me it would be "fuck ban" indeed
@TonyTheLion Lets shake things up a bit. Lets start a meta piracy fight. Tony, I clearly think such arguments get somewhere... you'd be crazy not to think so...
Back. Adobe update was pending. Refused. Sod off.
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@Neil then people start comparing software to cars and we get back to 0
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@JerryCoffin Oops. What are you doing here? Is it bed time for me already?
13:19
@Neil nope
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@sbi Yep, old people should go to bed now.
@GamErix That's not very meta though
@sbi Not really -- still only, what, 1520 or so?
13:20
@GamErix okey, that was bad. Stealing software is different from stealing cars. Nevertheless, it's still stealing and you should feel bad.
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@Neil i can find millions of topics against piracy, millions of topics to ignore piracy and another millions of topics which say there's nothing wrong with piracy (ut ye I know it is wrong)
inb4 inviting people to play pirated games on a public chat
You cannot use inb4 for something that already happened.
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lol this room's seriously a joy killer xD
13:22
@BartekBanachewicz Please don't fuel it more. "it's still stealing" is not something everyone agrees either.
@GamErix Well they all end somewhere
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: In the business of killing joy! [c++] [c++11] [coliru] [no-helpdesk]
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh right
how could I forget
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@R.MartinhoFernandes ye i'm stealing from a monopoly which sells milk for 60$ instead of $0.75 , now we are comparing to milk, yay
ugh, just woke up and saw this.
13:23
I thinks this attitude applies with regards to those kinds of arguments.
@GamErix I don't care ok? Shut up.
@GamErix For the love of fuck, would you please stop trying to legitimize your piracy?
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@DaggNabbit There's no reason you should have to see this. You only have 8 posts in the tag, so what are you doing here anyway?
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@jalf i'm not legitimizing
@sbi lounging.
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13:25
lol I can't afford it, and stealing games does not result in any penalty from laws, that's the reason everyone can and at some point will do it
ARARGAGARAFASFA
if you want to pirate everything, that is your decision. But then have the balls to stick with it, rather than try to argue that "it's ok because I can't afford to buy"
hold me someone
before I kill a n00b
58 secs ago, by Gam Erix
@jalf i'm not legitimizing
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Oh no. Now they dragged in the penguin. I guess I'd better log out and come back in four hours to see if the discussion has died by then.
13:26
hissing zergling noise
Is this attempted defence of piracy I see before me?
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@sbi sure it will cuz I have some "fellow pirates" who want to play
just get the fuck out
I am out too. I can't stand certain people.
@ThePet There's a lot I can't afford. That does not grant me any inherent right to acquire those things anyway. Of course, I can do that anyway, and I might get away with doing it, but that does still not translate into some kind of universal right or privilege.
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Will you stop harassing that kiddo? Half the regulars here are regularly pirating. It's not like he's an exception.
13:28
@sbi Citation please.
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I admit it, doesn't mean you all have to disrespect me.
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit std::exception?
@ThePet Well, yes, it does. You are a disgrace to this community!
@sbi Thanks.
I have often faced problems when I make structure that involve pointers, and I put them into recursive functions. Is there a way to make a linked list that is recursion safe?
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Anytime.
13:28
does anyone else ever wonder how much software would cost if they didn't have like 95% shrinkage though?
@GamesBrainiac Um.

JAVA? No.

Jul 17 '12 at 22:42, 31 seconds total – 7 messages, 6 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked Mar 30 at 2:40 by Scott W

Accept that piracy is wrong. Done? Good. Now you can pirate software knowing full well that you're going to burn in hell for it.
Was this the bookmark you were looking for before?
31 seconds total to decide "JAVA? No."
13:28
photoshop probably be like 5 bucks
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Hm, no, I thought we had another one
Akin to the "fuck iostreams", "fuck integer loops" and "fuck Boost.Range" ones
@ThePet no, we don't have to disrespect you. That is a choice we make. ;)
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@R.MartinhoFernandes How would I know? I looked for one about why Java is bad which @Xeo mentioned. Since I didn't know it, I don't know whether this is it.
@Xeo I don't think we ever got a coherent discussion about how Java sucking.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't think we ever got a coherent discussion.
13:30
@sbi No, I don't think so. Piracy doesn't bother me too much. But the entitled attitude that "I have a RIGHT to get stuff I can't afford" sickens me
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And in that attitude, he is an exception. And if he isn't, I'll gladly harass others who exhibit it
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@jalf Does "I have a good reason to park here because..." sicken you, too?
@sbi hmm?
Oh god not car analogies again.
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@jalf As I said, you'd have to harass half the regulars here.
I don't see the similarity
@sbi Would I? What do you base that on?
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13:32
@jalf I know. That's what I am harassing you for.
@jalf Too many nights at the lounge. Too many beers with some loungers.
@jalf That.
@jalf And that.
Shit. On a totally unrelated issue, my torrent has no seeds now, and only at 60.1% :(
@sbi Or perhaps a misunderstanding of what my argument is.
Or a misunderstanding of what "half the regulars here" have ever said
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@jalf I cannot be bothered to start searching for such statements now, but since I have, essentially, your opinion (only with way less fervor), rest assured that I did notice when people admitted to it here.
13:35
engage witch-hunt mode
Get your ducks ready.
people admitted to having a misplaced sense of entitlement?
@sbi Yeah, I'll rest assured that your understanding of everything is correct. I'll take your word for it so you don't have to back it up with any actual facts or anything, because that'd be mean
No, actually, come to think of it, maybe not, because that would be ridiculous
I've pirated my fair share of games over the years. I don't do it any more because I don't need to, but I can totally understand why people do it, and I have no problem empathizing with people who say "this game looks awesome, and to play it, I'll have to pirate it"
What I object to is people who say "I'm can't afford this game. Therefore, it is okay for me to pirate it".
I don't have a problem if you wouldn't have bought it anyway. For me, where the doubt lies, is the accuracy of that statement "wouldn't have bought it anyway"
@ThePet Ugh what
13:40
(where, by "can't afford", people really mean "am not willing to set aside money for", because unless you live in a very poor country, you can afford to buy a game. If you watch one fewer movies, or if you drink fewer beers, or if you don't buy another game. It's not a matter of "I'll starve if I buy the game", but "I'd have to give up some other luxury")
Speaking of starving
I need to order some food
food is good
Try before you buy
@CatPlusPlus I get this mental picture of you on the floor with your rib cage clearly showing with one hand raised for typing the message on the keyboard
@Timo normally, that requires some kind of consent from the vendor, though. You can't usually try a pizza before you buy it ;)
13:43
Your brain is broken
@jalf That can depend heavily on your age. For kids living at home, even if their parents have the money, they may truly not (e.g., my kids certainly can't buy games on their own).
@JerryCoffin true enough :)
but at that age, you're probably not going to pirate a lot of games in any case, are you?
Kids nowadays? You'd be surprised
I certainly did
when I was 15 I pirated games all the time
I don't anymore
When you were 15, I'm willing to bet you had some money
13:47
indeed I did
but, well, it was entirely consumed by saving to cover hardware costs
exactly. :) So it was a matter of prioritization, and not "I don't have any money at all"
@DeadMG so did I :)
@jalf Depends on if you prioritize owning software over owning the necessary hardware to run it.
steam was one of the smartest programs for combatting piracy imo
Well, if you were able to pirate (and presumably play) games while saving up for the hardware, then it sounds like the game would've also run on your existing computer if you'd paid for it ;)
programs are cheaper because they're not packaged.. you don't have to go to the store to buy it..
It's kind of a win win situation
13:50
true, but if I'd spent money on games, I wouldn't have been able to buy new hardware at the necessary junctures.
SCUMBAG LOUNGE: SAYS IT WON'T ARGUE OVER PIRACY, STARTS ARGUMENT OVER PIRACY.
SCUMBAG TONY WRITES IN ALL CAPS
I'm getting octocat sticker :>
scumbag visual studio: won't break on breakpoint.
13:53
@jalf It's a matter of availability and :effort: too
@DeadMG Your breakpoints are broken
<bug ID> removing the <older bug ID> fix
I prefer software that doesn't break.
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@DeadMG Wtf are you doing again
@CatPlusPlus There is certainly an issue that before Steam became what it is now, it was basically impossible to find new games to buy- there were certainly no local shops that sold them
13:54
@TonyTheLion We're all scumbags in our own little ways
@Xeo I didn't do anything strange. I just made a small change and then rebuilt. This breakpoint worked just fine an hour ago.
Indie games were practically non-existent prior to steam
Even with Steam having no debit/credit card limits you a lot
yeah
Or maybe they were free for the most part
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13:54
Seriously, how do you guys fuck up VS so much?!
@Neil [citation needed]
@kbok lol
3 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
VS uses the size of the main display to choose the size of the debug popup thingies, instead of using the size of the current display. Then it aligns the popup to the right or center of the current display instead of the left where the [+] is...
@Xeo I didn't do anything wrong.
By using two screens with different sizes?
13:55
@CatPlusPlus "practically" means it's subjective :P
No, it doesn't
@CatPlusPlus Ah, so you can measure "practically non-existent"?
How many is that?
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@jalf So it's Ok to say "to play it I'll have to pirate it", but it's not Ok to say "I can't afford it, therefore I'll have to pirate it"? You are being ridiculous.
I would be curious to know
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13:57
@jalf Well, then I shall supply a few quotes, shall I?
You're using words but I don't think they mean what you think they mean
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Nov 29 '12 at 1:11, by sehe
I prefer "evaluation copy"
> My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
@CatPlusPlus Well you're free to disagree once you understand what they mean.
When you're saying something is/was practically non-existent then you're asserting that it, in fact, almost didn't exist
13:57
@sbi I think he's trying to draw a distinction between "I'll have to pirate it", and "I have the right to pirate it".
Dammit, I always get the wrong quote.
You can't fucking back out with "hurf blurf it's subjective"
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Apr 22 '12 at 8:16, by IntermediateHacker
For me it's Unlocker v4 -> Web Proxy -> Another Web Proxy -> Piracy sites.
@CatPlusPlus Then how do you intend to prove me wrong exactly?
It's subjective.. You going to disagree with me that I think the weather is lovely today?
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Cat and Neil are in the most pointless discussion ever.
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13:59
Apr 22 '12 at 8:16, by class daknok_t
Microsoft doesn't get even a single penny from me. :P
@sbi Thank you for your kind comments. Do I really have to plonk you, of all people?
@Zoidberg You are too inexperienced.
Apparently, this is a thing now
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Apr 22 '12 at 8:15, by class daknok_t
The pirate bay gives it out for free to me.
13:59
Do you not see a difference between "I am willing to do X in order to achieve a goal", and "I believe I have a right to do X"?
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Jun 16 '12 at 18:52, by Pubby
piracy is not offensive
@TonyTheLion lol
@sbi Yes, thank you for confirming that you didn't understand what I said.

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