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09:00
@StackedCrooked You've closed all non-used ports on that system? You're keeping it patched?
Bleeehhh.
user142019
Hi.
user142019
Bad morning.
Trying to draw the outline on this model is going terriburly.
A coworker of mine just said he wasn't seeing the point of having to write stuff like (in C++03):

for (container::iterator it = my_container.begin(); it != my_container.end(); ++it)

Since "in real life" people would always iterate over the whole range anyway.

No example came to mind where iterating over only a sub-range came to mind. Do you have any ?
09:02
Such a pretty day.
in Python, what do the * mean in *args and **kwargs ?
Difficulty levels.
@TonyTheLion: The first is the list of unnamed arguments, the second is the dict of named arguments
@ereOn How else would he write it?
user142019
@Rapptz I don't understand why. It's consistent within the same project so who the fuck cares.
09:02
I just did this: iptables -A OUTPUT -m owner --uid-owner 2002 -j DROP . So network access is disabled for the sandbox now.
def foo(*args, **kwars):
print args
print kwargs
@ereOn I get that bit, but why the asterisks? They seem arbitrary?
user142019
As long as external shit is consistent like naming of public methods and classes and shit.
> they made sure this happened in Poland, to get the "crazy foreigner" aspect in there
foo(1, 2, a='foo')
args would be [1, 2]
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09:03
@ereOn syntax error
kwargs : { 'a': 'foo' }
Ugh what this thing is addin to my clipboard
(afk)
user142019
C++ should have LINQ.
user142019
09:06
Other ways to query collections are subpar.
@Zoidberg: Though I have never even downloaded it, let alone try it. :)
user142019
There are many implementations of LINQ for C++.
Propose something to the C++ standard :)
user142019
lol query expressions in C++
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And expression trees.
@Xeo late :)
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@Mysticial Well, we just got a Mac here, and that was printed on the box somewhere. :P
@Mysticial did you decide between google and apple yet?
yesterday, by Mysticial
Oh and if anyone's wondering. I went with Google.
09:14
Another update for TF2?
@BoltClock Did it say anything?
@Mysticial It doesn't look important. Just some bug fixes and things
@Mysticial awesome congratz, where are you gonna be positioned?
@bamboon At the YouTube HQ in San Bruno.
Which is even closer than the main Google HQ in Mountain View.
@Zoidberg Syntax error even if you fix the indentation ?
09:18
@Mysticial Have you already been forwarded data to get familiarized with?
@DomagojPandža Nothing beyond the normal employment offer stuff.
But I've had numerous phone calls with them over the past few weeks.
I guess it is just a special syntax. This is useful to forward all the parameters to another function.

In my example : one might call `foo2(*args, **kwargs)` so that `foo2()` gets called with the exact same parameters than `foo()` was called with.
@Mysticial very cool, the place to be.
thx :)
@Mysticial Nice. I'm asking because I'd assume the codebase is quite extensive. That'll take some getting used to. I've been able to jump in to different graphics projects in my time, but something like YouTube would be quite a paradigm shift for me. But I have no doubt you'll tackle it quickly. :D
09:25
lol TF2 won't even start. What is going on
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@BoltClock Team Fortress 2?
@DomagojPandža yep
Haven't played that in a long, long time.
Last time I played something online was with DeadMG, Battlefield 3.
Btw. @Mysticial, hopefully they don't have some nasty FNG traditions. :P
@DomagojPandža what's FNG?
09:28
@DomagojPandža It's the only online game that I still play regularly
@bamboon "Fucking New Guy"
The term "Fucking New Guy" (FNG) is a derogatory term, made popular within military personnel of the U.S. Army and Marine Corps deployed to South East Asia during the Vietnam War, usually to refer to newcomers. Vietnam War overview Usually, but not always, the term referred to recruits fresh from the United States who joined pre-existing units in Vietnam. Every unit had an FNG, and the term was used across all unit types, from front line combat through to support and medical units. The term was not gender specific; female personnel could be FNGs as well. The FNG phenomenon grew out of t...
So there are people here playing TF2 ? Good to know.
I play TF2.
I'd love to play right now, but I guess my employer would disagree.
09:29
Not atm of course since I'm about to sleep.
Mine is stuck on the Steam launch dialog
@Mysticial: What time is it at your place ?
3:30am
Call me naive, but I will always be amazed by the fact our chat messages can go on the other side of the earth within a couple of milliseconds.
I'm still waiting on a response from those pricks at Apple, damn -9h difference.
10:31am, I'll probably get it by 23:31pm.
09:31
@ereOn It's like IM all over again
And to FGITW with people on the other side of the world...
Although playing FPS with guys in Australia does lag a bit.
Even I can't play in Aussie servers without my ping skyrocketing
That bad even from Singapore?
Apparently
> This game is currently unavailable. Please try again at another time.
Looks like the update servers are getting hammered
@BoltClock: do you have an usual class you love to play with ?
09:34
@ereOn I main Pyro
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Q: How to make a girl to accept my love soon as posible

Naresh JSir..Iam 25years old. I am recently started love a girl. She is my college friend. But she had a boyfriend in her past but not now. I am proposing her daily but she is replying me like Sorry. I Will never trust in boys and I don't have interest to cheat by someone else. Please stop loving me. ...

What
My favorite was the spy.
I go for Pyro too. The degreaser + fire extinguisher FTW
For me at least, there's 5 classes I play. But I only play 3 regularly.
@DomagojPandža I bought the game after watching Meet the Spy. Then I realized just how much I suck at Spy
Then I discovered compression blast for Pyro. And I have been running Pyro ever since
I can't play spy for my life.
And it sad that I still get backstabbed when I'm pyro...
09:36
@BoltClock Compression blast with the backburner is counter-productive though :(
I play pyro, but I suck at it.
@BoltClock That is one of the better trolls I've run across on SO. :D
@BoltClock 14 upvotes?
nice...
I tried engineer lately but it seems I suck at it.
" You could try [...] backdoors but it usually ends messily."
LAWL
09:38
I'm good at Engie, Heavy, and Medic...
I'm okay with Soldier and Demoman.
@Mysticial: I find the engie to be very frustrating
If your allies don't care about you, it seems impossible to defend your structures.
OK I'm killing Steam. I don't know why it keeps telling me the game is unavailable even after I close the error dialog
I suck at pyro. Scout, Sniper, and Spy, I suck soo much that I'm not even productive.
Yet they will complain if you don't builld a tele soon enough.
There's this thing I've been playing lately, Planetside 2?
Yeah, that's the name.
09:39
CatPlusPlus is a fan of Planetside 2.
@ereOn tele is usually the first thing you build.
template<typename... args>
std::tuple<args...> parse(std::istream &stream) {
  return std::make_tuple(args(stream)...);
}
depending on the map
Aircraft mechanics suck so hard, flying is almost like offseting a point along a direction.
I don't get how the args(stream)... unpacks anything?
It's a stream? What's there to unpack?
09:40
@Mysticial: Yep, but again : if your allies just don't care about you, it seems hard to defend.
@BoltClock someone wanna post a screen of that for the sub 10k noobs like me?
Someone else do it please, I'm a little busy investigating those users :|
@BoltClock Oh wow, that's actually a lot of answers in such a short amount of time. I can see why you're suspicious.
They might be all connected in some way.
Exactly D:
@Mysticial Like, a secret circle ?
09:42
@ereOn yeah
A group of users that gather at night, voting in the same direction ?
@TonyTheLion I think the stream get casted to args, but I don't understand it either. Where did you get that from?
Perhaps a cluster in one of Jerry's Sockpuppet Networks has gone awry and started ruining their Separation Of Space algorithms.
And bound by a magical link ?
09:43
@Mysticial thanks, that's gonna be a read.
Some of those answers are actually pretty well thought out. There's no way this could have happened naturally.
@bamboon Not an interesting one actually.
@Mysticial I see you marked it as a favorite
All from India... hmm...
Probably a bunch of guys in the same school.
@Mysticial That's hardly a surprise
09:45
@Mysticial that's... bad
4
Q: Translating a std::tuple into a template parameter pack

OlofI have a typedef std::tuple<A, B> TupleType; and would like to use the list of classes for a "template". Suppose I have: template<typename... args> std::tuple<args...> parse(std::istream &stream) { return std::make_tuple(args(stream)...); } and that I can successfu...

@BoltClock lol. Check my favorites list. I favorite a whole bunch of shit.
"Hi, I have a std::vector<int> and a couple of iterators, and I was wondering : how can I make sure a girl loves me ?"
@Mysticial OK, certainly much more shit than I do
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Q: how do I html5?

kristenI've been reading through stuff on html5 but have a very basic question: what do I need for html5? Do I need to download anything (from where?)? I have LAMP...does HTML5 support mysql databases?

@bamboon COW and redundancy. In effect, zero-cost cloning
09:48
@sehe ah, interesting.
That one
@Mysticial The answer is pure gold :p
user142019
@ereOn no.
09:51
@Mysticial Ahahahahah. I bow to the master!
user142019
@Mysticial Wunderbar.
@Mysticial What is the colorization color of your glass windows?
(assuming it's still the same)
@BoltClock lemme check
user142019
@BoltClock Pink.
09:53
I have a blackish desktop picture
Also I like how I call it colorization color because that's what the API calls it
Lavender windows
user142019
My desktop picture is a picture of female ass.
About 33% color intensity
All textboxes are given a slight shade of purple.
And I don't think I've changed anything since then.
@Mysticial I have a thing for lavender and, well, shades of purple in general. My window color is bright purple
I need to update my deviantART gallery with my current desktop soon
09:56
My fileserver runs a extremely pink theme.
By the way, since those are removed questions / answers - how long are they retained in memory?
@DomagojPandža forever, unless Jeff decides to hard-delete it.
Gets me thinking about privacy and user content rights. :D
Probably something in the ToS
They don't show up in the data dump, if that's what you mean
@DomagojPandža Notice that the OP actually asked to be disassociated from the question.
09:57
"All of your base are belong to us."
user142019
@Mysticial Jeff doesn't work for Stack Exchange anymore.
@BoltClock Narcissism much ? :)
@Zoidberg But he still has access to the database.
user142019
Ohlol.
@sehe :D
09:58
The OP for this question asked to be disassociated since he couldn't delete it.
It turned to be a homework problem. So he tried to delete it to keep from getting in trouble.
I sure as hell didn't know it was a homework problem... At least not until he vandalized it.
Good thing he accepted your answer first
I should go ahead and post a comment on my unaccepted answer asking people to stop posting comments saying it should be accepted because it can't be accepted because the owner is gone
user142019
I just wanted to use dynamic_cast as an identifier. :|
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Q: how to select all tr except first tr in the table

Steven SpielbergHow can I select all tr elements except for the first tr in the table with CSS? I tried using this method, but found that it did not work: http://www.daniel-lemire.com/blog/archives/2008/08/22/how-to-select-even-or-odd-rows-in-a-table-using-css-3/

Once again my browser is full of SO tabs
By which I mean 40+ tabs
I hate when that happens, the tabs become the size of a favicon.
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Q: My parents pampered me everyday

user2122985im 11 years old, n my parents still treat me like a 3 yrs old kid?????????? They still took me a bath, fed me, sleep w them, cuddle me like a baby etc.... Even they got me a babysitter?! And everytime i hang out w my friends my parents told the babysitter 2 go w me??!! (wtf) even my friend is jus...

user142019
I rarely have over four tabs open at once.
[motherboard]
10:08
@BoltClock: Wtf ?
@BoltClock Is this trollfest a daily occurence on SO?
Has this always been that way ? I mean, that much completely out-of-topic questions ?
@DomagojPandža It's starting to look like it
user142019
Who had a link to the draft in his bio? I thought it was Robot or litb but I can't find the link.
user1357851
@BoltClock legend! why didn't anyone tell him to change the memory on the motherboard to fix the problem ... just to confuse him a bit further
10:12
@BoltClock Are you even allowed to show us those? I'm assuming you're getting these from the mod queues.
@Zoidberg Four? What's the point in even having a browser if you're not using it? :D
Damn classic, yo.
user142019
@jalf I don't know why I'd need more tabs.
user142019
Like, what the fuck.
user1357851
who is the best troll on SO?
10:13
@Mysticial Good point, but it was probably there in the 10k queue and the front page anyway. I'll stop
user142019
You can't read multiple things at once anyway.
@Zoidberg But the internet is full of stuff!
@Telkitty Evan Carroll?
user142019
@Telkitty Lightness Races in Armpit or Cicada
@BoltClock nonono, keep showing us. It's entertaining. :P
10:13
There was that dude who came to the Lounge last year, demanding an apology.
@BoltClock If it has any 10k user visible flags, then you can show us.
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@BoltClock Wimp. I regularly have 90+ tabs open at home. :)
Firefox needs a way to report how many tabs are open
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@Mysticial Eh, what's wrong with that? We might have seen them anyways on the page, no?
10:14
because there's no way I'm counting
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@jalf There's an add-on
ooh
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TabCount or so, I believe.
@Zoidberg it was martinho, but somehow he changed his bio
Only shows how many tabs are open in the status bar currently. It doesn't count tabs open in other tab groups
10:17
@Mysticial Do 10k users see red flags?
I know they see auto-flags from Community
which means it only reports 23 for me
I'm guessing not the red flags
@BoltClock no they don't
user1357851
@BoltClock umm, the few questions/answers I saw of Evan Carroll weren't trollish at all
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A: Are posts flagged for moderator attention also visible to people having access to moderator tools?

Mysticial10k users can see the following flags: "not an answer" "very low quality" "it doesn't belong here, or it is a duplicate" 10k users can also see a variety of automatically generated flags that users cannot cast: "too many comments" - More than 20 comments posted in the past 3 days "duplicate...

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10:18
Really, I'm not sure if that's even a problem.
^^ That's what we see.
Anyways, imma sleep. Past 4am here.
@jalf Press the close button!
@Telkitty That's just how good he is :P
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@Mysticial G'night
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
@Mysticial Sweet
10:19
@R.MartinhoFernandes nah, first I told it not to prompt me, and second, it suffers the same problem as the addon: it only tells me how many tabs are currently in the statusbar, not how many I have open in total
ah well, let's just call it 60-80
user142019
N3337 is very close to current standard right?
@BoltClock Anything with close votes is also fair game for us since we can see it from the 10k tools recent list.
@Zoidberg It's C++11, give or take a couple defects, IIRC.
@JonW I've never been a mod on any site, so I don't know if we're talking about the same header. But for 10ks, there is an orange (on SO) button at the top bar which goes to the flag queue. — Mysticial Feb 7 at 10:29
user142019
Great.
10:20
It's the same orange button, except for us it links to our queue
Mods can still toggle between mod queue and 10k queue
Not that I'd want to because there are enough flags here as it is :P
Why the orange color for the button?
Purple seems much more gay (as in happy, cheerful).
Probably because orange is part of Stack Overflow's color scheme
lol. I came to work to meet closed doors, and was informed that power died for the whole site
apparently we are now using backup power generators
that sounds really awsum.
user1357851
@BoltClock is the owner @ evancarroll.com == the owner @ www.evancarroll.net
ugh.... or not. That means no food :/
10:27
@Telkitty Nope. .com is from TX, .net is from NC
user1357851
servers are or owners are
Owners
Is there a way to check for static assertions in Catch? I mean, would that even be technically possible?
no.
user1357851
@BoltClock but owners can change their addresses at will
10:28
DeadMG's "no" is so hardcore.
@DomagojPandža Why?
@Telkitty That's true, but my best guess is these two are not the same guy
it's a simple statement of fact.
user1357851
@BoltClock You might be right, although if I was a troll, I might want to hide
@DeadMG It has that legitimate feel to it. :D
10:30
well, I am a expert P
the question is what Wide feature I was going to implement next.
ah, what I really need is C++ member function calls.
Is that wise?
No, it's Wide. Not Wise.
Sorry, had to do it. :$
user1357851
@BoltClock Doh was that his phone number on his web page? Is that a fake number or is him some kind of attention hooker >_<
@Telkitty lol no idea
user1357851
Someone should call him and find out, lol - and tell him it's in response to this craiglist ads he put out ast weekend :p
10:42
@Telkitty I think the latter is clearly true.
@Telkitty Actually, somebody did, and it was none other than Jeff Atwood himself
@StackedCrooked I'll need it if I wish to bootstrap.
And now that I find the post, yes it is his real number apparently
not going to get far bootstrapping my compiler if I can't call into it.
There, Telkitty. Finally over 100 rep. Congratulations. It's been a long time coming. :P
10:44
$ js
js> [] + {}
[object Object]
js> {} + []
0

"Javascript, commutativity made simple."
user1357851
@BoltClock Oh SO founder's pet troll, no wonder his rank of troll-ness here :p
Why do I have to use that crap...
@bamboon I have a macro that static_asserts and REQUIRE(true) just so static_asserts are included in the assertion count in tests. I'm sure that's not what you wanted, but I think you can't get what you wanted :P
I don't know what's worse, that or the fact there is a widespread language where [] + {} doesn't yield a FATAL ERROR 9000.
@DomagojPandža well, I know of one where [](){} is legal, so..... :)
10:46
@DomagojPandža: Could be worse. There could be a language where every variable declaration would be implicitely done in a global object named window. Wait... nevermind.
user1357851
@R.MartinhoFernandes would you say all trolls are attention hookerish?
what language is that?
@DeadMG Javascript :)
lol, really?
If you don't declare your variable without var, then its implicitely declared member of the global window instance.
10:47
@DeadMG not exactly
Oh come on, you never watched "Wat"?
Try it in your browser !
@R.MartinhoFernandes it could be somehow a work around, but I can't follow you completely. Mind sharing a snippet or link me to your tests?
@ereOn Well, I knew that it was global.
10:48
speaking of static assert, will program fail to compile if function with static_assert in it is never used? Is standard explicit about this
so all you've really got is that they named their global table "window".
Javascript doesn't have a window object. That's from the browser DOM. And as said above, this behavior is only if you don't declare the variables properly with var
@DeadMG Or "process" in node.js on top of V8.
@DeadMG and they didn't. The browser did, but the JS language doesn't (as you can see if you play around with node.js for example)
10:48
@jalf: Absolutely. But its a poor language choice imho.
@ereOn which part of it? Having implicitly declared variables become global? Yeah definitely
@jalf Yeah, that.
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@Bartek: I'd advise against using Coliru in SO answers for now.
They'll add let for better variable scoping.
@Xeo Why?
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Feels a bit early, dunno
10:51
Bah, the prototype-oriented scheme is quite ugly to me.
I'll never take JS seriously.
@Xeo I see no reason for trusting it less than gcc locally
Also, browsers and programmers love to violate the ECMAScript spec.
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@BartekBanachewicz I meant linking it in answers.
Don't change the internal prototype of an object manually... Don't... What are you doing, JS programmer? Stahp.
@DomagojPandža I never could understand it. I tried, hard. But its so confusing.
10:52
And all of a sudden, they're trying to standardize the violation.
@Xeo Please notice that I posted the code alongside. Link is just an addition. So even if coliru jumped up and catched fire...
I believe it was in the 2012 draft.
@DomagojPandža huh, it's a lot more sensible than the class nonsense C++ and Java uses
Standardising existing practice works much better than the alternative.
C++ made that mistake more than once already.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Are you talking strings and streams? :)
10:54
I have no idea what kind of logic would lead to that conclusion, but whatever.
user1357851
I need to stop posting retarded things after a whole day diving ... still feeling like stuck in a boat :x
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah ok, that's hacky. What are the do while loops for?
@jalf How so? Genuine question. :D It is a bit natural with prototypes, in theory, you get to define an object like you would mold clay into shape. And then you can declare it a prototype for future use. That seems cute, but always gets a bit twisted in practice.
@FredOverflow And in C++11, off the top of my head, std::async.
@bamboon macro guards. Macro related shit @R.Martinho should be ashamed of.
10:55
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, there are plenty of cases where existing practice turned out to be fucked.
@bamboon That's standard practice for macros.
Unicode literals being a good example.
the Committee just took them from C, hey existing practice, and now they're fucked.
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@BartekBanachewicz I also didn't mean it that way.
@Xeo Well can you explain what you mean then?
@R.MartinhoFernandes What's wrong with it?
10:56
@DeadMG Wut. C didn't have Unicode literals before C++.
@R.MartinhoFernandes aha ok, thanks. Never done that, will look it up.
@FredOverflow apparently everything
Hey French-speakers, and Étienne, can any one explain to me what a "espace fine insécable" is
@BartekBanachewicz thanks, never done macros.
@bamboon and that's good.
10:57
@R.MartinhoFernandes The proposal was taken straight from the C variety. Maybe their Committee didn't accept them yet, or finalize C11.
@bamboon makes things like if(...) MACRO_HERE work fine, because the macro has its own scope.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Non-breaking space, something like half-width or so.
@R.MartinhoFernandes "Electronic space is fine, thank you for asking."
@DeadMG But the C proposal was not existing practise.
@DomagojPandža you don't need to "declare it a prototype for future use". You just use it in the future if you feel like it
10:58
well, it was the current practice of the C committee.
@jalf Yeah, a bad figure of speech on my part. Sorry.
"Le caractère du jeu Unicode correspondant à l'espace fine insécable est le U+202F NARROW NO-BREAK SPACE" dixit random Internet search.
It was just theory.
Question: what's the rationale behind c + 'c' not raising a warning, where c is an int ?
I would expect my compiler to warn me that I sum up two different integral types
But it doesn't
@LucDanton That does not help :/ I was trying to understand what a narrow no-break space is...
10:58
Am I missing something ?
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Integral promotions. In the end, a char is just another integer.
@ereOn If you try to add things which are smaller than int, they are promoted to int first.
Quick Poll : Is anyone here using Texts?
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And every integral type less than int is promoted to int.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh I thought non-breaking was a common one? Isn't that was &nbsp is about?
Narrow means there is less of it.

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