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if you like slow running language, then yes
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A: Can spirit X3 work with BOOST_FUSION_ADAPT_ADT?

seheAs I've been warning people beforeĀ¹ you're pushing limits right on the intersection of things that frequently break Spirit's gears: single-element fusion sequences ADT adaptation in general Persistent bugs with ADT fixed in develop (after 1.67.0 release) 1. The Single-Element Conundrum I won...

@Borgleader Can I say... what a mess?
Quite difficult even getting four sounds simultaneously out of a violin, maybe! — Tim 19 hours ago
@Tim Oh, I don't know. You can use a violin to press down a heck of a lot of piano keys at the same time! :-D — David Richerby 11 hours ago
"Touché"?
02:13
I wonder if anyone ever plotted a graph of animals against the vocabulary they have (various sounds they can make).
02:42
National parks association sent me a physical letter, protested against logging and asked for donation.
I wonder what's proportion of an average tree has been cut down to produce so many pieces of paper ...
complain because I care, the day people walk away permanently without any explanation is the one you should be wary
stupidity is a turn off
intelligent people will stay away from dumb people so they would not be affected when dumb people eventually ruin themselves and things/people around them
03:46
What if the paper was recycled?
it could be used for better purposes?
also ... sigh ... still couldn't get a straight answer for how to calculate turning radius ... not from stackoverflow, not on slack chat with people who are making autonomous cars ...
calculating the radius involves rather complicated methods, such as measuring turning angles of the wheels ... when you think about it, it's not that easy to measure
04:06
Dearest tech sector, instead of wasting your energy on useless things, why can't you dedicate your effort on something that more useful? Like that autonomous car, or manned spaceship that could travel to other planets?? I am not asking your to cure cancer or AIDs, because I know that's hard. I know a dumb person like me who have little resources would not carry on major tasks like that.
I can only build small houses for people to live in and a few apps to entertain tens of thousands of people. But with you so called intelligent people and your billions, such simple tasks would surely be easy?? I have been waiting for some thirty odd years, and yet, Nothing. Highly disappointed.
04:27
@TelKitty I'd hear people claim that Australians read things this way, but until now I thought they were just making it up.
05:01
@JerryCoffin it's weird that uber seems to be the only major hire for people who are interested in making autonomous cars, but maybe I am mistaken by only looking at only small side of things
05:14
I am not sure whether my fear that we are all going to die because science & tech sector is slacking off and steering away where it should be dedicating it's effort. Earth will be gone at some point so will the solar system ... and eventually the milky way. And there is never any glory ending to a specie that sustained exponential growth in any enclosed area. Giving the increase of already gigantic population, the tiny portion of the solar galaxy human has been to and vast space around it.
And given the peaceful time it is, slacking like this only guarantee annihilation of whole human kind in the future.
 
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Hi lounge
Hi Ven
> An O(N) Sorting Algorithm: Machine Learning Sorting
am scared
08:03
maybe A.I. needs 8 hours sleep a day while sorting out all the info then ~_~
08:39
That's pretty impressive. And unexpected :) Now I want to put this into github.com/andreasfertig/cppinsights to understand how — sehe 8 secs ago
@TelKitty Hear hear
@sehe watt watt?
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Someone needs to watch Idiocracy (again).
 
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Without clicking it I'm gonna guess he says "Private data is useless because you cannot access it and getters/setters just add more code for no reason".
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which is true
all data is useless
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11:25
I want to say you are wrong because the phone number of that cute girl would totally be useful. But since I wouldn't use it I guess you are right ...
@nwp his arguments rely heavily on being able to refactor whenever you need to change the data members and forgets that compiler optimizations exists
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He is making games though which don't need a stable API. You make one, release (optional) and abandon.
Debt is irrelevant when there is no future.
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#sadbuttrue
11:53
@fredoverflow what's the summary? (I'm on mobile data :'( )
@thecoshman He doesn't like getters and setters that don't do anything besides getting and setting.
well duh
@fredoverflow The main counter to that is usually something like "But this way, I can later on decide to do something like cache this value, or produce it by combining two other fields in the DB" to which that is usually countered with "But if you change the way the data is used internally, you are changing the API of the class any way"
@milleniumbug It's like a C# property...
@Ven IRTA as "sad butt rue", wondering what "rue" meant
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11:56
not even that lewd :x
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@thecoshman Have some mobile data friendly underwear.
@Morwenn it's a typo, he meant Roux
@thecoshman no u
(I didn't have to look up how to spell that)
Roux () is flour and fat cooked together and used to thicken sauces. Roux is typically made from equal parts of flour and fat by weight. The flour is added to the melted fat or oil on the stove top, blended until smooth, and cooked to the desired level of brownness. Clarified butter, vegetable oils, bacon drippings or lard are commonly used fats. Roux is used as a thickening agent for gravy, sauces, soups and stews. It provides the base for a dish, and other ingredients are added after the roux is complete. == Uses == The fat is most often butter in French cuisine, but may be lard or vegetable...
11:58
@thecoshman I forgot it was also a thing :o
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Why do you have that on your butt? On second thought I don't want to know.
> lewd
It reminds me of stories I won't share here
@Morwenn sounds like a ruse
except it's only pronounced "ru" :p
it's making me hungry, I haven't eaten yet
I thought I had biscuits left in my bag but apparently I finished them yesterday :(
12:06
I'll have to wait until I'm back home to eat
I'll probably go grab some tasty beer before I get back home too
And bread, we're almost out of bread :o
12:37
@sehe Bear bear
FML. I hate Java class loaders and uberjars and shit.
@wilx classpath issues?
You can't distribute a single JAR with all dependencies expanded because some of the dependencies have to be signed, e.g., Bouncy Castle, otherwise they do not work.
@TelKitty you scared the tavern, they thought you were deleting your account
You cannot package all dependencies as nested jars because then parts of the build process that we have that do reflection on the JARs do not find anything.
FML.
12:42
@Mgetz I deleted meta account, going to stay away from meta or tavern indefinitely
@fredoverflow: In short, yes. But fucked up one.
lounge or meta police - I choose the lesser of two evil (just joking)
@TelKitty Lounge is certainly less evil.
@TelKitty I didn't think you could delete accounts that way, I thought it was all or nothing on stackexchange
@wilx at this point, definitely
@Mgetz have to delete your accounts separately
there is no annihilation button to delete all
I had enough on tavern
12:48
@TelKitty I wonder if that GDPR complaint...
Lounge can be informative sometimes ...
something about certain nation has the highest prison population but lowest rehibitation rate ... similar anyways, think abstract
if you going to be tough and control what people say on chat, people just going to leave that chat unless they can't find better
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Maybe that is the point. From their point of view it looks like they are moving all the evil off-site which they consider a win.
if there are no people, there is no war ... but you end up with a dead site ... or just bunch of question vampires
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Yesterday they had statistics on the user retention on various sites here, but it was deleted along with the edit history.
Wow, WG14 mostly agreed to remove support for signed integer types with another representation than two's complement :o
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13:02
I wonder if rpg.se takes a hit from deleting all comments that don't ask for clarification, but I guess that is confidential.
@Morwenn ...but still hasn't gotten rid of padding bits?
@JerryCoffin I don't know whether you can have two's complement with padding bits
there is a thing called 'high value users', some people who used to be here were high value users: those with 100K+ reps
@Morwenn You can--the two are orthogonal (though things like int32_t were only ever defined for 2's complement with no padding bits).
what if you pad with tabs ... wait, tab is just one ascii character
13:07
@TelKitty I believe essentially all the 100K+ users who were ever here regularly, still are around (sehe, Mysticial and me being the ones that occur to me right off).
@JerryCoffin You can find the list of proposed changes to integer types here: open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2018/p0907r2.html
@TelKitty Then you're obviously anti-bat.
@JerryCoffin cat & robot?
> None of the integral types have extraordinary values.
doesn't that handle padding bits?
Carmack talks about Steve Jobs ^
13:11
> std::has_unique_object_representations<T> is true for bool and signed integer types, in addition to unsigned integer types and others before.
ok, that does take care of padding bits
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@Morwenn But does it only evaluate to true or is it factually correct? :P
@TelKitty At least if memory serves, robot was around 65K. I'm less certain about Cat.
@nwp The proposal basically says "fuck you" to architectures where that might not be the case
Apparently we don't know any target where C++ doesn't have two complement's integer, and found a single target where C uses signed magnitude but it explicitly states that it only implements C90
@Morwenn It at least handles trap representations and such, which were most of what made padding bits a pain.
There is a note in the standard mentioning that "unsigned integer types that do not use padding bits are guaranteed to have unique object representations"
I don't think you can have both a unique object representation and padding bits
13:22
@Morwenn Pretty sure you can. Consider, for example, a representation with one parity bit. For any pattern of bits in the value representation, there is one (and only one) allowable value for the parity bit.
 
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> The Swim on Air spell allows a water-based creature to use her swim speed to fly as if swimming on air, for instance.
Pronouns used to not be so sexist.
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@nwp Isn't it from an answer posted on rpg.se? In this case it would be fair to say it is possible the answer writer is female and writing from her POV. Does sharing POV space with a woman make you uncomfortable?
"creature" tends to imply ungendered and "it" is a better pronoun for that
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It is from rpg.se. While the writer may be female the creature in question is just the generic "any creature" in the sense of spell rules and should be "it".
In that context "creature" includes males, females and others (such as treemonsters).
Is there an implied ownership or dominion over the role? Y'all need to get out more if the only recognized use of this phrase on the internet is something you consider worthy of pointing out.
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I don't know what you mean by "role" in that context and which phrase exactly you are referring to.
Of all the writing about pathfinder, of all the posts on the internet about rpg's, extensions.... This is the the problem
@nwp If I call my cat a him does that mean I am implying all cats are male? What if the posters Character has a female creature?
this is simply someones specific POV and an answer, additionally the only time the phrase is every posted on the internet, so it doesn't even have wide platform beyond se.
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15:22
@crasic The poster isn't talking about their character, it's about rules as in "Creatures cannot walk under water, they must swim".
Yes, but if said poster has a character, who has a water-based creature as a familiar, "it" may be a "her", no?
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Could be, but in the context of the quote it is not.
Lol, how do you figure that? If one is writing from a personal POV you project yourself onto it, its a personal answer, not a manual or rule book.
In the parlance of our times, @nwp is manufacturing fake news (outrage, clickbait)
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@crasic Uhm... yes it is. I think the quote even comes from a rule book. I'll try to find it again.
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15:26
Well, not a rule quote, but a rule. Definitely not specific to a specific creature but all creatures.
In that phrasing? With that pronoun use? Fake news bro
In any case, if it was , why would it even matter?
most creature species have a sex, although not as a rule, and it is perfectly appropriate to gender a living being when talking about it or describing one in principle no?
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It doesn't. It is probably just a typo that you can rip out of context to give it a sexist notion.
But by now the joke has been so extensively Jerried that there is no humor left.
I see, finale of "it was a joke"
@nwp and worse the actual rule quote earlier used "it"
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@crasic No. You purposefully do not give creatures genders when talking about rules because that could be read as meaning that the gender matters.
15:31
@nwp Pedantry is understandable, but you explicitly called it sexism, not inaccuracy
pushed glasses I respect the need for precise language, but your precise quote "Pronouns used to not be so sexist."
Unless you can show otherwise, I believe the answer in question made no indication or claim that it was a quote from a rule book as explicit rules were quoted in box quotes
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9 mins ago, by nwp
Well, not a rule quote, but a rule. Definitely not specific to a specific creature but all creatures.
Headline, someone wrote a thoughtful answer on SE, for free. @nwp complains about sexism and hides behind pedantry
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I'm not hiding. Pedantry is the core of the lounge. Along with complaining.
Lol, if you value pedantry where is my rule citation?
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I don't get it.
I'm not good at trolling either, but I think you are supposed to be at least somewhat correct and understandable.
15:43
I see vague references to a rule that may exist, but no proof that it exists. Your pedantry is without basis, SIR!
Is that Projection? I'm not trolling but calling you out as an asshole, that is called "ribbing"
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The quoted text itself is the rule I mean. Are you trying to misunderstand it in the sense that things in rule books are rules and sentences such as "An X is a Y" are not?
You haven't cited it, I only see the quote from the post...
the post is not in a rule book
and the post is this one
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A: Overland Flight underwater?

ShadowKrasFly speed won't help you at all while underwater. Unless you have some kind of ability that allows your to use your fly speed while swimming, your different speed types do not help you on different terrains. Swim speed will not help you move on land or air, land speed won't help you move on wate...

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In other words yes. Cool.
Just picking up what you threw down bro, don't get mad ok?
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I'm trying really hard bro, but the madness! It it rising!!11
I'm even more mad that I missed the opportunity to write "She is rising" instead.
15:51
and why would madness be female?
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It wouldn't. It just thematically fits with calling neutral things it. Because madness is bad and so are females? Or something?
Today I learned selecting text makes it easier to read when struck(?) through.
Smurfs can make people room owners, right? Do we have any friendly ones around here?
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Do you need to do emergency cleanup?
@thecoshman pardon my ignorance, who is a smurf?
Blue people
@nwp maybe... I might be ashamed to admit where though :S
16:03
@thecoshman Nope. Only old, unfriendly curmudgeons of room owners.
Is there somebody you think should be a room owner?
I believe they prefer the term blue dwarf humanoid
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Manacoins are hilarious. Such a thing could never work outside of high fantasy!
@JerryCoffin I want to get ownership in another room :\
@thecoshman Ah. I see.
@nwp Where, in this case, "high" refers to "currently under the influence of powerful drugs."
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There is still that mod on the starboard :P
16:12
if users don't show up the @ short list, they will not get the ping, will they?
@nwp preach brother
manacoin will be shutdown by NIMABY lawsuits , when the most powerful creatures in the universe, all astral natives and members of the local hunting club, get pissed at the near constant chainblock explosions and the decimation of their prized game species.
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I think I encountered some sort of type error in English. *Made tests more distinguishable when running, having stopped and having encountered an error.*
Someone should re-design the language so it supports containers of different types better. Something like *Made tests more distinguishable when running, stopped and errored* should totally ---compile--- be grammatical.
Also yay markdown.
16:27
It's a regression, english lost declensions in the late middle ages
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Let's add uniform enumeration syntax to the next standard. What could possibly go wrong?
The loss of global economic language status
17:04
> members are entitled to worldwide air and/or land rescue services, regardless of elevation for any human-powered, land-based activity.
18:01
@crasic toltu'i
word not found on oed
Probably not using the full OED
ā– ?
That's racist
18:13
lol, thats how I learn tombstone and black box are different unicode characters
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Lojban (pronounced [ĖˆloŹ’ban] ( listen)) is a constructed, syntactically unambiguous human language, succeeding the Loglan project. The Logical Language Group (LLG) began developing Lojban in 1987. The LLG sought to realize Loglan's purposes, and further improve the language by making it more usable and freely available (as indicated by its official full English title, "Lojban: A Realization of Loglan"). After a long initial period of debating and testing, the baseline was completed in 1997, and published as The Complete Lojban Language. In an interview in 2010 with The New York Times, Arika Okrent...
@crasic lol indeed
syntactically unambiguous human language is a contradiction at face value
@sehe because Esperanto did so well
I see the use of a constructed language as an intermediary between human and machines languages
19:01
@thecoshman huh
@TelKitty s/was/am/
check you sarcasm detector
19:21
Or maybe just don't stir up shit.
What does "the main reason they were here was outlawed" mean? I cannot assign a useful meaning, not even with full sarcasm flags.
I love that they called that macro BOOST_LOG_TRIVIAL (also love that you did what I never get around to) — sehe 58 secs ago
19:41
@sehe erm... people left because they couldn't continue being with the way they were
19:58
@thecoshman your English has regressed again.
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20:14
sigh
20:42
@sehe drop the 'with', good enough :P
I love it when the person that hasn't dug into the source code tells me I'm wrong...
@Anders because if you look at the CRT initialization code you'd see it's calling GetStdHandle to get the values passed in from the CreateProcess call made by the shell or by cmd.exe. In other words the handle must be passed from the parent process to the child for it to exist at all. For stdio to be properly initialized those have to be set prior to CRT init. — Mgetz 5 mins ago
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@thecoshman WTF I just watched the A test in the UK
it's like childish compared to the one in Poland
your slalom is twice as wide
and it seems that there are no high-speed manuevers
21:56
I'm not in UK don't forget
22:16
@thecoshman That's part of it, but a lot is network effect--the "value" of the room is largely in the connections between people, so the value varies roughly quadratically with the number of participants. When the number of participants drops, the value to the remaining participants drops as well, so they're less likely to participate as, so it drops ever more quickly.
@JerryCoffin that was the snowball effect, but I don't think this place just natural diminished, there was a trigger that made those initial people leave
@thecoshman Undoubtedly--started with things like crappy moderation tools and repeated suspensions over "problems" that didn't really hurt anybody, etc.
22:44
apologies for being obtuse, who were these initial (leaving) people that made an impact? and are there examples of frivolous flags/suspensions? I'm in the Cerberus(from what I've read on meta) camp here.
23:16
@CaptainGiraffe Digging up data on the flags/suspensions might be difficult (if memory serves, they often "cleaned up" by deleting all the messages involved). A few were for using words somebody considered naughty (e.g., "fuck") so there might be room for some argument about whether they were quite 100% frivolous. Some cases had even less cause than that though.
@JerryCoffin There's also some external forces involved:
@Mysticial lol, that fucking cliff
We don't know what's causing it. But the short list of things to blame include the Trump effect and the rise of Discord.
Other things correlated with the decline of chat is the launch of Docs. But there's no reason to suspect those are in any way linked.
I do think that given the current volumes, it wold probably make sense to combine lounge and C++ Q&A again. The volume wouldn't be overwhelming any more.
@JerryCoffin I'm not opposed - leaning slightly in favor.
23:28
@JerryCoffin I would agree with that
Again my apologies for my daftness. Has This lounge ever been called out as being a country in the inhumane and toxic wasteland that is SO?
Not sure if there's a protocol to actually combine them, or if it just gets shut down, and we quit directing people there, or what..
@JerryCoffin that
You might be able to request that a room be locked, but there's not really any point
@CaptainGiraffe Pretty much every mention of it on Meta has been disparaging, if that's what you mean.
Just make sure regulars know the plan
23:31
@JerryCoffin I'm fine with it.
It's a sad day for the lounge when it decides to invite the QnA into the main room
I'm so disappointed in how much attention this stuff/crap is consuming. I could very much use it to actually answer questions instead.
@JerryCoffin Yep. Thanks.
@thecoshman I was rather sad when they were separated, to be honest. I'm not at all in favor of enforcing strict topicality, but I do enjoy some technical discussion being included.
@JerryCoffin At the time, I think it made sense. We would often be chatting a lot, and it was hard enough to follow conversations. By having QnA chat in it's own room, it left this room slightly easier to follow the conversation and let those questions get the attention they need
Allow me to distract with some topicality! I have this sorting competition in my structs and algo class
23:36
The the split channel thing is always a big issue
@thecoshman Yup--at the time, I think it was nearly necessary, but undesirable anyway.
@CaptainGiraffe Okay, and...?
I have three datasets to sort. 1 - license plates 2 - price tags at walmart. 3 - distance of hubble stars.
in Discord we have like 30 odd channels for all sorts of more specific topics. But Discord doesn't let you respond to specific messages, so it's really hard to follow conversations
@JerryCoffin More just a downside to the way this platform works
hubble the telescope, not the scientist
@thecoshman Fair enough. For the moment, I was treating the platform as a constant.
23:39
But hey, think of IRC, having 'sub channels' would never seem so odd. If a channel is busy, have others to specialise parts
@JerryCoffin This platform is a 'feature complete'
Give them credit, it was amazing how complete it was when it was launched, but I think the only thing they really added was a few minor moderation tools
Are these datasets interesting/obvious enough to deviate from std::sort? 1 - 1 million plates. 2 - 10 million purchases. 3 - 100.000 stars.
@CaptainGiraffe is std::sort causing issues?
@thecoshman I'm not sure of any details of such a plan yet. Do we make all the (recently active) room owners there also owners here? Do we remove a few owners here who haven't been active in a long time (robot, Tony, Xeo, possibly Rapptz)?
@thecoshman not fast enough
@thecoshman We need a name for that cliff
23:43
@CaptainGiraffe Hard to give advice without knowing more. Is std::sort a little too slow, or a lot too slow? Is the sorted group being altered dynamically? Do you really need sorting, or just some way to find things quickly?
@JerryCoffin I think first, make suer people here don't have any strong objections (hint, pin a message). Similarly, make sure that room is happy to be merged back into here (it might have it's own culture and regulars now, again, pin a message). As for room owners, that's more just a general clean up.
I very much doubt Tony would want to return here. Robot was reluctant to move, but seems happy there. Not sure about Xeo and Rapptz.
@Borgleader His real name is John Ratzenberger, if you must know.
Think about why we had so many owners here, it's because we were that busy nearly 24 hours, so needed a global owner team.
@JerryCoffin I'm competing with the students. I'm doing radix sort for 1 and 2. A std::async std::sort for 3 (mergeing the parts). I'm curious what you think about the data.
@thecoshman Partly. Also because early on, we ended up with a room with all owners absent.
23:46
I very much doubt we have the need, but at the same time, if any of those owners are still showing up, it makes sense to keep them as owners, if they know the 'new vibe'
@JerryCoffin True, but that was long ago (by absent you mean, no longer coming here)
@JerryCoffin The cliff has a name already? :thinking:
@thecoshman Yes--nobody able to use even the meager tools SO deigns to provide.
@Borgleader "The Effect"
The effect is called Discord :P
@Borgleader Google the name (though you probably aren't old enough to remember when it was current).
23:50
Ohhhhh
igitit
@Borgleader You saw a completely random looking name coming from me, and didn't think: "Hmm...who's that?"
Too late for me to bother :P
Any way, night bitchs
@thecoshman Nighty night!
@thecoshman Sleep well cunt.
two self claimed b!tches >_<
23:58
@TelKitty There is a method of extrapolation called Richardson extrapolation. One neat feature is that it describes the magnitude of the errors in the extrapolation,

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