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7:19 PM
Ok: kicking & flagging is a reasonable way to maintain order in a room. But do remember, both implicitly ask mods to assist. Mods are busy; if your room is full of insults, vulgarity and nonsense then you're making what should be an easy task - imposing a long suspension on whoever is causing trouble - much more difficult than it needs to be.
 
Shog9 has unfrozen this room.
 
Was it a collective effort of us all, or was something specific flagged that resulted in a lock?
 
Definitely a collective effort
 
so "nonsense" is not allowed now?
 
Read what I wrote, please.
 
7:21 PM
O_o
 
I aslo was about to ask a question, but I guess I won;t
 
I appreciate that the ndDuGgER button still shows while locked
 
@Shog9 I get that you're upset, and I think it would have been preferable to ask the room to cool down and deal with offenders individually.
 
@Shog9 If kicking people will draw your attention to us to inflict wrath, you just took away one f our only tools of control. I was unsure of what I could do before and am doubly so now.
 
@Shog9 I mostly see shitmodding, not shitposting
 
7:23 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm not particularly upset. But I also don't want this to be my whole day.
 
I'm out for now
ban away
 
ok
 
@Shog9 I don't want this to be your whole day too
 
I mean, I'm ok with what just happened, because it wasn't just me this time
 
Everybody chill, let me try to explain this
 
7:24 PM
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum you'd already been asked.
 
Everyone just needs some more globglogabgalab in their lives
 
59 mins ago, by Vap0r
GuYs cAn wE GiVe tHe sHiTpOsTiNg a bReAk?
That was the response to being asked.
 
From my understanding, it's not our normal behavior, it's the behavior when somebody needs to be kicked.
The person is trolled, fed, etc. The noise around it is all Shog means
Doesn't mean we can't joke about things with each other, just, when somebody is disrupting the room, remove them, and don't make a hassle about it
 
did we kick vap0r for that?
 
7:26 PM
@Luggage I was tempted tbh, but I didn't want to throw the room into a shitstorm
 
tl;dr: if mods can't tell the difference between trolls and room regulars, there's a real problem.
 
because shog just said that kicsk draw him in.. so I am not sure if we are being to that we should have kicked vapor or we shouldn't have.
 
@Shog9 I wasn't here for that, I'll read that thread and see what happened. How do we help this not be a problem for you?
 
@Shog9 in response to that, one of the more problematic people had been kicked. The freeze later seemed, at first, unrelated.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum see tl;dr above
 
7:26 PM
which, as the person who had kicked, was confusing
 
@ssube The room was in full-on twitch chat mode, at least looking at the transcript.
 
@Luggage nono, the kick on TheOneAndVerb dude was a 3rd mod flag kick
That brought Shog here
 
Kick trolls sooner
 
@MadaraUchiha I get that, and I don't disagree.
 
Honestly?
 
7:27 PM
yea, I think we all agree ROs should have done something.
 
ndugger should have been called out on using the bot to continue to bug TheOneWhoMade
 
but the long timeout with instructions about not kicking are confusing
 
Sure he's a troll, but you don't answer troll with troll
 
I really like that we have the same exact conversation every time something bad happens
 
@Luggage good lord... No. More kicks.
I'm only here because another moderator was trying to sort this out and finding it unnecessarily difficult.
 
7:28 PM
You guys should have listened to @SterlingArcher when he asked for things to be toned down
 
I kicked in direct response to that.
 
@MadaraUchiha tbh once the issue was kicked the room was fine
 
Not sure how to respond more than that
 
@ndugger lmao were you really using the guys own bot to troll him?
I thought that was all manual
 
You guys should have kicked Vap0r instantly after his response to @SterlingArcher's request at toning down the conversation
 
7:28 PM
@SterlingArcher no, Cap
 
@MadaraUchiha agreed
 
It would have been even better if I used his own bot
 
!!ban ndugger
 
@rlemon ndugger added to mindjail.
 
7:29 PM
Thank you
 
sorry, dems the rules.
 
Isn't that reaction a bit late?
 
Does this I get my moderator powers now? I will rule this chatroom with an iron fist
 
honestly, I didn't notice earlier or I would have.
 
you still arent a mod
 
7:30 PM
> make one joke with bot
get mindjailed 40 minutes later
ok bob
 
@SterlingArcher honestly it was considered at one point (chat mods)
I think we should just generally be nicer and deal with trolls less
 
@SterlingArcher we can timeout and shoud more
well, during thigns like this
but like.. shorter, hopefully :)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum you mean put up with them less?
 
I always forget we can also freeze the room as well
 
@Luggage Doesn't particularly work when some of the room owners are in on it
 
7:31 PM
"deal with [them] less" sounds like kick less
 
maybe just ignore trolling ?
 
nope.
destroy it
 
I'm ok with kicking trolls immensely faster
 
@ssube I mean put up with them less by kicking them indefinitely on the second offense
 
Why does most latin pop sound like fallout boy?
 
7:31 PM
@DenysSéguret even if a few people try to ignore it, it eventually derails everyone
 
or is it the other way around?
 
let no bridge go unturned
 
What I don't get is why there's always so many problems here. I never have to ban anybody on Miaou. And people here aren't supposed to be kids
 
@ndugger gonna be honest bud, this isn't looking good for you
lmao
 
We're having this same conversation every time it happens. Either here or on GitHub or both.
 
7:32 PM
I must admit though, given what was said after the "slow down on the shitposting" comment, I thought the whole thing was, more or less, directed towards feeding TheOneWhoVerb (?)
 
@MadaraUchiha we took a vote, then choose to sit on it :)
 
@hilli_micha it was
 
@SterlingArcher What, because everyone always gets mad about everything?
 
if we're going to have a modicum of due process, we should do something about it
 
you talking about #61 or other?
 
7:33 PM
#61. It's at +9/-0, a unanimous vote by a near-majority.
 
@ndugger When was the last time you actually made a positive contribution to the room?
 
Can someone shed some light on what #61 is?
 
@ndugger No.
 
@ssube make it +10
 
I'm all for fun, but look how one person single handedly changed the room
 
7:34 PM
@ndugger not you
 
@KendallFrey I do all the time; don't be intentionally daft
 
and it had seemed, a little bit, like TheOneWho had been improving slightly. Terrria hadn't come up in a few hours...
 
gone for 30 days anyway
 
Probably for the best
 
I'm as guilty of trolling and shitposting as anybody, if not more than most tbh
 
7:34 PM
at some point, though, sympathy has to give way to sanity. We brought it up and took a vote for a reason.
 
@ndugger It's not intentionally
 
When was the last time you contributed positively? Does talking about space and playing KSP count towards JS? No. Don'y be a hypocrite
I've helped people with JS almost every day in here, whether it was a small answer to a small question or actually helping solve a problem
 
Right
Let me just stop you right there.
 
everyone stops
 
:ohh god cap, keep quiet:
 
7:38 PM
I was going to say something unrelated, but now I'm waiting for the follow-up
 
same
 
@Luggage I didn't wannt say it xD I'm honestly not sure if he's typing or stopping the conversation LOL
 
there's so much drama in this pause
 
so the giants are bound to win this year, right?
 
FYI:
Messages per month per room, last 24 months
 
7:39 PM
JS rules
 
That's mighty weird
 
hah wow we are quite active.. and the others are dying :/
 
I've actually cut back on messages lately
 
whoa what happened to lounge
 
Been busy with Rust and work
 
7:39 PM
Is the lounge dead?
 
@Zirak hockey is more prevalent here
 
@KendallFrey this
 
@SterlingArcher I have a hockey tournament this weekend, actually :D
 
@Shog9 what's that all-time high? The legend is hiding it
 
No followup, just really didn't like the direction that conversation was going.
 
7:40 PM
hey we're the most successful chat, collective high five?
 
No kidding? Wheel snipe celly boys
 
dirty fuckin dangles boys
 
@ssube over 120K messages/month, for two months straight
 
So, apparently StackOverflow uses MobX - any plans for a React rewrite @Shog9 ?
 
:high fives:
 
7:40 PM
@MadaraUchiha that was incredibly dramatic pause and Calculon would be proud +1
 
so talk less everyone.
j/k :)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum spits
11
 
@MadaraUchiha Agreed, but I was just defending myself from Kendall targeting me. I don't disagree that I troll, but I contribute too, and had the right to say so.
 
oh, I meant the JS room peak around the same time, but it looks like 95k
 
@Shog9 Haha :D
 
7:41 PM
I think bots need flair. then I would still hold the message 'title'
:(
 
@Shog9 one of us, one of us
 
@ndugger It was aimed at both of you.
 
@ndugger and you've been much better lately, on average.
 
Fair enough
 
there are a bunch of internal tools that use various fancy things
 
7:41 PM
It's true, nick has been really good. We just can't let him near trolls anymore
 
I just can't help myself when I find easy prey
 
it's like relapse xD
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum early adopters ftw
 
seriously, anyone else think we can get account flair for bots? :P
 
@rlemon You mean like on discord?
 
7:42 PM
Red name instead of blue
 
@Shog9 Was that intentional? Because that particular meme had its own day here lol
 
@ndugger hey discord is a good idea.
 
Equal wages
 
@Shog9 would you consider lightening the sentence on our user1234?
 
I'm just sour Natty has 800K messages
 
7:42 PM
@Loktar javascript discord lolno
 
I don't think he deserves the same ban the trolling offender got
 
@SterlingArcher I'll talk to him.
 
@hilli_micha I'm not up on y'all's memes
 
@Zirak that makes them look evil
 
Remember when we all migrated to miaou? That lasted like 2 weeks
Then everyone trickled back
 
7:43 PM
@ssube appropriate
 
@SterlingArcher I'll leave that up to Madara
 
I think orange is a good color for bots. They're the opposite of moderators.
 
@MadaraUchiha thanks, I do appreciate that
 
@ssube yes and?
 
mildly dangerous but not very
 
7:43 PM
@ndugger the nice thing is there's voice chat built in
 
I would be totally game for a discord because everyone deserves to hear my disgusting voice
 
That's true
 
easier to do "hangouts" or game with eachother
 
My ugly has reverb.
 
@ssube how about lipgloss pink?
 
7:43 PM
not a replacement, but an enhancement
 
@hilli_micha it's true
 
@hilli_micha but then you'd constantly hear me vaping
 
@Loktar so @KendallFrey can hear me breathe and stretch?
 
I could hear you dripping during L4D
 
vape daddy
 
7:43 PM
exactly
 
@Shog9 since nobody else said it, thank you for coming and explaining to us what's up.
 
@rlemon heh, Kamil called me out at one point for eating some cookies
 
but never do it again
 
@ssube that stung a little, lol!
 
I'm shocked the room didn't explode tbh
 
7:44 PM
@SterlingArcher are you running for mod or something?
 
@ssube Kamil leaves for smoke breaks
 
@hilli_micha I'm sorry, I don't even know your sanitation habits
 
@SterlingArcher lick it goood
 
@Loktar lol nah man, my chat history is worse than the emails hillary lost
 
@Loktar I caught that too; he's being overtly political
 
7:44 PM
yeah I cringed.
 
Hell, I'm not offended, I'm just impressed.
 
I'm offended
 
it helps paint a picture of my ugly, which really is a beautiful thing in its own right
 
@SterlingArcher believes workers should be paid more, that beer should be cold, and no matter what you're told, we have to clean the mould
 
Kind of like how Bulldogs are so ugly, they wrap around to being cute.
 
7:45 PM
Did you guys hear about that there javascript?
 
mould?
 
@SterlingArcher lol that reminds me of a meme (incoming hangouts)
 
@hilli_micha I just imagine Mucus Man in place of you these days
 
@Zirak risky meme. very 2016
 
Anyway, point of posting that chart was to answer a question someone asked about why stuff happens here... Social communities tend to grow up to the point where they can no longer effectively manage themselves. Which varies a lot based on the strategies for self-governance, but almost always gets hit sooner or later - suddenly, old strategies break down. The more informal the strategy, the faster it breaks. And then all hell breaks loose. So... This is manageable, but only if you anticipate it.
3
 
7:46 PM
That damn Mucinex.
 
Can someone write me a jquery plugin that compiles Rust to asm.js?
 
@Shog9 so we need to start writing it down, you mean?
 
oh boy
 
formalize our strategies, synergize our ideation, etc
 
he means follow the rules we laid out, liek you were saying yourself, @ssube
 
7:46 PM
@Shog9 we do have a system in place, somewhat, on github. problem was lack of execution.
 
@KendallFrey omg
 
We need a 10 commandments of JS
 
1. no jQuery
 
yeah, we talk things out, we're just sloppy on handing kicks (myself included)
 
Jordan can write them for us, since he's jewish
 
7:47 PM
2. More jQuery
 
@Luggage I didn't think of that as formal initially, but yeah, it is
 
3. Canadians not allowed
 
I'm like the least jewish jewish guy here
 
@Zirak no one wants to be the tyrant
 
4. don't be snarky. Snarky comments lead to offended people
 
7:47 PM
I wanna be the tyrant
I'll do it
 
Kick often, unless it's me. Don't kick me.
 
@DenysSéguret lead
 
@Zirak personally, after kicking the same user a dozen times, it gets old
 
5. Ignore the irony between 3 and 4.
 
I want somebody else to do it
 
7:48 PM
@Loktar thanks for the correction
 
6. preemptively kick ndugger every hour
 
@DenysSéguret I was just being snarky! 😛
 
I imagine that goes for everyone, so then nobody kicks
 
As crazy as things were, in about an hour this room will die until monday
 
Usually when I'm about to kick someone else beats me
 
7:48 PM
7. Apologize to ndugger for always picking on him
 
my kick threshold is slightly above average I guess
 
8. don't be snarky, seriously
 
I rarely kick because it takes a lot for me to see something someone is saying as being wrong personally. I mean I'd only kick @towc under normal circumstances.
 
This room is unusually active for a Friday evening
 
Hmm I notice many tools "by default" include font-awesome in their "new application" generator.
 
7:49 PM
@KendallFrey one day you'll find somebody who kicks you and beats you <3
 
@Ikari netflix is lagging.
 
@ssube <3
 
@paul23 Yea, it's a popular set of icons.
 
What is font-awesome actually doing? I never noticed any difference if I removed it.
 
Lmao what did I miss
 
7:49 PM
@paul23 uhhh
 
@paul23 icons?
 
@paul23 makes a default icon set as a font.
the fonts scales and colour easily
 
@BenFortune a looooot of stuff
 
@BenFortune room was locked for like 10 minutes
 
30 minutes
 
7:50 PM
lol if you remove FA and still see the icons well.. you are still using FA 😋
 
I only ever see Shog in here when someone goes full retard
 
oh, 30?
 
FA is one of 3ish big icon libraries
 
time flies when you have no idea what the hell you're doing and your rust won't compile
 
@BenFortune then you know what happened :)
 
7:50 PM
@BenFortune it wasn't me this time
 
!!afk vape and potential standup?
 
Just reading the transcript
 
standup in the late afternoon?
awful
 
@Loktar Well I'm not using icons (yet). Still it was surprising that say many different completely unrelated toolsets included those by default.
 
how do you have a potential standup?
 
7:51 PM
@paul23 oh I mean it's honestly just for icons
 
@paul23 icons are pretty standard in most apps
 
no other reason to include it.
 
I found a thing to do the thing: chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/umatrix/…
 
I'd say there's more using them than not, so it makes sense to include it in the 'default'
 
Using home build images as icons right now
 
7:51 PM
anyway, can someone who was here during the problematic points please post the links in #62? I'm reading the transcript but I'm missing context
 
font icons are more 'robust'
 
can someone screenshot #62
 
a 62? please no
 
pls
 
@Shmiddty I tried using that a while back, it takes far too much time to setup on new websites
 
7:51 PM
I need to know
 
Meh my boss didn't like depending on dynamically loading data from a third party, so while he agreed that I should use font-based icons he asked me "make them yourself then". At which point I prefer to just use images.
 
@KamilSolecki You've inspired me to buy an astra
 
there's nothing interesting there
 
basically the exact same conversation as was here
 
@paul23 you can download the source files and host them yourself.
they all offer it
 
7:53 PM
@BenFortune Did you get the cool Astra?
 
@Luggage you mean the same exact conversation we have every time something happens in here?
 
@hilli_micha Not yet, but I'm looking at the GTC VXR
 
or is that fact a part of the conversation as well?
 
Yeah, I remember when you linked it to me..the Astra VXR looks dope, I think you'll have fun.
tbh, I'm kind of wishing I had gotten the Fiesta ST a little bit, because people go on about how it's the more tossable, lively of the twol
(As opposed to my FoST anyway), but still, I need a little bit of cargo room, so its a trade off. I still have fun.
 
@BenFortune does it prompt you for each request?
 
7:55 PM
@hilli_micha funny enough, a coworker who has one was telling me how awful it is yesterday
actually Weds, but very recently.
 
the fiesta or the other?
 
the Fiesta ST
 
@Shmiddty I think it blocks everything by default, then you have to figure out what to whitelist
 
apparently it shifts really nice, but the build quality otherwise is even worse than my Evo was
 
@BenFortune hmm... yeah that's not ideal from a user perspective
 
7:55 PM
Might be worth checking out (as I said, I just didn't have done that, I'm not argueing against it). But can the icons me "moving gifs". - Ie what I use now as only imagery is a spinner followed by either a cross or a "checked" icon. Based on the backend result. -- I doubt font-awesome can be used to serve a moving thing like a spinner icon right?
 
no it has spinners
and animation
 
Well, if it's anything like my FoST, mechanically, it's a peach. But the interior, oh no, it's pretty bad, rattles out the butt.
 
It can do spinners, but not complex anaimations
 
no, but it can spin
:P
 
s/nice/easily, he was complaining about the computer sync feature at one point
 
7:56 PM
I never realized how much I depend on inheritance underneath the hood of whatever language I'm using. I think that's my main hurdle with Rust; strongly typed without inheritance.
 
If he has the Sync 2 system, then yeah, I can see his axe to grind, that system is overall garbage.
 
Font awesome icons are too thick tbh
 
@hilli_micha I imagine so, it seems like a trend in sporty cars in the 25-35k range
 
thick in appearance?
 
they're expensive enough to be good cars, but the finishing details are garbage
 
7:57 PM
Yeah
 
@Ikari I mostly use fontello
 
@ndugger go learn c++, you'll quickly remove all traces of inheritance due to complexity of the assignment/copy/destruction/etc
 
check it out. it's just a site that lets you do custom builds of most popular icon fonts (or custom)
 
/me googles fontello
@rlemon that's pretty neat
 
I will agree with that statement, but all in all, it's still an blast to drive. Ford really nailed the actual driving aspect of it..but it's very obvious that came to the detriment of the 'luxuries' and anything non-essential to that.
 
7:58 PM
@paul23 The folks in the rust room were saying that going from C++ to Rust is a lot easier than what I'm coming from
 
It was my biggest relief when learning python or c#. Inheritance just works in those languages.
 
@paul23 oh boy..."let's learn about move constructors!" dies
And the default constructors...
 
@Zirak but they prevent so many allocations
 
And friends...
@ssube They're important, but it's just so awkward
You have to remember everything
 

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