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10:00 PM
I have no idea why they went Deny, Allow and not Allow, Deny.
It's silly on so many levels.
 
> the web is unsafe
wow I knew that already
 
sbi
Fill a $249 iPod wit pirated music and you can be sued for more than what the music industry has racked up since Thomas Edison first filled a 20-ton wax cylinder with an early rendition of “Free Bird”: arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/06/…
 
I don't know if I should rewrite my unicode library from scratch again, or simply disallow encodings where a codepoint does not take an integeral number of char_types. (UTF7)
@sbi which country?
 
sbi
@MooingDuck How many countries are out there that denote their currency with an unqualified "$"?
 
United States of Fail.
 
sbi
10:06 PM
 
You know, I'm looking through a list of feature requests for chat, and most of them aren't even declined.
Eh, I'll try with that simpler one, I'm pretty sure nobody will even bother with that other one.
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Why go to the trouble and turmoils denying would cause, when you can just let them rot instead?
 
On meta nobody will bother anyway.
 
Hello - how did I get here?
 
dunno
 
10:08 PM
@reuf you clicked some damn links.
 
sbi
In computing, a uniform resource locator (URL) is a specific character string that constitutes a reference to an Internet resource. A URL is technically a type of uniform resource identifier (URI) but in many technical documents and verbal discussions URL is often used as a synonym for URI. History The Uniform Resource Locator was created in 1994 by Tim Berners-Lee and the URI working group of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) as an outcome of collaboration started at the IETF Living Documents "Birds of a Feather" session in 1992. The format combines the pre-existing system of ...
 
@reuf by the look of things you clicked quite a few chat links
 
wawawiwa great success
no guys i wanted to read some stuff on C++ here, first line i read Cat Plus Plus 0:05 United States of Fail.
i was like
Cpp - USF - how do those two correlate
 
Lounge<C++> and C++. How do those two correlate?
 
the keyword C++
 
10:11 PM
@RadekSlupik C++ is the glue that std::binds
 
Not really, no.
We talk about C++ only occasionally
 
@reuf C++ isn't a keyword :)
 
term?
 
sbi
@reuf You might want to spend some time reading the newbies hints. linked from the right-hand panel. (And then consider whether you want to run screaming to some other room.)
 
Most of the time we make fun of each other, stupid SO users, PHP and Java and idiotic questions.
 
10:13 PM
I comprehend. So what is the current discussion revolving around? Give me the terms - let me spill my mind :)?
 
Around you and this chat room.
 
sbi
1 min ago, by sbi
@reuf You might want to spend some time reading the newbies hints. linked from the right-hand panel. (And then consider whether you want to run screaming to some other room.)
 
@RadekSlupik and before that blacklist vs whitelist for chat access control
 
And before that Ruby.
 
@RadekSlupik ...and don't forget sex! (You there Tony?)
 
10:15 PM
@Tony sex!!
Sex is for non-programmers.
 
@RadekSlupik Disagreed :)
 
@RadekSlupik love the intro page to your profiles -
 
@RadekSlupik Where I went to college they sold T-shirts: "Sex kills. Go to Tech and live forever!"
 
@reuf Intro page?
 
whatever you wanna call it - daknok.github.com
 
10:17 PM
Oh, wobsite.
 
You think that's meta enough?
People, work with me here.
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin Oh. Is that the reason American Techs do not reproduce?
@CatPlusPlus We're not that mad, you know.
 
@sbi That's actually quite funny :P
 
Oh, just tell me if that's a good post. I'm not used to making questions and stuff.
 
give me some repo to keep me busy for the next two hours?
 
sbi
10:21 PM
9 mins ago, by sbi
@reuf You might want to spend some time reading the newbies hints. linked from the right-hand panel. (And then consider whether you want to run screaming to some other room.)
@ScarletAmaranth "That" referring to...?
 
@reuf what kind of repos? The ones on my GH page?
 
@sbi Probably not. At least half the people I knew there were studying engineering because they'd read somewhere that it was the fastest route to management.
 
@sbi Thats why Maerican Techs do not reproduce, you sneaky individual.
 
or similar
 
Work on daknox if you want a challenge.
 
10:23 PM
Fine, I'll just make the post. Your fault if they laugh at it. :<
 
@CatPlusPlus is it really?
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin Oh, management!? Well, then that is the problem.
Contrary to what Knuth believed, anagement is the root of all evil.
 
@sbi Well, he's listening alright.
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Isn't that his first error?
 
@sbi Looks like it's far from the last.
 
sbi
10:25 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Ah, so you're supporting my campaign? I had you sorted wrong, then.
 
@sbi Of course I am. I'm not that stupid.
 
@sbi A problem -- only one of many, I'm afraid.
 
@sbi - read the newbie page - thanks for the advice - lots of cool info
@RadekSlupik let me take alook at dakonx
 
@EtiennedeMartel Just exactly how stupid aren't you then?
 
I'm hungry. Time to get some bacon.
Vomit or not.
 
sbi
10:26 PM
@reuf Oh, cool, huh? You must have been at the wrong page then.
 
@JerryCoffin Herp derp.
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin I think he's pretty much not as stupid as the rest of us isn't.
 
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Q: Make it possible to revoke write access to public chat rooms

Cat Plus PlusThere is already a two-tier ACL system in place: it allows us to choose default access mode (Public for "default read and write" and Gallery for "default read, no write"), and then assign access levels to users. For the purpose of this post, let's label them: Level 0: explicit read access Level...

 
@sbi Yeah, right...
@CatPlusPlus Any bets on its even receiving an official "declined"?
 
Lol WTP'--'s got over a hundred notifications.
 
10:29 PM
p = 0.7 that it'll be ignored, 0.2 that it'll be declined, 0.1 that it'll be accepted.
 
What's the caucus badge? I got it over ten times.
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus 1.0 that it will be debated.
 
Useful utils (Network[ftp,sftp,sockets], Data Manip, System stuff) repos for cpp on github - recommed links?
 
@reuf www.boost.org.
 
Sorry, Boost isn't on github afaik.
 
sbi
10:30 PM
@RadekSlupik You get the caucus badge if your ancestors are of the Caucasian race.
 
They have a GH mirror, I think.
 
Ha. Ha.
 
@RadekSlupik Visited an election page.
 
Oh. Why did I get it ten times?
 
@JerryCoffin thanks
 
10:32 PM
The radio has glitched, and is now playing all of their "This is 106.1 KissFM" audio bits in a row. It's been about 5 minutes now of 5 second music samples and telling me I'm listening to KissFM >.<
 
Well, you might have missed it the first couple times.
What if someone just tuned in and they don't know they're listening to KissFM.
 
Radio sucks.
I can get free music of better quality and listen to it whenever I want.
 
Radio is good. It doesn't require any effort to operate.
It just plays on its own.
Magic.
To play music with no radio you have to get music first.
:effort:
 
iTunes/Winamp/WMP/whatever —> Playlist —> Hit space. Voila, it plays on its own.
Oh the effort.
 
I just hire the bands to come to my house when I want to listen to them
 
10:36 PM
And I don't intend to pay for music, of all things.
I'd have less money for useful things, like games.
And food.
 
You pirate music but not games?
 
TPB —> Enter album name —> Hit return —> Click link —> Click link —> Hit return —> Wait —> Drag to iTunes —> Fix ID3 tags —> Hit return. Voila. You can listen to it whenever you want.
 
I don't pirate music.
I use radio.
@RadekSlupik Investing time and bandwidth and disk space.
Nope.
:effort:
 
Oh and radio doesn't consume bandwidth?
 
Does C++ guarantee that a caller can access the public members of a nested protected struct returned by a public member? ideone.com/dgExl
 
10:38 PM
Oh you mean that crappy air radio. Even worse quality.
 
Less than full-speed download.
Radio KoL is cool.
 
sbi
@RadekSlupik It's a new badge that's been applied retroactively.
 
@MooingDuck I believe that as soon as you have an instance of a type, you can call whatever's public on it.
 
I tried various radio stations but they are either 192 kb/s or they don't play my kind of music.
 
64 is fine for radio.
 
10:39 PM
Mixing Boost with Qt - to do or to not do ? - expirience?
 
192 is a waste of everything.
 
320 kb/s minimum for me.
 
@reuf Why not?
@RadekSlupik Lol.
Your audio equipment is crappy anyway, from what we've heard through Mumble.
 
I dont know - never tried it - wanna see if anyone had experience...
 
I'm not happy with imperfections.
 
10:40 PM
I don't hear any imperfections in 64kbps stream.
 
It sounds like crap.
 
But then again I'm not a silly audiophile.
Do you buy golden cables, too?
I hear sound travels better through those.
 
Wi-Fi ftw.
 
Wi-Fi audio equipment?
 
Also that's irrelevant for digital audio.
Oh for speakers?
HDMI.
 
10:42 PM
Bye all - thanks for all the advice - always learned something new on SO. Amazing project, amazing people :) - Have a nice day/night and best of all to you.
 
Probably copper or something. I don't care.
 
Good bye friend
 
@reuf was good to know you man.
 
@RadekSlupik I find it pretty humorous how many "audiophile" salespeople can expound for hours on the benefits of cable with higher purity copper and such, but have no clue about (for one example) balanced cabling.
@reuf Later.
 
@JerryCoffin The cable thing's a complete myth
 
10:43 PM
Cables don't matter, as long as they are not a thousand metres long.
But I can certainly hear a difference between 192kb/s and 320kb/s sound.
 
@JerryCoffin They don't need to have a clue, they rely on people not having a clue.
I don't hear a difference between 64 and 320.
 
I bet you don't have a subwoofer.
 
and now I can hear the DJ on the phone talking to some girl during the music. classy.
 
64 has pretty noticiable artifacts
 
I use speakers only when I watch films with other people.
 
10:45 PM
I can tell them apart until 320 and then I have no idea past that point
320 vs. FLAC, no idea
 
How can you beat FLAC?
 
64kb/s sounds like you have set up the worst equalizer of all time: higher frequencies +10000db.
@Pubby live.
 
64 kb/s is like listening through a potato
2
 
I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
You don't hear any bass.
 
10:47 PM
who needs bass when you have anemones
 
Or at least much less than usual.
 
I don't want to hear any bass, bass is for background.
 
I know.
But no bass at all makes everything sound so bad.
 
Loud bass makes everything else drown in the noise and it's just loud wubwubwub.
 
Bass doesn't need to be loud.
 
10:48 PM
I'm fine with my 64 thanks.
 
@RadekSlupik Cables matter more than most people think. When you're dealing with low-level signals (e.g., microphone cables) balanced cabling is pretty much a necessity. Even for loudspeaker cables, I'd guess there's at least some possibility of a difference.
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A: Do expensive, "premium" speaker cables actually make a difference?

user2046There are a number of possibilities for ways that speaker wire could affect sound. Larger wire will reduce DC resistance. Larger wire that isn't stranded will increase inductance, which will lead to increased impedance at higher frequencies. The insulation used will affect the capacitance betwee...

 
Dat answer. o_o
 
> The world is overflowing with petty, selfish losers who happen to have Internet access.
 
8500 for cables :D Surely :D
 
oh, radio DJ finally noticed that we could hear the callers and fixed it :D
 
10:53 PM
Yay oscilloscope fun.
 
Oscillococcinum.
 
MSVC9, Y U instantiating template class with no template parameters?
 
Y u MSVC9.
 
Gogo 2012 RC.
 
sbi
10:54 PM
A pink, mooing duck? Is he stating his support for gay marriage?
 
Complaining about MSVC is redundant.
 
It sure is for mac users, @RadekSlupik
 
7 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
 
@sbi look more closely, slowpoke.
 
@sbi Gay marriage is cool.
 
10:55 PM
@sbi someone posted a half psyduck and half slowpoke mix thing, so I made it my avatar
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Don't get me wrong, I've got nothing against it. I was merely wondering what made him change.
 
@CatPlusPlus actually this one is MSVC10. Because it makes debugging easy and the IDE rocks. But I have GCC hooked up for when the compiler is stupid.
 
@ScarletAmaranth As I noted in that answer, I can't see any loss of signal integrity after passing through the "Kimber Kable", so I have difficulty believing anything more expensive would do much good. Twisting/braiding really can reduce noise levels. Makes a difference in digital too -- e.g., the big difference between Cat 3 wiring (10 MBPS) and Cat 5 (100+ MBPS) is that Cat 5 requires twisted pairs.
 
What day is it by the way?
It's just Tuesday right?
 
sbi
@RadekSlupik Which longitude?
 
11:01 PM
Holland. UTC+1 IIRC.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I never quite understood men being hostile toward gays, gay marriage, etc. When I was single, I figured the more men who were gay, the better. My idea of heaven would have been where most men were gay (and therefore, most women were available!)
 
Holy shit it's Wednesday.
 
sbi
@RadekSlupik I am sure the machine you're at provides you with the date/time info.
 
I'm on my iPod. It only shows the time.
 
@Pubby: Can't find it, and TBH I don't care enough to. It was forbidden AFAIR, but no compiler complains anyway.
 
sbi
11:03 PM
@RadekSlupik Well, which day do you think 12:03 would refer to?
 
@sbi I thought Tuesday.
But appearantly Wednesday.
 
@JerryCoffin Makes sense :)
 
@JerryCoffin what if most women were gay too?
 
@RadekSlupik That wouldn't be nearly so good!
 
Bisexuals have the largest number of people to choose from.
 
11:06 PM
What about trisexuals?
 
O.O
 
What? Do they fuck unicorns?
Zooophiles.
 
sbi
Fornicate the unicorns, but it will be really helpful! +1 from me. — sbi 38 mins ago
 
I want a tricorn.
 
The terms third gender and third sex describe individuals who are categorized (by their will or by social consensus) as neither man nor woman, as well as the social category present in those societies who recognize three or more genders. The term "third" is usually understood to mean "other"; some anthropologists and sociologists have described fourth, fifth, and even some genders. The concepts of "third", "fourth" and "some" gender can be somewhat difficult to understand within Western conceptual categories. Although biology often determines genetically whether a human being is male or...
 
11:09 PM
Male, female, Pyro.
 
Male, female, Lounge<C++> attendee.
 
I am rapidly approaching the conclusion that one cannot write a std::string-like class that can keep internal data in an arbitrary unicode format. Namely, UTF7 breaks everything.
 
Screw UTF7.
 
Also, internal storage doesn't have to be contiguous.
Also, there's that Unicode string/encoded string difference.
 
11:19 PM
@CatPlusPlus I knew this was going to be a bad idea when I started, but I really had no idea just how bad it would get
 
@MooingDuck UTF-7 is dead and gone. It was dropped as of Unicode 1.1 (the current standard is 6.1).
Actually, "dead and gone" is sort of wrong as well -- it implies that it was once "alive and here", but the reality is that nobody ever really used it.
 
I wasn't even making the iterators writable, they were read-only. :(
 
@JerryCoffin Until today.
 
I've disabled Ghostery for now and switched Chrome to dev channel. If this thing going to keep leaking, I'll be really mad.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I'm not sure he's really used it either (in fact, it sounds like he's pretty much concluded he can't -- which doesn't surprise me at all).
 
11:23 PM
@JerryCoffin sure, but it's made me realize my string class can't handle encodings with positional "state" like that. Sometimes one way, sometimes another. I was trying to make this flexible enough to handle arbitrary unicode encodings.
 
@MooingDuck Why? What's the point of supporting a format that isn't now, nor ever was, used enough to care about?
 
wait, I got this, I know how to solve this.
 
Don't complicate your internals to accommodate useless encoding.
 
@MooingDuck Famous last words.
 
@MooingDuck With regular expressions?
 
11:28 PM
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, that's the ticket!
 
Also, I need a multi-TZ clock for Chrome.
Anyone's using something cool?
 
Why would you want a clock in your web browser?
 
Because that's the thing I have fullscreened most of the time, duh.
Well, maximized not fullscreened.
 
Oh. Hm.
What OS are you using?
 
Win7, not that it matters.
 
11:32 PM
@JerryCoffin because it represents an entire category of potential encodings that my string could not at any point encode.
 
Every single extension I can find has a terribly useless UI.
I want Foxclocks back. ;_;
@MooingDuck What's the issue, though?
You don't really need anything more than I/O on an encoded string.
 
@MooingDuck ...and? Is there an encoding in that category that somebody uses enough for it to matter? No matter what you do, there will be many forms of encoding you wan't handle -- but as long as nobody uses them, who cares?
 
@CatPlusPlus There isn't a clock on the task bar?
 
@Pubby You've missed the "multi-TZ" part.
I don't need so much of a clock but fast TZ conversions.
 
@CatPlusPlus that I can't tell the number of characters that a codepoint will take.
 
11:37 PM
And no, I'm not going to remember TZ details.
 
What timezones do you use?
 
All 40 of them!
 
@MooingDuck Encoding can reallocate the buffer few times, and nothing will explode.
I guess I'll just write it myself. Beh.
 
The clock thingy?
 
11:40 PM
Why don't you just switch to Firefox? You're constantly complaining about Chrome eating your RAM.
 
It works faster. :.
 
@CatPlusPlus that's an option, but I feel like string::insert(iterator, count, codepoint) ought to not need to reallocate a few times.
 
@MooingDuck Encoded string doesn't have to be mutable.
In fact, I don't think it should be.
 
s/doesn't/shouldn't.
 
Hell, I don't think any string should be.
But that's me channelling functional programming.
 
11:43 PM
eh, I'm keeping as much std::string functionality as possible. Most of it is trivial.
ah curses. encodings where bytes are not integers of chars will make output_iterators impossible without ranges. Which means I either drop that functionality, or rewrite my iterators to use ranges.
 
std::string sucks.
Ranges are better anyway.
 
Hmm, how bad would it be to have an output iterator that "flushes" during reassignment/destruction?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes eh, there's plenty of bad design in this. Onward!
(I bet you just cringed)
 
@MooingDuck It's limiting. If I write *it = x; I expect it to be x right away.
 
11:49 PM
@Mysticial Hello.
 
@GManNickG hey
Finally got my ping?
 
@Mysticial Cha, finally had time to respond.
 
@GManNickG Cool. Could you ping your email? Or you could find mine through my website from my profile.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I guess I do have to rewrite this all a 7th time don't I. I knew I should have tried ranges sooner.
 
@Mysticial Done.
 
11:55 PM
@GManNickG thx
 

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