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12:00 AM
Flash shouldn't have access to the kernel directly
it's a user mode app, should be fairly protected from running kernel code.
unless I"m stupid?
 
Hah, the program works now, for full values
 
Obviously, you now need to become a super villain to avenge your kernel @EtiennedeMartel
 
Kernel should only be handled with gloves, and possibly a hazmat suit.
 
@TonyTheLion Flash is stupid.
 
12:02 AM
Flash is brilliant
 
Brillant, yes.
 
I don't know, a Flash popup ad opened while I was browsing a site of ambiguous legitimacy, and seems like the whole OS froze up.
 
stupidly brilliant
 
Stupidly brillant, yes.
 
@EtiennedeMartel maybe just a software bug
 
12:02 AM
Flash is too easily hackable
 
It might be Chrome as well.
 
or brilliantly stupid?
 
Brillantly stupid, yes.
 
Thing is, no matter what happens, a modern OS like OS X shouldn't be brought down to its knees by an app, to the point that I have to hit reboot because I can't even bring up the Force Quit dialog.
 
12:04 AM
PIBKAC
 
Mac OSX got killed by Flash, now I'm laughing !
site of ambiguous legitimacy <---- Porn?
 
Non-porn streaming.
 
oh that exists? :P
 
Har har.
 
12:11 AM
@CatPlusPlus You wrote that, eh?
 
I recognized your passive-aggressive style of writing.
 
Why passive? :(
 
I didn't have to recognize his writing, I just read that he wrote it :P
since he said that he did
 
-1 "Yes, on x86 CPUs, integers usually wrap the way you expect." that's wrong. but it's subtle. as i recall it's possible to make them trap on overflow, but that's not what we're talking about here, and i've never seen it done. other than that, and disregarding x86 bcd operations (not permitted representation in C++) x86 integer ops always wrap, because they're two's complement. you're mistaking g++ faulty (or extremely impractical and nonsense) optimization for a property of x86 integer ops. — Cheers and hth. - Alf 38 secs ago
 
12:16 AM
WTF does a "..." message get flagged for in the JavaScript room
these people are like little kids, flagging each other for silly reasons
 
someone was posting a lot of wrong character set text earlier
maybe related?
 
Yeah, it's the same guy.
 
donno
it's just silly and the blue flag counter grabs my attention and I can't ever resist wasting a mouse click on it, and it frustrates the fuck out of me, arrrghhhhhhh
 
CSS it away.
 
12:17 AM
how?
 
Protip: when you want to get a guy banned, flag everything he writes.
 
I suck at CSS
 
If the guy is loathed, it'll work.
 
#flag-count {
display: none ;
}
 
what is the difference between flag as offensive and flag for moderator
 
12:18 AM
but where do I add that?
 
Flag as offensive doesn't really work, and is annoying.
@TonyTheLion What browser?
 
Chrome
some damn flagger had to flag that, WTF?
STOP FUCKING FLAGGING, FOR FUCK SAKE
and no I'm not ashamed of saying that
 
Seriously, though. Stop flagging. It's annoying to those of us it notifies.
 
that's what I was saying
 
12:26 AM
Flag what?
@TonyTheLion Install Stylish for Chrome or Stylebot.
@RadekSlupik Y u moved your showcase project to deleted:?
 
oh tropelink
 
@CatPlusPlus which one?
 
Every one.
 
Wut. Who flagged a trope link?
 
Because I deleted them.
 
12:27 AM
Projects, that should have been.
 
That's not a good idea.
 
i can't see johannes here?
 
So, I'm deleting it completely.
I've also tweaked permissions, so it should be possible to delete your own pages now.
 
a secret flag troll
why is the Stylebot named: oiaejidbmkiecgbjeifoejpgmdaleoha
dafuq does that mean?
 
he he, microsoft APOLOGIZES for penis dance! :-)
 
12:30 AM
WTF:
 
one song line went like this: «I'm a computer genius / The words micro and soft don't apply to my penis»
 
lol, I don't read Norwegian very well
 
@TonyTheLion It's extension ID.
It doesn't really matter for you.
 
ah ok
 
12:32 AM
Install it, create a style for chat.stackoverflow.com, add the snippet to CSS.
There, no more flags.
Well, you'll see rectangles next to messages, but no flags from other rooms at all.
 
how do I create the style?
just a .css file?
 
wow, why aren't more tech expos that exciting
 
@TonyTheLion Click "CSS" icon in the address bar.
Then "Edit CSS".
 
okay, cat can't very well flag own messages, so it's not cat
 
I never flag anything.
 
12:35 AM
That flagging is getting ridiculous. What are you people doing over in this room? ;)
 
There's nothing we can do.
 
oh noes
ok should have no more flag counter now
the best part of my day yet :)
 
there is something you can do. you can give the face of disapproval. ಠ_ಠ
 
my face doesn't need dissapproval :P
 
12:40 AM
> And no PHP or Java questions, no matter what. They will be binned and you will be deemed annoying. See #1.
GENIUS.
 
user457812
Good god, Minecraft + 3d glasses for 30 minutes = my eyes feel like I've been dousing them in chlorine
 
Great wiki cleanup complete.
About 20 pages went down the drain.
 
user457812
Just looked at the acronyms list, mistook ICBW for ICBM >_>
 
same difference
 
user457812
Well, an ICBM is the result of an ICBW with prejudice.
 
12:48 AM
Chat tab now takes 900MB of RAM.
Good work, Chrome.
 
Anyway here knows Boost.MPL?
 
@CatPlusPlus mines only 200MB :/
 
31MB!
^ Why you should use Chrome Canary
 
My chat is bigger than yours.
That sounds weird if you're a French speaker.
 
12:55 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes What's chat in French?
 
Cat.
And other things.
 
Oh, I thought you meant it sounded weird if you translated it to French.
 
@CatPlusPlus I wrote an example for the asking questions page for problem description. Not sure if it's a good one though. gist.github.com/2907931
 
Damn, stupid gist onebox.
 
12:57 AM
Gists are oneboxed stupid for some reason.
 
xkcd too. They aren't scaled down.
 
I'm not sure if there should be an example. People will go "ooh, I'm almost like the example hurr durr".
 
2box
!
 
1:01 AM
redbox bluebox?
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Q: Gist support for chat 'onebox'

Dan McClainIt would be very helpful on question chats (when they go live) to have gist 'onebox' support, to make it easy to share code.

 
Oneboxing gists is stupid.
Why not just paste the code?
 
Time for some comedy gold:
when did stackoverflow become a place for ethical discussion on the value of content? I'm looking to up my revenue by about 20% if i can rock this. — user1447813 1 hour ago
(No, I don't browse , via meta.)
 
I'm hungry.
I'm still hungry.
 
It's linked.
 
@CatPlusPlus Oh gawd.
 
1:08 AM
I was not looking for your honest opinion, i was looking for a solution to my problem. Content is king, and the only place on the web they can get this content is my site, so if it takes 40 clicks to get to it they will do it. — user1447813 2 hours ago
 
That post is absurd
 
@radek where did that xkcd "reminds me" message go?
 
@CheersandhthAlf It was linked in the answer already.
 
1:10 AM
I'm stuck with Snap. :P
Ah I'll continue tomorrow.
 
Why the heck does boost still support VC6?
The code is littered with workarounds.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Boost supports so many crappy implementations, it's ridiculous.
 
Look closer.
It's an emoticon!
 
1:15 AM
No, it's not.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes vc6 is still used by students in e.g. india
 
It's a pain to read code that has #if VC6 all over.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes i like better my idea of "virtual headers". simply put, 3 levels of where to pick up a header, set via include path
would be better with language support though
but anyway, factor out the compiler-dependent and system-dependent stuff
one main problem is where compiler has really nasty non-conformity
 
like VC 7.x friend declarations, not conforming
 
1:18 AM
What do those do?
 
it had trouble with template classes as friends, especially in combination with namespaces
one had to use non-standard syntax
also, it didn't like function try blocks, and that could not be worked around with macro
 
When are function try blocks useful?
 
mostly just for constructors
and mostly just when they need to take ownership of arguments
i can't recall using them for anything else
the function try block avoids introducing an artificial base class
 
I'm watching siren test videos. That's how bored I am.
 
Siren what?
 
1:28 AM
can't ... resist ... must watch siren test videos now
 
think I'll paint myself purple and change my name to Tootie.
 
peer pressure ... overwhelming ... must conform
 
indeed
conforming yet?
lol someone is upvoting a bunch of my answers from 9 months ago
 
@CaptainObvlious ouch, serial upvoter on the loose
^ that's fish
 
is that meat?
 
1:38 AM
hm, i have to dial back my ForwardLook(TM) circuit a bit. you helped him?
 
@CheersandhthAlf yeah. my recent ones as well. think it's the guy I just helped.
 
Fish sucks, even though it's meat.
Technically.
 
wait. fish is meat?
phhhhht I doubt a fish can go moo.
 
Most fish suck. Especially sharks. If they stop sucking they die!
 
> Meat is animal flesh that is eaten as food.
 
1:40 AM
cannibal jack agrees
 
Silly people will argue, because with that definition certain religion is even dumber than usual.
 
@CheersandhthAlf I should try that on my girlfriend
 
well they have to move too
 
Hmm, meat.
 
I can work with that
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Damn it.
 
You like meat a little bit too much.
 
But it's so tasty.
 
Yeah. But everything is tasty.
 
1:50 AM
Not like meat.
 
What about fish?
 
I like fish too.
 
i have great respect for the first caveman who went out on a field, put himself under a cow and sucked her tits
inventing milk
 
I heard that most humans are lactose intolerant.
 
from that beginning it would take thousands of years until evolution had adapted the first humans to actually process that foodstuff (lactose, and that's not over yet!)
 
1:52 AM
@EtiennedeMartel I don't know a single lactose intolerant person.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes That's because you don't live in Asia.
 
so the brave caveman just got a full stomach but no real sustenance
 
Fish are blegh.
 
@CheersandhthAlf I doubt it was a caveman by that time.
 
1:54 AM
"more than 70% of western Europeans can drink milk as adults, compared with less than 30% of people from areas of Africa, eastern and south-eastern Asia and Oceania." - wikipedia
 
Western Europeans are awesome.
 
Does a body good.
 
so they say. but you can never trust a cow
 
1:58 AM
ahh! cow is not declared! x_o
 
you just tie the cow up with cow strings. then can be safely milked
 
Milk is beautiful. Laser cows are amazing... ly precise.
 
@CatPlusPlus This does not make a lot of sense.
 
A cooked cow is a happy cow
 
@EtiennedeMartel But lazors.
 
1:59 AM
If you're not reading Gunnerkrigg, archive binge now and start reading, dammit.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes This does not make a lot of sense either.
 
The amount of ads is too damn profitable.
 
It makes sense in-universe. Read from the beginning. It's great comic.
 
sure, nobody has a problem when there are sharks with lasers, but when a cow gets one?
 
Cows taste good. Sharks not so much.
Also, I believe milk has feelings. And a soul distributed across unit volume.
 
2:05 AM
hm, kat
 
Hypnoticow.
 
Noooo, not cows.
 
that reminds me of the psychedelic movie with all the gifs
 
11th of June. Fuck, time flies.
 
do you have to do both?
 
2:14 AM
oh it was made by the same guy even
 
Time flies like the wind; fruit flies like a banana
who was that?
 
Cyriak. I thought it looked familiar, he made the psychedelic movie. the music has the same feel to it. he has a kind of twisted clever imagination
 
kitty city?
 
here it is: youtube.com/watch?v=Ag-_SOihwwg this video originally was called "psychedelic movie" and it had a heck of a lot more views than it shows
 
2:21 AM
I think he revised it with better quality video, but the content appears to be the same as the original
 
yup. that guy is one strange cookie.
 
Who flagged that?
 
I'd say, you're only supposed to add a teaspoon of vanilla extract, but someone thought they'd be clever and substitute 3 tablespoons of almond extract
 
2:27 AM
:)
 
@RMartinhoFernandes The legend should read "Being @DeadMG".
 
^ Doesn't mention any particular programming language, very baffling.
 
Mine would go over 100%.
 
@CatPlusPlus Better than over 9000, I suppose.
 
3:02 AM
Hey, @awoodland is nominating himself in the election. I think it's time for the Lounge to get a representative in there.
 
3:22 AM
Slowpoke.
 
3:56 AM
Definitely.
I wrote that, then I noticed you guys had already flooded the comments.
Then it was too late to edit.
 
4:14 AM
I'm building a tree data-structure in C++. Is there anything wrong in using std::vector<Node> to store each node's children?
 
No.
Hard to tell however without knowing what you want to do exactly with that tree.
 
This is not a balanced tree, not a sorted tree or whatsoever. I just have hierarchical data that I find it most natural to store in a tree
 
Then, sure, go ahead.
 
thanks
and what about std::_Tree? set's base class?
is it a good idea to use STL's internal data structures?
 
hrm, it doesn't sound like a good idea to me
 
4:21 AM
is it because stl's implementation could change and that will invalidate my class?
or is there any other reason?
 
rightly so, that
 
and given that STL's _Tree implementation changes once in 10 years, it's probably safe to use :-)
 
but what if someone tries to put a drop in replacement for your STL, like OpenSTL
or someone tries to port your code, it could get messy
basically, I'm concerned that doing something like this might result in undefined behavior
 
this codebase has so much dependency on msvc that making sure that STL's implementation is still compatible is going to be the smallest of my problems :)
hehe, this code is full of __declspecs, intrinsic, <windows.h>
but you're right - your point is valid
 
@KarimA It's also not documented at all.
 
4:26 AM
and it's balanced r-b tree, which makes it unusable for my scenario
but it's a good question - is it a good idea to reuse well-tested STL's internals?
 
What the hell happened to VS2012's UI? :(
 
If they were designed for use in user code, they wouldn't be internal.
 
@DomagojPandža they have received many complaints about it, they know.
it will probably be fixed before it is released
 
Yeah, right.
 
4:29 AM
The menu is yelling at me, everything is so metrosexual and the new logo looks like a powerpuff girl eye mask.
Or gay Robin.
 
Robin is heterosexual?
 
Well, I just meant to rectify... The gay-er version of Robin.
"Thanks for your feedback. We are rerouting this issue to the appropriate group within the Visual Studio Product Team for triage and resolution. These specialized experts will follow-up with your issue."
Specialized experts.
Experts.
 
they tag that to pretty much everything that isn't spam
 
The same experts that chose the color scheme, crippled C++11 support, metrosexualized application development, almost made people pay for developing desktop applications and put that purple status bar thingy which works with gray like a blind dog with a cane. It will certainly end well.
 
4:34 AM
What's the purple status bar thingy? I haven't seen that one.
 
to be sure, they're not giving Visual Studio enough love
 
Shades of gray, even more shades of gray, darker gray... Oh, we need some purple now to complement the gay logo.
Just look at the difference between the output window and its border, someone with a lousy screen or perhaps a lousy set of eyes won't be able to tell the damn difference.
 
user457812
I can dig the purple.
 
user457812
Though it looks lousy unless everything else is dark.
 
4:40 AM
Purple is fine, but it doesn't fit in. Visual Studio 2010 was easy on the eyes, even pleasant.
 
hmm... most of the interface colors can be customized you know
they could put some real pizazz there though. DXTransform filters on their foreground and background colors, raster graphics... woo! Tie-dye IDE!
 
Most people don't feel like customizing, but even so, it's not the most prominent problem. I just want the menu to stop shouting at me, and for it to be more diverse and look-at-able out of the box.
 
@endoalir Or they could do actual features, like C++11.
 
Yeah, I wanted to mention C++11, but that ship has already sailed. :(
Here they are, side by side, 2012 vs 2010
 
Woa, so much gray.
It's like, a wall of gray.
"VISUAL STUDIO: CONCRETE WALL EDITION"
6
 
4:45 AM
hahahaha
 
morning everybody
 
good evening
 
The only reason for me to shift to VS2012 was to enjoy more C++11 support. But since they flipped me the finger, I shall do the same for them and stick to VS2010 and its acceptably disappointing C++ compiler. And find comfort in other, more formidable compilers.
'morning!
 
my examination begins in three hours and ten minutes
 
They're going to shove cold stuff in your ass?
 
4:48 AM
I'd prefer that
going to ask me if I memorized the proofs of rotation matrix formulae
 
Gosh.
@DeadMG Answer "yes".
 
lol
honestly, it's kinda embarrassing
 
You can quickly derive them, or kick their asses and stuff quaternions into matrix form. :Đ
 
I mean, if I obtained my degree, then it would basically be lying to my potential future employers that the degree was worth anything
 
at least you don't have to stand up and debate the proofs for an audience in latin
 
4:51 AM
@DomagojPandža Deriving them is not my thing. I expect you could probably express it in terms of polar co-ordinates and shit
and trigonometric identities
 
@DeadMG Protip: don't tell 'em. They probably don't care.
 
but I do.
 
The only thing that matters to them is whether or not you had to balls to go through that.
 
You have the knowledge and you had the balls to go through a shitty institution called higher education.
 
whether or not I was so stupid as to go through that?
 
4:52 AM
That's basically a hire on sight.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Show them the balls!
 
It's all about balls.
 
Cojones.
 
this is an academic institution we're talking about right
 
4:53 AM
@endoalir Supposedly.
 
it sounds like a less reputable type of institution. maybe the type the Visual Studio team attended
 
All institutions have a fake reputation. Academic success stories are based on the stories of people who flipped professors the bird and went their separate ways, all the while proving how wrong many of the professors were in their teaching. And somehow, in the end, it always looks positive for the university.
 
@endoalir Top ten in my country, both overall and for CS.
 
But basically: "<amazing guy> went here".
 
but I'd summarize going through it more as weakness than having balls
 
4:58 AM
So, it's 01:00 here, I'm going to get some shuteye. G'night everyone, and good luck for that ass rape without lube, @DeadMG.
 
True, having balls is more in the domain of saying fuck you and making it regardless.
 
"I'm so pathetic that I paid other people to shit on my face just because some nebulous social pressure said it was the right thing to do"?
3
 
'night, Etienne.
@DeadMG This.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Night, and thanks.
 

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