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9:00 PM
@ManofOneWay Nothing's really changed -- v1 is still declared as the name of a function, not an instance of Variable.
 
Ah sorry
I'm stupid
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Thanks
How come this works? http://ideone.com/LU3HQ
I'm declaring the static member as private, still I can set the value of it.
 
gah, stupid MSVC9. I'm pretty sure unsigned char16_t is indeed a type.
 
Is it some kind of "first time init" since it must be declared outside the struct definition?
 
@ManofOneWay yes
@ManofOneWay If you think about it, it makes sense. If you think more, it stops making sense again.
 
Why are you pink.
 
9:14 PM
He's slowduck, døh.
 
@MooingDuck you can use std::make_unsigned.
 
You know. Some day I want to place a giant QR code as a poster somewhere in a busy city, leading to goatse.
RL trolling.
 
also, char16_t is already guaranteed unsigned
 
Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son of a bitch in space!
 
@JerryCoffin Exemplary code! I hope one day to attain your level of skill in C++. Thank you for that insight into my original problem. Quick question: How long after beginning to study my first language, C++, will I be able to code like that? Ballpark timeframe.
 
9:18 PM
On crack I'd say two days.
 
This code is ugly because of spaces between function name and opening parenthesis.
And braces on new lines. Really, now.
 
@CatPlusPlus i think it's ok code but wrt reuse there is a bug, namely, default constructor doesn't initialize the items-per-line count
 
@JerryCoffin Oh well. I'd ideally like to approach it like so: ideone.com/QJMiF
 
@RadekSlupik Not being on crack, timeframe?
 
A thousand years.
 
9:21 PM
i meant, not default constructor but the first constructor
it does have an argument, sorry
 
@RadekSlupik Dammit!
 
std::shattered_dreams
 
the item_iterator would be nice in the standard library. i think the output_iterator delimiter functionality sucks.
 
std::crack problem solved.
 
@JerryCoffin @DiscreteGenius BTW, that actually works, only it requires boost and therefore ideone doesn't like it
@CheersandhthAlf You know that it is (practically) in Boost Spirit (Karma)
 
9:23 PM
@DiscreteGenius 21 days.
 
@sehe I thought so.
 
@sehe didn't know, thx
 
@CatPlusPlus I guess my question is as retarded as your answers. My bad lol
 
It's really an unanswerable question.
 
Well, not really.
There's an average of everything.
 
9:25 PM
@CheersandhthAlf well, you need to stretch the definition a bit, but you can do stuff like
std::cout << format_delimited(columns(4) [ *auto_ ], my_vector);
 
Average doesn't mean anything if variables are different for every person.
 
The idiots lower that average by a factor twenty.
 
@CheersandhthAlf otherwise, look at boost::adaptors::indexed and use it like I did
 
I can tell you I've learned language X in 1 or 2 days. There's so many factors in that, it's practically impossible to tell if it'll take you 1 or 2 days.
Best estimate for C++ is "few years".
 
@sehe i think maybe you linked to wrong code now?
 
9:27 PM
No variables honestly. If they're proficient C++ programmers the question is: How long did it take you to become proficient in C++? insert amount of time here
 
Maybe less, maybe more.
 
@RadekSlupik and you're gone from mumble...
 
@sehe I know. No need to tell me.
 
About 3 years. But I've already known programming basics, several other languages, didn't use any books, et cetera.
 
9:28 PM
@CheersandhthAlf No, it was supposed to do the same as @JerryCoffin's sample but not using a custom item_iterator
 
I'm busy.
 
As ever :)
 
@sehe oh, then you wrote that earlier, i think? because of the ungood call of toupper. Jerry had that right.
 
Perhaps it'd take me less if I were active on SO earlier, and got to reading the standard earlier, etc.
 
Exactly :)
 
9:29 PM
@CheersandhthAlf I lost the cast. Is that bad?
 
I'm designing.
 
There are variables.
 
And a lot of them.
 
Oh. Let me add it
 
9:29 PM
@DiscreteGenius Polls are bad.
 
OK, but the question is surely answerable, no doubt about that.
 
It ain't.
 
@DeadMG is a genius puppy, so it took him about a year or so.
 
Ain't not!
:)
 
@CheersandhthAlf Is there an explanation for that in your book?
 
9:30 PM
You ain't got no clue.
 
what took me a year or so?
 
@DeadMG breaking SHA-2
 
@sehe yes, on page 42 (and the next page), as it happens
 
C++. I'm guessing, shush.
 
9:30 PM
@sehe lol
 
C++ sucks.
 
@RadekSlupik Logic of your statement says I have a clue.
 
@litb is time traveller from the future, so he knew C++ before it was created.
 
@CheersandhthAlf Reading
 
9:31 PM
@CatPlusPlus I'd put it more of the 18-24month timeline to attain real skill.
 
That was one hell of a clearly valid flag
 
before that I wrote various C-with-classes and COM-style abominations, rolled my own smart pointers duplicating shared_ptr, etc.
 
18-24 months. Is that my ballpark figure to attain proficiency in C++?
 
no
 
How many languages do you know?
 
9:32 PM
Depends on you.
 
most people take much longer
 
How many projects have you done in those languages?
 
In programming, I'm a jack of all trades, master of nothing.
 
How quick do you learn new concepts?
 
for one, as a student who never attended classes, I had virtually infinite time per day to expend
whereas most people don't
 
9:32 PM
How laggy is your paradigm shift?
 
Well enough to get along.
 
It's like asking how old somebody is going to get. It depends on a thousand factors.
 
plus, there's a reason that I'm known as the resident genius.
 
@CatPlusPlus norwegian, english. that's it, really
 
If you want to learn C++, just start learning it, instead of guesstimating how long it might take.
Because it's pointless.
 
9:33 PM
@CatPlusPlus Good point :)
 
I am learning it.
LOL
 
what, nobody contradicted me on saying I'm the resident genius?
 
I can't stop laughing.
 
C+++++++8 DongML > C++
 
Oh, there. I did it.
 
9:34 PM
@DeadMG Nobody would dare! :)
 
You know you've learned C++ when you go and use another language, because C++ sucks too much.
 
@CatPlusPlus FQA guy did that, and he certainly doesn't know C++
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@CatPlusPlus Touché.
 
On that note, Haskell FTW.
 
you know you've learned C++ when you go and invent another language to use, because C++ sucks too much
 
9:35 PM
@DeadMG Lol.
 
Don't forget about Ruby!
 
Ruby is meh.
 
which sucks
 
@DiscreteGenius Well, in C++ if you don't endeavour to get to master, you better not start, because it is too damn tricky, IMO. You'd just be "Jack", no trade :)
 
Wannabe Python. Just use Python.
 
9:36 PM
Never used Python.
 
They say C++ is the industry standard :D
 
@DeadMG of course you're a genius. no ordinary puppy could write in English or, for that matter, log in to SO
 
That's java.
 
@DiscreteGenius Depends on which industry.
 
Ruby is 40% of features stolen from Lisp, 40% from Python and managed to screw them all up in one way or another.
 
9:37 PM
@CheersandhthAlf given enough puppies with enough typewriters and enough time...
 
The cunt suck software industry.
 
is Ruby better than Python, or is it the other way around, Python is better than Ruby?
 
Which list is bigger, the list that includes industry's using C++ or the list that includes industry's not using C++? ;)
 
Both.
 
@awoodland And they'll design Wide D language
 
9:37 PM
@Alf better at what?
 
@RadekSlupik Pssst: you're busy!
 
The one is better at this, the other one is better at that.
 
@RadekSlupik well, you know, like gooder, in general?
 
@sehe I'm busy convincing people that Ruby contains more awesomeness.
 
"Ruby Owns" in the sense that you get owned if you use it. Yes.
 
9:39 PM
@RadekSlupik can you use "on rails" with other language then?
 
Notion of "industry standard" when it comes to languages is so useless I don't even.
 
Ruby on Rails is not Ruby. It's a framework. Or are you looking for Django?
 
@CheersandhthAlf wasn't aware of that, good to know.
 
It's a tool. You get a job, you learn tools that are needed .
 
@CheersandhthAlf PyJamas? Gears? Django?
 
9:39 PM
DJ Ango
 
@CheersandhthAlf Python > Ruby.
 
Ruby on Rails, Sinatra, Padrino > the rest.
 
I really don't find any convincing features in Ruby.
And sillyness like open classes, sigils, no real modules are enough of a deterrent.
 
I like the syntax and idioms, if that's the right word.
 
@RadekSlupik oh, new things! must check
 
9:41 PM
Oh, and no keyword arguments, but a silly workaround in form of passing hashes everywhere.
And manually interned strings a.k.a. symbols.
 
sigils are fucking suck
 
@RadekSlupik Missing 'semantics'
 
Sigils are magical.
 
That's the point. Magic is evil. Not nice
 
@RadekSlupik *ly bullshit, it's a truly divine act that someone was so stupid as to come up with them.
 
9:43 PM
@RadekSlupik one issue i had with PHP framework i tried out was that it didn't really support Unicode. how about the ruby frameworks?
and what would you recommend?
 
@Alf Ruby 1.9 supports Unicode very well.
 
i think i can probably learn ruby in a day or two. took me that long for java (on project)
 
Ruby 1.8 hilariously failed at any Unicode.
 
For simple stuff I recommend Sinatra, for not-simple stuff RoR.
 
Don't bother with RoR.
 
9:44 PM
but then there are those darned big libraries always... can't memorize them. need IDE or something with good help system, is there for Ruby?
 
Ruby has two ways of exception handling and three different kinds of lambdas. xD
 
Python is better anyway.
 
When a book says: "An iterator is a type that lets us examine the elements in a container and navigate from one element to another." When referring to "An iterator is a type..." does that mean its a class type (object), like std::cout is an object of the ostream class?
 
Also Ruby inherited some magic variables from Perl.
 
@Alf RubyMine is said to be good, but I don't use an IDE for ruby.
 
9:45 PM
And that's just...
 
@DiscreteGenius it's used interchangably. for types, objects and values. like, the holy standard does that with "pointer"
 
I use Xcode for developing Mac apps in Ruby, but Xcode sucks at ruby. And yes, it sucks anyway.
 
Then y u use it.
Use vim.
 
Ruby has an ISO standard, IIRC. xD so fucking silly.
@Cat Interface Builder, primarily.
 
Last time I saw Xcode this looked like the worst part of it.
 
9:47 PM
IB rocks.
 
@CheersandhthAlf To clarify, you're saying types, objects and values are names used interchangeably.... In my question, I wanted to know why it called an iterator a "type". Sorry if I don't understand.
 
i meant, you can say "pointer" and depending on context it means a type, an object, or a value. and same for "iterator". as well as "Elephant".
 
Apr 21 at 23:10, by Cat Plus Plus
So that's how the world ends. Not with a bang, but with Ruby as an ISO standard.
 
he he
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ouch, commercial
 
> c:/mingw/bin/../lib/gcc/i686-w64-mingw32/4.7.0/../../../../i686-w64-mingw32/bin/ld.exe: C:\DOCUME~1\tbohne\LOCALS~1\Temp\ccgJKIty.o: bad reloc address 0xb0 in section `.rdata'
 
sbi
9:49 PM
 
put g++ first in your path
i meant, mingw directory
 
For what little it may be worth, I did spend a couple of minutes fixing the obvious problems in the code I posted earlier:
 
> this is why bananas are important food menu items in schools
Lol.
 
@sbi LOL
 
@CheersandhthAlf it looks like it's in the mingw directory to me (though you might know something here I don't)
 
9:51 PM
@JerryCoffin i know i cure, but i don't use it myself: make them data members const. then they must be initialized or compiler complains... :-)
 
I think I'm gonna write some meta proposals for chat.
 
@MooingDuck the position matters. put it first.
may be it helps. but maybe not. i did not look closely at your error message.
 
What do you think: 1. a way to explicitly block users from writing in the room 2. (bigger one) revamp of flagging system, so it notifies room owners instead of entire chat.
 
2 is obviously better
 
@CatPlusPlus And a lower ceiling for the number of flags required
 
9:53 PM
:)
 
I mean I want to do both.
@DeadMG Yes. I was thinking 2 or 3 should be enough in that system.
 
@CatPlusPlus 2 I'd be in favour of if it had a system of "escalation" if they weren't handled after a certain period of time
 
@awoodland been proposed before
 
Well, the idea is that for really bad things, you can always call a mod.
But that's rare.
 
@MooingDuck yeah I upvoted it, can't find the link right now
 
9:55 PM
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Q: Add escalation system to chat flags

Mad ScientistThe offensive and spam flags in chat are shown to every moderator from a parent site (on chat.stackexchange.com that is every SE 2.0 moderator) and 10k chat users as well. This is potentially far more users than a flag on an SE site itself is shown to. I don't think it is necessary to show the ...

 
Usually it's just a spamming local troll.
 
@CatPlusPlus needs to work for small rooms or rooms where everyone is afk or nobody has 10k
 
i forgot to put on music
been sitting for half an hour with headphones around my neck
hm
 
In a room where everyone is AFK, it doesn't disrupt anything.
 
@CatPlusPlus it could be 2 people in some silly slagging match though
 
9:57 PM
How often does that happen?
 
not sure, don't look in the other rooms :)
 
Hi hungry dog.
 
And even if, all the more reason to not bother entire chat with stupid things.
I currently don't give a damn about any flags, because they're annoying as hell.
I just hide the popping up counter with UserCSS.
 
if you made the room gallery mode people would need to be granted access to speak, but anyone could read
 
That's been done before.
 
9:59 PM
That's silly, and that's why I want #1.
Public room with explicit lack of talking for trolls.
 
@awoodland The problem is that we really need a black list, not a white list
 
Gallery is way too disruptive.
 

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