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9:00 AM
ohh @Elyse , I am lucky on that part , still a student have a lot of time will implement those for you and post code for improvement here , once I get a grip of those :)
@R.MartinhoFernandes loll burritos
 
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The point is implementing them myself.
 
Just to be clear
 
LOLLL we know @KhaledAKhunaifer , I checked it 20 min ago when I joined this room :)
 
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I want to implement a concurrent RDBMS. No incredible performance or extensive feature set goals. No ACID guarantees for now either, just in-memory.
 
actually I talked to that guy on reddit , when some days ago he got a reddit hug of death
his blog was on reddit's front page and also /r/internetIsBeautiful/
 
9:03 AM
what is "reddit hug of death" ?
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer Someone posts link on reddit.com -> users visit page -> upvote post -> more users visit page -> server crashes -> users liked the content but hugged it to death.
 
when some site gets more upvotes on reddit , it comes into attention and more users visit the website causing heavy traffic and the site goes down
 
Anyway, my gut reaction to that website is "goddammit it's almost 2016 and we're still not expecting people to have learned how to learn?"
 
@Elyse you could build a virtual table class that read from a file using a window-buffer
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes some people have really learnt it well and are teaching others -> I guess that is the spirit of open source
 
9:06 AM
Ugh
 
But how will people learn how to learn to learn?
 
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ACI guarantees.
 
@Zeta by learning how to learn efficiently , maybe some googling here and there
 
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> True if response == '1' else False
 
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ugh
 
9:07 AM
@Zeta but even if you found a way, then how people can learn to [ learn how to learn to learn ]
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer: It's learning all the way down.
 
Hey guys look at this , I had done this last year in nodejs , do you guys think I will be able to do it in C++ github.com/sourabh2k15/resultscraper
 
@Zeta it's a recursive function, you need a base case
 
@Zeta now I know why learning never ends :)
there is no return in a learning routine :)
 
Maybe it's just me, but I get annoyed by this type of resources way too often when I'm trying to learn a new topic.
Also, the website does practice the monad tutorial fallacy.
 
"Here's what made it click for me: burritos. Have fun!"
 
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what is the monad tutorial fallacy , I missed your point
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer Nah. Doesn't work. If learning leads to a stack overflow, you're either death or at least unconscious.
 
9:11 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Again? *sigh*. Monads sequence stuff. End of tutorial.
 
@SourabReddy thinking that you can transmit "intuition" in a tutorial.
It is usually accompanied by butchering the meaning of the word "intuition"
 
Wasn't there an article about the »"Monad tutorial fallacy" fallacy«?
 
@Zeta that's wrong, but I'll assume it's a joke. Hard to tell.
 
I got it , thanks for this new viewpoint , I was really a fan of such blogs which seem to teach things easily and in a faster way , but now I get it I was a target to monad tutorials
@R.MartinhoFernandes , what is your approach then if you have something new to learn take for example code ? read through docs , google it , build projects of your own , tecah to people ??
 
As I said, intuition is something you have to acquire yourself.
 
9:16 AM
*teach
yeah now I get it intuition sure has to be built up and not acquired from someone
 
Read a description somewhere (whichever is helpful for you; you should get acquainted with what methods work better for you to learn stuff) and practice, practice, practice
 
OK so if I am a noob with some previous programming experience in javascript and I want to get good at datastructures and algorithms , what should be my approach ?
 
Personally, I read dry, boring descriptions end-to-end, even if I don't understand it, wait a week, read them again while taking notes, and do exercises.
But you have to figure out for yourself what works for you.
 
ok got it , I will figure out thanks and also publish it here If I get any good at the things I am trying to learn . But sure one thing is necessary when learning to code , writing lots and lots of code and problem solving
 
@SourabReddy don't write lots and lots of code
solve a problem
then try to solve it with less code
you are done when there is nothing left to remove
 
9:22 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes: Yeah, it was a [joke on reddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/2r2cpe/the_what_are_monads_fallacy/):

> Fortunately, fallacies form a monad, so we can squish all the fallacy layers into a single layer (and generate a fresh fallacy from thin air)
 
@orlp ok thanks for the suggestion . by lots and lots I didn't mean long code , I meant solving lots of problems in the most efficient way .
 
(I suck at chat message formatting)
 
LOL
this just got posted by the ubuntu bot
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@AngryShoe seriously dude LOLL
 
9:30 AM
hello
fyi, donkey pants @AngryShoe
 
I think unless it normally walks on 2-legs, human clothing model doesn't apply
 
Well, pants are for legs, and dogs and donkeys have four legs, not two legs and two arms. They're missing the dexterity of the human/ape shoulder joint.
 
Ew a human and an ape joined at the shoulder? WTF dude
You're sick
 
can we have some tolerance in here?
 
-_0
0_O -___-
 
9:46 AM
@jaggedSpire @Borgleader much floof <3
 
10:06 AM
@TonyTheLion "Oh? Oh really? Well YOU'RE GONNA GET LICKED AND YOU'RE GONNA LIKE IT."
5
 
10:21 AM
 
@orlp /cc @R.MartinhoFernandes
 
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> rm **/*'~'
 
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deleting Vim legacy
 
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or Emacs
 
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dunno
 
10:31 AM
@Elyse that looks dangerous
 
Hah
My scissors are around four inches, but my toothpaste tube is full-size.
 
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A: Levenshtein Distance

Khaled A KhunaiferC, 192 bytes #define m(x,y) (x>y?x:y) #define r(x,y) l(s,ls-x,t,lt-y) int l(char*s,int ls,char*t,int lt){if(!ls)return lt;if(!lt)return ls;a=r(1,1);if(s[ls]==t[ls])return a;return m(m(r(0,1),r(1,0)),a)+1;} --------- Detailed #include <stdio.h> #define m(x,y) (x>y?x:y) #define f(x) char x[128...

 
I wonder if there is a way I can make that less readable
 
There's a store nearby that is now selling fireworks.
 
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10:36 AM
@orlp why?
 
They put signs on every illumination pole with arrows pointing towards it for at least two blocks.
 
@Elyse rm wildcards always make me nervous
 
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Protip: s/rm/echo/ to preview changes.
 
But that's not the end of it.
 
I'm not saying it is dangerous, just that it looks dangerous :)
 
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10:36 AM
I also do this with SQL.
 
It's just signs saying "fireworks" and an arrow.
 
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s/DELETE/SELECT */
 
And then the store... The windows have the word "fireworks" written on it some fifty times.
No exaggeration.
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
@Elyse race condition
 
10:37 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes is this your first new year in germany (no, right?)
 
hurr
 
The whole façade of the store is completely covered with signs saying fireworks.
 
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I work literally next to a fireworks selling point.
 
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Lots of people.
 
And then four banners saying fireworks above it.
Jesus fuck, I GET IT, you sell fireworks. Ffs
 
10:38 AM
@orlp if your shell activity depends on that then either you need to fix the pattern or organize your files better :)
@R.MartinhoFernandes Imagine how their materials shed looks
 
@sehe it's not, but I have never seen such aggressive marketing.
 
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@orlp SET TRANSACTION ISOLATION LEVEL SERIAL, problem solved. :)
 
Wait. There's also a pole with a flag that says "fireworks"
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh. It's what I've come to expect i.r.t. fireworks. Imagining it is much the same in the NL (where there's only ~72 hours of legal sales, AFAIK)
 
Fucking nutters.
 
10:40 AM
Nah. Money talks. It's a very big money grab
@Elyse SERIALIZABLE
 
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Yes. :P
 
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I was wrong.
 
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I think it should be SERIALIZED. SERIALIZABLE makes little sense.
 
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Yes, it's always serialisable.
 
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The guarantees of SERIALIZABLE are a superset of the others'.
 
10:55 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes pls take a pic
 
Later when I'm back, sure
 
fuck
 
Later as well
 
the new guy committed everything right on the master branch, with identity "unknown <[his id]@[his machine ip]>"
 
> Your order of 2x "501 Hebrew Verbs" has been sent
Oops, I think I clicked too many times.
 
11:06 AM
@Mr.kbok Isn't your master protected against commits?
 
~Enterprise~
 
Sometimes Git bash is so slow that it's faster to open explorer.exe to navigate to where I want.
 
@Morwenn Why do you even close git-bash then?
 
And I don't even have an SSD.
 
Or is the actual evaluation in git-bash slow?
 
11:10 AM
No idea, but it sometimes takes up to 15 seconds to perform a cd.
 
I use git bash all the time at both work and home and I have not experienced any such slowdowns
 
More than half of the time it's perfectly fine, but sometimes it's slow for no reason and I already experienced the problem with my old laptop.
 
Ven
Yo lounge
 
Oh! Ven!
 
Never had problem with it either. I only experienced slow starts in PS and git-bash, but nowadays I simply start ConEmu with PS, git-bash and CMD and just minimize it.
 
Ven
11:21 AM
hi @Morwenn \o/
 
you know what I don't like about writing a paper?
I often use figures/code blocks
and I always try to structure such that the figure doesn't get split up by page breaks
or that the sentence introducing it doesn't get split up either
 
> an
 
> hero
 
Do you have an Solo, though?
 
@AngryShoe SSD starts with the sound ɛs (does it?), so I assumed than I could use « an » for the liaison.
 
11:32 AM
You're correct
Not just can, but must.
 
Ven
Really? Can I read up on the rule somewhere? I've always been told by my english teachers that I was to use "a" before any abbrev
 
The rule is simple: if a vowel sound follows, it's "an", otherwise it's "a"
 
@Morwenn absolutely cprrect
 
No exceptions AFAIK
 
11:34 AM
Error codes instead?
 
none that i know of either
 
@sehe well done
 
but it can get tricky when you have words with divergent pronunciations
 
thank you sir
 
@Puppy Example?
 
11:35 AM
If you pronounce SSD as most people do, by spelling out the letters, it's unequivocally "an".
 
e.g. words that started with h used to have the h being silent
 
Other way around. both ways, actually
 
I don't know of any words starting with h that currently have a silent h.
 
"Hour" is my textbook example for that :p
Didn't actually change, though.
 
yeah, that's a good point.
but now it's the exception rather than the rule ;p
I think.
 
11:38 AM
I think there's a few more but yeah, exceptions.
 
there's lots of words I know of like hotel and hypothesis that are no longer leading-silent
 
The ones of Germanic origin were never silent, while the ones of French origin were originally silent and a few exceptions survived silent ("hour" being one)
"Hospital" is one that changed.
 
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In fact, if you implement only SERIALIZABLE, you don't have to implement any of the other isolation levels to be conformant.
 
While in "house" it was never silent.
 
I'm not sure about that
my vague memory seems to include a few uses of silent
 
11:41 AM
Maybe localised regional variations? "House" comes from the same root as the German "Haus".
 
could be
it would be far from the only time that some people have extrapolated rules too far
 
Tell me about. I live in the place where Germans talk about "werbs" and "wariations".
 
lol
 
11:53 AM
Also worthy of note that the W in "vowel" stands for a vowel sound but the on in "wit" stands for a consonant sound. Similar with Y: "party" -> vowel, "you" -> consonant.
I din't think there's any initial W or Y that is a vowel, though.
"Ypres" doesn't count, I guess
 
funny, I literally just came up with exactly that example
 
12:11 PM
@Columbo well, if it bothers you and the other version has no other downsides, I'd take a functional system over NEW ALL THE THINGS any day :p
In other news: I'm actually getting Spirit
I've got a bunch of LaTeX commands recognized
(as in: not converted to any special AST-like form)
 
@ThePhD Directly as an image.
@Puppy "honest"!
I knew there were more.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes HighchartsJS was the best you could find in that case? ;;
 
@sehe Yes, it occurs with the moon as well.
@ThePhD It was the first one that was minimally satisfactory.
@sehe Also lol, back then I misidentified it. It's not a parhelic circle.
It's a 22° halo.
A parhelic circle is horizontal, parallel to the ground.
 
@Morwenn we have long running projects with their separate master branches
 
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12:23 PM
@Mr.kbok fucking noobs
 
@Elyse everything he does is like this
he commits commented code
 
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beat him with his own bone
 
his own?
 
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yes
 
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remove a bone from his leg and beat him with it
 
12:27 PM
good idea
 
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no, it's fucking sick
 
ah
you tell me
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I've seen pictures of "rainbows" in that form
@R.MartinhoFernandes That was exactly it :) It was a nice Christmas Eve sky
 
@sehe I think it's possible depending on the size and number of the crystals, maybe.
 
I think it was NASA's APOD.. lemme find
 
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12:32 PM
NPO daemon
 
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neo-communistische propagandaomroep
 
Is "propagandaomroep" an actual word?
 
omg so pretty!
 
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yes
 
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12:34 PM
it's composed of two words
 
@Š½Š°Š±ŠøячŠ»ŃŠ²ŃŠ»Šøь Grope-a-panda bro
 
@sehe Yeah, that's a 22° halo and a parhelic circle.
 
Ah. Two separate phenomena then. That's what you get for only briefly viewing the description on your phone
 
are there any clang 3.7 prebuilt binaries for windows available?
I don't want built it, since I don't have msvs now , and I'm using codeblock
 
12:40 PM
@Š½Š°Š±ŠøячŠ»ŃŠ²ŃŠ»Šøь where do I get it sir?
 
You can give the ones from MSYS2 a try
 
ohh not again :(
 
They were crashing as all hell for me, but I'm on Win10
@AngelusMortis Whatwhy
MSYS2 is p. great
 
@sehe I once spent an afternoon trapped reading about halos :D
 
12:43 PM
Wanna C some 'awesome' panoramic picture :p
 
@Š½Š°Š±ŠøячŠ»ŃŠ²ŃŠ»Šøь Thanks you, seems easy to make one :) -> stackoverflow.com/questions/32239122/…
 
Please don't laugh coz I am kind of shy :'(
 
@Telkitty haha
 
Binning this
 
@Š½Š°Š±ŠøячŠ»ŃŠ²ŃŠ»Šøь it's a conjunction between two proper words, so in effect, yes.
 
12:48 PM
Jesus christ is this an offspawn of some Germanic dialects
 
It's Dutch
well, the first is a foreign word (propaganda), the other is "omroep" (broadcast or broadcast station)
 
Run as far away as you can
It's german
 
Huh?
 
meh, took this half an year ago (damn it has taken so long to build this house ...)
 
anybody in openGL stuff here ?
 
@Telkitty we've seen it. Just from a more flattering angle (w.r.t neighbours)
 
@SourabReddy @ElimGarak, you can find him here
 
pay attention to the car on the road :p
 
@Š½Š°Š±ŠøячŠ»ŃŠ²ŃŠ»Šøь that's heinous
 
:')
 
I assumed it was one of those rikshjah inspired tricycle things
 
@sehe I'm getting the hang of Spirit X3, I think. At least the recognizing constructs part, haven't even tried any AST generation or doing more with attributes and contexts.
Still zippy to compile :)
 
it's the magic of panoramic pictures :D
 
12:54 PM
Woot woot, finally got a stickerless Skewb.
 
Robot is gonna be entertained NY's eve
 
@melak47 google street view eh
 
> IMHO, trait<T> specializations should be provided by the library that defines the type T. Your library is promoting that some 3pp libraries do the trait<T> specialization and so it is promoting ODR violation.

Note that I'm not saying that your library is not useful in certain contexts (as it was TBoost.Conversion), just that the user of the library must be aware of this problem.
Interesting points in API design being made on the boost mailing list
 
I just had a call with customer support
 
@BartekBanachewicz Nope. Scroll up (but be gentle, she's shy)
 
12:56 PM
man are those people persistent
 
I also acquired six competition cubes for half the price I paid for one last time. Sometimes eBay is pretty neat.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Hah. Me too.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what do you do with 6 of them?
 
@sehe And my team lead is on vacation so I'm essentially the face of dev team now.
 
@sehe Not sure if relevant, but most std traits cannot be specialized.
 
12:57 PM
I could see you maybe solving two at once :D
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh poor sod.
 
@BartekBanachewicz RIP - both ways
 
I think about it as a 4-day promotion to comfort myself
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Relevant. It's more about traits that are customization points
 
@melak47 Well, backups.
 
12:58 PM
@melak47 One per limb + 2 backups
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes do they not last very long? :S
 
yay, GCC 5.3 has materialized on msys2
 
@melak47 So did Boost 1.60.0!
 
eh, boost is easy enough to build :)
 
1:00 PM
@melak47 I broke two 2x2x2s from use, and had one pop on the street and a car ran over a piece; broke three 3x3x3s and had one other pop on the train station and a piece fell on the tracks as the train came.
 
:S
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes sue the drivers
 
I have a bag full of spare parts now :D
Sadly I've had cubes from many different makes so they're not really compatible with each other.
These six are all the same.
 
build a frankencube out of the spare parts
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes glCube?
@melak47 no windows plz
 
1:14 PM
@Dean you don't have to use it on windows :p (but now you can)
 
@Dean That'll get dark
 
I'm porting MFC to a header-only C++14 library
5
I'm sure I'll get rich soon
 
@Dean HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
@Dean lmao
CString anyone
 
I was watching the end of this very nice documentary/monologue about life and religion. But I found the time to star that in no time
 
1:15 PM
@BartekBanachewicz searching that with google disturbs me
 
@sehe link please ?
 
Ven
MFC? MyFreeCams?
 
It was so long, even for me it was getting too late. So I went to bed around 4:30am
Conveniently, the show is cut into ~5 larger sections. So you can easily watch in parts
 
1:31 PM
@Dean why
 
Because troll time
 
I'm back to working on my Direct2D game
I have a hard time deciding on what I consider are details
 
@Mr.kbok const correctness is essential
all the rest is secondary
nb. total const correctness
 
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just called a customer and with my extraordinary social skills I started the conversation with "hi, with me"
 
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lol
 
1:35 PM
@Dean I typically consider it at best optional.
 
@sehe omg, she's a libra too, just like me <3
 
darn, I used too many abstractions and now I have problems understanding what's going on when parsing a text file
time to simplify this
#ifdef UNIT_TESTS
   public:
#endif
eheh, this will be my little secret
I'm so smart and cunning
 
you're going to violate ABI with that
 
@Puppy could that be the reason why we've been getting linking errors for 4 days?
i.e. since I committed this stuff
 
nah
 
1:45 PM
ah cool.
 
you'd get silent runtime memory corruption
 
oh f...
 
might be linking errors with microsoft ABI, not sure
 
So I have 3-ish projects that would be worth working on for this graduate seminar course...
 
@ThePhD link
 
1:49 PM
sup lounge
 
1. Graphing/Charting Library for C++ that Does Not Suckā„¢
2. HLSL -> SPIR-V, SPIR-V -> HLSL compiler
3. `sol` library optimization
I mean't think of anymore projects. I might propose 4. Make a vidya gaem, but I doubt the class would go for that
#1 seems most likely
#2, less so, #3 maybe.
> Software engineering perspectives on software quality, reliability, security and/or privacy would fit.
So I guess #1 and #3 count.
 
> Students should choose topics concerned with software development, maintenance and operation best practices, methodologies, technologies, techniques, tools, IDEs, frameworks, application stacks, etc. The projects might build something new, evaluate existing capabilities, and/or perform user studies.
 
@JohanLarsson that's missing an extension to the middle finger
 
> application stacks
> frameworks
Yaaay.
 

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