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9:00 PM
@Mysticial what is a chain in this context?
 
_mm256_mul_epu32
All but one of the integer vector multiplies are 5 cycle latency. But can go into either port 0 or 1.
 
you mean 10 separate invocations that do not lie on the critical path (e.g. parallel)?
 
Which means the throughput should be 2/cycle if you have 10 independent chains.
I'm getting something like 1.73. But that's probably because I haven't sufficiently unrolled the loop.
Agner Fog is reporting 1.0.
I just got 1.79 with 30x unroll. (10 independent chains unrolled 3x)
 
@Mysticial but did I understand chain correctly?
 
@orlp yes
 
9:03 PM
ok
back when I was doing SIMD stuff for crypto
doing 3 blocks at the same time (3 chains) was the most throughput
 
Yeah, Intel processors have historically had a thing for 3 for some reason.
I'd much prefer 2 or 4.
There's also an unconfirmed bug/errata with the Skylake i7s which might be related to 3x power-of-two strides in data.
Prime95 under certain conditions is unconditionally failing on Skylake i7s regardless of clock speed, memory, motherboard, etc...
But it doesn't fail on Haswell or Sandy Bridge.
 
@Mysticial what consists of a 'fail' here?
 
Freeze, or incorrect computation.
I'm tempted to see if I can repro it on my laptop.
^^ When I saw that thing, I told my dad immediately since he trades this stuff.
But I don't think it will have a huge impact. At least not like the Sandy Bridge chipset bug.
 
@Mysticial damn
 
9:13 PM
It only happens with Hyperthreading. And only with one specific prime95 FFT size.
And that size involves 3x strided memory access. lol
 
@JerryCoffin I know you don't want spoilers
but I do have to say
luke kills dumbledore
 
@ElimGarak This is so wrong, I love it.
@orlp Snaep licks Bumbleboar
 
@orlp personally, I don't care much. I posted and pinned it upon request.
 
hmm
how do I make git pull submodule content?
 
@orlp Really? I thought he killed Gandalf!
 
9:26 PM
ah gotta --init
 
@Mysticial 3 is the magic number
 
@ElimGarak SCREENIE :(?
 
I fucking hate these spiders D:
 
the ones in the garden?
you can run away from them
I did
I think
I had to fight the final boss at 4 in the morning with work the same day
but I wanted to see the end of the story
so I decreased the difficulty to "just the story" from blood + broken bones for that
 
@AlexM. the ones in the "painting"
 
9:35 PM
@Puppy git pull origin master
 
im low health when the game spawns a ton of em
 
@Borgleader yes you can run away from them
use signs also
 
@набиячлэвэлиь None of those commands have any effect if you don't git submodule update --init first- the submodule hasn't been initialized as a git repository, so it can't be pulled.
 
@Puppy I interpreted it as you wanting to git pull from the remote while having the submodule initialized (to update it).
 
no, the problem is that I didn't know that you had to explicitly init them - I would have expected them to be initialized when you clone to start with.
 
9:39 PM
@Puppy They are if you git clone --recursive
 
yeah, but it's not obvious that that's not the default
 
paid cheats lol
 
@AlexM. a new low
yay!
@AlexM. for some of those you literally paying to get less content
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
Best Minecraft texture ever.
 
9:47 PM
is that a gold/blue dress?
 
user1804599
blue
 
@AlexM. laffo
Developers get them deducted from their salary if they need them for debugging
#moderngamedev
 
Xeo
@jaggedSpire @Borgleader @TonyTheLion @user3886129 @ThePhD i.imgur.com/luRni3z.gifv (I forgot someone, didn't I?)
 
Living plush.
 
@Xeo d'awwww <3 <3
 
10:00 PM
@Xeo Hes holding on to dear life :O
 
user1804599
@Xeo You forgot Nooble.
 
Also evening :D <3
 
@Xeo /cc @jaggedSpire @ThePhD i think
 
user1804599
Why are you so happy, Tony?
 
Xeo
kay
 
10:01 PM
@Elyse because I have no reason not to be.
 
@TonyTheLion ♥ ♥ ♥
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion YAY
 
LEWD: Library Evolution Working Department
 
@jaggedSpire awwwww :)
 
10:03 PM
@AlexM. For some reason, I find that more sad than funny.
 
@Xeo Beer
 
I used to listen to this a lot ages ago and now I started again
so good
lol it was 10 years ago
 
well
just noticed that Rapptz filed an issue complaining that his library rejected being asked at runtime if a JSON value was a type that it could never be.
which he "fixed" by just always returning false.
whereas I just made a pull request fixing it to be a compiler error instead of a runtime failure
 
so you saved the day?
 
Puppy-Man
wait no, Powerpuff Puppy
 
10:09 PM
puffy
 
@JohanLarsson Yep, I fixed it so that you can't ask questions that don't make sense.
 
looool
this was totally me before moving out to the big city
now I had so much mcdonald's that I kind of feel like vomiting thinking of it
 
@Puppy nice, link? Not that I will understand much.
 
even after being almost 2 weeks away
 
blech
apparently there's no git command for removing a submodule so you have to manually hack around it
 
10:17 PM
Lel
 
I think I have corrupted my repo
need to re-clone or something
can't get git to forget about a submodule I don't want
 
When I was a noob I used to delete my git repo and copy everything over to a new one every time I had problems
 
isn't that the standard way to work with git?
 
Well yeah
 
user559633
if the repo is small and you're within your data limits, yes
 
10:21 PM
@nick That's how you use them.
Weirdo.
 
Having a full version history is for scrubs
 
@Puppy git submodule deinit, git rm
 
user559633
--depth 1 for good measure on the clone
 
too late for that ;p git submodule deinit says the submodule doesn't exist, but I still can't add a new submodule at that location because there's a submodule there.
 
user1804599
submodules are terrible
 
10:22 PM
Then git rm
 
said it doesn't exist
 
user559633
just ask someone sitting near you to burn it onto a cd for you
 
Delete it
inb4 already tried that you ass-cactus
 
user1804599
ass-cactus*
 
@Puppy The submodule?
Oh man I had these problems before.
 
10:24 PM
> I'm an American, I don't think it's teasing. I bought a gun from a vending machine this morning because I needed to open mail
Well. Frakkin. Played. imgur.com/gallery/ffqdYJ1
 
You have to do some fuckery with your .git.
I forgot how though.
 
@nick having a bad day?
@Puppy edit .gitmodules and .git/config. Or so. And sin no more
 
Nope
 
I did edit both of them ;p
that's really when the problems started
 
Today actually happens to be the first day of the rest of my life
I'm excited
 
10:25 PM
@Puppy Then git add -A should be fine
@Puppy so revert and repent :)
 
I actually did try that
 
(the original is good too)
 
but reverting and repenting didn't really fix matters
 
@Puppy Try it again, with feeling
 
user1804599
 
that's why I'm going to clone the repo and then use that clone.
 
Lol
 
fucking Windows, which other program has this folder open?
 
user1804599
Imagine having to clean up glass and change a lightbulb every day.
 
@nick actually I think only the original has the full verse :<
w/e
 
10:30 PM
problem solved.
@sehe On a related note, why is adding/removing and init/deinit separate steps?
 
@Puppy Are you using this to bypass macro weirdness?
 
@набиячлэвэлиь I'm using it because you can't output nullptr in Windows, and adding an operator<< overload only made things worse.
 
@Puppy because git submodules suck. There is no high level interface to them
 
that works for me.
 
Every abstraction used leaks more than your mom on drugs.
 
10:32 PM
@Puppy I mean, the COMMA macro
 
ah
yes.
 
aaaaaaaaaaa
I want it now :<
 
@Puppy eh. Was it the git add -A? So, just needed to "stage" the deletion, that was done outside the git submodule interface then? Meanwhile, I stashed this read for later, you might like it:
> git subtree - a better alternative to git submodule alistra.ghost.io/2014/11/30/…
 
february is too far away
 
@sehe No, I deleted the repository and cloned from github instead.
 
10:35 PM
Nuclear option
 
like a pro
 
it worked, that shit got nuked
 
@ElimGarak hey
look at the bright side
 
ayyyy
 
10:37 PM
if he did get a PS4
actually it doesn't sound so funny anymore
nvm
 
The PSN is still broken anyways
He got wood and it has a dick on it. That's more than most.
 
Dick PS4-Sizedwood
the new humorous Zelda-like adventure
 
Nice wood crafting, tho
 
@Xeo I... I GUESS it's cute.
 
@ElimGarak also
kotaku ewwww
what are you going to show us next
arse technica?
 
10:39 PM
@Xeo that's damn adorable, that is.
 
slushdot?
 
user1804599
@sehe Nuclear proton
 
@ElimGarak What really surprises me is that the retail location took it back.
 
Oh yeah.
 
@Borgleader I believe the full list for Red Panda posts is: Borgleader ElimGarak jaggedSpire ThePhD TonyTheLion Xeo WGhost набиячлэвэлиь
 
10:41 PM
I mean, just buy a PS4, open the box, put the wood in and draw the dick, "return" it, and then get a new one, sell new PS4 on Ebay, free ps4.
 
it does look abnormal
I'd accept it too
it's in the "you can't make this shit up" category
and you can spot an honest mad parent quickly
puppy do you even people
 
@AlexM. Just say you bought it for yourself.
 
they also most likely have serial numbers of returns registered
I doubt it came of the factory like that
so they knew it was a return
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes When you went looking for charting / graphing libraries for C++, were you specifically looking for ones that output to HTML or ones that output to an image file as well? I'm asking because I might make a C++-user friendly graphing/charting lib for my seminar course if the landscape you looked over seemed dry.
 
@AlexM. Is there a good site that is not { IGN, Gamespot, RPS, Kotaku, Polygon }?
 
10:43 PM
@Puppy I don't think you can mimic the same thing
try ruining someone dear's christmas
and see later on if you can find a way to mimic the feeling on the outside
@ElimGarak I don't know I'm just joining the anti-kotaku hype
I read anything from anywhere
 
@ElimGarak I don't trust or like IGN or Gamespot
 
srsly though
I don't know if it's common for stores to mark returns
so that customers see them
 
user1804599
IGN is great.
 
I would not like to buy a returned item
resealed or whatever
poor kid tho
it's now crystal clear to him that santa doesn't exist
one of the best parts of my childhood imo is that my parents managed to keep me believing in santa until very late
 
@Puppy Same, I dislike them all, hence the list to help against "wrong answers" or stuff I am already on like RPS. I was hoping there was some great "underdog site".
Sterling maybe, I trust him because he's fat.
 
10:50 PM
RPS is recommended by a mate I trust when it comes to games
and seriously RPS comments all praise underrail
it's obvious that it's a place for oldskewl gamers who know their stuff
IGN I don't follow but from what I've read they're console-centric
to the point of skewing comparisons in their advantage
 
They're also pretty shit and less International Gaming Network with every passing day.
 
overall tho
I think the best source of information for me is
 
I like GS for The Point only
 
the user reviews section on steam
 
Also, publishers advertising on game review sites seems so wrong :D
 
10:52 PM
because I immediately find out things like: whether or not the developers believe our eyes cannot see past 24 fps, whether or not the developers believe our eyes cannot see past 7 hours of playtime, whether or not the developers believe our eyes cannot see past 1000 bugs per square meter
 
I also follow TotalBiscuit's videos
 
I so hope he doesn't die :(
 
the guy's tastes frequently overlap with mine
I also like AngryJoe but only for his funny videos
I like the intros for bad games he looked forward to
"They fucked it up."
hahaa
 
user1804599
10:55 PM
> dollemansrit
 
Just noticed AngryJoe is related to AngelinaJolie
 
user1804599
lijkt wel een woord verzonnen door een Vlaming
 
haha best
 
@sehe One of the best lyrics writer of all times in Sweden was dutch
 
10:56 PM
I would never have known
Sounds like Frysian to me :)
 
What did VW guy do?
 
Can't you tell? He was stoned and had psychotic episode
He's very lucky not to have killed at least 6 innocent bystanders IYAM
 
if you are me
 
I noticed that he was not keen on stopping nor leaving his vw
 
hehe
 
user1804599
11:06 PM
He's now enjoying a lifetime welfare.
 
TIL about F# type providers
 
@Elyse will you stop that nonsense
(I actually haven't heard about any subsequent trial/punishment)
 
user1804599
I'm just kidding.
 
SBT is so slow
 
@CatPlusPlus Well it is called Slow Build Tool :)
 
11:13 PM
this is pretty cool
type Questions = JsonProvider<"""https://api.stackexchange.com/2.2/questions?
site=stackoverflow""">

let csQuestions = """https://api.stackexchange.com/2.2/questions?site=stackoverflow&
tagged=C%23"""

Questions.Load(csQuestions).Items
|> Seq.iter (fun q -> printfn "%s" q.Title)
the F# type provider thingies
use the JSON provided by the result of the query
to build actual types for the objects denoted by them
so they eliminate the need for you to write them and the conversion logic yourself
that above results in a sequence of question titles taken from the results
 
yeah that is nice
they say type providers slows down compilation a lot though
can't you do:
nvm
 
@AlexM. Er, but you can't execute the query until runtime.
 
c# has nicer lambdas than f# imo
 
@Puppy pretty sure it's done at compile-time
 
@AlexM. That's not "cool", that's crazy.
 
11:18 PM
depends on the use case
 
you're assuming that the output of the request is constant, rather than variable.
 
It'd be better to have schemas locally
 
this is for easing your work at gathering and organizing data for machine learning projects
at least this particular use case
 
and you'd be also assuming that your server is still up.
if you're tinkering with your app, and then trying to compile changes, how the fuck can you issue a compilation-time request to a server that doesn't compile because you're making changes?
 
Downloadable code dependencies can make code brittle, and these things are not in versioned repos etc, even worse
@Puppy Uh, you're not downloading them from yourself, it's for external services
 
11:20 PM
also you can give it your own json :A
 
gonna agree with the Cat here, that's capital-C Crazy
 
so you don't call the server every time
 
Doing this with local schemas is just plain old service stub codegen
 
it's really just "here is how my json looks, create some types for it so I don't deal with the boilerplate"
it doesn't have to come from a server
in this example it came because it was easier for the readers to work with it
 
eh
I don't really see how that's any different from "Here's my types, create some JSON for it"
you're still generating one from the other.
 
11:21 PM
It's for conforming to external schema
 
I don't think the xml provider supports schemas yet
 
the main problem I think is still what happens if the result doesn't always contain all the same members?
 
@Puppy the other way around you have to work more
 
like I dunno, some questions have a previous version, and some questions don't.
 
Schema should have this marked as optional
Codegen will emit option type
 
11:23 PM
sure, but if you just make a random request to /questions, that's not a schema.
 
> Try clicking on Item in the drop-down menu that shows up once IntelliSense kicks in; you should see that it exposes a bunch of Properties, such as member AcceptedAnswerId:Option<int>
 
Oh, looks like a mod purged the misleading 500+ upvote comment on my top answer. Duty Calls.
 
that's Optional<int> not sure if it's because it's marked in the json as optional
 
The first URL is for schema
Well, should be
 
my guess is that a particular thing exists in one case and doesn't in another it's auto-generated as an option type
compile error would also be ok
 
11:24 PM
@AlexM. OK, but how the fuck does the compiler know it does or doesn't exist in various cases?
you've only told it to make a request and look at the result.
 
it uses whatever it can find in the result?
 
It's kinda silly to use actual data to generate the types yeah
 
@AlexM. The result of one request at one specific time. That's not representative of all the possible results from making that request, even just making it at different times, let alone passing in different parameters.
 
... ok, that's clearly a case of the developer misjudging the possible inputs
how's that a counter argument to this?
 
no, it's a case of this feature being fucking stupid and flawed in fundamental concept.
 
11:26 PM
Not really
 
lol
it's your fault if you misuse it lol
 
It's just a bad example
 
if you know exactly what's going to be in there, it's ok
if not, it's your fault
 
It's your mom's fault.
Okay what did I walk into?
 
puppy's mom has alibi
 
11:27 PM
how do you defend against data structure that may change over time with your own hand-written types for the json contained objects?
don't you need to recompile to add support for the new json objects/properties for existing?
 
yes.
the difference is that if I ask the API author what he returns, it only breaks when he changes versions.
 
same thing happens here, the data your program needs to work with changed, use the provider again with updated data to generate new types
 
it doesn't break randomly because today there was an edited question in the queue.
I know what it can return for all inputs at all times, until the code underlying the service changes.
 
I thought we gave up the idea that you do actual queries for this
you can save a local json and use that
 
that's.. not meaningfully different to saving a local type and using that.
 
11:29 PM
I need to restart the computer to boot OS X and I can't bring myself to do it.
 
@Mysticial deffo no bar
 
@Puppy it takes less time
 
@Puppy boilerplate as clsoe to zero as you can get
still typed
 
@JohanLarsson In this case, the local JSON is the boilerplate- it's not less boilerplate.
 
you don't waste tiiiime
 
11:31 PM
but you're still faced with the fact that it may not be possible to represent all outputs from the server with a single blob of JSON
like I dunno, a property that can be a string or a number or an object.
 
that's a problem you encounter whatever you do
 
@Mysticial It's a buty call
 
there's no time wasted in actually specifying the thing that you are receiving.
 
fine
 
@Puppy +1
 
11:32 PM
we'll leave it at that
 
butts
Codegen with local schema is fine, using remote ones is pushing it, using data as schema will break sooner or later and probably sooner
 
snackchat such good codez
 
is there an agreed upon schema format for json?
 
@JohanLarsson HALT AND CATCH FIRE
 
11:38 PM
@JohanLarsson something with {} and some strings in between.
 
@JohanLarsson {"value": "<<Base64 memdump>>"}
 
[{"codepoint": ...}, {"codepoint": ...}, ...]
For every codepoint
obviously
 
And send it as HTML decimal escape codes only
 
11:55 PM
TIL this is legal in F#
> let <double backticks>my identifier<double backticks> = 5
how do I output backticks in markdown
 
``myid``
 
Tick 'em off from the back
 
by backslash-escaping
 
> ``test``
yay thx
it can come in handy in unit tests I guess, you can write things like
> let ``Using invalid URL should throw exception`` =
 
which is nice
 
11:57 PM
ye
 
This is so bad it's believable
 

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