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11:00 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes My ex-step-son got a Rubik's cube for Christmas. He asked me to solve it because he jumbled it right when he got it out of its wrapping. My first thought was I need Robot to do it. :D
 
It was like, plush/plastique or such.
 
I need to go to a competition to officialize my improvements with the 2x2.
 
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@milleniumbug This happens because the database library we use turns everything into a string, and the string representation for false in PostgreSQL is "f".
 
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fuck CodeIngiter
 
11:08 AM
Oh man I forgot One Punch Man finished airing last week.
I want a new ep :(
 
@wilx send it to me and I'll send it back solved for 5€
 
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I asked on Stack Overflow if there was a way to disable that behavior and due to the incompetency of 99% of I got downvotes and comments "why would you want that"
 
badlets
 
Poor, poor elyse.
 
there's a reason I ignore
 
11:11 AM
I wanna build something on the web at some point.
 
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Funfact: nothing is more annoying than people who perceive your non-XY problem as an XY problem.
 
It's the only technology area I have avoided.
 
Dec 29 '14 at 3:53, by chmod 711 telkitty
Am I the only who thinks Dec 25 - 1 Jan is the most disaster prone period during the whole year?
I was kind of wondering that why nothing has happened, then ...
 
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@ThePhD RIP
 
11:13 AM
@Elyse Is the web really so bad?
 
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The part that happens in the browser is beyond FUBAR.
 
;; So most of the experience, then?
 
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The part that happens on the server is in many cases FUBAR, but sometimes manageable.
 
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You need to know what untechnologies to avoid.
 
Do I get a hand-crafted, Elyse-approved list?
 
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11:15 AM
Typically they are advertised as "easy" and have so-called quick start guides.
 
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But it's nothing but a trap.
 
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You indeed start quickly, but when you reached the point of no return (vendor lock-in), things get hairy and complicated.
 
@LucDanton very
 
@Elyse I'll be sure to avoid those, then.
As a quick question, is it appropriate to write server bits in, say, C# or C++?
 
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Depends on the application.
 
11:20 AM
For things that go to someone's browser in the end, that is.
 
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I wouldn't want to handle HTML trees in C++.
 
That's typical of most things that are sold as "easy". They make the simple tasks simple (lol) and the complex tasks impossible.
 
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I also wouldn't want to handle HTML text as text, because that's too easy to make mistakes. I regret every project in which we use a text-based template engine for HTML.
 
@Elyse The best part is that only one answer even tries to answer the question
 
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Which is all of them, frankly.
 
Stackoverflow server is partially written in C# .net IRC, I have also coded server in C++ before so why not?
 
Only ten times slower than the world record!
 
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I had fun recently with React and JSON.
 
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Server doesn't do any HTML.
 
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Which also means the browser stuff is easier to outsource to India.
 
11:23 AM
@ThePhD Telkitty wrote servers in C++. Enough said :p
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :D
 
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Writing servers in C++ is a pain due to the lack of good I/O and concurrency libraries.
 
Feels awesome when you fuck up a solve halfway through, fix it, and still do better than your official personal best.
 
Wow, people seem really passionate in the C++ Future Proposals forum about the order of evaluation. Already ~150 messages.
 
It's a polarizing topic, I guess
 
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11:31 AM
Just leave it implementation-defined.
 
It looks like a performance vs. correctness topic.
Had evaluation order been fixed right from the start, nobody would complain.
 
Like most polarising topics in C++ :p
 
I love that message that says that some architectures store parameters on the stack instead of registers when a function takes more than 7 parameters and how it might induce performance problems.
If you've got that many functions taking more than 7 parameters, I guess that you've already got other problems.
 
Basically, fanboys.
"I want all the unmaintainable code I write to be fast"
 
urgh where did all the +condition duration stats go @Luc
 
11:36 AM
@Elyse ASIO does not help?
 
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It does.
 
Asio has many annoyances
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Stop solving Rubik's cubes and start fixing them! :)
 
Use Crow if your server is simple enough.
 
Most of them are direct consequences of C++, though
 
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11:37 AM
But you have to use ASIO with stackful coroutines to get maintainable code.
 
oh it's called expertise now
 
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But then the coroutine mechanism doesn't work very well with most concurrency libraries.
 
In the end, is the coroutine design leaky?
 
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If used as green threads, then yes.
 
11:39 AM
In the end, most of my grievances with asio have to do with debugging.
 
they broke my build
 
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@wilx me too
 
@AngryLettuce gone forever
 
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Except that once the timer has elapsed, it starts counting backwards.
 
Engi has pistol trait (technically base duration, but that’s even better), and now incendiary powder/napalm both rolled into one so
 
11:41 AM
@Elyse There is a checkbox that lets it stop.
 
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Oh. :P
 
@AngryLettuce eh it was kinda called that before, although inconsistently (much like condition damage is also known as malice and so on)
 
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> San Serif
 
I have put a count down to my date today on full screen!
 
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Is that like sans serif but holy?
 
11:41 AM
now there’s gear with expertise on it and gear with +condition duration on it, don’t ask
 
Now that is something.
 
@LucDanton It was directly a +% before
I can reach +60% max this suxx
 
@Elyse No, it is like Holy Serif.
 
@wilx way to build anxiety
 
uninstalls
@R.MartinhoFernandes make anxiety
 
11:42 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am not that anxious. I expect utter failure. :)
 
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Holy Sheriff.
 
So what's the preferred way of building servers in C++? Still ASIO no?
I hear the latency is bad
 
@AngryLettuce food is +20, utility food +10 (but $$$), and sigil is like 10% generic or 20% burning so you’re kinda good to go
 
@AngryLettuce Switch to another language.
 
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> Showing results for sans serif
Search instead for sans sheriff
 
11:44 AM
@AngryLettuce That includeos thing sounds intriguing.
 
oya forgot sigil
 
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oy vey
 
@Morwenn nodejs!
 
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Erlang, Go, or Haskell.
 
ughhh 70%
 
11:45 AM
@AngryLettuce I don’t suppose you’re ig? [&AgHmlQAA]
 
Yeah already have giver's stuff
 
doesn’t display expertise though does it
 
That one is a raw +10%
For the amulet it's "expertise" however
 
no mang giver’s is boon duration, save for the weapons
 
Yes; I meant there are no trinkets that give +condi duration but the amulet; for which it's expertise and not a +%
 
11:48 AM
it’s the new attributes that display expertise etc. instead of display condition duration even though it’s morally the same
@AngryLettuce there are others but it’s through raids
 
Lounge<WeirdGames> again :)
 
@AngryLettuce it’s perhaps more interesting to notice that amulet has 4 attributes, not 3 or 7 (that’s celestial)
 
Oh actually nvm, there are, just not ascended
 
@AngryLettuce yeah that too
 
:logic:
how2designgaem
 
11:49 AM
no ascended trinket crafting
 
@sehe Count me in out.
 
@AngryLettuce I never heard this before.
 
So confused
 
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confuzzled
 
@StackedCrooked You're late on the news; maybe you're using ASIO.
 
11:51 AM
@StackedCrooked Didn't verify this experimentally
 
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verb: 1993 May 19, Stephen Kellogg, from cedarville.edu, “Re: God and cookies and rock'n'roll”, rec.music.christian, Usenet
  1. Why is it that the same people that accuse Petra of not being "real" rock music are also the same people that accuse them of being replicas of big-time rock bands? It confuzzles me...
  2. 1996 March 22, Gary Faber, “Danny Kaye (was Re: CORFLU 13 Update)”, rec.arts.sf.fandom, Usenet
  3. 1996 September 22, Colin F. Reynolds, from Chesterfield (UK), “Re: Don't Write For one Browser...”, comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html, Usenet
  4. 1997 August 25, Christian Conti, from wfu.edu, “Re: What's the most disturbing movie you've seen?”, alt.cult-movies, Usenet
  5. 1997 November 15, D. Jean Cooper, “Re: Mistake or twin?”, rec.arts.comics.elfquest, Usenet
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Also who cares about permaswiftness when there's a pssive +25% movespeed trait now
 
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TIL this feature
 
@AngryLettuce those use HoT materials of course
@AngryLettuce it was there before
 
Not in that form
It was +x% mspd in combat, and it didn't reduce cripple/chill etc
 
11:53 AM
lol combat-only really?
 
yes
at least that's what I remember
 
could be, I know I didn’t pay too much attention to it since it was in Invention (right?)
 
@Elyse confluzzle = confuse + puzzle ?
 
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ばか
 
Confuse + -zzle.
-zzle just makes things sounds hip.
 
11:56 AM
@Luc nvm
must have been a fixed bug (for quite some time even)
 
Shizzle, vajazzle, etc
 
how2memory
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it’s how you dazzle
 
Excuse me for the interruption. I have a few interesting ideas for programming and data modelling and would like to publish these. Where is the place I can put in on SO?
 
Not
Put them on your blog.
 
12:01 PM
ok, this is a good idea.
 
SO is not a publishing medium
 
stackoverflow.io
 
no other ideas?
 
what the hell happened to borderlands
 
I think about the TED, spreading of good ideas
 
12:04 PM
In general it's: (1.) read you messages (well!) and (2.) keep at it. It can be daunting, which is why I posted a answer with a guessed sample usage. — sehe 9 secs ago
@NECIPS Spreading of ideas, FTFY
 
@AngryLettuce rip
 
and why do I have a different build in WvW lol CONFUSION
 
If they're good, people will spread them.
 
@NECIPS The blog, yes. I'm subscribed to quite a few feeds like that
 
@AngryLettuce it’s a feature
 
12:05 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes cough
 
@MarkGarcia It's true. People will even take credit for them (see "Rule Of Zero")
Which makes publishing on a personal blog even more sensible
 
@sehe FTFY is what?
 
It's a hidden link to google
 
Well, my pre-date nervosity is showing up. I had to use the bathroom several time since my last post. :)
 
@sehe oh, I see: FTFY Fixed That For You
 
12:07 PM
why are you nervous?
 
:D
 
Also, save it for your date, man
TMI dude
 
lolol
 
@sehe Was alluring to the biological side of things... but yeah, poor robot.
 
I guesstimate the age to be around 40. So you're excused of not knowing internet lingo
 
12:11 PM
sehe sir can I ask a question? just a confusion actually
User-defined conversion sequence U1 is a better conversion sequence than another user-defined conversion sequence U2 if they contain the same user-defined conversion function or constructor
 
Is that so? Strikes me as something the standard wouldn't guarantee
 
does that means -> type has to have same conversion function i.e either operator function or constructor needs to be same
 
@LucDanton the verticality of the new one really gives engi a way to shine
 
@AngryLettuce now you’re pushing it
 
@AngelusMortis Imagine having to check all conversion paths for such ordering relations
 
12:13 PM
and launching it, and pulling it
 
pushing people over cliffs since 2013
 
@AngelusMortis anyways, I'm not the language lawyer type. I don't enjoy it (several others here seem to, though, so you can lurk). My stance is this:
15 hours ago, by sehe
@AngelusMortis Cheers. I'm not saying it's never confusing. But really, it's the way it is. Bad legacy. But also, easy to avoid. Just say no to implicit conversions. Don't get clever with "transparent proxies".
 
@sehe aah , btw sorry for pestering you again
 
No problem. These questions can be nice. And given compelling SSCCE make for good Stack Overflow questions because people do look these things up. Sort of, like "standard commentary"
 
Btw this code -> goo.gl/OSWhkv works on ms c++ but not on gcc and clang
 
12:17 PM
That's /always/ because MSVC has it wrong. 99.9999999% of the time
 
Use "Works on MSVC" only as a measure of—lol; never as a measure of correctness.
 
:O Stephan T. Lavavej is compiler engineer of C++ team
 
No, he's not
 
@AngelusMortis library
 
He works on the standard library
 
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12:21 PM
@sehe what is this?
 
my bad sorry
 
@AngelusMortis Herb Sutter is Program Manager though.
 
@Elyse It says so right on the top. It's his bio
 
@MarkGarcia awesome :)
 
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Did he make those tools or use them?
 
12:22 PM
The library is not laughable like the compiler, but I don't trust it so much either.
 
What do you think
 
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Yes.
 
ITT lobster fails at context
 
See also: bad <chrono>, lol std::deque
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think it's used for MS's clang.
 
12:23 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I read your blog posts, you're awesome at coding :)
like some other gems here ofcourse, not alone though :)
 
I should write more. I have too many unfinished drafts :s
 
Such Support. Much Thanks
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes awesome I love your articles since they teach in simple terms , and somtimes gibberish for me also
I spend barely 1 hour daily practicing but spend 2 hours reading ebooks
ok guys I should go before luc jumps on to me :D
 
I spend about 1 hour daily practising, but it's cubing not programming :p
 
12:29 PM
:)
 
borderlands desperately desert
no pun intended
 
Ven
hi, lounge
 
@rubenvb It only occurs for a handful of programs, therefore downgrading the driver seems overkill
 
@AngryLettuce but hey major WvW overhaul slated for december
yes of this year
 
Oh nice. I'm averaging better than my PB at the Skewb too. That's without any practice for months, and still without knowing more than one algorithm.
 
12:37 PM
@wilx haha
 
Dammit, why is Frankfurt Cube Days while I'll be in Tromsø :(
 
@LucDanton this year as in 2016 right
so far I'm playing WvW against juvenile spider hatchlings yes
and capturing things
apparently it's no longer possible to solo a camp
that or I suck
 
@AngryLettuce I actually have no idea what’s different on that front
 
I just got steamrolled by NPCs
 
keep in mind things auto-upgrade so you tend to run into mean NPCs etc.
@R.MartinhoFernandes the cube you have to master to handle that is the time cube
 
12:42 PM
ohh maybe fully upgraded camp yeah
don't think I can solo those
 
@AngryLettuce WvW?
 
well it’s not like things change hands too often so…
 
oh wow squad UI
impressive
 
why does a hitman need a new water tank? :p
 
12:47 PM
I think I'm really alone on the map
this is sad
 
you now have to sneak in your boss’ office to retrieve your resignation
 
wow killed someone amaze
 
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Oh cool PostgreSQL 9.5 has upsert.
 
Xeo
1:10 PM
oho, Cave Story+ on Sale on Steam... finally.
 
> In addition, the two governments "will refrain from criticizing and blaming each other in the international society, including the United Nations
Like kids in the playground
> Kim estimated each Japanese soldier took around three minutes
Says here the train has free WiFi, which is true in a way. Sadly the WiFi is not connected to the Internet
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's an almost american level of dickery
 
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You know who also made false promises on trains?
 
Factorio devs?
 
1:20 PM
@Elyse if you say Hitler...
 
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Your railway company is literally Hitler.
 
I'll ask about it when the conductor gets here.
 
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Now I know why it's called a conductor. He's in charge of the train.
 
@Elyse my girlfriend is Jewish; every time we're traveling by train, we make those jokes.
 
@Elyse Also ensures a harmonious travel.
 
1:24 PM
I love it when "Sunday" is translated to "Sole" ("The Sun" in italian) because the abbreviation in the english calendar is "Sun".
(In italian "Sunday" is "Domenica")
 
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ma di wo do vr za zo
 
Ven
@Mr.kbok ping
 
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Kr. mbok
 
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Kristbok M
 
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Ven diagram
 
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1:26 PM
I'm so punny today.
 
@AngryShoe lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's almost mandatory, particularly if you're in coach
 
@AngryShoe is there a reason for "Giov" having four letters while all the others have three (well, except for Sole, of course)
 
No, in fact in all calendars I've seen it's just "Gio"
 
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Gio d'Italia
 
1:31 PM
"Giovedì" is literally "The day of Jupiter" but also "Thursday"
 
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Giovanni van Bronckhorst
 
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Ugh, fuck item frames being entities instead of blocks.
 
Torsdag, maybe it has something to do with Tor.
 
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They get destroyed by creepers even when mob griefing is turned off because of that.
 
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@JohanLarsson It's the day on which the NSA has a day off.
 
1:33 PM
 
@JohanLarsson It actually comes from Latin.
They just translated Jupiter to Thor.
No joke.
 
It's the day of the god of thunder.
 
gah, I had to go home from work cos they are cleaning the floors
 
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The Dutch word literally means "thunder day".
 
1:36 PM
turns out I had named a folder DebugViews and git had ignored it
So now I can't continue from where I was
 
I think the Merlot I opened last week has turned into vinegar
 
@AngryShoe laff
 
Also, don't people know, unless you are very experienced and skilled, the more you write on social media, the more it reveals your vulnerability?
 
Actually "Sunday" is probably the only day of the week whose name has a different meaning in Italian
"Sunday" is the "The day of the Sun", but in italian "Domenica" is "Home day".
 
@Telkitty what's that supposed to mean
what vulnerability?
 
1:41 PM
@AngryShoe No.
It's Lord's day.
 
From "Domus" which is "House" in latin
 
No, it's from Domine.
 
not Deus/deo?
 
Noun: domenica f ‎(plural domeniche)
  1. Sunday
 
@JohanLarsson Christians refer to their god as "The Lord"
 
1:42 PM
yea
 
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domination
 
Portuguese names of days of the week translate as Lord's day, second day, third day, fourth day, fifth day, sixth day, day of rest.
 
söndag, never heard of sol I think
 
@AngryShoe Isn't Saturday in Italian named after the Jewish Shabbath? It means rest; not related to Saturn.
 
@JohanLarsson nsfw dude
 
1:45 PM
oh, sry
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's "Sabato", so I guess so
 
full on erect nippletitties
@JohanLarsson (I'm kidding)
 
So was I :)
 
@JohanLarsson well I wasn't
or was I?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Japanese has it as Moon day, fire day, water day, wood day, gold / metal day, earth (soil) day, Sun day
 
1:47 PM
@Xeo TIL pokemon are days in japan
2
 
@orlp Meaning people say things on the social media, but other people might take different interpretations. Sometimes, even the lacking of mentioning of certain elements in life gets noticed. It's kind of too complicated to explain right now, I need to wake up reasonable early tomorrow. And the vinegar is doing it's wonders :p
 
@Xeo Beautiful
 
Xeo
It's the five elements + moon / sun. I like it.
 
\m/
 
1:47 PM
every morning*
 
Isn't "Sunday" considered the first day of the week?
 
@AngryShoe by some archaic people, yes
 
Oh wait, in North America, not in Europe apparently
 
4 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Portuguese names of days of the week translate as Lord's day, second day, third day, fourth day, fifth day, sixth day, day of rest.
 
So "second day" is "Monday"?
 
1:50 PM
nvm
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes We have same thing too.
Each day is considered as a particular Lord's day
 
@AngryShoe Also, in some places it starts on Saturday (a mostly muslim tradition).
@AngryShoe Yeah.
 
Like Sunday is for Sun
 
I see
 
Portuguese is the only language I know that took the names almost directly from liturgic Latin.
 
1:55 PM
I thought portuguese didn't have day names
 
But the week starts on Monday ("second day") for most purposes. Only the church uses the Sunday as the first day.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes dies dominica which is indeed "Day of the Lord"
I've been lied all my life :c
Funny thing is that it was "dies Solis" ("Day of the Sun") before Christianity, then it was renamed.
Christianity ruining everything :P
 
@AngryShoe Well, Saturday is from Jewish tradition :P
 

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