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4:00 PM
all that they've achieved is made new versions of Android pointless.
 
no, they are pioneering.
 
and ensured that hundreds of millions of people still use versions riddled with exploits
 
fuck them vOv
 
no.
 
do you really care about those people or are you just saying it because it's popular
I honestly don't
 
4:00 PM
I really care about those people because if I were to use an Android phone, I would be one of those people.
 
htc releases security updates
 
Or you could buy a new phone
 
no.
 
then fuck you as well, duh.
 
I will not lock myself in to purchasing new hardware on Google's schedule.
 
4:01 PM
without releasing OS major updates
 
Capitalism 101
@Puppy ok
 
this isn't capitalistic
it's monopolistic.
 
you can buy another phone
 
I did- Windows Phone.
 
hence, capitalism worked. You had a choice and you made it.
monopolism is when you don't get the choice
 
4:02 PM
right
and for most of Android's life, people didn't have a choice because the only other one was iOS.
 
you could also try jolla
 
iOS is pretty good.
 
or ubuntu phone
 
or firefox OS
 
since you don't want apps
 
4:03 PM
or Blackberry
 
blackberry is android now
 
and even then, people don't really have a choice because the update policy of the hardware vendor is a massive pile of inaccessible legalese at best.
 
I doubt they'll go back to blackberry os
 
firefox OS is dead, even Mozilla have abandoned it.
 
@Puppy you can also not buy a phone at all
 
4:03 PM
iOS is even worse than Android.
 
that's also a choice
@Puppy in some areas.
 
it's not really a choice in this point in time and space.
 
this was the best phone ever
 
@BartekBanachewicz The cost is so high it really doesn't matter if Apple can update it because you can't afford to buy it in the first place.
 
@Puppy dunno, a lot of people seemed to be able to afford one
 
4:05 PM
also it's not like they don't pull the same shit arbitrarily nuking support for older phones- my sister had the exact same problem with an iPhone 4 that now can't get iOS 8/9.
 
iPhone 4 is too slow for 8/9 I guess
 
iPhone 4 is pretty old now tho
 
I guess that if all you want to do is open gmail, it's hard for me to see how the hardware can get slower at doing that.
 
wow it's 6 years old already
 
or sync some data over bluetooth.
 
4:06 PM
I knew it was old but not that old
 
how do you do the fancy live demo on coliru thing stacked does in his answers?
 
@Puppy you can do that on older iOS just fine
 
@rubenvb press the share button or something like that
 
@BartekBanachewicz Which directly tells you that you should be able to do it on a newer iOS just fine, as well.
 
I don't get where the idea that you're entitled to updates comes from
@Puppy no, it doesn't.
 
4:07 PM
@AlexM. No, I mean the boxed link he does. One sec, I'll look it up and have my answer
 
I mean IDGI, a lot of people can use iPhones and not care about what you're saying
 
@rubenvb link to answer?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Probably because unupdated software basically bricks the device, at best.
 
no idea what you're talking about
 
and they're happy with their phones
 
4:08 PM
@AlexM. If I had one I'd have the answer to my question ;) Looking now.
 
so you buy hardware but you basically only have it for as long as they decide you can keep using it.
 
It might not be StackedCrooked at all though...
 
the only live on coliru links I've seen are...
 
It might be sehe that sometimes does it
 
I've seen sehe do it but I thought it was just a plain link with nothing fancy
 
4:09 PM
@Puppy I don't see what's wrong with it
 
the box thing is nice
 
you're overthinking this
 
@BartekBanachewicz What's wrong with it is that I paid for it and I want to keep it for as long as I decide.
 
kbd
 
I didn't rent it, I bought it.
 
4:09 PM
@Puppy minor details
 
@rubenvb that's for keyboard icons
 
37 secs ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
you're overthinking this
 
but yea nobody uses it for keyboard icons
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's not a minor detail, it's a critical distinction.
 
no it's not
 
4:10 PM
sure it is.
 
think about it as a service and your whole problem disappears
 
yes, but I don't buy services.
 
> Springer have made a bunch of books available for free, here are the direct links gist.github.com/bishboria/8326b17bbd652f34566a
math stuff for math people
 
then don't buy an iPhone, problem solved
really IDGI people complaining about things they don't want to buy
 
well, sure, I didn't buy an iPhone and I didn't buy Android, but there's not really any competition.
 
4:11 PM
you're shit out of luck then
make a demand
 
yes, I'm glad you've finally noticed that the current market has little competition and all the vendors are basically the same.
 
@AlexM. I'm sure it is. Still looks nice.
 
lay out money and say "make me a better phone"
you're the customer with the purchasing power
if enough people thought like you there would be phones for you
 
@AlexM. I used to (not answering many questions anymore)
 
hint: noone (not enough) cares
 
4:12 PM
@sehe when you have time/goesting, another undoubtedly stupid X3 question: stackoverflow.com/questions/34514784/…
 
I think it's more a matter of immaturity in the market
 
being a minority hurts and I understand your pain but the silly complaint on how the world works is just that - a silly complaint
 
and incompetence on the part of Google.
I'm not in the minority
 
@Puppy so far their incompetence ended in millions of satisfied people, one grumpy puppy and their full bank account
 
oh lol polar bear's already edited my question.
 
4:14 PM
there's 990 million people using outdated Android devices who are in the same bucket.
 
@Puppy right. Tell me more how this "majority" impacts the market then
@Puppy The important difference is that they're perfectly happy with their phones
or don't care enough
 
no
to be more specific, since there is no vendor that represents their interests, there's nowhere for their purchasing power to go.
they're stuck with an inferior service.
because the market is effectively monopolistic.
 
inb4 government regulation
lol I can't believe this
 
there's no way of knowing if they're satisfied with their service or not, since there are no alternative services.
 
I predict this thread will end on communism in 10 minutes tops
 
4:15 PM
@puppy But MS makes it so easy to make apps for their devices, just write the missing ones! :p
 
lol
 
No seriously, I'm quite sure my new phone will run Windows.
I've had it with Android.
 
@Puppy why don't you make one then? oh wait "monopolistic", right
 
@rubenvb WP's main problem is not that it doesn't have apps
it's that current app devs are leaving
 
@BartekBanachewicz Probably because I'm pretty sure that the startup cost in the market is going to be measured in the billions of dollars.
 
4:16 PM
probably because the profit to maintenance cost ratio is too bad
 
@AlexM. oh. That sucks. Any prominent examples?
Or is it just hearsay?
 
there was this payment helper/processor that decided to drop the WP platform
let me see if I can find it
 
@AlexM. That's a different matter.
 
@Puppy gather investors then and tell them what you told me: about all those millions of unhappy android users just waiting to be saved by your free (to update) and open brand with the business model more leaky than a 50year old shed's roof.
 
One isn't plural.
I'm actually seeing slowly increasing support for WP in Belgium
 
4:17 PM
>Windows Phone has a new app problem
Microsoft's apps are evaporating http://www.theverge.com/2015/10/23/9602350/microsoft-windows-phone-app-removal-windows-store
 
in this case we're talking about an app for an existing paid-for device/service, so the app isn't about profit but support/service.
 
Also due to the UWP, where the desktop market is a huge userbase.
 
tbh, Windows Phone barely stands a chance in hell when it is doing its best, let alone this
 
@BartekBanachewicz There's nothing leaky about that business model - Microsoft makes billions of dollars a year selling software that has updates.
 
@Puppy clearly WP platform is a huge success
 
4:19 PM
But there's always desktop Windows, Xbox, Surface... They're doin' alright. :P
 
@ElimGarak Office generates the most revenue for microsoft IIRC
 
They fucked up their framework, and had to redo the whole thing three times.
 
Zune, best success to date.
 
@ElimGarak pretty sure microsoft's most profitable thing is windows for companies
 
Let's hope they stay with the UWP Windows 10 stuff, although it really isn't that great usability-wise
 
4:20 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Nah, desktop Windows. But the principle is pretty much the same.
 
@ElimGarak no screen yet?
 
@Puppy apparently didn't translate well enough to mobile market. But you're still going to argue that it does, aren't you.
 
@AlexM. thanks for the link.
 
@ScarletAmaranth I was too lazy :( Literally, I just have to slap the materials and I don't feel like it :(
 
@BartekBanachewicz More accurately, they just haven't finished translating it yet ;p
I think that it translated more-or-less just fine.
 
4:21 PM
@rubenvb i'll look at it tonight. Right now, feeding time.
 
if they can just stay with Windows 10 for a while instead of constantly rebooting, it'll be a good start.
 
@Puppy then I can't see why you're complaining. Just buy a clearly superior WP device and call it a day.
 
that is what I've done, but the damn company that sells the fitness band tracker doesn't make a WP app, so I've got a brick.
 
@Puppy oh no
sorry I can't be that sarcastic over the internet chat
 
@sehe Brilliant, thanks!
 
4:23 PM
Pick your priorities then. You can either get your fitness tracker to work or keep your WP phone.
 
fitness trackers are bullshit items anyways
 
@rubenvb no, they're pretty nice.
 
oh come on.
 
it counts steps? Wow, that'll get an accurate calorie count
 
4:24 PM
oh come what? "I don't need it, so it's bs"?
 
@ScarletAmaranth Such lazy :(
 
@rubenvb no, it measures heart rate.
fuck counting steps, that's neigh useless
 
@BartekBanachewicz The really expensive ones do.
And heart rate doesn't give much more info on anything except, well, heart rate.
 
@rubenvb I guess our definitions of "really expensive" differ
 
@BartekBanachewicz Those are undoubtedly my choices. That doesn't change the fact that having to make that choice is a giant pile of elephant shit brought on by Google and Microsoft's incapability of making a thing that works.
 
4:25 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I think €100 for a band that can count steps and measure distances is a wee tad overpriced, yes.
 
@rubenvb it's a very useful information if you're actually training. Sportsmen have used those for years already because this information tells you a lot about how your body is actually stressed
@rubenvb €150 gets you a HR sensor
@Puppy We don't live in a perfect world, sweetheart.
 
@rubenvb sleep monitoring might be nice
 
oh come on.
 
2 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
oh come what? "I don't need it, so it's bs"?
 
4:27 PM
What are you going to do with sleep monitoring data?
Know how much you were awake?
And then what?
 
@rubenvb see how your lifestyle habits impact your sleep
and potentially improve its quality
 
I'd go to a doctor and have him monitor my sleep.
 
he won't do that every single night for a few months
 
A lot less gadgetry and a lot more substantial information.
 
this thing will
@rubenvb not necessarily.
you're forgetting that the data of all of that is being brought together
 
4:28 PM
Let's just say I'm highly sceptical towards the whole "record my life into numbers" hype.
 
numbers are numbers, regardless if dick size, car mileage or sleep data
 
But I'm usually highly sceptical towards any hype.
 
you can analyze them statistically just fine
and if there's a correlation between the quality of your sleep and some other factor you might be overlooking, the software could tell you
 
yes, but those statistics won't give you a lot of substantial information (that you couldn't have, well, I don't know, thought of yourself)
 
@rubenvb you'd be surprised
 
4:29 PM
I'm not talking about heart rate here, that is idd a good metric when you do sports.
 
people don't really consciously analyze their lifestyle habits
 
Ven
@Mr.kbok rip :|
 
Oh, let's just check my sleep monitor data: oh I've been sleeping badly, that's weird, I thought I wasn't -- said no one ever.
But hey, i'm open to contrary evidence.
As in, I don't know, the at least semi-scientific kind.
 
@rubenvb I suppose the trackers in use now are churning ziggabytes of data into google fit servers to be analyzed and made sense of
I'll just end with "i can see the potential"
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah sure, me too, I just don't see the reason for €150+ gizmo's that can't give much more information than a notebook on your bedside table would.
 
4:33 PM
@ElimGarak WoW had sign posts in a few places that said "This way, that way, the other way" on 'em, such useful, very informative, wow
 
@Borgleader I am battling perspective aberration here :D
 
Hey, can anybody help me with a small problem?

I have an object that have an array of 8 pointers.

I have a method to check if the pointers are not set, but for some reason I get an access violation when doing this `return m_children[0] == nullptr;`
 
have you asked on stackoverflow?
 
Ven
you should take Kaare of your pointerZ
 
I think it's too small a question and likely to get closed
Mehe Ven :)
 
Ven
4:36 PM
It's not the size that matters
 
Have you tried debugging? You could literally find out the answer in 5 seconds.
We'd be doing you a disservice by telling you what's going on
 
I declare the array like this Octree *m_children[8]
I have, can't figure out what's wrong
 
The answer is: don't use an array of pointers.
 
have you tried a C book
 
@rubenvb It's for an octree. How would I do that without using an array of pointers?
 
4:41 PM
see, it's pretty complicated
ask on stackoverflow m8erino
 
Access violation means you violated access
Try compiling on Linux and use valgrind
 
@KaareZ If you take time to write up a nicely structured question on SO, I'm sure someone'll jump in and give you some pointers.
 
Thanks. GTG
 
@milleniumbug Or DrMemory on Windooze
 
@rubenvb dat pun
 
4:44 PM
yawn
wat do
I'm last in the office
time to pull some prank
 
in a building with walls made of glass
good idea
 
go home
 
Ven
better than glass made of walls
 
like all normal people
this time of the year
 
4:46 PM
Get drunk
 
@AlexM. I kinda feel the responsibility on me
people are asking me things
 
@BartekBanachewicz Plant some incriminating evidence on your boss
 
@KaareZ Have you tried electron vortices?
 
it's your responsibility to rewrite all of your codebase in haskell
 
@набиячлэвэлиь nah I like my boss
 
4:47 PM
@BartekBanachewicz s/boss/whoever you dislike most/
 
@набиячлэвэлиь a petunia?
 
> plant
 
@AlexM. eh frankly given that I'm gonna be the only one working on a js part in a month, it might as well be in haskell
 
Flowers don't grow well on living people
 
4:48 PM
since nobody wants to do anything on it
 
they do on dead people though
dat reference nobody gets
 
@набиячлэвэлиь googol
 
feels good to be hipstar
 
code won't work
fml
 
> How to increase pointer's pointer value in C++
this guy is going deep
 
4:50 PM
pointar?
 
Pointar did nothing wrong.
 
see plasplas
 
Hey, guys, wanna see some screws?
 
omg ys
I always wanted to see screws
 
I want to see more hobbyist V8 engines
 
4:53 PM
 
woooow
isn't that a bit too big
2
 
amirite, I want it inside of me
wait wat
 
was ist das bitte?
bitte == plz
 
Just screwin' around, bby
 
it's a fucking screw
no wait it's a screwing fuck?
 
4:55 PM
A screwdriver is a popular alcoholic highball drink made with orange juice and vodka. While the basic drink is simply the two ingredients, there are many variations; the most common one is made with one part vodka, one part of any kind of orange soda, and one part of orange juice. Many of the variations have different names in different parts of the world. The International Bartender Association has designated this cocktail as an IBA Official Cocktail. == History == This drink appears in literature as early as 1938 "And answered it "The famous Smirnoff Screwdriver", Just pour a jigger of smirnoff...
looks tasty
I miss my rum tho
 
I'd like some screwdriver too
 
perl 6 got a pipe forward operator like F# has
@array ==> unique()
       ==> sort()
       ==> reverse()
       ==> my @final-array;
 
perl 6, still perl tho
 
it's kinda ugly
I mean even F#'s is kinda ugly
but this is downright gorgonic
 
oh sorry didn't star a penis-related message before
now I've seen it
damn I need to pay more attention
and look at my cool hat, LOOK!
:shipit:
 
5:07 PM
@CatPlusPlus Welcoooooome \o/
 
If unit tests fail miserably after my commit and I cry, is that the global TearDown?
 
I sent an e-mail to the Professor of the graduate seminar cla- FFFFFFF I forgot to include the idea for making a proper audio splitter.
 
Send another mail
and then another, to fix a small grammar issue from the second one
 
@ThePhD I heard axes split things well
 
5:09 PM
and another one to apologize for too many mails
 
I remember sending long complicated emails to profs back in 1st year
and getting back "yes"
"no"
"ok"
 
std::lounge_sort
 
what do I staaar
they make no sense without each other
thank you based demagogue
 
#include <booty_call> using namespace std;
if you get what I mean by std
 
stdlib?
 
5:13 PM
>: (
 
no thank you I do not want stds
 
: )
 
stding should be prohibited in public spaces
 
I've been listening to kpop these days.
It's pretty good
 
brown eyed girls are great
I like black box
 
5:15 PM
Alert: cock-related message detected
 
I don't understand what they say but it can only be <generic pop music lyrics in korean>
 
well, off to use some modern batch scripting.
 
why is the black box message starred
 
I need to write a serialization library in C++17 that also supports floppy disks as storage medium
 
@AlexM. ~~lounge~~
 
5:17 PM
that is proper marrying "new" and "old" in a harmonic way
 
@ElimGarak is there anything sexual in it lol
IDGI
 
I have no idea, Dean's cock-related message detector is borken
 
oh ok
 
oh I might be wrong sorry
 
only if u want
 
5:18 PM
had the guy plonked since a while ago it seems
it seems I was not wrong
 
Meanwhile, in Croatia
 
plz no plink
omg
that is proper driving
 
Polet translates to "Take off", as in taking flight.
 
@ElimGarak this badass guy was born in your homeland en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josip_Broz_Tito
 
At least the drivers seat is in the correct side
 
5:20 PM
@AlexM. Ahahahah, make sure not to advertise that around here :D
 
> Stalin took the matter personally and arranged several assassination attempts on Tito, none of which succeeded. In a correspondence between the two leaders, Tito openly wrote:

Stop sending people to kill me. We've already captured five of them, one of them with a bomb and another with a rifle. (...) If you don't stop sending killers, I'll send one to Moscow, and I won't have to send a second.
 
Tito doesn't give a shit
 
That guy looks like a Bro
 
@ElimGarak he he he
 
@AlexM. second track is not too bad
 
@AlexM. Wow! Somebody had some balls against Stalin?
 
@ElimGarak yeeeeeeeeeees that one is good
the first track I heard by them
 
@wilx Only in writing
 
@StackedCrooked my faves are 7 and 8
@wilx from what I've read tito was pretty appreciated by his people
maybe why nobody could assassinate him
 
IIRC Tito basically held the whole country together
 
5:25 PM
Yeah, he was a cultural icon, I don't really understand why.
 
When he died, the Balkan war broke out
 
Yeah, Commander Shepard held Vukovar for 3 months under siege.
And then Garrus was like, man, why do we even try... And then they went to the Citadel for drinks.
 
5:58 PM
^ Banana beer and pineapple beer.
Looks interesting.
 

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