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4:02 PM
@Dean ANAL
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@Jefery yeah, guys be crazy
 
@Jefery Baby, y u bad at everything :/
 
B
 
"button on my car's autoradio doesn't have a nice touch" USE A FUCKING BIKE
5
 
LOL
 
4:05 PM
@Mr.kbok it's more like
 
I broke my bike when I was attempting to human outside. Almost died, never tried to human since.
 
> doctor it hurts when I do that
> <hits head with a fist>
well fucking don't do it?
 
you are bad at analogies
 
Ell
> patient: it hurts when I breath
> bartek: well just use haskell instead ffs
 
nobody is forcing you to use shitty languages like C++
seriously.
 
4:06 PM
No shitty languages, just shitty users :P
 
Ell
Nobody is forcing you to use shitty languages like haskell
 
you don't see me often here ranting about how I hate haskell
 
Bait captured in 3, 2, 1...
 
shots fired
requesting backup
 
10-13, officers in need of assistance.
 
4:07 PM
OTOH there's plenty of people here having absolutely idiotic problems with C++
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz Does that mean it's not shit?
 
that are 100% solved or completely nonexistent in other langs, mind you
 
Instead they have other classes of problems
Bartek discovers tradeoffs
 
lol: 'Is there any possibility of recovering the data(deleted) after it is been overwritten by some other bits on the hard disk?'
 
They solve 2 problems from C++ and introduce 20 others which C++ doesn't have.
 
4:08 PM
@ElimGarak [citation-needed]
I know you can find it hard to believe that non shit languages can exist
after being exposed to C++ for so long
 
officer down
 
but there's world outside fyi and it's doing development without all those idiotic problems like lack of package manager or 4h build times
 
@BartekBanachewicz sure you won't get intellisense issues in haskell because there's no intellisense, actually there's no syntax helper, actually there's no ide
 
@Mr.kbok thank goodness you have an IDE that doesn't work then
lel
really.
 
Ell
My c++ IDE works :3
and autocomplete works also
 
4:10 PM
Sup, bby, you just wait, modules are almost here. C++ is glorious and only getting gloriouser.
 
@Ell Good for you. I am sure that the products you release are great.
 
@BartekBanachewicz dude, I have, like, little wiggly lines under the "variant" word. That's not "doesn't work"
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz likewise, I'm sure your haskell products are great also :)
 
OTOH I pick haskell I'm good for using vim
 
10-44 Suspicious Language Reported
 
4:11 PM
@ElimGarak Yeah, after all 2023 is only 8 years from now and no language has ever collapsed from the absurd feature creep
if C++ doesn't start removing features and legacy crap pronto it's doomed
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz why are you always with the "you haven't released commercial products therefore you can't have an opinion"?
 
C++, it only does everything.
 
@Ell because hobbyist shit of mediocre quality doesn't matter
 
@BartekBanachewicz I highly doubt that
 
cue my code as well
 
4:12 PM
Python3 and Perl6, now stfu
 
@ElimGarak .. badly
 
There's this thing called embedded
 
@Jefery agree to disagree
 
And also old codebases
 
@Jefery where C++ offers much less than Rust
@Jefery fuck them
 
4:12 PM
@MartinJames "Take it easy, but do take it." :D
 
w/e I don't want to talk about it
so many words will be said and you won't change your mind at all
 
Guise, anybody have a shut up bartek token?
 
Yeah, my vodka glass is empty:(
 
@ElimGarak we can get those?
@MartinJames how were the Germans?
 
@thecoshman @Puppy has one
 
Ell
4:13 PM
well you won't change my mind if you won't even listen to my opinion, conversation is a two way street mayn
 
Discussing is not about changing the other person's mind
 
Ell
anyway
I agree let's move on
 
It's not like progress is made only if you change our mind
 
@Jefery that's like, your opinion, man
 
@thecoshman Very happy! One step from 'send an enormous invoice'.
 
4:14 PM
Unless the person you're talking to has a direct impact on your life, any form of discussion is frivolous unless it is enjoyable.
 
@Jefery you're not going to make progress with him
 
@ElimGarak I do, actually
 
@MartinJames you fixed hacked it?
 
@thecoshman I... implemented an unconventional and unsanctioned solution that removed the symptoms.
 
I just found Scotch from 1984. Shit smells.
 
4:16 PM
I think that "not wanting to talk about it" may also mean that you are afraid of challenging your opinions.
Like if you were afraid of changing your own mind.
 
@MartinJames a bit of gaffer tape over that part of the screen?
 
@Ell but heck, it's not even about the commercial products. Newbs in JS can create things in a week that are way more usable than projects people here work on for months. Maybe it's just me but I see an obvious correlation: C++ makes it hard to actually create working software, and while it's an interesting mental challenge for fun, it's a pretty bad tool.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz have you seen newb js code? :P
 
@thecoshman Sellotape, but essentially, yes:)
 
and what keeps coming back is that you think it's not, but you have nothing to back it up
 
Ell
4:17 PM
Or for a matter of fact have you seen any js? :V
 
@MartinJames I'm not sure how serious you are :P
 
Ell
(I know you write typescript or w/e for a living)
 
@Ell No elliotte, never.
 
@Jefery I don't like people shitting on C++ and blowing things out of proportion. People want to argue, argue on the merits of the crap you're proposing, not by disrespectfully downplaying other stuff.
 
@BartekBanachewicz How fast you can spit out something that looks functional is not all that matters
 
4:17 PM
@ElimGarak saying that this room's projects are virtually nonexisting isn't blowing things out of proportion
 
Sometimes it's better to take longer to make something, if it will be more stable in the long run
 
@thecoshman ..and I'm not going to expand on my ingenious fix:)
 
@BartekBanachewicz also, people here are just fucking lazy as shit :P
 
@thecoshman except it's never long run because it collapses under its own weight
 
@thecoshman actually it's also advice and an observation.
 
4:18 PM
sure you might call it people laziness or lack of motivation
or lack of skill
but IMHO language choice plays a huge part here
 
@BartekBanachewicz as if lounge projects (not) existing proves anything at all
 
@BartekBanachewicz No need for name calling braket
 
1 min ago, by Ell
Or for a matter of fact have you seen any js? :V
whistles
 
As if a gathering of programmers necessarily has to ... program something
 
@sehe Especially on a Friday night.
 
4:19 PM
@sehe it's not about them not existing, it's about them being started and being unable to be completed or even reach working stage because the language actively makes it hard.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have no idea what youre doing. But sure :)
 
Fuck it, I'm doing sod all with actual development until Monday.
 
@BartekBanachewicz How did you find that spurious correlation? There's literally no reason to think that had even a contribution
 
The problem is laziness, not necessarily the tool
 
@MartinJames sounds like a good plan
 
4:20 PM
@sehe I see stuff that people in say JS room can do and the gap is stunning.
 
Also chat was started with Haskell by Cat once and never reached working stage.
 
I have CV to shove around the place :\
 
Other projects were begun with C#, same thing.
 
I'm pretty sure that Python room folks outweigh us as well
 
Tooling is not our problem, laziness is.
 
4:20 PM
Lounge mostly doesn't give a shit. Or gives too much of a shit about frivolous things like Braket. And no project can be spawned from such infertile ground.
 
the only room that's worse at making software in this community is the C room
and that's a sad fact.
 
@BartekBanachewicz anecdotal; all you've established is that people in this room are not the same as in another room. Pfffft. I'm not even gonna bother.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Rooms are not for making software dammit
 
whatever rocks your goat
 
4:21 PM
They're congregations of people
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol, sure and erm, the reason I'm not a billionaire is because erm, someone farted close to the pope once. Shut the fuck up with your bullshit for once would you. We get it, you don't like the language, get over it.
 
keep writing C++ then it seems to be working well for y'all nonexisting software
 
Comparing them by their ability to shave beards is equally random
@BartekBanachewicz Go. Now.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz that isn't a name call -.-
 
it's ridiculous really.
@sehe why, just because the truth hurts?
 
4:22 PM
@BartekBanachewicz What existing non-in-prealpha stage do you have in Haskell, again?
 
Ell
 
@BartekBanachewicz We're not here to make software fucktard. Maybe that's why we don't tend to make much software.
 
@Jefery Isn't Haskell prealpha
 
Ell
^it has this which means it's sarcastic
 
4:22 PM
ok
 
@thecoshman Woah, calm down.
 
You're acting like a child, provking everyone. With very unreasonable moves. I think it's really useless for you to poison our room if you don't care anyways
 
@ElimGarak sigh
 
@Jefery Not really
 
Yes really.
 
4:23 PM
@Jefery Nah :D
 
@thecoshman lol
 
@Jefery I dunno, I don't think I aimed at a working thing with anything other than potato empires
 
So you don't have any?
 
which was kinda far but since it was a multiple people project and other people got apart...
 
I just wanted to call in Cat for damage control. He has an additional resist to Bratek and good offensive stats.
 
4:24 PM
@Jefery No, I don't think so.
 
Meanwhile, I am going to go the local church and explain to people why their god is shit. Lounge<BibleReading>
 
I see you also make a lot of software with Haskell then
 
@Ell what is this anyways. Don't tell me this your epic pacman that you wrote in c++ :)
 
@Jefery Again, I didn't aim to make actual software with other projects. Can everyone here say that with straight face about every of their failed C++ projects?
 
Ell
@sehe haha no this is my explanation of :V
 
4:26 PM
@ElimGarak Bring uzis, much more convincing
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz yes
 
@Ell oh... rotation
 
hey my C++ snake game is finished :P
 
Fucking wanking bastard shit failing to read the imbred cuntting files with a list of twat arsed users. IT'S RIGHT THERE YOU CUNT!
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't have any
 
4:26 PM
@AndyProwl linkeh
 
(it sucks, but it's finished)
 
I don't see how C++ factors into Lounge projects being cancelled.
 
@thecoshman Any chance you can stop using C++?
 
@thecoshman You have a little problem opening your file?
 
Fuck everything
 
4:27 PM
Hey @BartekBanachewicz what did the js guys do?
 
@AndyProwl linkeh
 
Weekend
 
@Mr.kbok They were productive
 
@набиячлэвэлиь here. It's not like I finished it now, I just meant to say I didn't abandon it before completion
 
@thecoshman Oh.. I see you do.
 
4:27 PM
It's an honest question
 
Ell
> Bartek used Bartek
> It hurt itself in confusion
 
damn. Replying is hard
 
@AndyProwl How do I build it?
 
@набиячлэвэлиь First get a goat
 
Ell
sorry bartek I'm only having fun now :)
 
4:28 PM
@AndyProwl lol me be like this not js
 
@набиячлэвэлиь Windows + MSVC + Cinder or download the executable
 
@Ell No fun allowed you must make projects 24/7
Because thou must
 
@AndyProwl lol MSVC
 
yeah
 
@Mr.kbok dunno, a chat
 
4:29 PM
but at least I have a finished project :P
 
So it really is goat sacrifice
 
but really, w/e
now for real
let's drop this topic
 
I think one of the reasons we don't have a lot of room projects is that we work on a lot of wildly unrelated fields
Yeah, the js people obviously all do web stuff so they can make a website together
 
@BartekBanachewicz Holy shit
 
@AndyProwl The exec. zip in deploy is 8 months old
 
4:30 PM
And calm
 
Is that what I'm looking for?
 
uses
forms,windows,classes,SysUtils, ShellAPI, Messages,Bartek, MinimalSemaphorePCqueue,MinimalObjectPool,JVrecords,global,GroupShared,JobVerifyRootClass;
 
@набиячлэвэлиь Yeah. As I said, it's not finished now
I mean
 
Well... I an risking mobile chat
 
@набиячлэвэлиь So is the code old man
 
4:30 PM
I finished it some time ago
 
@Mr.kbok it was made mostly by one guy
 
To be fair, non shit phone makes mobile chat more tolerable
 
@CatPlusPlus beardtug
 
and no it's not obvious that "they all do web stuff"
I don't, for one.
 
@BartekBanachewicz so, um, your point 100% moot
 
4:31 PM
The reason Lounge projects don't work has nothing to do with chosen tech stacks not being absolutely 100% perfect
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz oh cool. what protocol does it use?
 
@Ell its own, I guess?
 
@BartekBanachewicz what do you do with js that's not web
 
Getting hung on stack choice kills more projects than actual stack flaws
 
uh, everything?
 
Ell
4:32 PM
@BartekBanachewicz meh okay
 
I don't do web development at all
 
Waste of time
 
@BartekBanachewicz anything?
 
user image
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user406009
The reason why Lounge projects fail is that we set our sights to high. The ideal of perfection is the enemy of the good.
 
Scope creep, lack of vision and lack of leadership
And yes wasting time on this perfectionism bullshit
 
So, like normal projects
 
We all pledge allegiance to our glorious koala-leader: @Nooble!
 
@BartekBanachewicz heh
 
user406009
4:34 PM
I trust Elim. If we start a project he should lead.
 
Wait, what? No more Kyrostats. We get all wound up over it.
 
@набиячлэвэлиь Where can you get pizza with a eucalyptus topping?
 
@Elim lol plural
 
ALL PRAISE ELIM OUR RIGHTFUL LEADER
 
Kyrostat is not dead
7
 
4:35 PM
the only reliable way of making a successful Lounge project is to let rightfold lead it
11
 
It is merely memes
 
@MartinJames Tell us, @Nooble!
 
@AndyProwl For some very short values of successful
 
@AndyProwl You're not getting a star for that!
 
Ell
I'd be a good project l33t
 
4:35 PM
@MartinJames awww
 
memes live forever
Kyrostat is an hero
 
@AndyProwl that way it gets cancelled before anyone gets hurt
 
@CatPlusPlus let's not be too ambitious now
 
I started loungeventurepg and I don't have many concrete ideas so if anyone wants to contribute~~
 
Ohh. What I'm doing here..
 
4:36 PM
Everybody who didn't say anything was wondering the exact same thing.
 
@ProblemSlover You turned right at Albuquerque
 
@ProblemSlover Probably @Martin's mother
 
I've decided that UIs are too annoying and console interface is the only true way of making software
 
lol
 
It's funny 'cause it's true
 
4:37 PM
@CatPlusPlus Unfortunately, users disagree.
 
Fuck users
They ruin everything
 
I never make console apps
wpf or unit tests
 
@MartinJames You meant "fortunately", I guess
 
is Anyone into Machine Learning? I've just realized It's the coolest thing I've ever played with :P
 
@JohanLarsson nah nah nah I ran your unit tests on the console nah nah nah
 
4:38 PM
if you're looking for a project I could use some creative help on Thermite (not in Haskell)
 
@JohanLarsson I've not touched console apps since, well, the 80's.
 
Bask in the glory
 
Ell
k00l
 
@CatPlusPlus The repo is empty, though
 
First and last in the office today by virtue of being a dumbass who forgot to pick up the tickets after sending them to the printer.
 
4:39 PM
I'll put this up
 
I can't win a fucking game of Rise of Nations. I get raped by the computer all the time. It comes at me with overwhelming force while I am trying to build computerized machines. :( Also, there are no walls. I need walls to keep the peasants out while I develop.
 
@sehe Tina? I'm not your ex :P
 
Ell
I am having trouble writing my hashtable iterator >.<
 
Jul 6 '14 at 18:58, by Borgleader
@AaronKyleKilleen Public service announcement
@Ell you should be
 
@sehe cleaned it up a lot now, was lost in my own small api
 
4:41 PM
@ElimGarak I'm generally bad at RTSes, but fast-paced RTSes are just the worst
 
because it's unhealthy (although it shouldn't matter a thing that it's a hash-table; all iterators are sucky things)
 
I need someone to finish my UCD -> C++ compiler in Python.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I need more Stoli
 
I'm about halfway done.
 
4:43 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes shouldn't have mentioned it in the lounge. Either, now you'll never finish it or you'll break Bartek's dream
 
Then there's UCA, IDNA, CLDR and UTR36 data to parse too.
Never gonna finish.
 
@sehe I was the first one in line to finish it
 
@CatPlusPlus it's gorgeous
 
Wiiiiiiip
 
@CatPlusPlus is it yours
 
4:44 PM
Ok guys. You seem boring today.... Happy sexy friday :P
 
First one to finish what?
 
Build a Church. "Easier to control the populace early on, but non-religious opponents may develop nuclear weapons sooner and bring an early rapture for your pious followers. Allows extremist groups in Modern Age which will spawn in enemy capitals at random times."
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes the python thing
 
@BartekBanachewicz sabotage!
 
4:44 PM
still thinking about it
 
@Mr.kbok Yes
 
I might hop on it during the weekend
 
I'll push the skeleton in a sec
 
what is the project?
 
4:47 PM
wouldn't you like to know
 
There was a website posted here a while ago in which you could make your own customized thing
 
@BartekBanachewicz svg
 
@ProblemSlover Lounge boring? In comparison to what? All those slaves shovelling SQL/JavaScript/PHP think that a sensory-deprivation tank is orgasmic.
 
4:49 PM
brilliant
 
@ElimGarak Huh?
 
@ElimGarak hihihi
 
@EtiennedeMartel Too much Rise of Nations :D
 
car needs an oil change :[
 
4:51 PM
@Prismatic Invade a country
 
I wish it was easy to change the oil on my car
 
damn I forgot to push some changes
 
ends up costing like $70 ish at the dealer
 
@ElimGarak Should be 'c'
 
@Prismatic You need to take out one sealing bolt, unscrew/replace a filter, put bolt back, pour new oil. Of all the nasty car-related shit, that's easy.
 
4:52 PM
i have to finally implement closures in Turnip
 
Imma playing Factorio
 
I think that when I have closures it's gonna be pretty much functional
then I can move on to either robot's thing or thermite
 
@Prismatic why isn't it easy?
 
@Prismatic Is your car an Apple product?
 
@Martin very important to put the bolt bacl before the new oil
Not that I ever did that the wrong way around, of course.
 
4:54 PM
@ElimGarak Prolly Renault/Citroen - needs 12 special tools.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes never
 
good stuff
 
@MartinJames Ugh, French cars
 
@ElimGarak I don't think that's safe
 
@sehe (I hope Bartek doesn't see that because it was a shitstorm yesterday)
 
4:56 PM
@ElimGarak Yeah. Absolutely great right up until the first problem, which is always catastrophic.
 
@ElimGarak ikr - I witnessed it (and he's already responded)
I had a Renault Mégane.
Sold it when it was 5 years. Bought a 5y/o Mazda instead :)
 
the oil filter is located in this weird place
 
Please don't wind up the Bartek - I have no shut up tokens.
 
the new subarus have it accessible from the engine bay standing up i think
 
All my tokens always wind up the Barket
 
4:58 PM
@набиячлэвэлиь There~~
 
Deliciously ambiguous grammar
 
Oh, it's a filter change too.
 
@sehe Good move. 5yo Mazda much more reliable than new Frog.
 
@CatPlusPlus Nice, cheers
 
4:59 PM
My parents had this when I was a kid
 
also I'm kind of paranoid about making a huge mess. I dont have a lot of room either so I guess I'd have to take it to a parking lot
 
@ElimGarak I had the Boring Edition(TM)
 
@ElimGarak Oh shit.. French AND ugly.
 

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