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3:00 PM
@GregorMcGregor start here
@GregorMcGregor no... did you take hormones?
 
user1804599
 
nope
 
@sehe "to create another person"
hmmmm
 
@EtiennedeMartel Let's hope he gets the chance to do some nice stuff before being stopped by ~politics~!
 
sdd
3:02 PM
@CatPlusPlus Hey
 
(I don't know the guy or whatever else he stands for)
 
@sdd hey
 
why are you plinking CatPlusPlus?
 
Isn't Justin Trudeau some guy at AMD Jim Trudeau
 
he might not be very happy about that
 
sdd
3:03 PM
@TonyTheLion because he knows about assembly
 
@rubenvb Canada has a Westminster-style parliament. Which means he basically controls 100% of the Commons.
 
> with his policies focusing on climate change, the economy, welfare, the refugee crisis and decriminalising cannabis.
 
@sdd hahahahah
 
lol the scope change
 
I don't think he wants to answer your assembly questions
 
sdd
3:04 PM
@TonyTheLion Why do you think so?
 
Decriminalising cannabis in the same list as climate change, economy, and welfare.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Didn't you know
 
@sdd Because I know Cat. He is a well known source of grumpiness.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Would you believe me if you I told you the media here gave basically the same amount of coverage to each of those points during the electoral campaign?
 
If you want witnesses, ask any regular here
 
3:05 PM
Guys, we need The Gif
 
sdd
@TonyTheLion Hmm, what about you?
 
Did you know that cannabis related crime was at records low for the past 4 billion years where humanity did not exist?! Just like climate change.
 
@sehe jeffrey
 
It's like "I want to to go to Mars and to that store down the street too".
 
@EtiennedeMartel Which means what exactly? He can do what he wants, as in he has legislative majority?
 
user1804599
3:05 PM
 
@rubenvb Yep.
 
@sdd Please don't ping random people with your questions.
 
@Elyse The Other Gif
 
@sdd Well as a room owner and "moderator", I will have to tell you that you should really read the rules linked at the top of the starboard.
 
@Elyse sexy
 
user1804599
3:06 PM
@Rerito Other GIFs are not allowed.
 
I'm having a déjà vu here
 
@Rerito me too
 
@EtiennedeMartel Who exercises control? Everything just passes parliament I guess?
 
@rubenvb An MP cannot realistically vote against party lines, so if you have enough MPs you are guaranteed to win every vote.
 
dèjá vu
 
3:06 PM
> [..]A number of times I have seen questions, which although they could have been worded better (poster may not have had English as first language), made sense to me, but because it was outside the scope of what HelpfulNewb knew, they down voted them and in some cases moderators then subseuqently closed them.[..]
^ Totally what I hate the most.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes many people would find it easy to combine these ambition
@wilx trueness
 
And our electoral system means that with 40% of the vote you can basically get 100% of the power. Isn't that great?
For four years at least.
 
@EtiennedeMartel It is either that or bickering coalitions, or mix of both. :)
 
@Elyse We should use the gif for a C++ commercial. "C++17 is so shiny, it makes Bjarne sparkle!"
 
3:09 PM
@Mysticial please don't try to hoard all the rep for yourself this attitude is unacceptable — Gregor McGregor 18 secs ago
lol
 
@wilx A coalition only works if no party gets an absolute majority.
 
@TonyTheLion lol
 
Also, I prefer to say "cooperating" rather than "bickering". Otherwise you're implying that compromises are impossible in politics.
 
Ven
> boost: mutex lock failed in pthread_mutex_lock: Invalid argumentterminating with uncaught exception of type boost::exception_detail::clone_impl<boost::exception_detail::error_info_injector‌​<boost::lock_error> >: boost: mutex lock failed in pthread_mutex_lock: Invalid argumentterminating with uncaught exception of type boost::exception_detail::clone_impl<boost::exception_detail::error_info_injector‌​<boost::lock_error> >: boost: mutex lock failed in pthread_mutex_lock: Invalid argument
Amazing. I love this.
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion lol
 
user1804599
3:10 PM
@Ven already locked by same thread?
 
Ven
@Elyse I didn't put locks in :v
 
inb4 lock free
 
user1804599
SSCCE!
 
user1804599
Also use (G|LL)DB to get a stack trace.
 
Ven
I tried. no stack trace. :(
 
3:12 PM
@Ven wrong thread maybe?
if there are threads...
 
user1804599
Congratulations. You suck at using the debugger. That means you rarely use it, so your code must be of high quality!
3
 
Stack traces are sometimes hard to get.
Even in simple segfault situations.
 
user1804599
@rubenvb We can conclude that stack traces are like girlfriends.
 
I've never used a debugger and I'm at 600 lines in a gui
 
user1804599
3:14 PM
Leningratz.
 
Stalingratz
 
How do I go about separating it or do I have to
 
Ven
@rubenvb oh, there are threads
 
Pomegranatz
 
@GettingNifty separating the UI?
 
user1804599
3:16 PM
@Ven thread N, bt.
 
Ven
@Elyse okay: no interesting stack trace.
@Elyse yer gdb, m8
 
@Ven Often something is deferred to another thread without apparent reason, or the debugger/libc switched to handle the crash in another thread or whatever
 
Into different classes..
 
user1804599
also why are you implementing connection pooling
 
user1804599
connection pooling software already exists
 
Ven
3:17 PM
sssht. no tears, just dreams.
 
@fredoverflow "C++17 is the best C++ we have ever written so far" is a classic
Classic 2015 marketing
 
Ven
@Jefffrey I can't wait to get my hands on C++20! That unicorn operator is going to be so amazing to use!
 
@Ven We already have operator-->
 
user1804599
Making parsers in C++ is too difficult.
 
"<X> <Last version> is the best <X> we have ever done"
 
3:18 PM
I have 20 figs and 10 are naughty
 
No shit
If that wasn't the case there would be a problem
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey Yes, why else would you do it?
 
Apple is particularly fond of that line
They repeat it like 20 times during a 2 hour even usually
"GUYS WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS HOLD ON"
 
Ven
By the end of an Apple conference, what they presented at the beginning is not even "hype" anymore
 
@Jefffrey You can also use this template for bad things:
 
3:21 PM
@ThePhD <3
 
lol
 
@TonyTheLion <3 <3 <3
 
@Borgleader <3 sup?
 
@AlexM. cough bullshit cough
 
3:22 PM
@Jefffrey along with "and it just works"
 
@Default And "TRASNPARNCEY"
 
user1804599
why is H&amp trending
 
:D
 
@Elyse what exactly is that
 
3:23 PM
@GettingNifty "H&"
 
@TonyTheLion thursday, tired, you?
 
"&amp;" is "&" in HTML IIRC
 
@Borgleader I'm more alive than ever :) <3
 
@TonyTheLion Have you started learning Haskell or something?
 
hi guys
 
3:26 PM
Why would &amp be on a modeling profile
In plain text
 
@fredoverflow hahahah no.
 
@Jefffrey lol, yuck!
 
@Jefffrey ns...
nvm
 
user1804599
@Ven I am thinking of always transforming (\a -> b) c into let a = c in b before type checking. That way, more programs can type check without explicit type annotations.
 
3:29 PM
yeah, I'm not comfortable with tagging NSFW anymore
Since @ScarletAmaranth made a huge deal about it last time
 
Ven
@Elyse cool, go ahead
 
user1804599
In (\a -> b) c, a can't be of a quantified type. In let a = c in b it can.
 
@Jefffrey "ladies"
 
@Jefffrey you assigned an NSFW tag to a lady "eating" a cucumber :P
 
It was intended as sexual arousal :c
Also she was... deep throating a cucumber
@Elyse That's nice
 
3:32 PM
Anyone wanna dovmw a favor
 
@AlexM. Last mission in A+ and then I'll have all achievements in HM :)
 
gg
now get to global elite in CS GO
by solo queueing
 
Ven
rofl
 
How much space would it really take to just encrypt or haah everything without a db
 
Guys I'm thinking about something
 
user1804599
3:35 PM
@Jefffrey What is HM?
 
I mean md5 or pk
 
I love the relational model very much
@Elyse Hotline Miami
 
user1804599
Me too. It's great.
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey y u no hindley milner
 
what
HM isn't hindley milner
it's the hot mom type system
 
3:36 PM
And I was thinking. Wouldn't it be nice to have a compilable programming language that is based on the relational model?
Yes, SQL exists, I know
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey ABAP!
 
Xeo
@GettingNifty Holy shit man, you're annoying. Are you really going to continue spouting random crap in a room where nobody's interested in it? Take a hint. Leave us alone. Any more and I'll just kick you on sight.
 
I don't understand why people would answer a question that has already been answered 3 years ago, in a much better way
 
@Xeo keep calm and plonk :)
 
That's not a satisfying explanation. What happens in the head of the retarded?
@GettingNifty 5 megabytes
 
3:39 PM
@Mr.kbok "if people sort by newest first they'll see my correct answer and be helped by it"
 
@Default s/be helped by it/upvote me hopefully/
 
@Mr.kbok I guess they really really want rep?
 
@Mr.kbok Its called rep-whoring
 
Ven
lol ok, found my lock error. Turns out the base class (that my colleague wrote) didn't have a virtual dtor. Sigh...
 
anything for that sweet sweet rep
 
Ven
3:41 PM
mmmh, rep...
 
@Xeo I think it's just the n-th incarnation of the troll we've been dealing with for a while
 
do they really think they're going to get upvoted? like "here's this 5 page answer with 10k upvotes, I'll add 3 lines of crap that will get sweet rep for sure"
 
Xeo
Maybe we should light the diamond signal
 
user1804599
 
@AndyProwl I just think he's stupid
 
3:42 PM
@Mr.kbok well, the two theories are not incompatible :P
 
@Elyse :D
 
Ven
I fucking love this meme. Keep 'em coming
 
user1804599
I think I will write the compiler in C++ instead of in Lua.
 
lol
 
Ven
3:45 PM
@Mr.kbok I thought the space joke would be about it not fitting XD
 
I took a look at the questions the user has posted, it's not much more quality/effort there.
 
Share the fun, link plz
 
@Ven I like to keep things simple :)
 
> 16:46:24 Build failed in 2m 14s 758ms
well at least it wasn't 2 15
 
think of the nanoseconds
 
3:48 PM
Grace Hopper, that you
 
user image
20
slight variation
 
Guys, do you know when you play FPS and to move left or right you use the mouse?
 
3:50 PM
will inclusion of modules remove the need for inline-ing every non template definition in bloody headers?
 
Right, you can theoretically keep moving left or keep moving right, right?
 
@Jefffrey Huh? Never. I only turn with mouse and move with keyboard.
@Jefffrey Huh?
 
Like, if you keep moving your mouse on the right then you get to make to turn around on yourself
 
user1804599
@ScarletAmaranth Yes.
 
@AndyProwl lol
I smiled wider than usual
GET IT
 
user1804599
3:51 PM
Because modules render headers obsolete.
 
@Elyse ok so only ~5 more years of this bullshit
 
@AlexM. lol
 
@Elyse lol
 
@Elyse wouldn't count on it first iteration(s)
 
Nevermind I got it
 
user1804599
3:56 PM
Is there a C++ parser generator that is not ultimate cuntshit?
 
user1804599
I.e. does not require Java to be installed, does not even have an option to generate non-reentrant parsers, does not depend on shit like unions.
 
@Elyse may I ask what a C++ parser generator is? (nm, googled it)
 
well there is boost.spirit
 
user1804599
Boost.Spirit isn't a parser generator.
 
user1804599
It's a parser composition library.
 
3:57 PM
which ends up generating a parser
 
user1804599
@Default A parser generator that emits C++ code.
 
@ScottW Dunno, I don't do Haskell
 
@ScottW learnyouhaskell ofc
 
user1804599
There is Lemon but I've never used it.
 
user406009
What should a "modern C++ parser generator look like"?
 
user406009
4:03 PM
Are you looking for C++ code to be output?
 
user406009
And std::varaint's to be used everywhere?
 
that was appropriate.
That tagging, that is
 
user406009
@Elyse Also how would you do the annotations in a type safe manner?
 
user1804599
What annotations?
 
user406009
When you do $$ = $1 + $2 or whatever.
 
user1804599
4:05 PM
It's type-checked by the C++ compiler.
 
user406009
Yes, but what should the return type be?
 
user406009
What should the type of $$ be?
 
user406009
(Using bison syntax for the sake of clarity)
 
user1804599
Whatever type you declared for that production.
 
@Lalaland Said no one ever :P
 
user1804599
4:06 PM
I am fine with a lack of type inference for that.
 
user406009
Also, std::variant gets verbose very, very quickly.
 
user406009
Especially when you know that certain cases are impossible in certain contexts.
 
user1804599
Guess I'll just write the parser by hand.
 
user1804599
The grammar is really simple anyway.
 
user406009
I just hope it's LL then.
 
user406009
4:09 PM
LR by hand would be horrible.
 
user1804599
dunno what that means
 
user1804599
The only difficult part is left recursion, but I can just parse that as a sequence and then foldl instead.
 
user406009
Just get rid of the left recursion in your grammar.
 
user406009
Turn it into right recursion.
 
@Lalaland Parser generators (even producing C) have done this for years. Hell, even Bison manages that much.
 
user406009
4:19 PM
I thought bison got away with just sprinkling void* everywhere?
 
Anyone familiar with open gl
 
Ven
opens gl
 
I want to start with a flubber and a game world
 
a flubber?
 
4:29 PM
 
A prim
 
no expansion on imdb links..?
 
I just see such complicated code and I'm always able to simplify it to a few lines
 
user1804599
@Lalaland you have to declare a union with Bison.
 
@GettingNifty you're simplifying your question a bit too much, because I haven't understood any of them today.
 
4:32 PM
@Lalaland You declare a union, and define which member of the union is produced by a particular production (and it enforces it from there).
 
I leave room for details
 
@Default For one-boxing to work, the link has to be the only thing in the message (but that still only works for a subset of links, probably not including IMDB).
 
@JerryCoffin I wrote it without the prefix at first
anyone know the equivalent of the C# new[]{ "something" } in Visual Basic..?
 
@Default Yup. Given that it wasn't getting one-boxed, you probably wanted to write it like: [Flubber](http://imdb.com/title/tt0119137), so it'd be a nice link, like this: Flubber.
 
@JerryCoffin nice trick :) thanks
 
4:40 PM
@Default Somebody undoubtedly does, but it's unlikely anybody here will admit to knowing VB, even if they really do (I certainly don't, but even if I did, I'd probably lie and claim I didn't).
 
darn it
 
Ven
@GettingNifty flubbah was a great shaman.
 
found it though: New type() { type() }
 
Ven
also, a great holypally, but that's even older.
@Elyse Haskell web framework idea: a DAO instance, with stuff like "create :: NotCreated T -> Created T", then when you define the routes, you can pull by-one CRUD routes easily, say all your actions are Request -> Response in Map Route (Request -> Response), you can just expose CRUD actions standalone
no need to decide to either expose all of the CRUD shit or none
 
So, like every web framework ever
Innovative
 
Ven
4:48 PM
@CatPlusPlus thanks!
 
@CatPlusPlus May be time for :ironicat: again.
 
I wonder if there's .cock tld
 
Ven
maybe .block? who's gonna buy cock.block first?
 
@TonyTheLion No, but the Cook Islands is .ck, so you could (at least theoretically) do co.ck.
 
Antitect
No context, just a ~word
 
4:55 PM
@JerryCoffin hehe
 
5:07 PM
bolt.co.ck
Honestly, Firefox 64 bits really makes a difference for some sites. Google Groups was like the slowest thing in the world for no reason, and now it works just fine.
 
Ven
Good thing starring is unlimited.
 
@Ven Its not, you have limited stars you can use in a 24hr period
 
Ven
s/\./ for my purposes./
 
you realize how much coordination that took to make that video
 
5:25 PM
@Morwenn you mean going for the 64bit version, or firefox itself (over some other browser)
 
@thecoshman For the 64-bits version. I don't think I have used other browsers at home in the last 3 years.
Time to beer. See you later.
 
@TonyTheLion Reminds me of a prank somebody pulled on Jon Dvorak years ago. Ran a benchmark, got time. Added a capacitor that (unbeknownst to him) slowed down the system clock, so code ran the same speed, but timer showed fewer seconds. Ran again. Result: he wrote a column about this massive breakthrough that was going to double computer speeds practically for free...
 
5:42 PM
@Ven 20 stars/room/day
 
I wanna learn lisp and/or scheme now
 
@Borgleader Grab Racket and have some fun.
 
@JerryCoffin Thats what hes using in the video.
 
@ᐅJohannesSchaub-litbᐊ Hello.
 
5:51 PM
I can feel the IQ differential watching this, its making me sad
 
@JerryCoffin glad i'm not on your ignores list!
 
@Borgleader Not surprising--it's a pretty decent implementation of Scheme (plus some extras of its own).
@ᐅJohannesSchaub-litbᐊ I don't have an ignore list. I'm not smart enough that I can afford to ignore anybody.
 
@JerryCoffin says one of the smarter persons in the lounge -.-;
 
user1804599
@Ven with type families you can nicely create a generic CRUD class.
 
user1804599
That covers many use cases.
 
@набиячлэвэлиь wow, not-ugly mumble? insane
 
@Mr.kbok lel
It's getting merged as default soon hopefully
 
anyone has neovim?
 
yeah
 
6:10 PM
Oh cool, ST has Vintage mode
 
hmm.. is there anyway i can construct an aggregate with std::make_unique<A> ?
 
@ᐅJohannesSchaub-litbᐊ nope, save for value-init, copy/move etc.
 
say I have a struct node { unique_ptr<node> left; int v; unique_ptr<node> right; } and want unique-ptr it
 
@LucDanton opinion? :D
 
that's a pity. if it is an aggregate, make_unique could use uniform initialization IMO
 
6:13 PM
@ᐅJohannesSchaub-litbᐊ ptr = unique_ptr(new node{nullptr, 69, nullptr});
 
@набиячлэвэлиь i wanted to avoid exactly that repetition of the type (needs <node> there)
 
lol they make you download the binary directly from the CI server
I like that :P
 
@ᐅJohannesSchaub-litbᐊ Not with constructor type argument deduction, it doesn't!
But that's at least C++17
 
i wonder whethher a "make_unique(std::aggregate, ..." could be used to tell it to use aggregate init
 
I don't know how many of you play age of empires 2
 
6:15 PM
@набиячлэвэлиь ah so they get it into c++17, actually?
 
but a new expansion has been released store.steampowered.com/app/355950
 
@Mr.kbok definitely workable for the time being, and the features it brings are surprisingly helpful already (for me that’s truecolor terminal support and :terminal for the time being)
 
@AlexM. I used to play it as a kid, until my christian dad told me it's satanic and did forbid to play it (actually AoE1, it was a very good game)
 
@ᐅJohannesSchaub-litbᐊ I don’t like brace-init syntax in generic contexts. What does std::vector<X> v { 3, 3 }; construct?
 
@LucDanton hmm. i'm using it within a fixed non-generic context
 
6:17 PM
@ᐅJohannesSchaub-litbᐊ s/christian/insane/
 
@LucDanton i understand your argument tho and agree. so if one could explicitly tell it to use brace-init, that would be cool
IMO, a language-wide "aggregate-wrapper" is needed. I understand they don't want to support just brace-init without having the ability to handle nested braces aswell
@JerryCoffin haha, correct
 
@ᐅJohannesSchaub-litbᐊ yeah but from the perspective of implementing/providing a make_unique— 'construct the value from the given arguments' is imo less volatile than 'brace-init a value from the given aruments'
Oct 21 at 12:54, by Luc Danton
@Griwes I use it. I was expecting something entirely experimental and not really working, but it’s actually pain-free. And that’s with the whole Vundle install etc. and so on. Heads-up though Python support is incomplete which means some plugins don’t work at all.
 
@LucDanton they could overload make_unique and provide a template<typename T> make_uinique(nondeduced<T> &&t) overload
which will accept braced init list, but doesn't interfere with normal parameter passing for the variadic overload
 
@ᐅJohannesSchaub-litbᐊ Pre-Niebler I would have embraced that kookery, but now I’m not so sure :)
 
@LucDanton hm what do you mean by pre-niebler
seems i missed something interesting
 
6:22 PM
Does Eric Niebler advocating using functors instead of functions to prevent unwanted ADL ring a bell? if not
one issue is that function templates allow you some form of overloading you can’t do with variable/class templates, e.g. std::get<0> and std::get<int>
@ᐅJohannesSchaub-litbᐊ I think I misspoke and this might be possible after all
it’s all make_unique<gief_type> isn’t it?
 
@LucDanton yes I think so
 
I’ll keep that in mind, maybe I’ll like it
I use aggregates all the time, they’re great
10 hours ago, by Luc Danton
dang extended aggregate init cannot come soon enough
 
Xeo
om nom nom, rib-eye steak
 
6:32 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I have to say I'm impressed with him so far. Let's see if this is a case of new year's resolutions or not (i.e. going to the gym for the first 3 weeks and then stopping)
 
Xeo
@Borgleader You mean like, it's suddenly revealed that all the women in his cabinet have actually been cross-dressing men, just for show? :D
 
@GregorMcGregor here we go
 
@Xeo That would certainly make the news more interesting for a few days
 

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