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user406009
12:08 AM
@sehe Maybe, gasp, it could be an actually new person?
 
I like that owl, so cute & fluffy ... >_<
 
> Have g++ follow the coming C++0x ISO C++ language standard [-std=c++0x]
Code::Blocks, are you even trying?
 
@jaggedSpire Doing a quick check, it's his highest single-day rep gain ever--and more than Mysticial or I has ever gained on one day (though without the rep-cap, I'm pretty sure Mysticial would have that pretty easily).
 
@sehe Going to bed already? :(
Night
I got Runescape spam
are they even trying anymore? lol
 
They never did
 
12:12 AM
@Borgleader Oops. Beaten to it.
 
@Morwenn consulting the magic 8-ball says "no"
@JerryCoffin wow!
 
@jaggedSpire At least the new compiler options dialog is nicer than the old one :D
 
@jaggedSpire how about consulting the magic fur-ball?
 
@Borgleader "signs point to cute"
@Morwenn ...yay?
 
@jaggedSpire I downloaded the most recent nightly build and that's the only changed I witnessed since the December 2013 version.
It seems more stable too.
 
12:17 AM
@TonyTheLion come here and love me
3
 
the nightly build is more stable than the ...December 2013 Stable Release?
 
Yep. They probably fixed things for Windows 10.
 
lol c::B
 
LOL, if you try set options for different compilers, it will try to give every option to every compiler.
 
@CatPlusPlus CodeBlocks is excellent.
 
12:22 AM
@Borgleader that tiger is all "do not want" until the milk bottle comes out
 
I will try Emacs now.
 
Ell
Good on you mate
 
First impression is very good.
 
@user77161 wtf are "affirmative action programs"
 
user406009
12:26 AM
That's a very stupid question. What type of affirmative action?
 
user406009
Race based ones are both stupid and unethical.
 
I vote potato
 
user406009
Income/wealth aa is actually something good.
 
user406009
I think diversity in general is really overrated.
 
user406009
I would much rather work with someone who is competent.
 
12:29 AM
@Ell Any packages you recommend?
 
@jaggedSpire I want to be this hedgehog
 
@Borgleader I imagine that tummy to be velvet-soft
 
Ok, I managed to get it to work
So far it's meh
 
@Ell Do you use GNU Automake or Make?
 
12:34 AM
lol
 
Ell
@Columbo ycmd, projectile
Err lemme think
Neotree
 
@Borgleader They're basically some (advocates say minimal, detractors say not so minimal) degree of discrimination in favor of members of some minority or other. In theory they're usually only supposed to tip the balance in favor of the minority in cases where all else is equal. In reality, all else is essentially never equal, and there are often targets in terms of outcome (e.g., at least N% of your workforce will be composed of minorities within X years).
 
Ell
powerline
whitespace
 
The potato is a lie.
 
Ell
smart tabs
flycheck
company
that's all I have I think
 
user406009
12:35 AM
@JerryCoffin Also people have all sorts of conflicting definitions of AA.
 
user406009
I remember one person claiming that posting job flyers in black neighborhoods is AA.
 
@Borgleader I want to be that ._.
 
@Morwenn Not enough burrito
for you
 
@Ell Wait, at which point is Emacs better than CodeBlocks
Like, what is the objective advantage
 
user406009
You can customize Emacs more.
 
Ell
12:38 AM
Err idk
 
@Lalaland That's because AA isn't one thing--it's a collection of many vaguely similar programs.
 
It can edit text
 
Ell
I havent thought about it that much
Emacs is very established, lots of plugins, probably fewwrr bugs but idk
 
@JerryCoffin Ohhh that, I didnt know what the name of that was in english.
 
Explain to a programmer why a programmable solution might be better
 
12:39 AM
@Borgleader Gimme moar burrito :(
 
How is Twitter UI still garbage to use after so many years
 
@Columbo Meaningless comparison, IMO. Code::Blocks is an editor disguised as an IDE. EMACS is an operating system disguised as an editor.
 
@JerryCoffin So if I need an editor, I want C::B?
:o)
 
user406009
@CatPlusPlus Well, if they change it now they will get untold numbers of complaints.
 
@CatPlusPlus Why is it garbage?
 
user406009
12:40 AM
People don't like change.
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah, that's pretty much it.
 
Open up a thread click accidentally anywhere congratulations you are now somewhere else
Where the thread goes nobody knows
 
Yeah well, Twitter wasn't born for threads
 
user406009
Clearly you don't understand Twitter's prime usecase.
 
And it's still not its purpose
 
user406009
12:42 AM
Posting crap nobody will ever read.
 
^
 
@Columbo Maybe--but EMACS does include editing capability that's pretty formidable (though many dislike the default key bindings, and the accepted jargon appears designed specifically to be as confusing as possible).
 
The ways of the Twitter UI are mysterious, in that they don't exist.
 
Because ignoring what users do is a great design direction
 
@Morwenn got 'em
 
12:43 AM
@JerryCoffin Formidable - like what?
 
user406009
@CatPlusPlus Well, they are losing money.
 
user406009
They just had to fire a bunch of people.
 
@Borgleader is overcome with glee
 
> // create empty array $a
$a = array();
// append two items to it
$a[] = "a";
$a[] = "b";
Wait what
wtf is this bullshit
 
@Borgleader I'll take 4 of those, please.
 
12:44 AM
@Columbo PHP
 
However wide or thick @Puppys language is, PHP is thicker
 
user406009
That's the glory of PHP.
 
user406009
To be fair, it isn't that bad of a syntax for appending.
 
user406009
Those $ signs though.
 
@Jefffrey This is almost worse than JS
 
12:45 AM
You managed to find one of the very few features in PHP that isn't broken
@Columbo What's bullshit about it?
 
You don't need to initialise it first just doing:
$a[] = "a";
$a[] = "b";
is 'fine'.
 
@Danack Do you have some trigger that invokes you when PHP is mentioned?
 
oh my god a language has a feature
and that feature has a syntax
how will i live on
its almost as bad as in operator
 
ITS NOT STRICTLY NECSSEARY
 
12:48 AM
@Jefffrey The fact that = is used for appending elements to an ARRAY
 
It's just syntax
 
I have to admit that you can't really guess what it does if you don't already know.
 
@Jefffrey Yeah, let's make = comparison and == assignment and see how things turn out
 
Being able to guess what a piece of code does without knowing the language is... not very important.
@Columbo That's not an array
 
@Jefffrey No, but that doesn't change the fact that the syntax choice is bullshit, which is what I was referring to in the first place
 
12:50 AM
On a side not, making = assignment was probably a bad idea at the time.
 
There are no arrays in PHP
 
@Jefffrey Oh here we go
 
@Columbo if it helps you parse it, think of it as $a []= "b"; i.e. it's an array append operator.
 
It's not just =
Keep ignoring the rest of the expression
 
@Columbo It's the equivalent of an std::map
 
12:50 AM
oh no syntax
 
pls no
 
And $a[] is implicitly $a[<last integer + 1>]
 
inb4 BUT SYNTAX IS THE UI OF A LANGUAGE
 
and it could be a function!111111
 
And yes, C++ has pretty much the same syntax and semantic
 
user406009
12:51 AM
Syntax is important though.
 
@Jefffrey lolwat
 
This is not an example of bad syntax
 
std::map<int, std::string> map; map[0] = "a";
There, I'm appending with [] and =.
 
@Jefffrey Apart from the fact that a map is called map in here, yeah
 
oh god its called differentlyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
oh noooooooooo
 
12:52 AM
Yes, I might agree that array is badly named.
But you were going on about [] and = for appending.
Don't move the goalpost.
 
std::map is also very badly named I mean it can't lookup directions and cities and roads and stuff
 
@Jefffrey I'll move my ass to bed now
 
Fair enough
 
Ell
@Columbo codeblocks can't do proper c++
can it?
 
@Ell like wha
FUCK GRAMMARLY
 
12:54 AM
@GregorMcGregor That's true though
I don't think syntax is irrelevant. Unless it helps me win an argument.
 
Ell
like parsing c++ and telling you error messages and doing autocomplete n that
"intellisense"
 
i really like lounge programming language design discussion threads [tm]
 
@Ell It does parse C++ and create symbol tables, and it does autocomplete
 
we know
 
@Ell Haha, it barely does syntax highlighting.
 
Ell
12:55 AM
@Columbo with templates n that?
 
@Ell Does Emacs?
 
Ell
@Morwenn u kiddin me bro? wanna fight?
@Columbo yes
 
There's a broken option somewhere to opt-in semantic highlighting.
 
@Ell Jeez I stand in awe mate
Anyway, time to sleep
Have three consecutive lectures tomorrow
 
Ell
@Morwenn what are we talking about here?
 
12:56 AM
Whoever I put on my ignore list last wins 5$
 
Ell
it's just M-X c++-mode
 
@Ell If you want to talk autocompletion, IME it works as well as it doesn't.
 
@Columbo Like fully programmable with an only slightly non-standard Lisp.
 
(it'll be cicada)
 
@CatPlusPlus It's "$5"
 
12:57 AM
it won't be you
 
lol
 
Ell
@Morwenn I mean, are we talking about C::B or emacs?
 
@Ell I'm talking Code::Blocks.
 
@JerryCoffin explain benefits of automation to me like im a progr- oh wait
 
Ell
Ohhhhhhhh
that is were the misunderstanding lies
 
12:58 AM
I miss House
 
Houses are too big, who's got time to clean all that space
 
@CatPlusPlus Do you hate yourself, too?
Just curious
 
Music has ended. It's time to go to sleep for me too.
 
@Morwenn night
 
@Borgleader Thanks brogladder
 
1:03 AM
@Morwenn Not to be mistaken with Blorgbeard
 
posted on November 04, 2015 by Gabriel Ha

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I keep on doing Ctrl+Alt+arrow to switch desktop on Windows. And it flips my screen every goddamn time. Whoever thought this was a useful shortcut exactly??
 
@GregorMcGregor Intel graphics card?
 
I remembered Cube World exists
It still did not update
Good purchase
 
1:09 AM
The creator has been active on twitter
lately
but yes, the updates have been quite sparse
 
It's not a game
The game is only an excuse to make 3d things
 
2 years is not "quite sparse"
 
@GregorMcGregor I think its specific to their drivers, might be you can disable that
 
I think it's pretty clear that the main goal of the author is not to make a game
 
Yeah, it's definitely specific to their drivers.
 
1:10 AM
it's retarded
why put a shortcut for that? nobody uses that feature ever
 
I know, right?
So stupid.
 
might as well put a keyboard shortcut for format disk
hurrrr intel
 
Ha ha!
 
my dad had the same problem, worst is he didnt know the shortcut he dropped something on the keyboard while using the arrows
 
Bloody keyboard shortcuts!
 
1:11 AM
and it flipped his screen
 
My dad broke my laptop.
 
☑ rekt ☐ not rekt
 
@Morwenn night
 
:/
 
@jaggedSpire Just in time, thanks :)
 
1:13 AM
:)
 
@GregorMcGregor It was fun when we were in highschool, but yeah, it's otherwise retarded.
 
what was fun in high school was sshing in all the computers and playing with eject
I remember one time this guy (girl?) had used the CD tray as a plastic cup holder
you know what happened next
 
They died
 
I wish
Stack Overflow is not a code writing service. — Gregor McGregor 12 mins ago
And then someone proceeds to writing the code for free.
10/10 would use SO again, great experience
 
I would downvote but, my rep is multiple of 5 :(
 
Ell
1:17 AM
both of my linux systems are broken
why is my elementary one broken
I've only installed stuff from packages
ughhhh
 
elementary is complete and utter shit
 
Ell
yeah it is
I need to change
 
mint is mostly fine
just avoid cinnamon like the plague
 
Ell
I didn't think the difference between ubuntu based distros could be so much
but apparently it is :V
why avoid cinnamon? I like the interface actually
 
because it's complete and utter shit too
completely unstable
 
1:20 AM
Good eve @all from Antarctica!
 
it breaks so often it's probably accidental that it ever works at all
 
Ell
I used it for a year or two and it's been fine
but I'll heed your advice anyway
 
also not to mention that it's JAVASCRIPT
 
Ell
what DE? LXDE I suppose would be good
 
1:20 AM
well it might have improved
 
Ell
@decltype_auto nice
 
@Ell ?
 
XFCE is as good as it gets for a DE really
 
Ell
I'll DL now
linux mint LXDE version
 
also if you ~really~ enjoy the DE of elementary last time I checked it was being made available in ubuntu packages too
 
1:24 AM
D3DXMatrixScaling'
 
just don't use elementary
 
In the beginning... the GIvers Of Data created the Debian and the GNOME
 
Ell
meh I just wanted an easy thing to install since funtoo on my main machine is fucked
 
some of their apps are fine but their attitude is shit and the distro itself is shit
gentoo is for people like rightfold ie a bad idea
debian master race
and it's EASY TO INSTALL
fedora is fine too, mostly
I hear Arch is also OK but no personal experience on that one
 
A friend of mine just switched from Deb to Arch
has been using Deb for > 10 yrs
 
Ell
1:27 AM
@GregorMcGregor I'm not sure what I did wrong wrt funtoo
my packages are just a bit fucked
 
installing it
 
Ell
that's always the problem though, and idk enough to fix it manually
but I'll get it eventually
and be a better person for it. RIght? :P
 
I have one ArchLinux server.
 
If there was a ranking of distributions by "breaks on its own without doing anything" gentoo would be #1
@decltype_auto and what did he say
 
@Jesse: Apache + Postfix + ... ?
@Gregor: he said Arch is more than enough for him as amateur user
 
Ell
1:29 AM
I had arch for a while
it was alright
 
@ScottW good evenink
 
No, just a light linux.I tried to install our product on it. using jetty
 
Ell
hmm
what do I need to transfer to the new linux o.O
 
What I really like about Debian is that Kerberos install works like a charm; even with LDAP backend.
 
@ScottW in a bit
 
1:33 AM
including all the gssapi developer libs (Perl, python etc)
 
also did distrowatch's layout and CSS get stuck in the 90s or what
 
Ell
are you fkin kiddin me man
my internet dropped
and there is like 1 pixel left on the linux mint iso dl
 
HTTP downloads are resumable if the server and browser supports it
Also good job expressing download progress in terms of pixels
 
Ell
meh it's probably corrupt
I never trust http
but I'll md5 to check anywhoot
 
why would it be corrupt, it's TCP :w
 
1:36 AM
I am not able to understand it. Can you explain it please? — user3851344 37 secs ago
doesnt matter, OP cant even
 
@decltype_auto Like installing is the worst part of Kerberos
 
@Borgleader I want to downvote that answer
 
Ell
@GregorMcGregor idk, bad experiences in the past
 
@GregorMcGregor I.e. yes
 
me too, but that would ruin my rep :(
 
Ell
1:37 AM
namely when I did a "backup" by downloading my dropbox
 
@Borgleader I sacrificed mine
 
Ell
but the download was corrupt :V
 
@Ell bribe it
 
@GregorMcGregor ok me too
 
Ell
I lost many holiday photos :(
 
1:38 AM
@Cat But it's ultimately annoying if that setup fails for any reason.
 
@Ell You break technology
 
Ell
yeah it seems so >.<
 
@decltype_auto Debian is ultimately annoying in enough ways for that to not matter
 
A corrupt HTTP download is very very unlikely
If it's corrupt then it likely doesn't come from the transmission itself
 
@Cat For instance....
 
1:39 AM
@Ell it's a talent! Bid it out for corporate sabotage!
 
There are weird things that can happen in transit and on TCP level
 
I'm not saying that it's impossible just unlikely
 
Ell
@GregorMcGregor idk how it happened, but I had a dropbox.zip which firefox told me was complete
 
@Cat some more details wouldn't kill me.
 
1:40 AM
It may as well come from how the archive was made or whatever
 
Ell
so I proceeded to delete my dropbox stuff (to free space)
 
totally-fine-backup-trust-me.zip
@decltype_auto chat.stackoverflow.com/… have fun
 
Ell
and then a month later when I wanted to view backup I went to unzip and it was broken
I recovered some stuff from zip, but not most
 
Details of Fun Things (tm) are available after clicking on butans
@Ell lol
So you don't even know when that happened
 
Mebby it's a strategy from d-box to encourage you to keep using their service
 
1:43 AM
@Borgleader <3 <3
 
@TonyTheLion <3 <3 <3
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus I suppose some blocks could have corrupted on my hdd
 
"Oh no the archive you downloaded is corrupt! But your files are still safe with us what a coincidence"
 
@Borgleader That was a nice gif
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Dropbox just served shitty zip
 
1:44 AM
That's also my guess
 
Ell
yeah probably
 
Could've been truncated by the server or whatever
Rule 1 of backups: backup you didn't restore-test doesn't exist
 
Ell
yeah >.<
in future I'll check as soon as I do the "backup"
 
@ScottW I said in a bit, I meant in a bit
@ScottW ah, okay
 
@ScottW hahahahahaha
took me a sec
 
1:46 AM
@ScottW sorry cannot, I gotta go to bed
Happy Birthday :)
 
Ell
not sure whether to try to install mint now or in the morning
it's 01:45
 
Happee birthday Scott, my present to you is orange juice
 
Ell
I wonder if I can do it before 02:15
 
@Ell go to bed
 
Ell
okay baus
 
1:47 AM
@Cat I have a rule to give my important boxes names of beautiful ladies to stop me from complaining about system errors. Ever thought about doing sth like that? :)
 
Ell
Night all, speak to you tomorrow :)
 
@Ell more now is less later :3
@Ell night! sleep well
 
@Eli gn
 
@decltype_auto Dumb, counterproductive, ineffective, no
Also fuck Debian
 
@Cat btw - I cleaned up my python mess of lately a bit. Mind have a look?
 
@chmod True. The ice even spreads over to page background of chat rooms in coding services; that's why they're white.
 
Cat's white, he must be ice cold
 
I think Cat is that cool, the sheep count Cat when they want to fall asleep.
 

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