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3:00 AM
lol I have a subscriber on tubyube
 
@CatPlusPlus hehe
It's me, at least one of 'em
 
:26689409
while program:
on interrupt
blink LED
blink LED
blink LED
blink LED
wait for interrupt

hmmmmmm
I guess you always do need some sort of loop.
 
Or a noose
 
So mean.
 
or a moose
 
3:02 AM
Moose will fuck. you. up.
 
or a nose
 
a moose bit my sister once
 
You know what I'll just duplicate the call code
 
user406009
@GregorMcGregor I can verify that Clang 3.5.2-2 accepts the code properly.
 
I really CBA figuring out what's wrong with ~~VS~~
 
user406009
3:03 AM
Don't own MSVC, so can't test with that.
 
@GregorMcGregor Just use the level methods instead of dispatching based on enum?
 
@Lalaland you should download the community edition, just for kicks
 
DNRY Don't Not Repeat Yourself
 
user406009
@jaggedSpire Will it work on Debian?
 
3:04 AM
Yes
 
@GregorMcGregor PRY: Please Repeat Yourself
 
@Lalaland I'm going to assume Cat is not luring you into doom for his own amusement
 
@jaggedSpire Oh but like Tuberculosis: it'll never be gone.
 
that's an unfounded assumption
 
@AnalPhabet CRY
 
3:05 AM
@GregorMcGregor which is what makes it fun
 
in a corner
 
Let's make something in RPG Maker
 
@Nooble :)
 
@LucDanton Can't Repeat Yourself?
 
Hi Scott.
 
3:05 AM
@ScottW heeeeey mumble
 
That depends on whether you have Win98 ISO lying around
 
user406009
@CatPlusPlus We can make Lounge The Game.
 
user406009
Where you try to troll the chat.
 
user406009
When you level up you unlock new features like animated gifs and sockpuppets.
 
3:06 AM
The new RM seems neat
I sense a potential market
 
I wonder whether RM projects can even be worked on concurrently
 
Don't think so
 
LET SEE
I clicked 'manage projects' and it froze up
 
@jaggedSpire gotta say it in german
 
Listing an empty directory is v hard computationally
 
3:08 AM
@Nooble you do it then
 
@CatPlusPlus You can freeze on any number of compooters, so that answers the question
 
@ScottW Mumble oder wir dich töten.
I hope I didn't butcher that tooooo hard.
 
Yep nope everything is unmergeable garbage
 
wow I wrote code that doens't make sense and it compiled
amazing
std::get<Indices>(Args)... wtf
 
it's almost like you're on MSVC2013
 
3:11 AM
wait
 
@ScottW oh well
Mumble anyway
 
no yeah it really doesn't make sense
how does that compile???
 
Template is instantiated?
 
god I forgot how fucking unorganised all this shit is
 
@LucDanton Ah no I commented out the test code
 
Ell
3:12 AM
DISORGANISED!
 
The Editor of Everything
 
@jaggedSpire MUMBLEL
 
Ell
Cat was wrong finally!
It happened
 
Luc Danton remote psychic debugger
10/10 would hire again for free
 
@Ell Unorganised that's what Isaid
 
Ell
3:13 AM
Oh mate
 
@GregorMcGregor cough
 
Ell
You're right
I guess the day will never come
 
Now it says "unused parameter args" although I'm obviously using it
 
GCC is able to do that in very bizarre situations! Or it used to do that, I’d need to check.
 
3:14 AM
What does that even meeeeean
20 years of evolution
 
oh damn what was the 13 liner I used to make MSVC do an ICE that day
 
idk dropbox is blocked at work
 
Single-player parameter, exerience? A modifier for exerience points?
 
MDR
 
3:17 AM
This looks exactly the same as RM2K lol
IT HAS TRADING CARDS
 
Ell
It looks like RPG maker
 
Amazing
But lol they're adding jabbascript I think
To the next 60€ release
 
oh well that will solve everything
 
rubby wasn't good enough
 
user406009
I would take JavaScript over Ruby.
 
3:21 AM
Still better than C++
 
star of truth
god I hate MSVC
but everyone compiles on MSVC, so I have to as well
otherwise they'll be all, "Jagged, your code doesn't compile" and I'll be all "On non-shit compilers it does" and then they won't be amused.
 
@Nooble Would you like to learn about circuits
 
> * Determine if Japanese Mode
 
@VermillionAzure NOT UNTIL I FINISH THIS HOMEWOOORK
 
3:25 AM
@Nooble what is it
 
Inserts random anime
 
@VermillionAzure German
 
At random intervals
 
import tentacles
 
@Nooble Da
oh hey
^1
 
user406009
3:32 AM
@GregorMcGregor For interest's sake, was the use of relaxed atomics valid?
 
user406009
(From last night)
 
@Lalaland I haven't looked into it
 
3:54 AM
@jaggedSpire cute
 
4:07 AM
Laploose trensfarm FTW
 
@VermillionAzure a laploose bit my sister once
 
@jaggedSpire it must be related to the alot
 
JRPGs are so bad
 
@CatPlusPlus BUT FRIENDSHIP
and HAIR COLOR
 
@GregorMcGregor dank
made me laugh out loud +1 stars for you
 
4:10 AM
@VermillionAzure Eh?
 
@CatPlusPlus Dude JRPGs are like super big on Asian tropes
Like friendship and the hair colors and the world-crushing conspiracies and stories
 
Halloween in Japan. Some crazy stuff there.
 
Whatever, they're bad
 
@CatPlusPlus Why are they bad? Is it the cringe or the stale gameplay?
Or the terrible English voice actors?
 
@VermillionAzure no dubs for you
 
4:14 AM
@jaggedSpire I'M REALLY FEELING IT though
 
@VermillionAzure no dubs
 
A-HA-HA-HA-HA! A-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA ~Yuna
ROCK AND ROLL! ~FFXIII Type-0
 
4:27 AM
 
hello
 
@jaggedSpire right, just checking that one out
 
could someone explain to me what an unresolved external is?
unresolved external symbol** Im assumming it has something to do with an operator symbol?
 
@StanleyDharan linker error
 
@jaggedSpire is that something that can happen when you overload an operator incorrectly?
 
4:30 AM
@StanleyDharan eeeeeh, it happens when you don't link your program properly. You're using multiple source files?
 
@jaggedSpire yah, I have a cpp, a header and a main
 
where is the operator defined, and where is it declared?
 
@jaggedSpire its for a lab, I got everything to work but when I tried compiling it, it gave me these 2 weird errors I never seen before
operator overload is defined in the header, defined it in the cpp
 
@StanleyDharan do you have something like myfoo operator+(myfoo a, myfoo b); in the header, but with different types?
 
yah, well most of them have a return type of the class reference, and also an ostream reference
ill show you sec
 
4:33 AM
they don't return two things
 
oh no
sec
 
don't post your code here, put it in pastebin or something
and then post a link
 
yah I do that usually
but the only time I have 2 parameters is when I friend the operator
my prof said its bad to use friend but he made an exception for this lab
 
yeah that happens. Check your function signatures.
 
function signature meaning the parameters correct?
 
4:36 AM
by the way, declaring a function is different from defining it.
 
oh did you want to see the definitions too?
 
@StanleyDharan and the return value, and a few other things you probably don't know yet
 
@ScottW hello
 
no, I just want the part before the curly brackets {}
 
@jaggedSpire okay, theres no errors there, like it seems fine but when I compile i get that linking error
@ScottW 100% remember this
 
4:38 AM
@StanleyDharan no, compare the signatures.
 
Second time I get hit on by a waiter in a restaurant
 
@GregorMcGregor you're too sexy for your shirt/waitstaff
signatures being ReturnType functionName(paramtype1 param1, paramtype2 param2). Compare the declaration ( ; after the signature) and the definition ( { stuff } after the signature)
 
@jaggedSpire yah everything matches up
 
then are you compiling the .cpp file with your project?
 
#include <myfile.cpp>
 
4:42 AM
yup
 
@GregorMcGregor you monster
 
you have a point though
 
thats the error
I have a feeling it has something to do with the ostream
 
did you know that you often have to write std::forward_as_tuple(std::forward<Xs>(xs)...)? would you prefer forward_as_tuple<Xs>(xs...) instead?
 
4:43 AM
oh nice, he's having you learn namespaces right off
@LucDanton yes
 
yah, i was told the std:: thing is redundant since we use std namespace in the cpp
 
more importantly you're putting your stuff in namespaces, yes?
 
@jaggedSpire and yah, i actually dont know how to use c++ without namespaces
 
sict
 
@LucDanton it breaks my workflow!
 
4:45 AM
@GregorMcGregor what does?
 
school of information computing technology, sict LOL
 
I configured emacs to interpret the keys std::forward as a rapid increase in CPU temperature to warm up my keyboard and hence my hands when I feel cold
etc
 
@GregorMcGregor you are a legend
 
nice
party of 3
 
4:47 AM
it works because I am of the opposite sex
of some other TBD sex
 
> How many times a day do you want to say "percent equals" or "tilde ampersand," rather than "centis" or "sigpam"? Worse, you may not spend a lot of time reading code out loud, but when you read your brain still thinks the sounds.
Urbit devs still crazy
 
> Urbit is a decentralized computing platform built on a clean-slate OS.
How I read that: Urbit is something based on some Linux variant.
 
Oh no no no
That would not be insane enough
 
from their website I have even less information on what it is than before you mentioned them
 
> Urbit is a clean-slate system software stack defined as a deterministic computer. An encrypted P2P network, %ames, runs on a functional operating system, Arvo, written in a strict, typed functional language, Hoon, which compiles itself to a combinator interpreter, Nock, whose spec gzips to 340 bytes.
 
4:52 AM
wtf this intro
 
Urbit is the weed I smoked last night
 
how high were they when they wrote this README
 
> More broadly, Urbit's network tackles identity and security problems which the Internet can't easily address. Programming for a deterministic single-level store is also a different experience from Unix programming, regardless of language.
 
@StanleyDharan seriously the FAQ is super helpful--I can't really help with linker errors beyond "check this" and "did you do that", and it lists off all the possibilities for you, after explaining what linker errors are.
 
Much like there’s not even wrong, we seem to have discovered not even wat!
 
All of their files are random 4 letter words
 
no it hurts
 
this has to be a elaborate troll
 
Ha ha you think their C is bad
 
4:54 AM
=+ ^= wol ^- wall
 
 switch ( hoz ) {
        case c3y:  acc = u3nc(u3nc(u3k(u3h(a)), u3h(acc)), u3t(acc));
                   break;
        case c3n:  acc = u3nc(u3h(acc), u3nc(u3k(u3h(a)), u3t(acc)));
                   break;
 
is this a joke
 
This is the language they invented
 
I can’t stop laughing
 
4:55 AM
Actually I picked a wrong one, this one has some strangely readable jabbascript embedded
 
what is after line 230 and before 343
 
@CatPlusPlus hardcoded favicon help
 
none of this makes sense
 
4:56 AM
@Rapptz Nope it's the buttcoin of programming
 
oh good there’s some embedded JS
 
I'm so confused
 
I am 23 and what is this
 
> Spans are an exception to concrete style, because they use "manual laziness" to define logically recursive structures. A recursive span contains Hoon code which is evaluated to apply it. In practice, this noun often contains the entire Urbit kernel, so you wouldn't want to try to print it in the dojo.
 
@Rapptz z is for zave
 
4:58 AM
> After seeing a few span examples, are we ready to describe the set of all spans with a Hoon mold? Well, no, but let's try it anyway. Ignore the syntax (which we'll explain later; this is a tutorial, not a reference manual), and you'll get the idea:
++  span
  $%  [%atom p=@tas]
      [%cell p=span q=span]
      [%cube p=* q=span]
  ==
Source: actual documentation urbit.org/docs/dev/hoon/tutorial/0-nouns
 
is this a dumb lisp
 
> Nouns are Lisp's S-expressions, minus a lot of hacks, tricks, and features that made sense 50 years ago.
 
trick question, everything is a dumb lisp
 
No this is dumber lisp
 
oic
 
5:00 AM
Except also statically typed
Probably
> How do you print an atom if you don't know whether it's a string or a number?
 
wot
 
> Most peoples' experience is that the language is much easier to learn than it looks.
 
is atom hoon slang for fundamental type
 
> One obstacle to learning Hoon is that it has two quite distinct concepts that might equally be called a "type." Worse, most other typed functional languages are mathy and share a basically mathematical concept of "type." Hoon does not have this concept at all. We can't avoid using the T-word occasionally, but it has no precise meaning in Hoon and can be extremely confusing.
Just read it
 
...so it works off of ill-defined concepts
 
5:01 AM
I'd quote the entire thing anyway
> In Hoon, we have one function jam that converts any noun to an atom, and another cue that inverts jam.
 
no but if I read it myself I can't imagine you reading it and growing increasingly irate/amused.
 
I'm getting contact high off this internet document
 
read as "another cue that invents jam"
 
> For instance, "=+", which more or less declares a variable, is "tislus." A lot of things like "=+" also start with "=", ie, "tis." You wind up learning about a hundred of these digraphs or "runes," which is a lot less than, say, Chinese.
 
was temporarily distracted by thought of delicious fruit substance.
 
5:04 AM
Is this some kind of TempleOS competitor
 
> Believe it or not, at this point we understand nouns completely.
 
oh excellent they're making the human names for these things based off of 16th century words
 
> In the next chapter, we'll see how Hoon expressions (twigs) turn one noun into another.
 
they’re twigs cus you make trees out of them
geddit
 
no, because I refuse
 
5:05 AM
and then you leaf and never come back
 
ayyyy
 
But nobody came
> What you'll find if you look at Hoon is about 100 combinator runes, which are digraphs like "%=" ("centis") or "|-" ("barhep").
 
@GregorMcGregor it does give that vibe
 
> A pier is an Urbit virtual machine that hosts one or more Urbit identities, or ships. When you run bin/vere -c, it automatically creates a 128-bit ship, or submarine.
 
5:06 AM
whatthefuck
 
> We're at a pretty shallow level of disagreement here, because you'd just add descriptive names to the combinator definitions. I'm not sure this would improve the learning curve much if at all, but it couldn't hurt much either.
@GregorMcGregor They basically doing the buttcoin here afair and there's this whole network of Things that run code and you can lease a piece of Thing to run your code and I don't know
i dont know
 
Yeah it seems like a very elaborate scam or sth
 
> We're not trying to be intentionally obtuse. In general, we try to only create new names when the old names are for a sufficiently different concept.
 
I'm suspicious
 
what's tilde ampersand?
I mean in programming
I don't think I've ever seen ~&
seems like a weird example
 
5:09 AM
They're definitely insane
 
@Rapptz A little malformed spermatozoid
 
It has docs for user side urbit.org/docs/user/intro
But seriously those fucking 4 letter words
EVERYWHERE
 
> .. anyway, that got wordy. Point is, almost every sentence in this article confuses me further, instead of confusing me less. There are no 'ah-ha' moments. It's just "huh?" after "huh?".
 
@CatPlusPlus oh, I notice some of the sensible wording comes from feedback here
 
have you noticed how all these 4 letter words start with a different letter
a, b, c, d ...
 
5:11 AM
the real wtf here
 
hello autocomplete
 
is how many people in HN are genuinely interested in this
 
> Urbit is semi-decentralized: it overlays a 64-bit hierarchical structure on the low end of a 128-bit fingerprint namespace. If you have an invitation, it's a ticket that lets you create a 32-bit plot, aka planet. If you don't have an invitation, you have to create a 128-bit plot, aka comet.
It names. every. fucking. thing.
> Urbit address space is cryptographic property, like Bitcoin, but Urbit doesn't use a blockchain. Plots are digital land, not digital currency; you own your urbit cryptographically, but you don't get it by mining.
There it is, there's the buttcoin
 
> 42 and 0x2a are actually the same noun, because they're the same number. [...] But semantically, 42 has a decimal span and 0x2a hexadecimal, so they print differently.
 
@GregorMcGregor well… judging from one of the commits Rapptz digged up I’d wager they started as one letter, then were improved upon!
 
5:14 AM
They ran out of letters
 
lol
 
> Dojo expressions are like (add 2 2) -- they simply compute and print a value, without any side effects, from a twig of Hoon.
I CANNOT TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY
 
you're going to use this as a source of jokes for a while yet aren't you
 
@LucDanton wow you're right
 
> In a last resort, Urbit's own official planet ~magwyd-lorsug is also bound to just plain urbit.org, and hosts the public docs here. Always trust content from ~magwyd-lorsug!
 
5:18 AM
no
I refuse
 
It has planets, stars and galaxies
 
the content of your food, for instance, is of questionable integrity.
 
I don't know what stars and galaxies are
 
neither do they, so it's all good
 
But all of this gets you a static HTML page (maybe) published (perhaps)
 
5:20 AM
...what do you have to do for better than that?
 
Almost as many features as Xanadu!
 
What u xanadu about it
 
lol
bedtime
night
 
> In a righteous world, the password would be (or default to) your initial ticket. Since the world is lawless and filled with evil, just hit return and send a empty password. The real password will be printed on your console.
 
have fun tearing hoon apart.
 
5:21 AM
> The fanciest way to control your urbit is through Urbit itself: a moon, or satellite urbit. Sadly, only planets can have moons.
Sadly
 
funnily enough some of the subject matter Urbit intends to tackle (but only some of it, because it’s very ambitious) is of interest to some members of the Haskell community
 
> %clay is a typed, global revision-control system. Or in other words, a typed, global referentially transparent namespace. It's difficult to understate how awesome this is.
I read that as 'understand'
 
so did I
 
kinda at a loss for words as to how to describe that subject matter (I think all those words did things to my brain), so here goes
 
> The top three knots in a %clay path are /plot/desk/case, where plot is of course an urbit; desk is a branch name; and case is a revision identity, which is either (a) a label, (b) a date, or (c) a change number. For obscure reasons, this prefix is called the beak.
> The rest of the path, or spur
aaaa make it stop
> More about desks and marks
 
5:26 AM
Chapter 4: skids and cunts
 
> A %this merge
> A %that merge
> A %fine merge
> For %meet, %mate, and %meld merges
llafffo
 
my head
 
5:45 AM
My GCC snapshot accepts std::tuple<int> x = 0;
 
But does your deity
 
@LucDanton tolerance is the motto of our century
 
yep conditional explicit is implemented
I wonder where that’s from, I thought it was experimental/tuple or something
 
it is very early
did you not go to bed?
 
The get<int> etc. overloads are not SFINAE friendly ._.
 
5:57 AM
people posting shit on /r/programming
and getting upvotes
makes sense
 
@GregorMcGregor Redundant
 
I've been having some issues playing around with the portaudio library on my linux system (audio underflows, with distorted audio)
 
@avitex try using unsigned audio
 
I did restort to just trying out the examples, but they didn't work either.
@GregorMcGregor Could you elaborate a little more sorry? :)
 

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