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2:02 PM
So, who is giving up bacon in the Lounge?
 
user406009
Well, I don't really eat bacon, so I gave it up before it was cool.
 
Same. I eat it really sporadically, so it will be hilarious when I find out that I am a proud owner of butt cancer with my luck.
 
Ven
@chmod711telkitty I'd have hoped your brain got 777'd
 
I don't eat bacon that often (~once every few weeks) so it shouldn't make a difference whether I keep eating some or not.
 
@Ven Yeah, just leave her be, robot is right.
 
Ven
2:05 PM
why is the discussion about bacon?
 
bacon gives you butt cancer
 
@Ven Bacon is bad for your health, study says.
 
Ven
@ElimGarak dunno what robot said, but I might agree
 
user406009
Studies also demonstrate that water is wet.
 
2:06 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes did you see that? Is it interesting for "us"?
 
Ven
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's a given, isn't it? how bad is it actually?
 
@Ven butt cancer
 
user406009
@Ven It was a minor, but provable, risk factor for cancer.
 
Ven
@ElimGarak do you have a link to the article you all read?
 
I am willing to read the paper on it, but I only saw a news headline on the topic (not a big fan of media). So, right now, it's a big joke to me. It will turn to sheer terror if I read the paper and find it plausible.
 
2:08 PM
It's, as usual, overblown by media.
The WHO put bacon in the same category as tobacco, cue Internet ablaze.
 
user406009
> The experts concluded that each 50 gram portion of processed meat eaten daily increases the risk of colorectal cancer by 18%.
 
user406009
But, cancer!
 
WHO categories are about certainty of carcinogenicity, not risk of cancer.
@ElimGarak Paper is under a paywall in The Lancet.
 
I will continue living on the edge; eating bacon
 
@Lalaland wow. That's awesome. So, you only need ~695g to literally 10-fold multiply the risk of cancer (that's 1000%!)
 
2:13 PM
@sehe Er, no.
 
I know. But the way it was phrased/quoted is ridiculous
 
Also, normal risk is 5%.
5 * 1.18 = 5.9.
 
5% * 10 = 50% :)
 
5% is too damn high
 
You can donate your own bacon
 
2:15 PM
> radiofrequency electromagnetic fields and the prescription drug digoxin are each classified in Group 2B
I thought EM waves were group 1
the more you know
 
What's group A?
 
I eat only chicken white meat, prepared in compliance for my diet (so less on the delicious side)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes sorry
 
is pizza red meat
 
@Mr.kbok According to radiophobes, maybe.
Hell with radiophobes.
 
2:16 PM
@sehe if you eat 700g of bacon each day you probably have other health issues than cancer
 
lel. Finally someone who spotted it
 
user406009
@Mr.kbok Polar bears need a lot of fuel for those harsh winters.
 
I just took the 1.18-log of 10
@Lalaland and ozon layer faps gaps increase baseline risk
 
you can't go much further though (no one can eat 10kg of bacon each day!)
...I hope
 
You've not been to murica
 
2:18 PM
@Mr.kbok You can if you die on the first one (likely, no?)
 
user406009
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger larger.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes not sure if you can even the first day. remember 100 quacks?
 
This just in, Nutella gives you balls cancer
 
why is the starboard so shitty today?
 
It's still one more monday before friday.
 
user406009
2:21 PM
If only we still had StarGazer ...
 
rainy day
@ElimGarak nut cancer
 
I think that was his point
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes also found this: CPM seems to have a nice existing feature set w.r.t. comparative benchmark scenarios. You might glean some ideas there for Nonius
 
Let's play a little game, guess which lounger gets cancer first because fuck life. Medical advancements mostly revolve around inventing ways of diagnosing you with more shit they can't fix.
 
2:24 PM
@ElimGarak really
 
Truthfully, I'd rather not know if something is going to kill me. Let it be a surprise.
 
user406009
@ElimGarak This sounds like a worse game than "Spot the Vlad"
 
One of the things that terrified me as a child was perceiving that all medical solutions which don't involve your body doing the brunt of the work involve: chopping stuff off, pulling things out, cutting things out, amputating stuff.
 
@ElimGarak If it can be avoided at a cheap cost, then I'd rather know.
 
If... With the important stuff you mostly hear "I'm truly sorry"
 
2:27 PM
@ElimGarak Yeah, I don't like mutating solutions either.
 
user406009
Nah, I would want to know if something is going to kill me.
 
user406009
That's when I go to Vegas and have the time of my life.
 
Can you have the time of your life with all the anxiety?
 
spend everything
 
@sehe Nice, thanks.
 
2:29 PM
doctor calls you and tell you he messed up with the files and you're perfectly fine
classic movie plot
 
user406009
@ElimGarak With enough drugs, everything is possible.
 
Xeo
"Ta-da!" the phycisist said, proudly. The sociologist stared. "What... is that?" "A perfectly spherical human of uniform density." "Why?"
2
hahaha
 
@Mr.kbok I'd probably kill him afterwards.
And his entire family and skin his cat.
 
skin his entire family
 
user406009
@ElimGarak You simply have to give him cancer.
 
user406009
2:31 PM
Tit for tat.
 
Man, cancer is scary.
 
You're being psychopats again .__.
 
I blame GTA and Obama.
 
psychopats?
 
People are already uniformly dense
 
2:36 PM
sociopath, an app for finding your path in the social circles... With a chainsaw.
 
@CatPlusPlus Are they? Some have particularly sparse head region, if you catch my drift.
 
Ell
hey my btrfs snapshot saved the day
 
@wilx Just under 1500 K?
 
You guys should all play Undertale.
 
user1804599
@ScarletAmaranth yes
 
2:44 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Undertale is the best.
 
damn I could be the first one to recommend it
 
Ell
err
 
missed my occasion
 
Ell
wtf where'd my other snapshots go :O
 
Ell
2:46 PM
they're in the aether
 
If I was a bad owner, I'd pin my recommendation of Undertale.
 
Lol, I just realized that I actually discovered a new merging network when I implemented the sorting network of size 24.
I don't even.
 
@EtiennedeMartel the best part of this game is that it will find a way to surprise you, sooner or later
 
I'm not even done with it and my mind has already been blown. Several times. My heart as well.
I've never been that excited about a game since EarthBound.
 
Aaaannnd, I have to decline yet another job offer ç_____ç
But no thanks, I didn't want to move to Belgium :(
 
2:53 PM
@Morwenn Beers and chocolate!
 
@Rerito We already have fine beer in Brittany.
 
...And chocolate... Clate... Late...
 
And I like the darkest chocolate, so who produced it doesn't really matter since it just tastes dark.
Oh, and we already have world-champion chocolate makers in Brest too.
 
Things that irk me #531: people simulating echoes in writing by dropping letters in ways that change the sounds.
:P
 
EEEECHHHOOOOOO
 
2:55 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes There, edited just for you :p
 
@Rerito Keep going!
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus I don't get what's funny about it.
 
@Morwenn Does Brittany get drunk often?
 
inb4 #532: people simulating echoes in writing by dropping letters in ways that change the spelling
@Borgleader Lots of drunkards yes
 
@Rerito Nah, "late" doesn't rhyme with "chocolate" :(
ləɪt vs -lət
 
user1804599
2:58 PM
Except in Australia.
 
But chocolate always arrives late (in your mouth).
 
@Borgleader Bretons have a reputation for that.
 
user1804599
@EtiennedeMartel So does cocklet.
 
user1804599
@Xeo I don't get it.
 
user1804599
> I really thought cannibalism was the one crime I’d never end up committing.
 
3:01 PM
A spherical cow is a humorous metaphor for highly simplified scientific models of complex real life phenomena. The implication is that theoretical physicists will often reduce a problem to the simplest form they can imagine in order to make calculations more feasible, even though such simplification may hinder the model's application to reality. The concept is well enough known that it is sometimes referred to in scientific discourse without explanation. == DetailsEdit == The phrase comes from a joke that spoofs the simplifying assumptions that physics students are taught to use as they approach...
 
user1804599
:(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Reminded me of this
 
uh this code is so broken
 
user1804599
Rewrite it.
 
@AlexM. I never tried it on anything but VS2015
 
Ell
3:07 PM
cp: cannot create regular file ‘/home/elliot/lab/assignments/triangle/.git/objects/7b/eeea5d811f3d34b36c21060ee‌​bae51d8784fab’: Permission denied
I wonder why this is o.O
 
user1804599
Because the file is read-only!
 
user1804599
Which is good; Git objects should never be mutated.
 
Ell
but I am copying :O
I guess cp is trying to overwrite
but that oughtn't be a problem if the file is read only
 
user1804599
SSCCE.
 
Ell
cp /backup/triangle/.git/objects/7b/eeea5d811f3d34b36c21060ee‌​bae51d8784fab ~/triangle/.git/objects/7b/eeea5d811f3d34b36c21060ee‌​bae51d8784fab
^this for instance
Surely it should be Operation not permitted though
ah well it's prolly fine :V
 
user1804599
3:10 PM
cp copies to the last argument.
 
Ell
right
that's what I want
 
user1804599
Add backup as a remote and use git fetch.
 
Ell
I'm actually doing cp -Pr /backup ~/
 
user1804599
Don't change Git repositories with commands other than git.
 
Ell
well backup contains a load more stuff than just git repos
I suppose though I should use rsync
or somesuch
 
user1804599
3:11 PM
eww PostgreSQL
 
user1804599
array_agg, json_agg, xmlagg :(
 
array_egg
 
Does anyone have any recommendations for programming podcasts?
 
user1804599
Yes: don't listen to them.
 
Or YouTube videos I can get away with just listening to?
Like maybe an interesting interview?
 
user1804599
The slides are too cryptic anyway.
 
Thanks @Elyse
 
user1804599
This one is even better.
 
user406009
@caps most programming languages have conferences.
 
user406009
3:17 PM
I would recommend the videos for your favorite language's conferences.
 
@Elyse meh, this one is rather basic; but the lambda cape is cool
 
@Morwenn Since you're into sorting stuff, do you know approx after how many elements it becomes more interesting to do a linear search than a binary search? I could benchmark myself but trying with you first :p
 
Ell
@Elyse radix sort sounds the coolest
 
@GregorMcGregor there is no answer to this
 
@GregorMcGregor I don't really know, it probably depends partly on the size of the cache lines.
 
3:21 PM
64b
 
user406009
And the cost of the comparisons.
 
pdqsort uses a linear insertion sort under 24 elements.
My mergesort uses the same linear insertion sort under 40 elements.
 
Ell
bubble sort reminds me of a spinning coin
 
But to be honest, I didn't even time the binary insertion sort. I thought that it was probably not worth it when there are few elements.
 
Ell
wtf is bitonic sort
 
3:23 PM
Also, it depends on the type to be sorted, the collection you're using and the cost of the comparison.
@Ell A soritng algorithm designed to create sorting networks.
 
@Ell basically GPUs use it to sort things :P
 
@Morwenn We care about nanoseconds :w
 
@GregorMcGregor then why don't you bloody measure
 
Because I'm lazy but I will
It doesn't cost to ask first
 
you're asking a qustion that has no answer
 
3:25 PM
yes teach me about performance please
 
you clearly don't know much about it if you ask a question that's dependent on the architecture you're asking and hoping to get a concrete answer
 
@GregorMcGregor What are you using the linear/binary search for?
 
Find an element in a sorted collection knowing that there is 90% chance that it's within the 5 first elements
 
do people use branchless sorts on gpus?
 
user406009
Then just look at the first five elements first?
 
3:28 PM
@Mr.kbok yes of course
@Lalaland lol
never thought of that!
 
Meh, do you really care about the remaining 10%? ._____.
 
not sure if sarcastic or
 
@Morwenn Those need not be the actual numbers, that's why I'm wondering after how many elements deep it's better to fallback to binary
@milleniumbug As a general rule I am rarely if ever sarcastic
 
@GregorMcGregor start by doing a linear search over the first five elements. if it's not found, fallback on executing the algorithm on the yet unsearched elements
 
You know what
Just forget it
 
3:32 PM
11
Q: Should I make tea for everyone in my open plan office?

JakeI work in a reasonably small open plan office with around 20 people. For context, if it's relatively quiet, you can hear everyones' conversations. General etiquette says that when I want a tea (or coffee) then I should ask my colleagues and get a round in. However, what is the limit? Just ask t...

 
> P.S. I am British.
 
@JohanLarsson works perfectly
can't take the time to upgrade to VS 2015 atm but I can kill the process every time VS gets slow
so it's useful
thanks!
 
user406009
@GregorMcGregor you can use SIMD to do multiple comparisons at once as well.
 
@Mr.kbok Problems of people not using chat
 
@GregorMcGregor It will really depend on the type and the domain. You can't have a generic answer there.
 
3:34 PM
@CatPlusPlus problems of people not using brain dot stackexchange dot com
 
Well that's every question on that site
 
Asylum<Workspace.SE>
 
Honestly, when you have more than 2 elements to search, binary searching will perform less comparisons, so if the comparison compares the universe, binary search will be better for 3 elements and more.
 
user1804599
@Mr.kbok I would not appreciate; I hate tea.
 
I just spit water everywhere
 
3:36 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes :|
 
@GregorMcGregor well that's because you're a potatoer
 
@Lalaland of course. C++ videos are my "go-to", but usually you need to see some of the slides.
 
user406009
@Elyse I used to hate tea. Then I learned that I just hate black tea.
 
racist
 
user1804599
That's racist.
 
user1804599
3:37 PM
I at least hate all tea equally much.
 
user406009
@caps oh, you are looking for audio only.
 
user1804599
Grape juice (not rape jews) is much better.
 
guys, remember the psa
 
@Morwenn In return for fewer comparison, however, you give up linear access, and deciding where to look next is extra work. Simple rule of thumb: you generally only gain enough to notice when/if you're reasonably assured that you avoid loading at least one cache line from main memory.
 
user406009
What psa?
 
3:38 PM
The PSA.
 
@AlexM. We might do a trial of mouse support for the next build; dunno how it'll work, the only options I see are "sucks" or "too precise" :/
 
@Lalaland this PSA
 
@Morwenn Oh, and if you actually have enough elements for a binary search to make a big difference, you'll probably be better off with an interpolating search anyway.
 
greetings gangstahz
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah, that's why I said that there was no generic answer :/
 
3:42 PM
@GregorMcGregor How do you know it's likely to be close to the beginning? Can you do an interpolation to get a better guess at the location than just assuming the middle of the un-searched portion each time?
 
@Lalaland that's correct
@Griwes can't figure out how to do that on mobile
 
Don't mobile, then!
hides
 
user406009
@Griwes how else will we slack off then?
 
Still unable to properly implement an odd-even merge. I'm sad again :'(
 
@Griwes It does seem pretty sad to me. Virtually every time we switch platforms (desktop to web, web to mobile) we gain some convenience in access, but seem to lose at least as much in other directions, so we rarely do much better than breaking even overall.
 
3:49 PM
fail
 
@fredoverflow: You feel like reviewing some Kotlin code?
0
Q: Stateless 2048 Game

IAEI created a little Kotlin clone of the 2048 game that is playable in the console. My goals were readability and statelessness for no other reason than practice. Consider it a code kata wherein I didn't want to mutate the original grid, instead returning a new permutation for every operation. To ...

 
4:03 PM
@CatPlusPlus don't worry too much, I feel that as your playerbase grows very few players will use the gamepad
it's normal to see this reaction I think, you're releasing a PC game and not considering PC's natural peripherals
 
otoh people will probably complain that it's OP and unbalanced :v
Eh, the implementation shouldn't take too long, we'll see
 
inb4 it takes forever
 
user1804599
> Tips for throwing the perfect Halloween party

Tell your guests they should have outgrown Halloween at least 10 years ago and send them home.
 
@CatPlusPlus Well, Worms was played with mouse and keyboard, right?
 
Yes but there is a random precision factor in the power of shots
 
4:10 PM
Worms is turn-based, so you can share one keyboard and mouse
 
Ah, right.
 
Doesn't work for real-time, and while we could probably wrangle support for multiple keyboards and mice, who has that even
(Windows' Raw Input should support this, dunno about Linux and OSX)
Steam forums really need a preview feature
Where the nested list goes nobody knows
 
user1804599
Lua vs Tcl can't decide.
 
user1804599
Which of the 10000 dialects?
 
4:16 PM
Common Lisp or Racket
 
user1804599
No.
 
Racket.
Racket's good.
 
user1804599
Lua it is.
 
Ell
Can anyone recommend a cheap cheap cheaaaaap VPS purely for reverse tunnelling ssh?
 
DigitalOcean
 
Ell
4:26 PM
cool
 
It's crazy
I can't find any cinema within a 2 hours radius that ever gives Star Wars The Force Awakens in the original version
 
2 hours radius considering what speed :D?
 
130 km/h
 
that's strange
 
Only 2 cities in the whole Italy: Milano and Pordenone
I'm right in the middle between the two
:c
 
4:43 PM
Who doesn't love a bit of browser issues in the morning?
Where "a bit" = "failed to update, started bluescreening on loading YT and every tab crashes after reinstall"
 
Let me guess the browser
Firefox
 
my diagnostic is that your computer is haunted
 
Developer Edition, correct @Jefffrey
 
No wonder it's the most disappointing browser since 2010
 
I prefer it to its competitors
 
4:46 PM
-12
Q: Which for is faster? the one ascending or descending

xyzI always wanted to know if it's a difference between 2 fors. My example: for(int i = 0; i < 1000001; i++) //do code for(int i = 1000000; i >= 0; i--) // do same code Which one is faster and why?

 
@AnalPhabet what else did you expect
"developer edition"
 
Not being able to understand why something doesn't work is tiring.
 
being brogramer is suffering
 
@Morwenn I totally agree with you
 
@TonyTheLion <3
 
4:52 PM
anybody tried the stack haskell "platform" yet? does it really manage to isolate the environment?
 
@Morwenn <3
 
I don't really want to go to SO and ask « This is my code! It doesn't work! PLZ HAPL!!!! » but this is really how I feel right now.
And I already almost earned a tumbleweed for my previous question.
 
this is a problem with SO
n00bs post bad questions, experts post questions nobody can answer
 
Lol, « experts ».
 
in 2 years this site will be reduced to people asking about language syntax
 

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