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user1804599
12:00 PM
@GregorMcGregor Haskell <3
 
Oh wow, clang's -Weverything includes -Wc++98-compat.
I.e. it's even more annoying than I expected.
 
user1804599
why would it not?
 
user1804599
It is more surprising if it omits non--Wno -W flags.
 
hey, it’s got everything
 
@Elyse Because it might simply end up being unusable when they add -Wc++11-compat, for example.
 
12:04 PM
And -Wc++03-compat. :P
...and probably -Wc++11-compat...
 
user1804599
Ask for everything, get everything.
 
I don't see how that matters. My point is that it ends up being a curio and not something anyone would seriously use.
 
I’ve always thought it was that
 
user1804599
Then it should be called -Walmost-everything.
 
i.e. the ultimate 'please shut up' to all the 'but wher 2 enabl all warnings' questions
 
user1804599
12:06 PM
-Wa-lot
 
user1804599
-Wbukkake
 
@wilx Have you read his non-SF stuff too?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nope. I generally do not read much of non-SF stuff.
 
The Wasp Factory is great.
 
user1804599
What is SF? Server Fault?
 
user1804599
12:09 PM
Oh, sci-fi.
 
user1804599
Science Fault and Server Fiction.
 
S(afe) F(light)
 
@TonyTheLion Good morning sunshine <3
 
@Borgleader good morning <3
 
user1804599
@thecoshman yes.
 
user1804599
12:20 PM
equals is supposed to return false when null is passed as an argument.
 
user1804599
Lol, SQLite currently has only one open bug report.
 
user1804599
Which is about incomplete documentation.
 
guys
why isn't echo $something | tac working
nah it's not reverting things
it just removes my newlines
 
tac works on lines not characters
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz echo $something | tac -rs '.'
 
user1804599
12:30 PM
See man page for -r and -s.
 
user1804599
Or echo $something | python -c 'import sys; print("".join(reversed(sys.stdin.read())))'.
 
@Mgetz Every citizen of Europe has the "right to be forgotten", this kind of stuff falls under it actually. And I can't say that's not a good thing in principle. It becomes bad when it turns into censorship
 
@Elyse nah I want to reverse line order, not char order
 
user1804599
Then just use tac.
 
not working
 
user1804599
12:33 PM
SSCCE.
 
checkins="r123
r124
r125"

reversed=`echo $checkins | tac`

echo $checkins
echo $reversed
 
@rubenvb Er what.
It is censorship.
It appears you are using the word "censorship" to mean "whatever bad qualities you attribute to censorship and only those".
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz echo "$checkins".
 
user1804599
Otherwise it passes three arguments to echo.
 
user1804599
Extrapolation is implicit. :(
 
12:38 PM
@Elyse oh thanks
 
user1804599
> Valgrind is perhaps the most amazing and useful developer tool in the world.
 
user1804599
lol
 
guys
please tell me this isn't just me
whenever I buy a 1.5L bottle of coke
 
..?
 
user1804599
your dentist becomes 1.5$ happier.
 
12:40 PM
I will always end up throwing away that last 10% of the bottle that's disgusting, flat and lukewarm
 
@orlp It is just you.
 
user1804599
Yes, that's why I get cans, not bottles.
 
@orlp Drink faster.
 
share it with others (just 10%)
 
user1804599
You can leave cans open for hours and they'll still taste the same as before.
 
12:41 PM
I buy bottles made out of cans.
 
what are your cans made out of
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I bottle cans bought of made.
 
aahahahahhahah our brave IT created a routing loop somewhere in Finland
 
I have a better solution... Do not drink coke.
 
Very Good Job
 
12:42 PM
@wilx I generally agree
but sometimes I need to fix my sleep schedule
 
@wilx Yeah, coke is for snorting.
 
and I don't drink coffee
 
hmm I think I'm going to thrash this git repo
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Experience, heh? :)
 
fucking svn
 
12:43 PM
@wilx he snorts ground up rubiks cubes
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@thecoshman x.equals(null) is required to return false, yes.
 
to solve the cube you must BECOME the cube
 
@JohanLarsson I like Brian :) His passion for FP is contagious.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what's that
 
12:44 PM
Ugh Slack post editor is another thing that fucking uses Ctrl+Alt shortcuts that are triggered by AltGr
 
@orlp Is there a generic formula for solving arbitrary cubic equations?
 
Club-Mate (German pronunciation: [ˈklʊp ˈmaːtə]) is a caffeinated carbonated mate-extract beverage made by the Loscher Brewery (Brauerei Loscher) near Münchsteinach, Germany, which originated in 1924. Club-Mate has 20 mg of caffeine per 100 ml. Club-Mate has a relatively low sugar content of 5 g/100 ml, and low calories (20 kcal/100 ml of beverage) compared to other beverages such as Coke or most energy drinks. Also available is Club-Mate IceT Kraftstoff, which is an ice-tea variant with slightly higher caffeine content (22 mg/100 ml) and with more sugar than original Club-Mate. Club-Mate i...
 
@fredoverflow yes
never said it was pretty though
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow I like the discussion where Brian and Erik talk about contravariance and they become horribly confused and get everything wrong.
 
12:45 PM
@orlp Wow, that seems a lot more complicated than quadratic equations :)
 
@fredoverflow All equations up to fourth-degree can be solve algebraically.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, even 4th? Cool. So... why is there a divide between 4th and 5th?
 
Quintic doesn't exist
 
well, there is no general algebraic formula for quintic equations
 
12:46 PM
In algebra, the Abel–Ruffini theorem (also known as Abel's impossibility theorem) states that there is no general algebraic solution—that is, solution in radicals—to polynomial equations of degree five or higher with arbitrary coefficients. The theorem is named after Paolo Ruffini, who made an incomplete proof in 1799, and Niels Henrik Abel, who provided a proof in 1823. Évariste Galois independently proved the theorem in a work that was posthumously published in 1846. == InterpretationEdit == The theorem does not assert that some higher-degree polynomial equations have no solution. In fact, the...
 
Math people are smart.
 
user1804599
My favourite tweet:
 
user1804599
A csharp<A>(A a) This function returns its argument.
 
@Elyse What UML diagram variant is this? ;)
 
user1804599
> Parametrikistan
 
user1804599
12:48 PM
Wadler so funny.
 
¯_(ツ)_/¯
oops I dropped my \
¯(ツ)/¯\\
there we go
 
Xeo
@orlp One of the most disgusting drinks ever :<
 
@orlp (arm)broken_arm; (You do use a cast to fix a broken arm, right?)
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@JerryCoffin worst joke of the year award
my god
you're turning into a dad
 
daddy coffin
\ escapes markdown markup _ * ` etc
 
12:56 PM
@orlp you could ... use ... brutal force algorithm ...
 
> brutal force
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I mean censorship in a morally bad sense. The right to be forgotten is good in the sense that quantifiable lies can be removed from public space. It is bad in that it requires no judging of the claims.
 
so it's needed for ` * _ but not \
 
@orlp A little late with that. I turned into a dad long ago.
 
@JerryCoffin my condolences
 
12:57 PM
 
But yes, it is censorship in the strict definition. Although removing slander and lies aren't something I usually classify under the name censorship.
 
@orlp Quite unnecessary; being a dad is awesome fun.
 
@Elyse is this wadler's twitter?
 
@JerryCoffin I dno, children is not for me
 
I mean ... who needs formula for integer roots of quintic equations when even a newbie can write a program and use brutal force to search for them?
 
1:00 PM
@orlp why not?
 
Fun, it seems that 8 assembly instructions are sometimes significantly faster than 8 assembly instructions.
 
@chmod711telkitty because with a closed formula you get the result in a microsecond
 
@JerryCoffin Casting by value produces a third arm. How about reinterpret_cast<arm&>(broken_arm).doAwesomeStuff() instead?
 
@ScarletAmaranth because it effectively costs you 20 years of your life
 
@Morwenn it is!
 
1:01 PM
@orlp ufff... you don't die when you have a kid :D
 
@chmod711telkitty that's... quite a stupid question actually.
 
@Rerito BRUTAL
 
I hate to say that, but the compiler can't optimize if (a < b) swap(a, b); enough and the fastest solution still resorts to a xor trick.
 
@ScarletAmaranth no, but I wouldn't classify it as a positive experience overall
 
1:01 PM
@fredoverflow @Elyse thanks ladies xxx
 
@orlp ehh, fair enough vOv
 
user406009
@ScarletAmaranth Children are some of the most expensive things you can have though.
 
Children & freedom.
 
and ferraris
 
not like I have anything to spend money on to be entirely honest
 
1:02 PM
on top of that, you can't appreciate what you have until you lose it
if your kid turns out as you'd like, it's neutral/slightly positive
 
user406009
@Morwenn Are your sorts written with SIMD instructions?
 
@Mr.kbok what about children asking for ferraris?
 
most of my expenses is dinners with my lady vOv
 
if your kid disappoints you, it will sting a lot
 
@Lalaland Nope, I never used SIMD instructions.
 
@orlp Oh my. I can hardly even imagine a more positive experience.
 
@AlexM. what about children asking for the freedom to drive his own ferrari???
 
OH FFS subversion you fucking pile of useless wank
 
3x expensiver
 
^ I would agree
 
1:04 PM
@Morwenn you should try
 
@rubenvb Yes, but now your statement becomes pretty close to the tautology "It is bad when it becomes bad".
 
@Mr.kbok But they are not standard. I don't like to use non-standard things :(
 
@BartekBanachewicz I talked to my uni prof today; I didn't fully understand his explanation by he seemed to be trying to tell me that they are locally small by design - on purpose
 
On the other hand, the code I write may be standard C++, it only compiles with g++ 5.2...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you can die from too much tautology
 
1:05 PM
 
@fredoverflow indeed
 
@Morwenn but it is, and here is the standard :D
 
@LucDanton Definitely need a little loosology now and again.
 
@Mr.kbok Yeah, I realized a bit too late that my formulation was a bit off. It's just that I tend not to rely on intrinsics.
I could try Cilk Plus SIMD stuff too :p
 
it's okay to dislike assembly. it does not make you a strange person :D
 
1:09 PM
@Mr.kbok Yeah. I would say that disliking assembly is in the set of [normal].
 
@MartinJames Assembly isn't bad, as long as it's just a game. When you take it seriously, and have to deliver real results with it, then it becomes a massive pain in a hurry.
 
user406009
I would say there is a distinct difference between applying censorship to people and to companies.
 
user406009
"Right to forget" is a more OK form of censorship because it is only applied to companies.
 
but you can do cool stuff with assembly - like controlling a robot ...
not like PHP, all you can control is some webpage ... pretty lame
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "it becomes bad when it turns into censorship" (with the "censorship is bad" definition) is not a tautology. The first "it" denotes the "right to be forgotten", which is, as my comment tried to explain, isn't always bad in my eyes.
 
user406009
1:12 PM
@chmod711telkitty Well, we all know the proper way to control Robot is by offering rep bounties.
 
if the assembly code is written to do so, yes
 
@rubenvb And so isn't censorship. "It becomes bad when it turns into a bad thing" is not descriptive.
Note that I'm not contesting your opinion. I'm just claiming the way you put it doesn't really express it properly.
 
user406009
@chmod711telkitty also, you can theoretically control a robot with PHP. You just need to use PHP's FFI with a corresponding c library.
 
@chmod711telkitty don't worry -- people do lame stuff with assembly too :p
 
@Lalaland That's like combining two drills to make a tougher buttplug
 
1:16 PM
@Lalaland Or a robot with an HTTP interface vOv
 
Or a Robot with his eyes closed
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes 2c: I think it's not censorship if it's not content-sensitive
 
yeah right, imagine an ad: 'control your own robot with HTML5'!
 
HTTP != HTML#
Also, going after Google is a mistake. Going after the defamation website indexed by Google was the proper avenue.
 
user406009
@ElimGarak like the advertisers give a fuck.
 
1:19 PM
Prison sentences and harsh fines make everyone care, that's the general idea behind them.
 
In other news, I seemingly can't login to my build server.
 
user406009
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
 
Time to nuke security.
 
When there are no consequences to be had, there are no fucks to be given
 
user406009
So here comes Elim the censorship supporter.
 
Censorship is one thing, falsehood pruning other. It's easy to sacrifice the one for the many, until you are the one.
 
#fuckgoogle
 
user406009
Who gets to decide what is false or true?
 
Oh wow, that video is actually somewhat appropriate
 
@ElimGarak The right to be forgotten is not for falsehoods.
 
1:23 PM
@Lalaland no one person
 
For that there's libel and slander and such.
 
I am still waiting for those driver less cars
How long do I have to wait? 5 years? 10 years? 20 years?
 
user406009
@chmod711telkitty well, you can always ride the bus.
 
Was there a court process for that thing?
Or is it just 'submit a request to Google' DMCA-level bullshit
 
In the 21st century, it's pretty much a given that nothing will ever be forgotten. We are being recorded for posterity as we speak right here.
 
1:25 PM
@Lalaland I have my drivers license & I have a car
But I am mocking the progress of human kind
 
user406009
Yes, but if you want to avoid driving, buses exist.
 
I don’t think it’s a given. Storage has a cost.
 
The idea might be sound for some cases but implementation is shit as usual
People Ruin Everything
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buses run on half hourly base most of the times
 
user406009
@LucDanton storage is pretty cheap though
 
1:26 PM
@Lalaland like your mum
 
Indeed, but for practical purposes, shit will not be forgotten when you need it to be forgotten. It will, one day, when the damage is done (if any)
 
user406009
Probably only a couple of dollars for someone's entire digital life.
 
@ElimGarak So much for 'posterity' then?
 
@CatPlusPlus You submit a form and if Google refuses you can bring it to the authorities.
 
So that's 'yes'
 
1:27 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd compare my phrasing to something like "A drink won't quench your thirst unless it's hydrating".
 
I don't see how requiring a court process would help.
 
But sure, I get the point you're trying to get across.
 
@rubenvb Hydrating is objective. Bad censorship isn't.
 
At least theoretical impartiality
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Bad censorship is objective!
 
1:28 PM
@CatPlusPlus Also a burden for everyone and rendering the whole idea useless in practice.
 
@LucDanton That statement will become increasingly more true as the years go by. With some stipulations, it can be taken as true today.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Fine by me :v
 
You can peer pretty far into the past even today, with alarming ease.
 
user406009
@rubenvb no. Different people consider different censorship bad.
 
I mean, really, you live in a physical building, you eat real food. Internet is just the internet, why make a big fuss out of it?
 
user406009
1:30 PM
@ElimGarak yeah. All of our stupid comments will forever live on.
 
@chmod711telkitty How do you go from the first sentence to the second?
 
@chmod711telkitty Internet is actually Internet.
 
@ElimGarak If you move randomly enough you might by chance create something resembling logical reasoning
 
@Lalaland I'm getting the feeling we're discussing morality here.
 
@ElimGarak So much for 'it’s a given' then.
 
1:31 PM
@sehe Although the RFC seems to imply that the RDN order matters, this seems to tell the opposite?!...
 
@ElimGarak Period.
 
Internet so far has probably proven to be a bigger a time waster than it's role in improving productivity.
 
That's not the role of the Internet.
 
user406009
Depends on what you consider a waste of time.
 
internet has no role or purpose ... but it just happened that way ...
 
user406009
1:33 PM
Life isn't all about making money 24/7.
 
@Lalaland that's true
 
No, it's about making enough money to never have to make money again
 
@Lalaland But you need safe accommodation and food to survive, and preferably luxury cars, nice holidays, fancy restaurants. Someone has to provide that.
 
@thecoshman it's douglas!
 
@Rerito Which one of those two things strikes you as authoritative
 
1:35 PM
Someone tell telkitty to google "internet purpose"
And everything people do is merely passing time until our inevitable demise. It's called life.
 
some people made bigger contribution than the others
not true
 
@Mr.kbok ... yes?
 
Ah, yes, human perception of what is bigger, big, important. None of it is important. It may be important to you. And what is important... Dies with you.
 
hey, all pigs do is merely passing time until their inevitable demise. It's called a pig's life
I am not a pig, I don't want to live like one
 
Your life is nothing more worthwhile than a pig's life. You feel that it is, but really, it is not.
 
1:39 PM
what about an ant or cockroach
 
@chmod711telkitty Luxury cars? Haha.
 
@ElimGarak what about a virus? your life is no more worthy than a virus life?
@ElimGarak I would like to see you kill a human and use that argument in court
 
You do realize that worthy is something assigned by humans, which is inconsequential on a cosmic scale.
 
some people produce longer lasting effect than others
 
This is a great worthwhile discussion
 
1:41 PM
True. Not everyone has their own UD entry.
 
~_~ ... dat ... dat ...
 
user406009
Perhaps the purpose of life is to have discussions about the purpose of life?
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@chmod711telkitty What's wrong with pigs? They're very good once cooked
 
Take the length of the most lasting effect a human made and divide it by the age of the universe.
 
@Rerito but the cancer
 
1:43 PM
@Rerito they are, but you can't say that about a human, right?
 
@CatPlusPlus The RFC obviously. Though it doesn't state it clearly
 
@Rerito yeah. the rfc is obviously right then. Which order appears to be topic of the X.5xx standards:
>>> as far as I have seen and read, the only way in RFC 5280 and its predecessors
>>> to detect the order in which a DN hierarchy is encoded
>>> i.e. highest = first element in sequence,
>>> is to look into the non normative examples or
>>> to go to the X.5xx base standards.
>>>
>>> I think the direction of the encoding should be defined explicitely in the
>>> description of DNs.
 
@chmod711telkitty Indeed, I never tasted human flesh
 
That's from errata request
 
@ElimGarak I would not care because I don't live that long, all I care about is right here and right now ... and maybe tomorrow and the near future. Yes, it's short sighted, but that's how creatures are designed to live.
 
1:43 PM
DNs are hierarchical
Order must matter
 
@chmod711telkitty You will die and will be forgotten... But your UD entry will live forever, as we've established here.
 
do you guys know how plumbuses are made?
 
Ven
ahoy
 
1:44 PM
This was a bad episode
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I should change my habits just because some journalist says so, that’s preposterous
 
Luc has butt cancer
 
Eat whatever you want to. Just make sure you don't eat too much of it.
 
@sehe So in the end, the order matters
@LucDanton I am cancer!
 
Ven
huh, china to revoke its only-child policy? weird
 
1:48 PM
If they eat children, they won't have problems anymore.
 
@chmod711telkitty Just because you accept reality doesn't mean you have to roll over and die. But realizing just how objectively irrelevant you are will grant you the achievement of modesty.
 
Ell
I wonder how badly deleting the root btrfs subvolume will go
I suppose very :V
 
@Ell It'll give you butt cancer
 
@ElimGarak Admitting we're relevant is interesting in its own paradigm.
 
Ven
/me looks closely at std::conditional
google's fruit is pretty annoying.
 
1:50 PM
@ElimGarak seeing a pig will make you realize that you computer needs more CPU power - that's the amount of sense I gathered from your statement above
 
user406009
Well, water also contributes to cancer. Do you know anyone with cancer that doesn't drink water? THE MEDIA LIES!?!?
 
doctors give you cancer
 
Ven
@Lalaland I'm also 100% sure that every single person I know that has/has had cancer breathes. think about it #conspiracy #hashtag
 
@Ven that's old right
@Ven you mean, en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/types/conditional? or you mean google made the proposoal
 
:26569192 From your link:
>   Two distinguished names DN1 and DN2 match if they
>   have the same number of RDNs, for each RDN in DN1 there is a matching
>   RDN in DN2, and the matching RDNs appear in the same order in both
>   DNs
 
1:53 PM
there's a significant correlation between people who have cancer and people who frequently go to the hospital
 
@Rerito Yeah. I just said all that. I can't have reached that part without also passing that :0
 
@chmod711telkitty Wow. Someone should tip off the cops to take you in for a 51/50.
 
Ven
@sehe yeah, but I forgot the name, so I had to google "c++ static if" for 20min then I ZZ'd and just looked at type_traits
 
@Ven it's not static if. It's a type function (like a ternary conditional type expression)
 
@ElimGarak I am not a criminal like you. I would not know what that is ...
 
Ven
1:53 PM
right. "static ternary" ;)
I know what "static if" means in this context, but I'd argue conditional could also mean it
 
Also, I too, can produce the same amount of gibblish you have produced in your comments, if not more, otherwise I would not have an entry in the UD
 
@Elim can you cut it, please?
 
Ven
i see telkitty is still... telkitty
@sehe (I need to work around google fruit's "limitations" with a compile-time conditional (base_of))
 
@Ven you still haven't told me what google's fruit is
 
Ven
@sehe ah, I didn't get that was your question, sorry. DI framework with compile-time resolution
 
1:57 PM
Oh, that's how I made it myself.
That's how it should be done in modern c++ indeed
 
@Ven who else would I be?
 
user406009
@chmod711telkitty Cicada
 
:D lala, you know me the best :')
 
@chmod711telkitty An asylum patient after the 51/50 (mandatory psych eval).
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes <3
 
ty
 
1:59 PM
Fuck my life, fuck java
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user406009
Eh, Java isn't too bad.
 
user406009
The problem is the people using it.
 
True, it's terrible.
 

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