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2:00 AM
@Nooble In all seriousness, I have a soup of different accents. I grew up in the west, and then spent four years near Albany, NY, and now live in St. Louis. I sound a little funny to everyone. It doesn't help that I've only ever read some of the words I use.
 
@jaggedSpire Ah so you spent 4 years being close to the best place on earth.
This is interesting.
 
@Griwes made up your mind about the reception?
 
@Nooble No, I spent 18 years there
 
@jaggedSpire East > West.
@ScottW By car?
Cars are weird.
 
@Nooble I prefer the Rockies
 
2:04 AM
rockies = jagged
 
@Nooble The east has nice colors in the fall. Other than that, losing everything from the Mississippi to the eastern seaboard....wouldn't really be a loss at all.
 
@Nooble What can I say? I like my rock formations. They're fun and interesting on the Colorado Plateau.
 
@jaggedSpire You like rocks?
I thought you liked:
 
user406009
@ʞɔᴉN Andy is coming to Houston? I thought he was in Seattle?
 
@ScottW You have nice colors in fall?
 
2:08 AM
@ScottW No, it doesn't (unless you're a thing, rather than a person).
 
@Nooble facepalm
 
@Nooble One reason people like Colorado:
 
Just because I lived in one of the first states to have legal recreational use, and medical use, and where it was really more of a "meh" thing than a massively terrible thing even before that, doesn't mean I sampled the produce.
 
We don't need the circumlocutions...
 
@JerryCoffin Precisely!
 
2:11 AM
I still called it Marijuana up until two years ago.
 
@AndyProwl not going, I'm weirdly tired already and I have to wake up in the middle of the night to have any hopes of not having to select mid-day hours for the (not many, but still some) courses in the next semester :/ Time difference, eh.
 
@jaggedSpire Sweet, sweet Mary Jane.
 
@Griwes Ah, sorry to hear that
 
@jaggedSpire I'm kind of sad that I left about the time it became legal--not because I wanted to use it, but simply because I wanted to support it's having been made legal.
 
@jaggedSpire Your secret is safe with us.
 
2:11 AM
we'll meet tomorrow then
 
yeah
 
@Nooble eh, whatever. Believe what you want. Even if I did---it doesn't mean I ever did it illegally.
@JerryCoffin nods
 
@jaggedSpire But illegally was the best way to do it.
If you did it legally, then you lose all your cool points.
In other news Jim Keller left AMD :(
again
 
@Nooble There weren't cool points to be had even before legalization, I think. It was too routine.
 
user406009
@JerryCoffin You can try to make it legal in your current state?
 
2:13 AM
@Nooble Why this time and where to?
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Dunno.
But it's big news.
Because now everyone's panicking about Zen not living up to its expectations.
@jaggedSpire :C
I hate how panicking has a k in it.
 
I remember another kid when I first went to college telling me that he had a medical license, and it took me days to figure out he was probably bragging about it. I think that cultural acceptance of MJ in CO is why it was one of the first in both categories. No one but the die-hards really cared.
 
user406009
@jaggedSpire The problem is years of anti-marijuana indoctrination.
 
Granted, I can be shockingly oblivious, but still.
@Lalaland probably.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Zen promised 40% performance gains per core over the FX series I believe. If this becomes true, AMD could once again be relevant in the CPU market.
 
2:16 AM
@Lalaland I suppose in theory I could, but I don't really care enough to put much energy into it.
 
@ScottW sighs
 
user406009
@JerryCoffin Sometimes they just need petition signatures ...
 
@ScottW sure.
 
@Lalaland Sometimes--and if somebody asks me to sign a petition, I probably will. I doubt I'll go to the work of being the guy standing outside the grocery store asking anybody else to sign though.
 
user406009
Yeah, devoting energy to such an abstract cause is sometimes difficult.
 
user406009
2:20 AM
I do think it's an important issue though. It just seems like a simple no brainier that would damage the gangs, free more innocent people from jail, and allow people the freedom of using a relatively harmless drug.
 
user406009
I have yet to hear a good counterargument.
 
"Trust thyself: every heart vibrates to that iron string."
God damn it.
What in the world is an iron string.
 
@Lalaland Bible says no
 
Stupid homewooooooorrrrrrrrkrkrkkr.
 
user406009
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I think the bible actually has people doing drugs in it.
 
2:23 AM
@Lalaland If I could do something to strike more directly at the heart of the "War on drugs", it'd be much easier (for me) to get energized about it. At least as I see it, the problem is that right now it's just individual states legalizing it, while the feds continue to spend billions on trashing the world (and our place in it) in their hopeless, pointless "war".
 
user406009
The Mormon bible is the one that's a lot more against stuff like that.
 
Are you subtly implying that the Bible may not be sound?!
sacrilege
 
@Nooble think like guitar string
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I'm pretty sure I could find passages from the Bible to support essentially any position I cared to take on it.
 
user406009
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva The bible is full of lots of shit.
 
2:24 AM
though I suspect that's a different metal.
 
@jaggedSpire Many are steel, which is mostly iron.
 
Well that's your interpretation of it
 
user406009
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Let's see, was @AnastasiyaAsadullayeva on here during the Sabbath ....
 
user406009
Ah, yes she was.
 
user406009
I guess that means she deserves to get stoned to death.
 
user406009
2:26 AM
> For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day, a sabbath of complete rest to the LORD; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death
 
lol
THIS IS NOT A FREE MARKET
also killing someone for working, how counter productive
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Having fun with the right wing's arguments?
 
user406009
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Like I said, the bible is full of shit.
 
@Lalaland It's okay
It's mildly entertaining for a SF book written 2000 years back
 
I was born on 2000.
I am Jesus.
 
user406009
2:31 AM
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva It actually isn't that old.
 
@Lalaland Not necessarily. If she was using a keyboard, that would normally be interpreted as a violation. If she was using voice input instead, that would not (talking on the Sabbath is fine).
 
user406009
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Large parts of the Bible were written way after Jesus's death.
 
Jesus never died
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Yes, I have never died too!
 
oh yeah? then how did he come back
 
2:33 AM
It must be true then. I am Jesus.
 
He had killed Roshan earlier and got the Aegis
Doesn't count as a death per se as seen on the stats board
get your facts heterosexual
 
@ScottW Can't talk. Can listen.
 
@jaggedSpire Go on mumble anyway.
 
@Nooble I am.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva My new favorite thing to say.
 
2:38 AM
@sehe No clue. Normally the compiler has tons of information à la C++ templates to figure things out. The things mentioned in the follow-ups (lack of specialisation, lackluster optimisation) are real things though.
Since the 'fixed' code shows a RawVec<u8> being dropped I’m guessing there’s more to the bug than, well, just having a vec and dropping it.
 
@Lalaland Certainly much of the new testament was--even assuming you accept the Christian view on things, the oldest of the four traditional Gospels is Mark's. The accepted view is that when its author Mark was fairly young, he knew the apostle Peter (who was fairly old at the time). Then when Mark was fairly old, he wrote his book.
 
lol calling a destructor for 12 M bytes
 
@JerryCoffin Speaking of Mark.
@MarkGarcia Where have you been?
 
> runs blazingly fast
Yes indeed
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva The non-optimized rust generics/templates/(whatever the fuck they're called)?
 
2:42 AM
I miss his good mornings :(
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva It’s a fancy way of saying 'crash and burn'.
 
Ardently quick.
 
I'm sure they'll get some compile-time information in there soon enough and make it run. But until then, top kek.
 
do not criticize
 
user406009
2:43 AM
@JerryCoffin Yes. And there are all sorts of fun contradictions between the gospels as well.
 
They do agree that JC was a babe though, isn’t that all that matters?
 
Jesus Crysis
 
What do I name an exception that indicates that the 'max number of ____ has been reached?' Like if you had a resource that you could only have N of and you wanted to throw an exception when the N+1 request is made
 
out_of_resources
 
out_of_things
 
2:54 AM
nnnnnn
I dont know
You guys are terrible at naming stuff
maybe I will name it Max____Reached
reached? exceeded? ugh
 
user406009
POWER EXCEEDS 9000 EXCEPTION
 
@Prismatic It wasn’t a joke. 'Out of memory' is the condition of not having any more, well, memory available. (Although it’s spelled std::bad_alloc in C++ but oh well.)
 
@Prismatic I would very well have suggested robert_exception but last time you weren't really happy about it
 
> max number of ____
Then name it out_of_____ you idiot.
 
Also out of resources is a very classic error name really
Resource is the generic term for "something you need to work properly"
 
user406009
2:57 AM
@ScottW Incorrect. There's always room for more pizza!
 
Out of handles
Out of fucks
Out of the closet
 
OutOfShaderHandles
FreshOutOfCompton
____LimitExceeded also sounds okay
 
Except it's false because the limit is never exceeded
 
@LucDanton std::errc::not_enough_memory.
 
I was in fact going to look up the Posix stuff so thanks.
 
3:00 AM
NotEnoughPylons
sry
 
ENOMEM?
 
Yeah.
 
why is friend int thingy(); not a declaration on its own? I still need to provide a freestanding declaration of thingy outside of the class.
 
hi
 
3:02 AM
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Presumably there are actual return and parameter types.
 
Yes there are
 
Friend declarations really are declarations but sometimes you don’t have everything in scope at that point.
 
So guys
I can't work on autodoc without giving it a name
It haunts me.
 
user406009
Name it Sally.
 
user406009
Sally is a good name.
 
3:03 AM
@LucDanton "you don't have everything in scope at that point". hm?
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Oh, it’s only available through ADL unless you provide a namespace declaration. If ADL is impossible, then you can’t call it. C++ is fun.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Class not being complete until the closing brace type of deal.
 
with inconsistent style but who cares
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Clang accepts it.
 
MSVC does too
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva pretty weird
 
3:08 AM
That's a little strange.
 
GCC had issues with scope and declarations in the past, it took some time before they overhauled it.
 
time to file a bug report
 
I don’t know for sure if it’s supposed to accept the code though.
 
Guys
Important question.
c_string_view v( "blah" );
auto v_part = v.substring( 0, 2 );
What is the type of v_part ?
 
c_string_view
 
3:12 AM
0/10
back to school
 
Okay. But c_string_view is supposed to be terminated by a null terminator at its end. So is it still a c_string_view when you subview it?
 
alright I'm gonna name my autodoc thing "ink"
 
rapptz so newcomer
 
@ThePhD you imposed those limitations for yourself friend
I see no such implication in the code posted above.
 
@ThePhD what that's horrible
view is pointar + size
 
3:14 AM
@Rapptz Right, but it's called c_string_view, so... that's why I'm asking, to get an idea of the expectation.
 
user406009
@ThePhD You can null terminate it on demand?
 
@Rapptz very googleable
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Mine is implemented that way, but I still have a c_str() method on it, and... it's mostly usable in bunches of places, but in those cases where you slice thing, it's not usable like that.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva exactly
well it'd be called sphinx-ext-ink
 
Sphink
:>
 
user406009
3:15 AM
@ThePhD Add the null terminator on demand, lazily.
 
user406009
I still think "Sally" is the superior name.
 
@ScottW Post pictures here.
Everyone wants to see your foot.
 
@Lalaland Would A) require me to write my own iterators and B) doesn't fix the .c_str() bit
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva npmjs.com/package/inkdoc
 
user406009
3:16 AM
@ThePhD ? Simply add the null terminator when you call c_str.
 
wow you made it in jabbascript
much impress
 
user406009
Also, don't iterate over the null byte.
 
user406009
You only iterate over the actual bytes.
 
didn't know you were spanish also
Speaking of which, does loving a Pedro make you a Pedrophile?
 
@Lalaland ... That overwrites the original data. That's not even legal if the original data comes from const char[n] stuff.
 
user406009
3:18 AM
@ThePhD You create a copy of size n+1. And put the null terminator in that copy.
 
user406009
It costs O(n), but you only do it when people actually call c_str.
 
c_str() returns a const char*.
That's just asking for pain.
 
user406009
? Simple.
 
@ThePhD I hate std::string so much.
 
user406009
class Foo { const char* source; int length; std::vector<char> internalCopy; }
 
3:19 AM
Are you suggesting I make the internal storage variant<owning, non_owning> and change it when someone calls c_str...?
... Wut.
 
user406009
@ThePhD Yes.
 
<_>
 
Can someone help me in PHP here?
 
There's a PHP room.
 
user406009
@ScottW -1/10. Not Hawaiian.
 
3:21 AM
> Météo à Position actuelle
> Position actuelle » - Changer de lieu
utile
 
@ThePhD Yes there is and no one is helping
 
user406009
@Micaela Try StackOverflow then.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva why would you want to know about the weather anywhere else
 
No one is going to help you in the C++ room.
 
Okay thanks
 
3:22 AM
@Micaela I can help!
I know tons of PHP.
 
@LucDanton inb4 if I click on "changer de lieu" it gives me a combobox with "Position actuelle" and "Autre part" only.
 
Reminds me of
 
user406009
@Micaela You can also try freenode if you are looking for an irc room.
 
Jan 30 at 2:30, by Borgleader
"Hi I have a question about my retirement fund"
"Sir this is a convenience store..."
"I know but it's the only thing open at this hour"
HOly wow, that thing has 29 stars
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva If you cancel the change it puts you 'nulle part'.
 
@Nooble Can I ask something?
 
user406009
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Lol, and Cat's the author.
 
@Micaela Sure. Nah I'm kidding I'm just here to waste your time.
 
Star Plus Plus
3
 
Plus Plus Star
 
3:27 AM
@jaggedSpire but you sample all the produce
 
@Nooble I know. That's why I didn't ask hahaha
 
@ʞɔᴉN Should've been on mumble, scott showed us his foot.
 
it's alright I'm not really a foot guy myself
but glad to hear you had a good time
 
@ʞɔᴉN And Pizza too.
 
had pizza a few hours ago
tasted better than the virtual kind
 
user406009
3:30 AM
@ʞɔᴉN Also, you lied. Andy is in Seattle, not Houston.
 
haha for some reason I thought you were in Seattle
all this cppcon talk is confusing me
 
user406009
Well, I did just spend 24 hours in the Seattle Tacoma airport.
 
user406009
That was my last Saturday.
 
why anyone would pay money to fly to a convention on C++ and pay more money to get in the door is beyond me but whatevs
ah fun
 
user406009
Because cppcon has lots of awesome talks every year.
 
user406009
3:32 AM
That usually help you write better C++.
 
lol writing better C++
 
"better c++"
 
the only talks I like listening to are my own
 
More convoluted C++, sure.
 
if only I could write good C++ to begin with
 
user406009
3:35 AM
Also, one of our very own Loungers is giving a talk.
 
Griwes
 
@Lalaland Sick.
Good luck @Griwes.
No matter what happens, your talk will be the best to us <3
 
Well I tested my output from inkdoc
In Sphinx
and it seems to work fine
 
Does that mean andy is going to meet up with griwes @ cppcon?
 
3:41 AM
 
no access specifiers garbage/10
j/k keep on keeping on
 
It only shows public stuff atm.
private stuff is skipped
 
user406009
Where did that T come from for constexpr int test(const T&)?
 
user406009
Is that a bug?
 
@ʞɔᴉN only the kind that doesn't disturb my already hazy grasp on reality
 
3:43 AM
No it's a templated function.
The T is inferred.
 
user406009
Is there a particular reason why the U is visible for other but not T?
 
I can change the output, I'm not sure. C++ is pretty tricky.
Because the U isn't inferred.
 
user406009
Ah, I see.
 
user406009
My only suggestion is that test<T>(const T&test) and other<T, U>(const T&r) would be a tad more clear to me.
 
coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/bdf9bf553f2c6394 here's the source the output is generated from
 
3:45 AM
constexpr auto g() const volatile&& noexcept -> decltype(10)
lol
 
that was to test everything
 
@Rapptz z being 'hidden' being just fluff then
 
including auto.
@LucDanton yeah that was to test private being skipped but I changed it from class to struct etc
my test file sucks
 
> I'd much rather bar anime weeaboo looking female humans from my dungeons. They truly disgust me. I hope they all burn.
The GW2 Community on the LFG tool and pick-up play.
 
I've never seen anime weeaboo looking female humans in GW2
 
3:54 AM
Pink or yellow hair accessory, stripperic armor, silly wings of some sort on their back
 
http://cpp.sh/9r7l
Can anyone explain what's going on here? I assume it's a compiler optimization to give 10 for a whenever its value is requested.
 
You have an invalid program exhibiting undefined behaviour, so anything goes.
 
I see. So it's not guaranteed that a would give out 10?
 
Anything goes.
 
All of you just love using namespace std don't you?
I need to sleep.
 
4:02 AM
Haha, I never use using namespace std in production code, just used for clarity in this snippet
 
I could make the <T, U> etc thing a config value.
 
@jaggedSpire of course
 
4:24 AM
Why are you allowed to use auto to create variables of private types?
ah nvm
91
Q: Why can I use auto on a private type?

hansmaadI was somehow surprised that the following code compiles and run (vc2012 & gcc4.7.2) class Foo { struct Bar { int i; }; public: Bar Baz() { return Bar(); } }; int main() { Foo f; // Foo::Bar b = f.Baz(); // error auto b = f.Baz(); // ok std::cout << b.i; } Is ...

feels weird
 
Accessibility is accessibility of identifiers.
 
user796530
Why should it be otherwise?
 
To prevent use of a type, entity, etc.
 
Wow, Apple learned the hard way not to charge money for development tools.
 
@Potatoswatter Oh?
 
4:33 AM
@ThePhD Someone cracked the security in XCode, cheapskate developers picked up the pirate compiler, now they're sifting through the App Store to weed out the trojan it bundled. Good news: now it's free for everyone.
 
@Potatoswatter How does being free prevent that situation...?
 
A fair warning about Shadow of Mordor: it'll disrupt your sleep schedule.
 
@ThePhD Who pirates free software?
 
You'd... be surprised.
 
stallman was right again
 
4:39 AM
For example, the first iterations of what could be called the Humble Bundle was actually one of the most "pirated" games I've ever seen.
It was a literal "pay what you want, including nothing" and the thing still had 4K seeds and many more leeches.
 
@ThePhD You mean nag-ware? That's not free. Anyway, I don't think that's comparable to an official IDE.
 
I swear I remember reading something about stallman or some FSF people talking about clang and how you could easily add something malicious to it and have it spread to every binary compiled with the resulting toolchain
 
@Potatoswatter No, no nagging. It was specifically DRM-free, pay-what-you-want vidya games. Albeit, you're right in that its probably not comparable to an IDE.
 
but Xcode is free anyways..?
 
I thought XCode was free for every Mac anyways, yeah?
 
4:44 AM
last I checked, the only thing Apple charges for is a $99 membership fee for iOS and the same for OS X, but it's only necessary if you'd like to publish to the respective app stores. or test on physical devices
 
@Prismatic The theory of malicious compilers goes back to the 70's, I think. The worst thing is if you hack a bootstrapping compiler to reproduce the malicious version of itself from a non-malicious source tree.
@ʞɔᴉN That $99 buys iOS ARM compiler. Without that, you could only run on the iOS simulator, which was an x64-on-x64 VM.
(Sorry, btw, my connection is very slow right now.)
 
haha no worries
 
@ThePhD People just shared their download links around.
 
I thought that the Apple XCode thing wasn't a $ issue but a speed issue. In China it was really slow to get official binaries from Apple's servers but local sources had it and it was much faster to DL
 
and not really, the compiler is still available AFAIK but you do need certificates to sign the builds with
hence the membership fee
I used to do my testing on a jailbroken iphone but I had to disable codesigning for everything which was a pain in the ass
saved me money though because I never ended up publishing anything anyways :)
 
4:49 AM
@Prismatic That makes sense, but so far, Apple's solution is to unlock single-device debugging and not to change the distribution scheme.
 
@ThePhD haha that's kind of sad, considering you can pay anything you want
 
(It's not so hard to download and redistribute the installer for your own office, anyway.)
@ʞɔᴉN I never explored that option… the reasoning at my office was that jailbreaking reduced the value of the device for testing, such that playing by the rules was more economical.
 
@Potatoswatter it doesn't affect anything except for the ability to debug stdout.. for some reason I was never able to get that working.
debug builds with a developer certificate is the only way to go if you want that ability (at least in my experience)
 
@LucDanton ah that
I don't know I always used to play with friends are we're fairly RP-ish
 
All playing bare-chested Charr, no doubt.
 
4:56 AM
night all, I'm out
 
nite~
I used to main a Charr engineer during the beta and thief during my first year of GW2, then moved to Asura engineer from there and never really switched to anything else
 
@ʞɔᴉN Niight
 
@ʞɔᴉN Have interesting dreams of malicious compilers.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Are your wrists made of titanium?
 
I did a lot of PVP on my Salad Necro also
@LucDanton I don't play grenade kit :D
 
4:59 AM
Still, I find the kit swapping very tiring. I don’t play engi very much anymore :(
 
Hmm I never found kit switching annoying, the biggest nuisance being indeed grenade kit and perhaps Bomb #1
My bindings are all very compact
Unlike Bartek's mom
 
Yeah elem works for me because the attunements are all under my thumb. I.e. the profession mechanic, which is toolbelt and not the kits on engi.
 

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