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8:00 PM
ITT Morwenn realises how to KISS
 
@thecoshman Hey, I always try to KISS before anything else. It only gets messy if it doesn't give me the expected result :o
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@Morwenn oh my, he he he
Can't it get messy either way?
sounds more fun
 
I fear I understand what I just did...
 
Resistance is futile. We are lounge.
 
please tell me that wasn't accidental flirtation :\
 
8:04 PM
@thecoshman It was. I kept your formulation, that's why :(
 
@Morwenn so... you're saying I can close Skype and get dressed again?
 
Poor thecoshman.
 
Not even a star for my original work. Oh well.
<stars KISS instead/>
 
@thecoshman Yeah, that. I'm not prepared.
 
@Morwenn maybe another time ;)
 
8:06 PM
@thecoshman Er, that would be rather unexpected.
 
@Morwenn how can a planned event be unexpected o_0
 
@thecoshman You tell me :p
 
KISS means Keep It Simple and Small imo.
Simple != easy
 
It's just keep-it-simple with creepy emphasis
 
@Morwenn well I guess it could take a fun turn :P
@JohanLarsson wrong, Keep It Simple, Stupid
 
8:09 PM
> imo
 
@JohanLarsson of course, simple is one of the hardest things to do.
 
Keep It Simple Stupid
 
@sehe KISWCE? doesn't seem to have quite the same ring to it.
 
@JohanLarsson your opinion is wrong vOv
 
user1804599
I prefer KISYFM.
 
user1804599
8:09 PM
Keep It Simple You Fucking Moron
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Small makes much more sense
 
I prefer YAF
"You are fired"
 
Nah, small doesn't matter
I'd rather have a huge code base that was simple to understand than a tiny convoluted bit of shit
 
I generally apply KISUYC - Keep It Simple Unless You Can't.
 
> Simple and Small
 
8:10 PM
@thecoshman As long as I can get it compiled and running under 10 minutes, I do not care for the codebase size.
 
@Nican of course, it's about being simple
 
@sehe Keeeep it... Sssssssssiiiimmmpllee, yes... ♥
 
@JohanLarsson size doesn't matter, simplicity does.
 
it's how you use it
 
@thecoshman correlated ime
 
8:11 PM
@JohanLarsson keeping it small is sometimes at odds with simple
 
sure, but allow small to fall out of trying to be simple, rather than hope that making it small makes it simple
 
@thecoshman Dijkstra said it best: "Simplicity is a great virtue but it requires hard work to achieve it and education to appreciate it."
 
I'm not going to back down!
 
if making it simple means making it less small, so be it.
@JohanLarsson nope, small is of little concern
 
greetings inferior beings
and also robot
 
8:13 PM
@thecoshman That what she said (but she was just trying to console you!)
 
Don't add -Os if you want to keep it bloated.
 
@Puppy don't be so rude, great your betters too
 
I did
 
@thecoshman Overarchitecting and bloat in general is an issue in Sweden.
 
grate your superiors
@JohanLarsson it's in the water
srsly, it's an issue in humanity
 
8:15 PM
fuck you, fuck you, fuck all you
 
@sehe Damn. Beaten to the punch.
 
We have trouble seeing the consequences of our choices
@JerryCoffin for once :)
 
@JohanLarsson vOv and? that's failing at both being small and simple.
 
6 mins ago, by Johan Larsson
> Simple and Small
 
@AndyProwl Okay, if anything, I'm at the conference center, at the tables right above the lunch vendors.
 
8:17 PM
@sehe you gate me
 
/ war
 
@thecoshman vOv and? that's re-stating the obvious he was responding to
 
@sehe it argues for neither side.
 
@Griwes I'm listening to Jon Kalb's talk
 
@Griwes did he make it?
 
8:18 PM
In the Hopper theatre
 
@thecoshman I'd better not--my wife probably wouldn't like it.
 
@thecoshman and?
 
Will end in about 15 mins I think
 
@sehe it puzzles me why he felt a need to state that in the first place.
 
@AndyProwl On exception handling?
 
8:19 PM
@thecoshman so you draw it out :) KISS: no statement, leave it
 
@StackedCrooked To handle an exception, use try/catch.
 
ugh. life is shallow. no boost questions and this is the level in the lounge?
 
IIT applied KISS sjould be KIS.
 
Don't make me wish for telkitty to be unbanned
 
@Puppy Yet, Jon Kalb's talk on exception handling is one of my favorites from last cppcon.
 
8:20 PM
telkitty got banned?
 
@Puppy It's even in two parts.
 
@sehe well, I figured he attempted to use it as an argument in favour of simple and small, whilst it doesn't really argue anything. Just states that bad designs are a problem, which I think we can all agree on.
 
@Puppy yes 7 days
 
@Morwenn nah, needs to insult
 
8:21 PM
oh noes what a terrible world
oh wait only 7 days? fuck
 
@sehe stream some C#
 
6 IIRC
 
@Stacked no, it's about the history of c++
 
@sehe Seriously, I should reach 10k points. Being able to see deleted questions seems priceless.
 
@thecoshman not sure why you are mad, I just think Small adds more than Stupid in that one.
 
8:22 PM
Pretty much the content of his latest bookler
Booklet damnit
 
@sehe missed the deleted
 
Am I part of the joke if I ask who telkitty is and why ban?
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl Dicklet
 
@sehe Too late :p
 
user1804599
HOW TO SUCK DICKLET
 
@TomW Group-butthurt happened.
 
@JohanLarsson I think emphasising 'small' is not helpful. Aiming for small is not a good thing, you should aim simplicity.
 
And what I tried to say is aim for both. Not sacrifice simplicity.
 
user1804599
oh nice online Eiffel thing eiffel.org/launch_codeboard
 
HOW TO SUCK DIGLETT
 
8:24 PM
Sep 15 at 8:41, by Tony The Lion
no more cock please
 
@JohanLarsson I don't think you should aim for small, just let small fall out of being simple
 
user1804599
@sehe OK. I will stop pleasing cocks.
 
user1804599
/me stops fapping
 
@sehe Missed that one.
 
8:24 PM
Wait telkitty was banned?
 
@Morwenn Being able to see history here (and all peoples' typos) is pretty good too... :-)
 
I've unstarred all the cock messages
please do not star those anymore
 
What for?
 
Being annoying for 3 years.
 
8:25 PM
Posting inline porn
 
ROOSTER
 
lol
 
@Morwenn honestly, I'm not sure that's funny. And why. ("OH SHIT - NEGLECTS" would be better even. Which is saying a lot)
 
I agree with tony, cock on the star-board just for the sake of it is just inflamatory
 
@набиячлевэлиь did I miss porn?
 
8:25 PM
@sehe Yes
 
@sehe I know right :(
 
I miss all drama damn
 
oooh. let me make for it
 
don't wanna miss international porn oversharing day
 
8:26 PM
@sehe I found it funny. But I fine almost anything funny when it comes to Pokémon.
 
@sehe Unfortunately, no. Posting porn would have been more acceptable (IMO, anyway).
 
was it chicken porn
 
@Morwenn Poquèmon?
 
@AndyProwl Unfortunately no :(
 
@JerryCoffin that's reassuring. I'm sure it's the fat pet in the meta post then
 
8:28 PM
Tine was also annoying (even Atwood got involved in her case), but at least she left.
 
Xeo
*Tina
 
hi Cat
 
Oh right.
 
@JerryCoffin Then what did she do?
 
@Puppy Still more unprovoked attacks, especially on Robot.
 
8:31 PM
Dunno about this time. I recall she once posted a video of a woman being tortured.
 
Jon is the best entertainer
 
Jon Tremaine?
 
@StackedCrooked Yes, that too (well, not just tortured--but killed)--I meant just before being banned though.
 
Only Scott is probably better but he's not here
 
user1804599
Jon Travolta
 
8:32 PM
Jon eWalker?
 
@Stacked Kalb
 
Ah.
He's ok.
 
user1804599
Just realised, if you have a policy to prefix each line of COBOL code with its line number, you can only have 1000000 lines of code per file.
 
"Ok" is a slight understatement, but ok.
 
user1804599
Because you have only six columns of free space to put anything you like in.
 
8:34 PM
@Griwes I'm glad we agree on the ok part.
 
Polarity Contest: i.imgur.com/KHLeDZT.webm
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user1804599
@sehe Did you win?
 
@AndyProwl You coming this way? :D
 
@elyse Is that like Fortran?
 
user1804599
@Morwenn I don't know Fortran, so possibly.
 
The old versions. I think you had to start on the seventh column, and there shall be a c in the first if the line was a comment line. But I'm not sure, I never used old Fortran.
Nor new Fortran by the way.
 
@elyse You are programming COBOL now!?
 
user1804599
Yeah COBOL uses the seventh column to start comments, "eject pages" whatever that may be, and for line continuations (like the backslash in C++).
 
@Morwenn Fortran doesn't (at least normally) use line numbers. In the punch card era it was common to set compilers to ignore some columns that held a line/card number, but AFAIK, the details were never in the Fortran spec.
 
user1804599
That's handled here in my compiler: github.com/rightfold/cobolscript/blob/master/lib/…
 
8:37 PM
@JerryCoffin I never said it used line numbers (but I understand the confusion), I only said that it started at the seventh column :p
 
Oh, just found out that Atwood did a reddit ama recently.
 
user1804599
Newer COBOL versions allow the implementation to not require code to start at at least the seventh column.
 
user1804599
I haven't implemented that.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked Yes. I write programs in it for testing my compiler.
 
Are you writing a COBOL compiler?
 
user1804599
8:39 PM
Yes! :D
 
You never cease to amaze.
 
user1804599
Because GnuCOBOL doesn't work on my machine, and I don't want to use proprietary language implementations, and I want to program in COBOL.
 
user1804599
We can conclude that the only option is to first write a new COBOL compiler.
 
@Morwenn To my recollection it didn't officially start at column 7. First column is pretty much as you described (C for comment, ` ` for normal line, + for continuation line, etc.) Skipping columns before that happened, but wasn't part of the Fortran spec, AFAIK.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked here are some programs it can now compile: github.com/rightfold/cobolscript/tree/master/examples
 
8:42 PM
> Columns 7 to 72 served as the statement field.
 
@Morwenn Hmm...I guess my memory's even worse than I realized. Thanks.
 
@JerryCoffin You're right though: the first 7 columns weren't ignored :)
 
user1804599
I had this idea of using punched cards to store HTML, CSS and JavaScript. Upon a browser requesting them, the server would make pictures of the punched cards, send them as JPEGs to the browser, and then JavaScript code would use Emscripten-compiled OpenCV to read them.
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user1804599
Were punched cards read with lasers and light sensors or with pins and pressure sensors?
 
why not png?
or gif to be retro
 
user1804599
8:45 PM
Because they're photographs.
 
ah, nvm
 
user1804599
Now I know why bank transactions are slower during weekends! The cleaners clean the punched card readers during weekends!
 
@elyse I believe both light-based and contact-based varieties were built. By the time I was involved, I believe most readers were optical (but using normal light, not lasers, as far as I know).
 
user1804599
@JerryCoffin Nice.
 
user1804599
Reading data at the speed of light.
 
8:47 PM
Oh, I just noticed this happened after I left
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Q: Lounge C++ frozen by mod?

Tony The LionSeriously why is Lounge C++ being frozen by Mod Gordon? I mean really? Because we're not on-topic?

 
user1804599
I imagine these days they use such lasers for reading them:
 
user1804599
 
@ElimGarak hahah
good times
ironically that question was closed as "off topic"
 
@elyse Not sure about that...
 
user1804599
There were also premium punched cards. They were made of noble metals such as cardboard and cake.
 
8:48 PM
@elyse That's not reading. That's obliterating.
 
very very well played
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked Nice obliteracy.
 
@AndyProwl Honestly it's because no one here likes her. She wasn't even that much of a troll, people just flat out disliked her.
 
@ryan: Except the user who linked that is a despicable troll that many of us don't want, and the content she posted is not representative. — DeadMG Jul 31 '13 at 15:54
Ah... The she-devil.
 
> If any of our top 10 contributes would walk into your room and insult everyone in there, you would want us to step in (ok, I am not sure you would. You are the C++ folks. You actually might even enjoy the insults).
 
user1804599
8:49 PM
@sehe If there are 26 letters, then there are also 20 letters. OP doesn't understand logic and we can only conclude he is a faggot.
 
Jul 31 '13 at 12:16, by Tony The Lion
@Borgleader Welcome to The Lounge :)
@Borgleader ^^
 
@elyse Erm, no.
 
Apparently I welcomed you personally to the Lounge
totally forgot about that
<3
 
@elyse Can't argue with that :D
@ElimGarak Fuck off.
 
user1804599
If I had a daughter I'd call her Ogyny. Then when somebody asks me what her name is then I can say "that's Miss Ogyny!"
 
8:52 PM
Wait, contentious? Removed for the safety of teh lounge.
 
Jul 31 '13 at 12:34, by ShuklaSannidhya
Telkiity got us banned.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked Fuck Gordon.
 
heh, how unsurprising
lol
 
@ElimGarak Dude don't be so scared.
I was responding to the quoted person.
 
8:53 PM
Oh yeah I remember the Gordon situation.
We don't like Gordon anymore.
 
Oh, I don't want issues for the Lounge. Although, I wasn't surprised it was Telkitty.
 
user1804599
> I want to make a new CXXMethodDecl instance programmatically and insert it into one of the CXXRecordDecls
 
user1804599
haha RIP
 
I have some vague recollection of it
@elyse I do that all the time
 
user1804599
shush :[
 
8:54 PM
> I am the rules!
lol
 
user1804599
@Puppy <elyse> burel: I know a guy who does that all the time
 
I feel like writing code but not on laptop.
Too late to go to work now.
 
Gawd, I've reading Gordon's posts on the matter, what an asshat.
 
> You don't have to talk about C++. FWIW, you can talk about PHP in there. It all doesn't matter as long as the majority of chatter is programming related. Because we are a programming site. And even if am repeating myself: Off-topic is okay. Just get back to On-Topic eventually.
PHP is by definition offtopic in a C++ room. And if PHP (shit) goes, everything goes.
 
8:57 PM
@JohanLarsson Get a mechanical keyboard for your laptop. The code you write is suddenly good and inspired code.
Even php feels like solid code on a mechanical keyboard.
 
@Morwenn that images is like "woah my, where did those boobs come from?"
 

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