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5:00 AM
Elem is very neat but I never managed being good at it somehow
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva One of the last profession I figured out how to use, along with thief and initiative.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I expect your revenant will be Norn then ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I’ll go for salad because Mordremoth calls to us
(and heavy armor salad looks amazing)
 
I have a salad necro M and salad mesmer F
Too mainstream I know
 
eh I think the Sylvari appeal died very fast after release, although it has a solid core of fans
 
Can I quit my job with motive "GW2 expansion"
Well IIRC the least played race is Charr and then Sylvari rite?
 
5:04 AM
Charr for sure, I don’t recall where Sylvari and Asura place.
I think race-professions combo are more interesting to look at. Ever see a Norn Mesmer? With giant clones?
 
ugh
with a pink fancy outfit and shattering butterflies
 
:D well I see very little of those
 
My mesmer is Charr, cus I also didn’t see too many of those and I didn’t think of the giant clones
 
Yeah mesmer Charr happens like never
 
5:07 AM
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I declare self-selection bias!
 
I remember one on Jade Sea that was very nicely done though, entirely white with Eternity GS
Glowing with glorious glory
 
Ah well the WvW Charr are their own category.
 
WvW is great as engineer
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva That profession spread is surprisingly even (save for engi as expected).
oh, and necro
 
> Warrior 2389 15.9 %
what a surprise
 
5:09 AM
Yeah but see that ranger number? That’s self-selection.
You can’t throw a CC without hitting a ranger.
 
There was a nearly undefeatable ranger combo once and everyone started making rangers
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva eeeh, it’s waxed and waned over the months
 
Then it got nerfed and the class fell back into mediocreness
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I remember
100% uptime regeneration and evades right?
 
Yes
It was awful
 
5:11 AM
You can still make very durable ranger builds but they haven’t come back. I think it’s because a lot of professions can survive in roaming and perform better or the same but more easily (e.g. warrior, mesmer, teef).
 
Also the combo with sharpening stone and quick fire JESUS (it's fine if you can reflect the projectiles but a massive PITA otherwise)
Can thief perform well in WvW now?
As engi my worst fear is usually ele
 
It kinda works again because rapid fire is so powerful now but you only get one sharpening stone, so it’s more of a PvP thing.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Roaming/havoc kind of deal, without issue. Also stupidly good and/or annoying for duel|ing/trolling.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva One time the devs noticed ele was a bit silly, so they kinda nerfed it. But then they undid it and made it stronger. Were you there?
This year, even.
 
I haven't played since I moved to HK. :(
@LucDanton Good job ANet
 
I am back nerds.
Hello.
 
5:15 AM
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva This led to this
i.e. prompted by a team that won a (small) tourney with this exact comp
 
At least in WvW you can ignore d/d celestial for a while lol (i.e. there are more pressing threats and/or more juicy targets)
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva These days the way to not die in either PvP or WvW is mostly achieved through mobility rather than tankiness per se.
 
I don't think full celestial d/d is viable in WvW anyway, is it? It's (or was) usually mixed with berserker / knight.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva For roaming you can probably get away with it but it’s milquetoast, for blob-vs-blob (or even blob busting) then yeah berserker staff is super useful
iow use it if you don’t stand dying while roaming and don’t feel like you have to be useful
it’s like sword warrior during roaming
 
Now you make me want to play ;_;
 
5:21 AM
All this works because slows don’t affect mobility skills anymore. You can only punish/prevent mobility through hard CC or immob (that one doesn’t work against warriors), or having superior mobility.
 
Slows don't affect mobility anymore? :o
Insane
 
The clang interface for comments is honestly pretty good lol
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva it went like this: they revealed the Reaper, and how it loves chills
 
So if you chill an ele it can still RTL away?
That sucks I had a neat chill build on my necro :w
 
then they announced that cripple and chill don’t affect leaps etc. the same way swiftness/super speed wouldn’t
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva So did I, and I was super looking forward to upgrading that to Reaper ;_;
 
5:24 AM
0/10 bg
 
What happened (I think) is that swiftness leaps were too much of a headache for them—they allowed players to break out of bounds, and for actual gameplay it made their performance vary too wildly
i.e. nobody could catch a rushing warrior under swiftness
 
Tiles for the bathroom
 
They also decided to have slows not affect them for consistency in the rules and help them perform while under pressure, I guess. I honestly think it wasn’t the right call.
 
Darker one for the floor, lighter one for the walls
 
now nobody can catch a rushing warrior no matter what
 
5:26 AM
hmmmmmm
Do they even test those changes
 
Well, probably not. The last 'event' they introduced last week was bugged and didn’t give out rewards.
…in addition to being shitty and boring like the very early season 1 stuff
 
... after 3 years
 
yeah it was super weird, whereas the Lion’s Arch restoration update before that was super fun and it had no event or barely anything
 
oh my thing doesn't support overloaded functions
lol
 
I guess that’s because I’m really into scavenger hunts and jumping puzzles though
@Rapptz rip
 
5:29 AM
I store the names raw rather than fully qualified
I think clang has a unique ID thing
like a mangled name
lemme check
 
Storing the mangled name would amount to storing the fully qualified name + discriminating which overload this is
 
are you almost done your magic c++ doc tool
 
no I stopped working on it
and I'm working on it again
I found clang_getCursorUSR
> A Unified Symbol Resolution (USR) is a string that identifies a particular entity (function, class, variable, etc.) within a program. USRs can be compared across translation units to determine, e.g., when references in one translation refer to an entity defined in another translation unit.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva What did you use to do most in the game? I get the feeling that you did a lot of WvW.
 
sounds unique enough
 
5:33 AM
Is that the child of clang_getCursorUSAand clang_getCursorUSSR
 
yes
born in an alternative universe when the cold war never happened
 
@LucDanton I did a lot of everything, perhaps the least played aspect of the game in my case was dungeons
 
> # Some linux VTs output these (why?)
 
My first years were essentially roaming the open world, then a lot of PvP and WvW (with a group of 2 friends). Quite varied gameplay actually, more focused on a specific aspect depending on the period.
What do you do?
 
Ah, I did open world/living story (+ check out WvW), a bit of fractals when they came out, a break, max PvE dungeons/fractals/word bosses, then tone it down to checking out the LS2, achiev hunt, dick around etc.; kinda re-discovered WvW these last two weeks so take anything I say about WvW with a grain of salt, it’s mostly second-hand knowledge
 
5:36 AM
Overloading works now. Ye.
 
@Rapptz That was fast.
 
c:@S@basic@z
example of what a USR looks like
 
Hah well my knowledge has probably expired by now
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva WvW hasn’t really changed in 3 years :s the builds kinda, sure
 
Is there any new map?
 
5:39 AM
@LucDanton I'm not too proud of how the code is written
it's pretty ugly/hackish.
I blame clang though.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Does 'edge of the mists' ring a bell?
 
Buses of the mists
That map is fun
 
is that a necro opinion I hear
 
I think I've had the most fun on that one
Holding a keep with my 2 friends, pushing people in the abyss
:awee:
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva The split off of obsidian sanctum and the introduction of the edge of the mists are the only two substantial changes
 
5:41 AM
Okay so nothing new
 
yup
Borderlands change for HoT though
 
Off topic: I really don't understand what they're doing. It really feels like they're only a handful working on that game.
 
They’re putting everything into HoT. The feature list is surprising long.
 
On a scale from 0 to my dong?
 
E.g. they say 'guild halls' but what it means is 'whole remake of guilds' (for the better)
 
5:43 AM
0.5
 
3 year old dungeons and fractals (mostly) => we’re getting raids
3 year old WvW => new borderlands, new upgrade system
1.5(?) year old world => 3 new huge maps
 
How huge?
I should read the update notes I guess.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I don’t want to spoil myself so I didn’t check personally :< but if have the time you can spend time in the Silverwastes, it gives an idea
e.g. it’s not huge in terms of x-y coordinates, it’s huge in terms of places and the Silverwastes is huge because it uses verticality very well, which is what they’re doing in HoT
 
Yeah the verticality is great, I wish they did that more
OTOH water combat still sucks :D
 
They’re kinda-sort of-not really phasing it out though. Some weapons sets don’t have UW weapons, no more UW fighting in PvP, new maps don’t have UW areas (then again they’re arid lol)
 
5:47 AM
convenient
 
I have some friends that need the UW fractal achievements lol, we never do it
 
Is Southsun as desert and deadly as usual
Also did they increase the drop rate of flowers pls
 
…I don’t go there so I don’t know, which probably means everyone else is thinking and doing the same so yes :D
unless it’s Karka queen time
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva doubt
what do you want them for, settler's/apothecary armor? I don’t see you as the type getting hardcore infusions
 
that’s dirty
…you mentioned unkillable rangers before, I’m onto you
 
5:51 AM
It's for the Greater Good and for my salad
 
1s10 each
 
Also I just checked, unidentified dyes sell for 85~s, which is a 4x increase since I left? :D
I was sitting on a few stacks
 
Healing power on necro?
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva They don’t drop anymore :s
 
Wait, no, engi
I had a list of builds to try out
 
Whoah, I was actually wondering how to play a healy/supporty engi
I hope you noticed but the healing bombs are gone
 
5:53 AM
There was even more imba before
 
Maybe it’s still achievable to output a lot of heals but I don’t know how, the traits are spread out and it seems clunky—what do you use?
 
The heal-on-kit-swap. That was completely borken
@LucDanton I water field + blast
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva That’s… very old, no? Did it get transformed into Backpack Regenerator?
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Yeah, much more straightforward than the silly traits. I’m hoping scrapper doesn’t require the insane kit swapping of normal engi play and try that.
 
Turret F1 + F1 blast + shoes + shield + bomb (not all of them ofc, but if you can get 2-3 it's still massive and refreshes every 15s)
 
Rocket boots 20s cd!
There’s a trait that doubles your healing power contribution to blasts.
 
5:55 AM
That's new
 
Yeah I think it’s to compensate for the healing bombs. What it really does is do a mini heal on blast (even if not blasting water), except the base numbers are small—but it scales with HP just like water blasts do.
So you go from 0.2 to 0.4.
~35s in flowers for full apothecary set, go for it :)
 
Wow, did it drop that much?
 
fuck no
I do it all the time
I misread the vendor value for the TP value
 
yeah more like ~15g
wait, apothecary?
 
5:58 AM
Apothecary.
 
that’s karka shells, not flowers
~1.6g
that’s also not exotic 80, wtf
~30g still
oh so it’s more expensive :D
 
mmm I was pretty sure apothecary was made of flowers
 
no onebox? I’m outraged
 
Oh I meant jewellery
 
then get ascended with laurels+wvw badges and guild currency :D
it saves you the jewel, too (I guess they come with otherwise though, it’s been a long time since I crafted exotic jewelry)
Oh and get rings to drop during fractals/wvw/pvp
 
6:04 AM
yeah I got a few nice rings and more importantly FRACTAL DAGGER AND SHIELD
 
That’s like 20 laurels the amulet (~10g opportunity), rings for free, accessories with commendations
 
And pistol but who cares
 
you have three? :s
 
@LucDanton Not bad
@LucDanton I had my fractal period at some point :D
 
oh and if you don’t have luck for the rings you can force with pristine relics—didn’t mention because I’m hanging on them dearly
Three is still a lot
 
6:06 AM
using the USR seems like a mistake
how2fullyqualifyname
 
@LucDanton Is it?
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Depends how you play. Starting at >40 it becomes okay, so if you farm 50 regularly then yeah you’ll have them
 
I don't think I ever got to 40, possibly mid 30s
 
We have ~1500 combined runs all <40 and something like 3 skins between us—that’s 5 different people
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Yeah relatively lucky, a friend and I alse are mid 30s (him close to 40 iirc) and we have one each :D
 
The game loves me more than you
 
6:09 AM
What’s dumb is that I have more than enough AR to run 50’s but the personal reward system is too slow.
 
Content gayting
 
So even if I were to farm 50’s I’d still get my crappy 30's rewards :/ For at least 15ish runs
needless to say I don’t have 4 people to run 50’s with
btw I got to early 30's with PVT necro—I don’t recommend it >.>
 
:D
Engi => spam heal => jump everywhere => np
 
oh
when did you do those fractals?
 
I had 2 phases IIRC, first one shortly after they were introduced, second one after they changed how it works (the one with Mai Trin). 2nd phase is much harder.
 
6:13 AM
you run zerk right?
(btw they buffed Mai Trin, it’s the PUG destroyer)
 
Mmmm I don't run zerk, it's a hybrid, but I forget the exact build
 
with friends? does it take long?
 
Despite having run fractals you have a world of PvE still left to discover :D (I mean that as a good thing)
it’s why I don’t recommend the PVT necro thing
I kept hearing how those people farmed dungeons etc. which I really didn’t understand, since it was all a chore to me (fractals were semi-fun at least)
 
I really enjoy PVE, it's what made me prepurchase actually
Listening to the NPCs, falling into what cave etc
 
6:16 AM
So I checked out how you do dungeon speedrunning right and turns out it’s super fun if you do it a certain way (but I’m a PvE kind of person)
 
"Oh look onions" and then you end up 150 km away of where you wanted to go
 
It’s… its own small world though, it’s nothing like the rest of the game
 
Fight against mobs is too ez though
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva lol
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva What’s interesting about dungeon speedrunning etc. is challenging to the limit
 
I have no interest in speedruns :s
 
6:18 AM
e.g. apparently you can solo a full fractal 50 run, but that’s a super extreme example though
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva It’s too distinguish it from the 'let’s pick 5 people and trudge slowly through a dungeon' approach
e.g. yesterday we did a path with 2 then 3 people in ~30 mins, it’s not super fast but fun
also, 3g each and tokens
 
2 people for a dungeon, nice
 
anyway I like it for the coordination it requires, it feels rewarding unlike what we used to do shortly after release
 
Oh I get what you mean
 
If you’ve spent some time inside Sorrow's Embrace then yeah :< damn dredge
 
whoever thought immunity to blindness was a good idea
 
6:22 AM
the boon spam makes you think you would be useful as necro but you still aren’t
anet very cruel sometimes
 
SE is one of the few dungeons where I play thief because it allows to bypass content yeah
 
Path 1 and 3 which are the ones you farm can be run without stealth, you should try Caudecus (it’s hard to learn on your own though)
Speaking of engi, I’ve solo’d path 2 several times
 
I think I've never done all caudecus paths :D
 
Yeah, me neither until I figured out PvE—it’s a giant bore otherwise
With stealth you go from boss fight to boss fight
 
So how to PvE
 
6:25 AM
All 5 zerk, stack in corners, use icebows
it used to be that you used fiery greatswords as well lol but they fixed it after 2 years or so
 
Ah they finally fixed that
 
That nets you an easy dungeon path in ~20 mins depending, CoF p1 is something like <15 mins with a PUG—2g for everyone!
for the more advanced stuff you time group stability, reflects, cleanses, and ensure good buff coverage
 
rip gold value stability
 
I don’t really mind the new system (can you tell I haven’t wvw’d a lot—and that I played necro a lot?)
> CoF Path 1 4 m 42 s
 
rip necro in WvW
 
6:28 AM
world record
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Not at all, it didn’t have stability before and it doesn’t have stability now so it’s all the same
 
It has very low mobility and that's terrible
 
it has very low anything that makes the GW2 combat system interesting, save for soft cc application and fear
the only times necro were used in PvP were the times when it had obscene damage you can’t ignore and where the counter is to send everyone to mob the necro
nowadays they don’t have obscene damage and still get mobbed, very fun to play
 
I had a very neat well build that was insane in pvp
In WvW it doesn't work
i cri
 
it does
wvw necro is a staple and wells have a lot to do with it
the subtleties of pvp that makes this not appealing are lost to me (but yeah mobility is likely an enormous factor)
 
Because disengaging in PvP is much harder, WvW disengages are very commonplace, same for c/c clean
 
6:33 AM
It’s the opposite now I think
 
Ele, thief and mesmer use verticality (also stealth) to escape and go out of combat
well
wvw necro is a staple of big fights, not roaming
 
still works
I recently learned of venomshare+wells, I want to try it lol
I want to venomshare in general though
 
I'm probably not good enough a necro then
 
6:36 AM
You can’t really get it wrong, you put wells on the enemy and throw stuff from afar :D
the only mistake you can make is following the front-line too closely
 
Oh it was not a placed-well build
 
Ah, that was rolled baseline
 
It's a HOLD THE CAP WITH WELLS nobody can get in anyway
 
That’s an old school roaming well build
dagger 3, well bomb, ded
 
With chillds and blinds and things
Yeah essentially
 
6:38 AM
Don’t know enough about roaming then to comment :) For big fights though it’s been GWEN for a long, long time
 
I gave up roaming as necro, engi simply trumps all fun-wise
Permaswitfness oblige
 
it also remains strong while in inferior numbers (thanks guild wars 2 combat system), unlike necro
 
yes against inexperienced players it remains p strong even outnumbered
ALSO it's very fun for trolling. important.
 
I only noticed magnet pull is unblockable this w-e lol
it’s like an anet employee played engi and said to herself 'all this countering can’t just keep happening'
but it’s okay because necros have no block
 
lol
Game feels unfinished at times
 
6:44 AM
I like it in its current state save for necro and ranger sword, that’s a very short list
(I also don’t PvP)
 
Don't tell me you're okay with warriors :w
 
I’m 100% okay with warriors but for full disclosure I played warrior during the w-e
I haven’t played warrior a whole lot though
 
They are too stronk
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva They were strong when we were collectively bad at the game, they actually had to overhaul warrior (well-desservedly) after
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva play less necro
i.e. when we figured out throwing any sort of soft cc at the warrior kept it from doing anything they made it reasonably strong against soft cc
use hard cc/evades/blocks <- things the necro doesn’t have
 
As engi they are not very big of an issue (except they reset at will), as necro I just /sit and wait.
 
6:47 AM
yeah
also I play objective-focused, I have 0 advice on killing a warrior
mmmh I think thief has enough mobility to keep pace with them though
Thief killed me very easily yesterday because he evaded my stuns
trying to run away was a mistake
 
Against warrior the only thing to know is to just properly evade
Most of their attacks are telegraphed
And you should really save your evade for the important ones
 
righto, which as a bonus makes you a better player overall
 
If you evade properly they're virtually useless
 
Hence why I’m 100% okay with warriors
 
Right
I'm just annoyed by their escapability frankly :D
 
6:50 AM
I get what you mean but for better or for worse it’s more the norm than the exception currently
Ranger, Warrior, Mesmer, Thief can all disengage without issue in the direst of situations
Eles and Guardians are sort of okay, they can at least try
dunno about engi, necro=lol
 
Engi can disengage moderately well
 
I think engi is fucked, you have the durability but not the mobility per se
as a flipside it’s more than strong for kiting
So successfully escape by killing pursuers :D
 
You can smoke bomb + shield and shoes and by the time stealth expires you're far
 
oh I forget about engi stealth all the time
 
Doesn't work against ele and thief though, which are much faster
 
6:53 AM
yeah I’ve had more than one engi vanish from me
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva The throw elixir is more popular, likely because it’s more or less foolproof
you can probably combo more safely after
 
Throw elixir is nice but less flexible
 
e.g. if they stab the shield then your combo fails
 
I used to run throw elixir a long time ago but then they removed something
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I don’t see how. For one it cleanses you so you really have the room to really do whatever you want to do next.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva The traits were bugged as hell and did things they did not advertise, they had to make it right
btw now engi can moa several people at once
 
Because I run bomb + shoes + turret, so elixir is less useful than any of these IMO
 
6:57 AM
heal turret right? you still have room
I guess you want toolkit though
 
Earthquake turret
Or toolkit yes
 
turrets can be crit and receive condis now :(
they’ve really fallen off the wayside now, save for heal turret which is as good as ever
 
That's absurd they were already awfully weak
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva They overdid it at one point and it made pvp painful so everybody else had to suffer
I guess blasting with thumper is fine though
 
DAE game design??
thumper is very specific though, I use it mostly in 1v1
 
6:59 AM
Very heavy on blasts, I like it. I really want to scrap with something like that. It’s just that thumper is likely the first thing I would replace.
elites appear on the toolbelt now
 
Oh it was worse before, I used to run mine kit with ram :D that was very mean
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva lol
 
With rifle and knight build
 
I would like to play gadgets too but the gadget trait is ultra garbage
of course it’s rifle :D
 

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