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18:00
I run PHP on C++ code sometimes
as a preprocessor
@milleniumbug Why would you do that? That's like walking barefoot on a street of broken class and nails.
Sounds better than using C preprocessor for that really
10 minutes before class... no professor in sight.
preprofessor
Heh.
OH, WAIT
THE CLASSROOM IS ONE FLOOR BELOW ME
DERP
18:04
@πάντα ῥεῖ want to discuss stackoverflow.com/questions/32528150/…?
user1804599
@Mysticial Because the C preprocessor sucks.
Alright.
I'm in Programming Language: Python
> #include<bits/stdc++.h>
Ho Lee Fook
18:12
@milleniumbug Huh?
How many digits of pi can you compute in pi seconds?
Oh, from the question.
This class is so booked
people are sitting on the air conditioning
(me)
@ThePhD are you trying to tell us you have a hot ass?
@Borgleader That's... one way to look at it! :D
Wow. I've reset my computer, completely destroyed and rebuilt my user-related solution files, hand-verified all of my project and solution file... and VS 2015 still just ups and crashes everytime it hits a breakpoint.
18:24
> VS
Here's your problem
@Rapptz What's your Python "IDE"?
I use Sublime Text 3 + Python 3 in command line
But haven't tried much otherwise
I got told that PyCharm is quite nice
It's meh
18:35
@milleniumbug It's quite nice.
It looks like my only fixing recourse is to reinstall VS 2015. =/
user1804599
WTF
user1804599
libclang tells me about class templates, except when they have default template arguments.
18:50
Nice.
user1804599
@milleniumbug It does at least some static type checking.
user1804599
Also, in C++03 mode, clang thinks function declarations are variable declarations, but in C++11 it thinks they're function declarations.
Just ignore C++03.
If you don't maintain tools for C++03, it might help people to switch to more recent versions (or other programming languages).
user1804599
I wasn't planning on supporting C++03, but I forgot to pass -std=c++14 to libclang.
18:57
@ScottW you want to overload your system?
DEBUG ATTEMPT #13
HERE WE GO
.......
> Lightstalker.pdb not loaded
Wtf
WTF
So that's why VS is fucking up
It's producing absolutely invalid .pdb files
How the fuck do I FIX that?
Now SourceTree is crashing... What have I done?
Youve angered the old code gods
call satan
user1804599
19:12
This is shiny.
user1804599
declaration = ""
for t in cursor.get_tokens():
        if t.spelling in {";", "{"}:
                break
        declaration += " " + t.spelling
clang_format = Popen(["C:\\Program Files (x86)\\LLVM\\bin\\clang-format"], stdin=PIPE, stdout=PIPE)
self.declaration = clang_format.communicate(declaration)[0]
user1804599
what is the least painful way to use the symbols from a nuget symbols package?
Eat the nuggets.
19:25
Dang, I'm hungry now.
Hunger is not enough. I'll wait for motivation.
@набиячлевэлиь « L'utilisateur a supprimé cette vidéo :/ »
So, no. A deleted video ain't no motivation.
today I got me some sweet Swift internal compiler errors
19:31
Swift?
it's that "Somehow even shittier than Objective-C" thing Apple are doing right now
and you have to code in it?
yep
:(
I can feel your pain...
me too
19:36
@Morwenn Crap
Apparently the link just changed.
@elyse is that the thing rapptz is working on
@набиячлевэлиь Crap doesn't really makes me hungry either.
The good news: I can debug again.
@Morwenn How about Carp?
19:44
The bad news: everything about the visualizers for the debugger are not ABSOLUTELY broken.
@Morwenn Then I solved the problem
you are no longer hungry because of Crap
user1804599
@Prismatic no
@набиячлевэлиь Congratuations, you highlighted the fact that I can't express what I want correctly.
def foo(l=[])
In python, that doesn't make a fresh list every call
it only makes the list once, and only when you call the function that time
That's a horrendous gotcha
@ThePhD I don't write much python, but even I know that.
user1804599
19:57
Why the fuck does clang tell me the source of a class is struct sequence_source <.
Because it doesn't like you.
user1804599
@ThePhD Yes. It's terrible.
@elyse IIRC Clang uses the same representation for both structs and classes.
user1804599
That doesn't matter.
user1804599
struct sequence_source < isn't C++ code.
19:58
there's just like 1 getter to tell you what the tag type is
@elyse Looks like a C++ code fragment to me
user1804599
Yes, but get_tokens() ought to give me the tokens of the entire class definition or declaration.
@elyse Looks valid to me.
that... doesn't always make sense to do.
I'm doing C++ at work. And right now I'm using struct sockaddr_in.
for example if it's a template instantiation
20:00
@fredoverflow You sure do love Java and Scala :)
Clang doxygen says there is no such member anyway
user1804599
lolwut
user1804599
cppunit2 uses the file extension .h,v for headers.
user1804599
oh wait
user1804599
20:01
it uses .h
user1804599
but there's CVS crap all over the place
Is it .h and .v or is it literally ".h,v" the extension?
user1804599
Yes.
user1804599
I downloaded the wrong file.
20:17
How accurate is std::clock(0)?
@Borgleader Those are only bigs cats.
I want to cuddle big cats.
Yea, just noticed. But std::chrono::system_clock::now().time_since_epoch() does exist
system_clock is as accurate as your system clock
Contact your implementation's reference manual for more information
@Morwenn big cats that can snap your neck with their jaws =/
20:23
@Borgleader Just make sure you removed the teeth and the claws beforehand.
That said, I wondered whether a mere bobcat was trying to kill me yesterday.
Eh, I don't watch videos...
1.4M people marched in Barcelona for an independence rally.
That's a lot of people.
Catalan independence?
20:36
morons
Puppy, expert in international politics, strikes again.
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That's indeed a lot of people.
Catalonia has about 7M people.
Assuming most people like to stay home...
Yeah, they're gonna get their independence.
Don't think Spain will give up Barcelona so easily
Imagine if Texas tried to secede because of gay marriage.
20:38
if they want to go I'd let them go
probably raise the average IQ by a few points
From a cultural point of view, Catalonia is special enough to get its independence. I don't know anything about the rest.
Hey guys! First time in the C++ room so I'm not sure how strict the rules are
culture is nothing more than a bunch of dudes whining about what other dudes should do or not do and how they're so much better than everybody else simply because of the patch of land they were born on
but I was just wondering if you guys know the textbook "Absolute C++" and if it's a good book
20:40
no
@EtiennedeMartel oh my bad, didn't see it actually. In python the rules are on the room description
I want to be in a different geographically delimited area to Puppy
@Puppy Well, I see you still haven't improved in that area.
striek
@EtiennedeMartel If "improving" means "er mah gerd, this bit of soil is so much better than that other bit of soil" then I'm glad to not improve.
20:42
ITT Puppy's idea of culture boils down to a "bunch of dudes whining..."
I've yet to witness it having any other meaning
Puppy I expected better from you, I am disappointed.
or indeed any value whatsoever
Dang "But if we detect any hint of entitlement, we will tell you to fuck off and go away. And if you persist, we will troll you to tears and whiny meta posts."
@Mysticial Hmm...how much would we have to bribe them to do that?
20:43
@TonyTheLion If by that you mean that's the viewpoint I've been expressing for the last five years
That's hardcore haha
eh
thugh life
that's us
@Puppy I've never read your definition of culture before today, I was not able to comment on it until this day
and a sad day it is :(
#TooEdgy5Me
20:44
But yeah, I'm just asking about "Absolute C++" the book only because if I ask it on stack overflow... well, I can't - it's not really a question
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Q: The Definitive C++ Book Guide and List

grepsedawkThis question attempts to collect the few pearls among the dozens of bad C++ books that are published every year. Unlike many other programming languages, which are often picked up on the go from tutorials found on the Internet, few are able to quickly pick up C++ without studying a well-written...

it's cool if none of you guys have read it though :)
If it's not there, we don't approve it
@TonyTheLion You could feel free to attempt to point out anything about it worth keeping or paying attention to
@Puppy I've always understood culture as common ideas and traits that a society holds, and the sharing of those ideas and traits inside that society.
20:45
shit. It's not in there. RIP
@EtiennedeMartel Right. That's the problem. That's why it's so fucking stupid.
Thanks for the link - bookmarked
But I'm guessing you never read a book, or listen to music, or go see a play.
culture: the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively.
@JerryCoffin None. Legalize gay marriage, give women equal rights, take away their guns, tax the oil companies. And they will leave voluntarily. :)
20:46
I do all of those things, but I'm proud to say that they have no geographical boundaries.
doesn't say nutin' bout dudes whining
@TonyTheLion It also doesn't say nutin about being stopped by arbitrary borders on bits of grass.
@Puppy They don't, but the area where they are created has a significant influence on them.
also doesn't say anything about geographical boundaries
@EtiennedeMartel Thanksfully the only plays I've seen was when I was very young
20:46
@EtiennedeMartel Which is a problem we should rectify.
I would never go through that again
@Mysticial Taking away their guns sounds like work. I'd rather pay a little than fight with them.
Wasn't there some state that banned marriage in general, or was that an onion story?
Probably onion
20:47
You're actually advocating the complete homogenization of human culture?
@EtiennedeMartel We don't really need to do anything, the Internet and better communications/transportation technologies will do that for us.
culture: the beliefs, customs, arts, etc., of a particular society, group, place, or time
@Mysticial Oh brother.
maybe thats a more complete definition
all we have to do is stop crying about it and trying to preserve it like it's got some value
20:48
I wish you were right, Puppy, I really do
@Puppy I'm not crying, yet...
@EtiennedeMartel Well, not exactly, but for all the parts that actually matter.
@Puppy It has value for the billions of people who create and experience culture.
@Puppy No they won't.
The situation is profoundly more complicated than that
20:48
@набиячлевэлиь Sounds like onion. OTOH, it's pretty much just a slightly exaggerated version of reality--one county clerk was ordered to issue licenses to gays along with other couples, and to avoid being accused of discrimination quit issuing marriage licenses entirely.
@EtiennedeMartel Not really.
Unfortunately, it's easier to get different interesting things when cross-breeding influences from several cultures. But that implies that there are distinct cultures to begin with.
How can you fucking transcend genres if there are no distinct genres to begin with?
Again, you're just taking your own personal experiences and trying to apply them to the whole world, as if your size fits all. In fact you always do this about every single thing. You are completely and utterly incapable of placing yourself in the shoes of others.
@Morwenn Make up genres
This is what is called "DeadMG'ing"
@EtiennedeMartel Nailed it
20:49
For you, "empathy" is only a word.
much like literally every other word to ever exist.
I doubt his incapability of seeing the ramifications of politics in our world has something to do with empathy to be honest.
@JerryCoffin Hadn't heard that story. I did hear about a judge in a state where gay unions had not previously been legal refuse to give a couple a divorce because he said the supreme court had ruled that the legal representatives of his state (i.e. himself) were incapable of making any decisions about marriage.
but I think that you're misunderstanding my perspective.
> When the wise man points at the Moon, the idiot looks at the finger
20:50
Also the major problem with unifying most of the countries into a single one is politics, not colture.
it's from a feeling of empathy that I hold this position.
Unless you take west countries and east countries, in that case the problem is also colture.
if you argue that the Catalan culture has value, then why the fuck should the Catalans have it and nobody else? I want that value too. In fact, I think everybody in the whole damn world should have whatever value they have to offer.
Who or what is preventing you from having that?
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ It depends whether the politics decide that there should be a national culture or not.
20:52
Unifying everybody on a continent worked quite well in FUTU.RE, but these are slightly different circumstances
@JerryCoffin And I heard about the clerk that was jailed for refusing to sign licenses for gay couples.
nothing really, I could experience Catalan culture if I really wanted to, but I don't, as I think it has no value.
@Morwenn Politics is by no mean the only influencer of national colture
however on the flip side, if Catalan culture has no value, then there's no point in preserving it.
It's mostly historical really
20:53
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I don't know how much travelling you've done, but I've done quite a bit, and I can tell you even in Western countries cultures differ quite a bit. And sometimes it is subtle things, but when you are in a different place, you notice them and if you were to move there, you'd need to adapt.
so either way, the current status quo does not make sense.
Good evening.
I see you all are arguing.
@Puppy It has no value for you.
if their culture has value, we should take that value and put it somewhere useful.
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Of course, but it plays a role. Many important cultural things happen in reaction to political decisions.
20:53
@Nooble Lounge business as usual. Evening to you too :)
if it doesn't have value then let's burn it like all the other failed branches of our evolutionary tree and give those people something that does.
randomly putting it in one region of Spain doesn't make sense either way.
People that live in the north of italy mostly talk german not because the government is telling them to, it's because historically those lands haven't been italian.
That value is subjective and varies from person to person.
20:53
As an example.
> The fundamental concept of value.
@caps It was a bit more than just refusing to sign. All marriage licenses in that county had her signature, so she shut down issuing them completely. While she was in jail, her deputies started issuing again, so judge freed her. Last I heard, she was saying things about firing the deputies for following judges orders instead of hers.
@TonyTheLion Sure, I'm saying that politics is what is actually stopping that from happening.
You can't just quantify it using some metric and then claim that it should be shared after a certain threshold.
Not that colture is less important.
20:54
Just because you don't care doesn't mean nobody should care.
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I'm not sure why politics is stopping that?
really? because I have to say that that is pretty much what I had in mind.
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Is there a particular reason you keep misspelling that word?
@TonyTheLion I doubt that any government wants unification with other countries to be honest. Unless that country is somewhat poor and would benefit from the economical unification with other countries.
20:56
But, again, you seem to hold as objective truths things that are simply subjective perspectives.
@caps What word?
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ culture
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ ah in that respect. I was thinking more theoretical and not considering things like politics.
but yea, you have a point
subjective perspectives can be objective truths.
Once you have a separation you have penis-length measurement
20:56
depends on the situation
But I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. I know very little about politics.
Nobody is objective, so if you're talking about a human experience, then it is subjective by definition. Culture is the sum of all human experiences, so it is also subjective.
EU happened after all
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I have limited knowledge, only what I've learned on Internets and news
user1804599
20:57
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Historically, China hasn't been Italian either, and they don't speak German there.
And is unhappening now too apparently.
well that's not really true.
user406009
@EtiennedeMartel Do you think there are such things as objective evil? Like, if a culture is all about rape and killing, is that fine?
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ When I said that politics could affect culture, I was thinking of totalitarian regimes for example. They more or less choose elements of the culture.
it's hard to find a culture of hunter-gatherers these days, for example.
20:58
@Morwenn That's true
so it seems pretty obvious to me that the Universe has decreed that that culture is not good enough to survive.
@Puppy The sentinelese.
and I see no reason why any other culture should not go the same way.
user406009
@Puppy Survival of the fittest doesn't necessary result in survival of the most civilized.
@Puppy Now its the Universe, woah you couldn't have stated it any more broadly?
20:59
@elyse I fail to see what you are getting at there
evolution is a law of the universe in which we live.
You generalize so much that what you say becomes entirely meaningless
user1804599
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ You said that German is spoken in some lands because they haven't been Italian historically.

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