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09:00
@Morwenn whoa.
When you use the latter, you cannot do it safely in a header
@Xeo sounds lame. I'll stick to defaulted-on-declaration
@nabijaczleweli no lol
@Mr.kbok I encountered the problem when I wanted garbage-initialization but got zero-initialization instead.
I have one logic question. If here i angry one of senior programmer. He or she is going to cut my all points. Is it true if yes? Have a logic?
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09:00
@LucDanton I asked how you would avoid using new in response to Xeo saying he doesn't use new at all
@Morwenn Yes, it's the POD/aggregate rules right? I thought I was the only person in the world to care about zero-initalization :)
@Prismatic It doesn’t make a difference. If he is in a context without access, he can’t use new. If he is in a context with access, he doesn’t (that’s what he said).
Because the alternative to new is make_unique or make_shared generally. But you can't use either with private or protected constructors. You can use the pass key idiom... and I think there's a hack ish way to do something but it doesn't just work'
@Mike yes very logic wow
@Mike r u NgrE?
09:01
@Mai what is NgrE?
@LucDanton What? You just used new in a context where you didn't have access to create struct foo
wipe his points
@Mr.kbok I have my old question here if you want to have a look at the problem I had :p
@elyse I know. But the kind of people who do that don't know about RVO either so return pointers
@Prismatic Click 'compile' if you don’t have the compiler output.
user1804599
09:02
@Mr.kbok fucking noobs.
@Mike Fokin yank speak te queens English u lil shite we all no ur addictd to teh vag skin u wankstain.
Anyway, I have to go. Later.
user1804599
bye ;_;
@Prismatic error: within this context new foo;
One more question if steve job not dead. What is the progress of apple still same or different?
09:03
@elyse Bye ^_^
Okay, sorry I confused myself
@Mai never use bad language or bad word its not good.
But even if you do have the right context you still can't use make_unique or make_shared.
@Mike Try com down bristol way an ill fookin shag ur nan a shaggin rite heere!
@Morwenn What I thought. Good job on finding the cause :)
09:04
@Mai You want to come up?
Oi u littl shite I sware on yer mum. i jus came out ur nans minge m8.
user1804599
Use Haskell and return by don't-give-a-shit-because-of-referential-transparency.
@MaiLongdong minge means lady parts
@Coolblue_NL I will just enhance, zoom and rotate across the room using my mad Visual Basic GUI skills. (Or maybe I should drop by once.)
@Mai ok i agree me little you big that is ok?
09:05
I sometimes read the C++ spec before going to bed to calm my nerves.
@Y.kened erm. Off-duty
@Prismatic possibly
@Prismatic Obtaining a key means restricted accessibility but using it (e.g. calling a constructor with it) doesn’t have to.
@sehe ++
@Mike ok no
user1804599
09:07
I wish source files had to contain tables of content with exact line numbers.
@Mai you are Chinese?
He is french :D
ooohhhhhh
I'm Hong Kongese but I speak a bit of French too
@elyse Line 1 through 1237 :: Absolute, horrid shit. Don't touch or it will break.
@MaiLongdong And you have a long dong.
09:08
@LucDanton yeah. I used a key param to control how objects derived from a certain type must be created only with a given factory function
sounds awful
@Mai you can speak Chinese?
oh its even worse, I did it to force 2-phase init :]
Prismatic, burn your repository and build anew.
Burn the entire account.
09:09
it works tho
auto thing = make_object<Thing>(args); // hotness
user1804599
I think std::ref should have been called std::make_reference_wrapper.
@Mike What "Chinese"? There's many languages under that umbrella, ella, e, e.
I like reiterating on code, regardless of whether it works. It's a bit of a fetish for me to make it as elegant as possible.
Also, has anyone here ever had to fire somebody due to low code quality?
@ElimGarak Oh god. I hate that character trait. Because I have it
@ElimGarak I have the same handicap and I hate it
09:12
@ElimGarak I've had to suggest it
It is particularly hard to explain when the shit miraculously works. Makes a difficult situation even more difficult.
> a bit of
it's not wrong
user1804599
I have that trait too, except at work.
hi
09:14
it's not Wong
@jalf whoah, hi!
Today is reunion day?
@sehe dunno, is it? What's up?
We have some long-time-no-sees today
@sehe we do?
Olafur
@ElimGarak "It's hard to work with this guy" is easy enough to explain
user1804599
09:16
Also, who here is stuck working with ye olde compilers (everything not implementing the spec brought forth in the year of our Lord C++, 2011-ish) and codebases that the Romans wrote?
awesome. Good timing then. Hi all :D
Besides kbok.
user1804599
Maybe I shouldn't write SAFTCOF in Clojure.
user1804599
Clojure is pretty awful.
09:18
Give Clojure some closure before you dump it.
is github hella slow for anyone else
@Prismatic It's probably just you.
But then again, it does feel a bit sluggish here.
Requests take up to 10 seconds.
I literally have no words... http://t.co/eApzMgOcQm
Game engines seem to be a pretty big block on the GitHub explore page.
@sehe Pareidolia has officially hit rock bottom.
user1804599
I should write it in Perl.
user1804599
09:22
Or maybe in Tcl.
user1804599
Or in Go.
write what?
user1804599
SAFTCOF.
@elyse i feel that does't work as a synopsis of it's functionality
Sounds like a special group within the US military.
user1804599
09:24
@AdamKewley it's an acronym for "Software Application For Tracking Contents Of Fridges."
user1804599
It's a software application for tracking contents of fridges.
It's an software application
09:25
well, fridges could be modelled as immutable, containing a list of items, clojure is ideal in that regard
I used to mutate a fridge really well.
spoken like a true software architect
so when you remove the butter, you dont but you create a new fridge with the same contents but no butter?
@AdamKewley I like that logic. Anything can be modelled as immutable, so clojure is ideal for everything
09:26
If you just didn't buy any food then tracking would be a NOOP.
Problem solved.
@TartanLlama Only if the fridge is empty
user1804599
@AdamKewley No, Clojure is abysmal in many aspects.
also, hi robot!
@Columbo No worries. It was nice chatting with you.
I thought you were going fanless
user1804599
09:27
It's an incredible mess and has many feature I dislike with passion.
@thecosh I met @Columbo yesterday! Add it. Chop chop.
@elyse You've just described everything on Earth.
And beyond.
speaking of which where is cat
Cat is catching his tail.
@jalf Howdy. What's up?
Been a while.
09:28
¬_¬ sometimes thinking about what you are doing can really help... things like thinking that HTML already has a 'multiple' file upload option, so you don't need to write some JS that can auto matically as/remove single file upload inputs.
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's already up there.... what are you on about?
yeah but the multiple file gui is terrible
Guy got obliterated.
@thecosh I also met jalf :P
@elyse i see it as a more flexible functional language. Can just implement functionality fairly straight forwardly without having quite so many constraints. Both a good and bad thing though - i personally prefer middle-ground functional languages like F# to the more dynamic types
09:31
@Mr.kbok it is yeah... but selecting loads of files at once is a pita
user1804599
No.
though I might permit zips :\
@EtiennedeMartel It annoys the hell out of me. It's a bit like GamerGate: some people had genuine kind of reasonable concerns they wanted tackled, and then a bunch of nutters latch onto it and turn it into a campaign of hatred. I am sympathetic with some of the Sad Puppies' worries, but the whole thing has simply gone too far. And the fact that it required counter-sabotaging the Hugos makes it even more disgusting.
user1804599
It's full of bad ideas.
@ElimGarak rip in peace
09:31
@R.MartinhoFernandes Spot on for GamerGate. Kotaku was at the core of the issue. Along with Polygon.
user1804599
Such as special cases, nil, ignorance of types, and Java interop my ass.
i don't really have enough experience with it to comment tbh, I haven't quite finished TSAS (toilet-session auditing software) package in clojure
@R.MartinhoFernandes nuffin much. Same old, really. Called in sick with a bad cold, so thought I'd drop by and say hi :)
Turned it into something terrible, ignoring its primary call to review ethics in video game journalism.
oh oh oh, toggle for multi file selection maybe :\
09:32
The Hugos became a battlefield and everyone lost in the end (in fact, in some categories literally everyone lost).
@R.MartinhoFernandes except in the GG case the people with reasonable concerns were the ones who latched onto a campaign of hatred. The chronology is the wrong way around in that case.
But yeah, the Hugos stuff is depressing as fuck
Kudos to GRRM for trying to salvage the whole deal.
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah
user1804599
I wish there were a JVM lisp that had actual Java interop and weren't shit.
what direction of interop are you finding difficult?
getting java to use your clojure or the other way around
09:35
The issue with addressing GamerGate was at the 5 year old level. "Mom, he started it!". People should've just ignored the bullshit and focused on the real issues. But creating a big deal out of a non-issue is how you make the actual issues go away from the public's mind.
@AdamKewley interop is pain
@ElimGarak Shut it. No GG talk.
Ah, I'm not pro either way. Just saying, childish approach of "he started it".
Agreed.
user1804599
@AdamKewley both. just in general
I think it's one of those things that will always happen when you're trying to unify two quite different languages
i found interop between F# and C# could sometimes--although not as bad as clojure with java, i imagine--be a PITA
09:37
yay! first ICE down. next revealed :'(
Are you predicting my future?
@R.MartinhoFernandes who?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Train-tipping is illegal.
Just the tip.
@LucDanton yeah, hard to put the trains back on track when they have fallen over.
09:41
I know how much work I have to do. It's pretty clear cut. But the more I write code, the more of it needs to get written. Yet the workload remains constant. Probably sleep deprivation.
@ArneMertz Or crushed a truck.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I would, but I get lost along the way
user1804599
terrible
These would sell like cupcakes in Ferguson.
@R.MartinhoFernandes "self-inflicted injuries, getting lost, and fighting ICE's"?
user1804599
09:43
@AdamKewley Maybe I'll implement a lisp that has much closure (pun intended) interop with Java.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess if the plan is to not use it, what fan you get doesn't really matter... though I guess there's the toss up between, it getting hot and coming on have a constant quite fan, or the occasional blast of air that's loud then silent again
user1804599
And also green threads while I'm at it.
Oh, and be careful about cheap components, inductor hum could drive you nuts
user1804599
@elyse Win.
But she was too drunk to fly.
So, how does one buy a Dodge Charger in Europe?
09:48
All taken care of now.
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no need to worry
why this error occur : hpics.li/a5764a3 ?
@Y.kened Some errors just want to watch the world burn.
Because you use java.
user1804599
Because the specified JRE installation does not exist.
You specified a JRE installation. That installation does not exist.
user1804599
09:50
And because you misspelled "Scheduling".
@Y.kened why you ask this room in
user1804599
And because this chatroom's rules clearly specify:
user1804599
> And no PHP or Java questions, no matter what. They will be binned and you will be deemed annoying.
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Why is it so hard to go to sleep. Not even a question.
Such tired. Very Cardassian.
@jalf Ah, cool. I meant, pity you're sick :D
Ell
Ell
09:57
Morning
o/ @Ell
user1804599
ugh, F12 screenshots don't work in GZ
Schedong
@elyse Per-call environment so sorta like Python
user1804599
10:01
shit
Flattening lets could be maybe not that hard but otoh I don't really care
user1804599
statically checked lexical scoping or GTFO
Who cares
Not interesting
Boring
Already asleep here
user1804599
people who write code and want errors quickly
Hmmm. Wondering if I should sign up for these cubecomp.de/ssco15/en, cubecomp.de/mdj15/en, cubecomp.de/muc15/en. @Xeo, @Andy maybe if one of you would join? wink wink
10:05
Don't write code and moreover don't write errors
Xeo
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes soz, no plans to join any kind of competition :)
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm not good enough to compete :(
Competitions are dum
haven't even learned the algorithms yet
competitions are cool especially meeting people but I can't compete if I suck
Shut up, Cat.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, but knowing someone sucks more helps only a little bit
@CatPlusPlus Yes.
@AndyProwl It means you don't suck :<
> 2:07.18 3:36.50 DNF 1:56.02 2:44.53
10:09
I do. Come on, competitive people there probably can solve it in under 15 secs. My best time ever is 52. I need to at least learn the algorithms before I can think of competing
There's a whole spectrum between sub10s and >100.
@AndyProwl That's enough to get to the top half.
Xeo
Xeo
I'm still >100 on average, I think.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah but it's like, the best ever. Average is around 1:05
Xeo
Xeo
Haven't learned new algos for the past two weeks
Gee, you two are just a bunch of wusses.
Xeo
Xeo
10:10
I should learn the rest for the two-step OLL
I was doing 1-minute solves when I signed up for GN.
If you're not in 99th percentile you suck
Xeo
Xeo
only got sune and anti-sune.
4 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Shut up, Cat.
btw this reminds I need to buy a cube that does not break
let's do that right away
Xeo
Xeo
10:11
food time
There is a lot of people around that mark. It's not suckage at all.
user1804599
I dunno.
I'm probably gonna DNF on blindfolded, 7x7x7, and the Megaminx. Who the hell cares, though?
@R.MartinhoFernandes lot of people suck! :P
10:14
Someone needs to go give Cat hugs.
No gifs, brah.
Trashed.
Why did you even post that?
Explain yourself, young man!
@AndyProwl Meh, wuss.
10:15
Why would anyone waste time on that? People have way too much time on their hands.
Life needs to be shorter. I'd vote half of the average, but I like sehe.
I wish I had more time on my hands
And Jerry. I've been emotionally compromised. Quick, someone take over command of the Enterprise.
Make some quips about my mom while you're at it.
@AndyProwl Regardless of trying to convince you to go, this sentence irks the hell out of me. What you meant was: "I need to at least learn the algorithms before I can think of winning"
I don’t think that’s what he meant at all.
I don't think he meant at all.
10:20
I don't think so
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not necessarily winning, I just want to be competitive, which means not being ridiculously slower than those who compete for winning. It does not make sense for a total beginner to "compete" with people who are like 10x faster. If it's about competing with time and improving, I can do that by myself
(btw I just bought the cube you suggested me)
Yeah, that's bullshit, but whatever.
There's lots of people who aren't 10x faster for you to compete with.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I assume he wants to be competitive with the top or not at all.
Which is kinda understandable.
Also, I'm watching sehe's videos on livecoding, quite relaxing actually.
@AndyProwl competing against yourself and a stop watch is not competing
10:29
It is, it's called a time trial against yourself. Multiplayer games cast a ghost of your past performance.
@ArneMertz No, it is just not competing against others
@ElimGarak it's a completely different situation. No adrenaline, no competition, nothing compared to a real competition. If you are good in practice but have no experience in real competition, you will not come close to your practice times.
That depends. You're overgeneralizing
The only component competitions add is potential public shaming.
Colloquially known as sucking in front of others. According to Catxford Dict.
It's not about the public shaming either. I simply don't see a point of taking part to a competition where I'm so much worse than the top players
@ElimGarak Hence 'wusses'.
user1804599
only seven days left
user1804599
till the day of fun
10:34
> UE4
what a surprise
@CatPlusPlus Did you like Galaxy of Fire?
@MaiLongdong Yeah, it's ridiculous.
Turns out it's still possible to make space games that aren't entirely "hoo booy billions of places to do the same things in"
@ElimGarak Never heard of it
Basically, the guys that are making that made GoF. Mobile space game, average on all accounts. Maybe this will be different.
so it's basically yet another space shooter BUT with pretty graphics
My excitement cannot be contained
Citibank refuse to waive my annual credit card fee, I am devastated ...
10:36
Shittybank
@MaiLongdong It has rogue-like elements.
Then cancel the card and move to another bank, they'll waive it
@LucDanton 10/10 Gamespot.
I have another credit card
user1804599
10:37
ame for the Gspot
Just go play Freelancer again and enjoy yourselves.
@LucDanton The more important part of the game play is UE4 though
Epic Games is leaving quite a legacy. Nobody is ever going to remember a shit ton of these games, but they're all going to plink on the radar at least once because UE4. Even that mass murder piece of shit thing used it. Then had to remove the logo of UE4.
but if I cancel the card, my platinum credit history will be gone too
nobody cares
10:39
@chmod711telkitty y are u telling us all this?
Are you going to buy us things?
but UT2 was a nice game
Ah, the time when Epic Games actually made games.
Also, when Valve made games.
user1804599
Rage was all the rage but I've never heard anybody about it after that.
This is why I love Ruby.
Rage flopped commercially, but it was a solid geam.
10:40
Yes
id tech behind it has been licensed in other stuff, tho.
Half my fault, but now there are two gems installed that need different versions of ICU to work.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wrong assumption. I'm not "scared". I just don't see the point.
@AndyProwl Wuss.
@ElimGarak Wuss you
hm, 'go to wuss off' would have been better
10:42
Rage was basically what Mad Max is trying to be (Avalanche Studio, Just Cause 2 & 3 dudes). Except more Fallout + Mad Max.
FUCK OFF TELKITTY
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Why are you telling us these things?
NO ONE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT YOUR BANK ACCOUNT
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1 message moved to Trash
What the hell?
<Well, that escalated quickly image>
Why would anyone post that here?
10:44
wtf is wrong with you
I was going to delete that
you dumbass
now I can not delete the msg
What's wrong with you, telkitty?
I've been here for a few days, but you're batshit crazy.
Yapping about stuff that can be marginally associated with a conscious mind.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I care a lot
Flag for a mod and explain to them why you decided to post your bank account statements here.
Now, what was that PIN code you mentioned last time
10:47
does it have my bank account number: no, does it have any sensitive information like positive balance? no
it meant that I owe a lot of money because I have a mortgage
so what?
@chmod711telkitty WHY WOULD YOU SHARE THAT?
who doesn't
Yes that's way less sensitive than having a lot of money
10:48
Clearly you have (or used to have) a very nice Waage, to save all that money.
I could have photoshopped that ffs
Who let you have a mortgage in the first place, must be high on 'shrooms.
@MaiLongdong ?
@chmod711telkitty That is not a mitigating circumstance in any way. Only serves to aggravate further. And Martinho is already loading his shotgun.
A wage is monetary compensation (or remuneration, personnel expenses, labor) paid by an employer to an employee in exchange for work done. Payment may be calculated as a fixed amount for each task completed (a task wage or piece rate), or at an hourly or daily rate, or based on an easily measured quantity of work done. Wages are an example of expenses that are involved in running a business. Payment by wage contrasts with salaried work, in which the employer pays an arranged amount at steady intervals (such as a week or month) regardless of hours worked, with commission which conditions pay on...
10:49
He's having a really bad day because Andy is a wuss.
Eine Waage ist ein Messgerät zur Bestimmung einer Masse. Üblicherweise erfolgt dies über die Gewichtskraft. Die Gewichtskraft wird entweder direkt gemessen, wie etwa bei einer Federwaage. Oder sie wird mit der Gewichtskraft einer bekannten Masse verglichen. Ein Beispiel dafür ist die Balkenwaage. Bei Waagen der ersten Art hängt die Messung vom Ortsfaktor ab. Bei beiden Arten wird der Wägewert durch den statischen Auftrieb in der Luft beeinflusst. Abhängig von der Anwendung und der benötigten Genauigkeit werden diese Einflüsse vernachlässigt oder durch geeignete Maßnahmen berücksichtigt. Eine besondere…
Tempted to create a faux Waaage article in my native tongue. :effort:, so no.
Meh.
I hoped it'd onebox.
10:51
Do stop
@CatPlusPlus waaaage?
ASAN is an wonderful things
user1804599
The problem is not that Telkitty posts images of bank account information, but that you haven't plonked Telkitty.
because he's a room owner
You can block people here?
10:53
@MaiLongdong yes
Too bad it keeps on finding issues in 3rd parties libs that I can't change D:
ffs, it's a bunch of numbers
no account info, nothing
@MaiLongdong That's when you stop using them
and also for once I had a $0.00 on my savings account, I am very excited
Just like your IQ then
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10:54
you don't know all my cards
user1804599
lol
user1804599
> Why do Asians not understand sarcasm?

Sarcasm is more of an American thing, so people not familiar with American culture may not be amused.
In honour of telkitty I'll be posting the first half of all my passwords in a few minutes.
Yes Americans invented sarcasm and many other things such as the Latin alphabet and oxygen
10:56
Is this good enough for API reference?
@chmod711telkitty Please don't post them.
@MaiLongdong and democracy and freedom
I'd rather say that sarcasm is not popular in Asian cultures
@TartanLlama hunter2
Asians mostly don't understand sarcasm and it's terrible
I know what to post what not to post
10:57
@nabijaczleweli It could be much better.
@ElimGarak How so?
if you look at the image I posted, it had zero addition information if you are a regular
@jalf Are those patented!
@nabijaczleweli Wordy, no examples
I don't know, isn't clicking with me. Take advantage of syntax highlighting (examples) and work on your presentation and markup.
10:58
Ah, right
he's not a room owner, doesn't even have explicit write access.
@chmod711telkitty How about you go complain about it on meta, I'm bored.
trying to be funny again, are we now?
Also don't use lists for this ugh

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