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3:00 PM
Ah, won't onebox.
 
@thecoshman Tests::tests.test1.run_test().get_test_results().test_testresults_against_expec‌​ted();
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Damn. You'd think I'd been reading Java again, or something.
 
3:01 PM
In the CryEngine, the poor geometry doesn't do the engine justice.
So terrible, it gets a star.
 
@JerryCoffin Looks autogenerated.
 
@EtiennedeMartel if only it was :\
 
Also, I like how nobody noticed the actual Sponza is completely terrible for showcasing glossy global illumination (probably was a non issue in the past decade of diffuse-only). Absolutely no material variance
 
@ElimGarak where is this taken ?
 
@Sino Sponza Palace, Šibenik, Croatia
The interior court.
 
3:04 PM
@ElimGarak aren't you from Serbia ?
 
Nah, Croatia
 
Ell
Graphics r&d sounds way cool
 
Stylish
stylé :D
 
Ell
@elim how did you get into graphics? Did you say you did a physics degree?
 
It only sounds. It is months of equations, dead ends, great ideas... Which end up being only feasible in feature animated films.
 
3:06 PM
@ElimGarak This is CG?
 
@Ell I got into it the day I played GTA III. Fell in love with the notion that we can create these worlds inside a computer. Physics was just useful later on.
@Mr.kbok Photograph.
The one below is from CryEngine, pretty outdated tech.
 
@ElimGarak are you photograph ?
 
yes, it shows :)
the curtain looks terrible
 
Ell
I am kinda interested but I'm super noob
I want to do some good terrain rendering
 
I gave you guys some papers on it. But they're only useful for the physical aspects. To not get overwhelmed, start small. Basic flat shading, rasterization, get the basic shapes out.
 
Ell
3:08 PM
I'm only interested in realtime though :3
 
Terrain rendering depends not only on rendering, but also atmospheric rendering, multifractal generation of height maps, LoD managing without cracks and completely overhauling the way non-linear depth is stored and processed.
 
I'd like to learn about CG but time
 
Because the naive approach will damage your scale completely due to ineffective use of the precision available. Done right, you can have tens of kilometers of terrain in view. Without it, it looks like shit, no matter how good your lighting is.
 
I guess the title is comprehensible even if you don't speak German: berliner-zeitung.de/panorama/…
/cc @R.MartinhoFernandes
 
Ell
I don't need that much but it sounds cool :P
But I'm not sure where to start with basic terrain
 
3:11 PM
@Ell Can't be as much of a noob as me.
 
Fractals, you could start with Perlin noise, won't be realistic but you can generate a height map with it and then spawn a dynamic flat mesh and extrude it according to the height map.
 
@MarcoA. whoa, I understood the title!
 
@Mr.kbok it is way more similar to English than it is to Spanish or Italian
 
The more you introduce different spatial frequencies and variance between them, the more it gets sexy.
 
Ell
isn't simplex simpler to implement and better than perlin?
 
3:12 PM
Yep, but Perlin is a classic :Đ
 
Ell
Haha
 
@Ell simplex algorithm for linear programming?
 
And only a starting point, to bounce off to better things
 
Ell
What is a dynamic flat mesh?
 
it's a flat mesh which is dynamic
 
3:13 PM
@Ell If you want to learn simplex, I believe Bartek has some examples in his Hate engine.
 
@Nooble Y u not on mumbel
 
It's a fancy word for a mesh that can change, you start with a plane which has a lot of triangles defining it and extrude points (vertices) to heights determined by your generated height map.
 
Ell
Right
 
@nabijaczleweli 5% battery.
 
@Nooble You're on mobile and still reply to messages?
How do you do that?
 
Ell
3:15 PM
I have done that before but not dynamic
 
You'll eventually move on to using the geometry shader and the domain/hull shader stages to actually generate the geometry of the terrain on the fly. Use the camera to determine the fidelity of the terrain and how far it goes. Unfortunately, as the camera moves, with high frequency data coming into view, your vertices will flow a bit.
 
Ell
I want to use opengl 3.2
 
@nabijaczleweli Full site.
 
Vertex swimming, so called.
 
3:16 PM
Desktop mode.
@Ell Use 3.1 or use 3.3.
 
Ell
Why? O.o
 
Also, if you have got the cash, you can pick up GPU Pro books. Each of them usually tackles terrain rendering from a different author's perspective.
 
3.1 If you want to target HD3000s and 3.3 for pretty much everything else.
Or higher if targeting more recent hardware.
 
GPU Pro IV proposed the model that Epic Games uses in Unreal Engine 4, but they added patches to optimize it a little bit further.
 
@Nooble Looks really fucking broken on mobile though
 
3:17 PM
@nabijaczleweli Meh it works.
 
Also, folks, I suggest you use DirectX 11. :P
 
@MarcoA. Dafuq
 
Or OpenGL 4.3 :P
Or above. :P
 
Ell
I guess I'd target 3.1 then
 
@Ell Intel HD3000s are pretty much the lower end of the hardware spectrum, and Intel didn't want to update them beyond 3.1 (even though hardware-wise, they supported 3.3).
On Linux they do actually support 3.3, but not on Windows.
 
3:20 PM
@Ell libnoise.sourceforge.net <- terribly old, and terribly written, but, uhm, works (GPL warning)
 
Ell
I think I'd probably read some simplex code and implement myself
 
Implement it yourself. Don't use libraries if you're learning.
Defeats the purpose. Also, a lot of this stuff will force you into mathematics.
Don't resist it, just let go and do the work. It will come in handy later on.
 
@ElimGarak True that.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ With that many exclamation marks, this has to be a shit video.
 
3:21 PM
Learned more math like this than in School.
 
@EtiennedeMartel No!!!!!!!
 
ITT people are angry at the principal NIH engineer of this channel for linking a library
 
Given enough time, you'll realize that your chasing of graphics will give you a deep understanding of math, and even some parts of classical mechanics.
 
@EtiennedeMartel can't BE!!111!11!111
 
Ell
Really my interest is in the rendering thiygh, in my game I plan to design the heightmaps anyway
 
3:22 PM
And there's the instant gratification of learning mathematics with pretty shit happening on the screen.
 
@Ell I believe you meant "rendering thighs", you dirty boy
 
Also, calculus is at the core of true rendering. No going around it.
 
@Griwes Giving trigger warnings now? ;P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah :P
 
O(N^N) algorithms are cool
 
3:25 PM
Also, don't just wiki equations. Derive them yourself. It will bite you in the ass in the long run if you try to cheat.
 
@MarcoA. Ain't that O(N!)?
 
Unbounded is best.
 
@Mysticial oh la la
 
@Mysticial Owned.
 
3:26 PM
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A: Possible revenge downvoting, not caught by the serial downvoting detector

Brad LarsonAs others have indicated, if you feel that you have been the target of serial downvoting, cast a flag on one of your posts and explain what you think is happening. The serial voting script is conservative, and certain users have probed its limits as they attempt to abuse the voting system. Two s...

 
@R.MartinhoFernandes nope, even better
 
> Two such users clearly targeted you here. One of them has a history of this, and they have been suspended for a significant duration. If they are found to do this again, they will no longer be welcome to participate on this site. This message has been made abundantly clear to them.
Wondering if that's just a terribly ambiguous abuse of singular they.
 
"Voting irregularities"
 
stupid
 
This account is temporarily suspended for being a complete fucking douche.
Guess rep can't buy decency.
 
3:28 PM
@MarcoA. How is it different?
 
It's not fair, SE has it's own team of down voters. Totally not a levelled play ground.
Also chat on mobile sucks
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Verily so
 
@MarcoA. Completely irrelevant.
@nabijaczleweli Yes, still completely irrelevant.
 
@Mysticial welp he still has RU.SO =\
 
3:30 PM
@Mysticial You're no longer @ YouTube?
 
WTF
 
O(n^n) and O(n!) are sets. @MarcoA. @nabijaczleweli
 
Lemme C ... Sorting algorithms
 
If you want to show me they are different, give me one element that belongs to one but not the other.
 
@sehe The :Ð smiley and too much knowledge about graphics. But the smiley sealed the deal completely.
 
3:31 PM
O(n!) and O(n^n) are not sets
 
@Sino *chirp chirp chirp*
 
@Sino What are they?
 
chirp?
 
inb4 complexity classes or some such, i.e., sets.
 
complexity
 
3:33 PM
@AndyProwl cicadas in the background
 
classes
not sets
 
@unordered_meow oh
 
When n = 5; n^n = 25 & n! =120?
 
@Sino How do you define them?
@chmod711telkitty Completely irrelevant.
 
@Sino Yes, they are
 
3:34 PM
Totally sets.
 
Damn you, robot. I thought you did tex. Such excitement, such disappointment.
 
Stole it from Wolfram.
 
THIEF
stealing equations and stuff
 
There is a mathematical definition and an "Informatikal" one
 
Can't chat properly on phone so off 2 bed
 
3:35 PM
Go back to your Informatikal one, then.
 
Also O(n!) and O(n^n) are not disjointed
 
They're all the same definition.
 
Ell
@andy I arrive in Brno at about 3 tomorrow
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I posited that they are the same, but someone disagreed.
(And then provided irrelevant evidence involving numbers)
 
Ell
We can meet whenever you are free :)
 
3:37 PM
theta(n!) and theta(n^n) might be disjoined, too tired to figure that out
 
Computer science is a supercharged application of mathematics, robot's statement is correct.
 
@Ell Did you guys already found an accommodation?
 
Well, Wolfram's expression.
 
@Sino What's the "informatikal" one?
 
I think I'll be done around 6-7 PM tomorrow :(
 
3:37 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Exactly the same? Probably not
 
but I'll try to finish as soon as I can
 
Also, I am trying to follow too many conversation threads here. Probably sleepy.
Dropping letters left and right.
 
Ell
@andy we haven't got any yet
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm not familiar with what you're saying, probably my courses' fault (and I really am not saying they did a good job). Can you explain your point or link to something relevant?
 
@MarcoA. Does O(2N) = O(N) help?
 
3:38 PM
@Mysticial neat
 
f(x) = n^3 for example seems to be part of O(n^n) but not O(n!).
Again, might be wrong
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I agree for that
 
Apparently, if you Google how can time be relative, my response is at the top. Did only one response on Physics.SE. lol.
 
@ElimGarak f(n)\in O(\phi (n)) \Leftrightarrow \phi(n)\in\Omega (f(n)) Happier now?
 
@MarcoA. Then you can see how your evidence is not relevant.
 
3:39 PM
But it doesn't render :(
 
n! looks o(n^2)
 
No, not at all.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ read this: stackoverflow.com/questions/487258/…
 
Are people not able to explain things anymore
 
"Plain English Explanation".
 
3:40 PM
^
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Pee.
 
What you just did is the equivalent of linking to the Simple English wikipedia.
 
Ell
if we could borrow your floor it would be handy but we don't want to invade your space
Finding a hotel/hostel would be no problem at all for us
 
"Look you're wrong, the Simple English wikipedia uses different words"
 
3:40 PM
@Ell lol floor
 
DirectX is a computer program by Microsoft made so the computer can have better graphics, and play games like on the Xbox with improved graphics....
 
I think the couch is big enough for two
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes o(n^3)?
 
"That's not a Saturn V, it's an Up-Goer Five"
5
 
unless you guys are big
@Ell not so easy in Brno
 
3:41 PM
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Not that either: that breaks from 4! onwards.
 
you can stay at my place
 
Ell
@andy we have roll mats just in case I'm too big :P
 
@Ell :D ok. When are you guys leaving on Thursday?
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ And you can keep the pattern: O(N^4) breaks from 5! onwards, and so on.
 
Ell
Thank you very much, we appreciate it :) food and drinks on us in the evening as a token of Gratitude :P
 
3:42 PM
Hence my thinking it's just O(N^N)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, I figured that
 
I want to meet @Ell
 
I've met Ell in my dreams.
 
Ell
@andy we have no particular time, we will probably spend the day there while you are at work
 
I want to meet Tony. And Ell. And Puppy. And Cat. I want to hear Cat speak.
We had to get him drunk before. Only then would he speak.
 
3:43 PM
@ElimGarak Mumble.
 
Yeah, could be that they are the same
 
@Ell all right, it's just that I don't have a copy of my flat's key so I will have to kick you guys out on Thursday morning when I'm going to work :(
 
Ell
@scott you can do whatever you want to me ;)
 
'sup dog!
 
humm
 
3:43 PM
@ElimGarak It certainly shouldn't when quoted as code.
 
Ell
@andy no problem at all :) an early morning will do us good :P
 
@ScottW Ell, I'm Garak.
 
@MaiLongdong Oh, I'd never have noticed the smiley. Good catch (for me: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/10?m=25300838#25300838)
 
@ScottW Ell, I'm Garak
 
Ell
@tony I'm sure we can arrange that :)
 
3:44 PM
@Ell yay :)
 
@JerryCoffin Indeed, but has something changed? SO didn't support it? Only domain specific SEs did (Physics, Math, etc.)
 
@Ell Why don't you go to NYC.
 
Ell
Not sure when :P
 
@Ell lol
 
Ell
NYC is mileees away
 
3:45 PM
@Ell cool. I'll pick you guys up from somewhere tomorrow when I get out of work
 
The subway is #1 hotel.
 
Should be between 6 and 7
 
@Ell Swim.
 
@Nooble ohhh NYC is on my list of places to visit.
 
Ell
okay cool :) I'm not sure ill have internet so I should give you my mobile number
 
3:45 PM
and there we go rebuilding the whole project
fuck cmake so much
 
@Ell oh, ok then. You can send it andy.prowl@gmail.com
 
@TonyTheLion :D
 
I'll send you mine back
 
@Mr.kbok Haha.
 
How's GitHub loading for you all? I still have some issues every few requests, up to 10 seconds.
 
3:46 PM
@ScottW Where no man has been before.
 
@Nooble can you marry me so I get a work visa
 
Ell
After this trip I am only home for 3 days before I set off to spain, and I go to university 6 days after getting back from spain. But bristol is much closer to London than my previous location so we could Meet in a few weeks I guess @tony . It depends how long it takes me to settle in at uni
 
@ElimGarak I left in April.
 
andy is nerd
 
@ScottW none whatsoever
 
3:47 PM
@ScottW only female friends wink wink
 
@ScottW He has us <3
@ScottW But I'm 15 :(
 
@ScottW Andy's literally a star, after all.
 
@Ell cool yea, just let me know. You have me on Skype, so when you're all settled in Uni, we can figure it out.
 
@MaiLongdong Damn the adorable character sequence!
 
3:48 PM
Mar 21 '13 at 19:13, by Dog Plus Plus
 
@ScottW :((
 
> Dog Plus Plus
 
Ah, 'twas a phase when I emulated Cat Plus Plus and Puppy.
 
Ell
@tony cool, will do
 
Also I want to go to Hong Kong to visit Mai Longdong
 
3:49 PM
@MarcoA. Basically, if the functions that can be bounded by n^n are the same that can be bounded by n!, then O(n^n) and O(n!) are the same. "f(x) is bounded by g(x)" here means "for all x larger than a certain constant a, k·g(x) > f(x) for a certain constant k"
 
You should all just go to NYC.
 
Everyone is invited to visit me in my 6 square meters room
 
@Nooble Help me find a cheap place to stay and I'm coming
 
@TonyTheLion You can sleep in the subway for. $2.75.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I suppose you're right, but I have no formal proof yet
 
3:50 PM
@Nooble Thanks, but no thanks :)
 
I tought that < 9 m² are not legals
 
if you have any, link it on
 
Ell
@andy cani have your current email address? mine is elliotpotts@gmail.com
 
@Ell andy.prowl@gmail.com
 
@Sino Hong Kong
 
3:50 PM
@Ell yup, I sent it a few messages above: andy.prowl@gmail.com
 
@Nooble ah crap. guess I'll have to find another merkin.
 
@MarcoA. I'm not mathematically certain either; it's just my intuition. I cannot think of a function that would be in one set but not the other.
 
domygod
 
@ScottW My mom insisted on that name.
 
@MaiLongdong ah ok I see :D I tought you were in NYC
 
3:51 PM
@Mr.kbok There's always @jaggedSpire.
 
Busy as fuck, but good. You? :D
 
Hmm, I guess if you can prove f(x) = x^x can be bounded by g(x) = x! and vice versa, it should be enough.
 
@AndyProwl can I spam you with porn? :P
 
@ScottW are you merkin too?
 
3:52 PM
So, solve kx! > x^x for k. Prolly needs gamma functions.
 
@TonyTheLion as long as it's quality porn, go ahead! :D
 
In Croatia, they managed to classify gay marriage as a "almost-marriage-but-not-marriage-because-god".
 
@ScottW r u gay ?
 
@ScottW Cool, it's a deal then. Easier visa ever
 
Aug 4 at 16:17, by Scott W
HOW TO SUCK COCK
probably not
 
3:53 PM
@ScottW I feel like you've abandoned me. We were married once :(
 
Ell
Oops sorry lounge is too fast for me :L
 
no prob
 
@ScottW I'll bring the cheese and wine for the marriage
 
Ell
Lol elim is domagoj? I am so slow :'(
 
yay cheese
 
3:54 PM
what does it mean loungsexual?
 
@ScottW In order not to return the next day. Needed to work more, chat less.
 
@Sino literally will fuck anything in the lounge
 
Otherwise, I couldn't justify staying away for a while
Weakness.
 
Coo coo.
 
Xeo
3:55 PM
@ElimGarak So now you need to chat more, work less?
 
Scoot.
 
@Xeo Balance this time around!
 
@ScottW Yea I missed you in here
 
Xeo
stupid spacebar, I need to replace this keyboard. :<
 
3:55 PM
FFS morkdown
 
Going to the real China tomorrow I'm kinda scared D:
 
Was nice to meet you.
 
preemptive rip me
 
They'll capture you and make an example of you.
 
@Xeo Get a mechanical keyboard.
 
3:56 PM
@MaiLongdong Good luck
 
@TonyTheLion Can I some too?
 
@Xeo Ducky!
 
I love China
 
/cc @R.MartinhoFernandes the cup is yours
:D
 
3:56 PM
@Xeo Pok3r best keyboard.
 
@MaiLongdong don't eat the purple ones!
exit
 
I can take off my hat when the time comes
 
well, that's a thing :\
 
@ScottW You're a big A.
 
Ell
I thought anal was the big A
 
3:57 PM
@ElimGarak As far as I know, that's still the case. There was a question on meta about supporting it on Stack Overflow as well. I believe the official reply was that it would be too expensive.
 
@Ell No, that's Allah
 
@MaiLongdong you should nominate a deputy troll in case you don't come back
 
@MarcoA. Ah, nice.
 
Ell
Time to go play an escape game
 
lol @Nooble
 
3:58 PM
Git experts, is there a way to add a description/changelog when commiting? I feel git commit -m "css was made better" doesn't tell all the stuff that was changed/broken/improved.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have a TIL, thanks
 
@Ell it's called work,
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Allah is a big A? Whole lotta nonsense there.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ are you Jewish ?
 
Ell
later guys!
 
3:58 PM
Jew wish he was Jewish
 
@AndyProwl Couldn't resist.
 
@DemCodeLines you can view the diff any way
 
guys did I mention how cmake is shit?
 
I'll look more into that math since I'm a bit fascinated
 
and you can add more than a single line commit message if you want to
 
3:58 PM
in command line?
 
@Mr.kbok its syntax is the quintessence of beauty
 
@MarcoA. You did computer science in italy?
 
@ScottW Those were the days.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ yes, and it sucks in my place
 
@MarcoA. Where?
 
3:59 PM
Yay ALL THE LOUNGERS <3 :)
 
I remember cicada was a girl and rightfold was a guy at that time
 
@DemCodeLines Omit -m "message" and you'll get a text editor to write everything to your heart's content.
 
I studied in the desolate land of Mordor
 
@DemCodeLines yes, git commit will use an editor
 
I am trying to remember which regular is missing.
 

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