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17:00
it's a common option. And indeed googling made me realize it's a logon shell
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:(
also yay someone upvtoed my a & b answer
@райтфолд Don't worry, we'll get there.
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:)
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17:00
Be sure to make it covariant! Oh wait, Java!
nice that @райтфолд recognises @fredoverflow's "Jesus" status, though
for some reason it appears to flash a console window though
@LightningRacisinObrit In my last lecture, I could use Scala and define an implicit conversion from Water to Wine...
@BartekBanachewicz I just found out by Googling, within 45 seconds.
I just ran man bash
17:03
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't run hobbyist operating systems like GNU/Lonax
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Nov 8 '13 at 19:09, by rightfold
jesus_cast<wine>(water)
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@райтфолд heh
@fredoverflow also heh
bash war
on friday
everybody is going
@R.MartinhoFernandes if I had bash working when doing that maybe I could do that but I couldn't because I was configuring bash okay
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17:03
Install Z shell.
I'd like a package manager first
fucking go to fucking google for fucking fuck's sake
@bsapaka Yes--today we're too busy bashing other things to waste time on bashing war.
then it can be A-to-Z-shell for all I care
Fuck. My whole world has come crashing down. There's no point in going on. I want to end it all.

THREE bug reports in one day:((
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17:04
> 'install' Z 'shell'
install shell
@JerryCoffin There's no way they don't know what a link is.
@MartinJames For a moment I thought you were going to tell me Doom Bar went bust :/
inb4 they're called Sharp
guys I've decided that my life is too boring so I am going to start using swear words. cheers.
@LightningRacisinObrit That would not be so bad - I know we have two nines in the cellar.
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@MartinJames Batch command "change type to PEBKAC."
17:06
@chris Sometimes I wonder...
@MartinJames lol 3
I have a neverending feature and I predict something like 100 things that will go wrong
@MartinJames hah somehow not surprised you keep your own
@райтфолд There's a sniper in my lectures who is cleared to shoot unless I sprinkle self-evident Javadoc comments over my code every once in a while.
17:07
still, that's only, what, 144 pints? barely enough to get through the weekend
here we go
brace brace brace
this is not the msys I remember
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@fredoverflow Oh I don't mind the comment, except for one thing:
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it doesn't document what happens on the empty stack.
17:07
the previous one had pacman
@райтфолд UB, bud
aka don't do it
and I could install things by typing pacman install
@райтфолд Error handling is left for a future lecture.
2
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Currently it's UB.
@CatPlusPlus One is a faulty customer, the other two are horrible. One is something about printer properties, the other will require an embedded fix. Fucking wonderful.
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17:08
Which seems quite unreasonable.
@fredoverflow lol
@райтфолд UB is entirely reasonable.
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Add @precondition !isEmpty() to the Javadoc, and then duplicate it in the body of every implementation of the interface!
@MartinJames tonight?
My 64-bit woes turned out to be very localised; just two typos, essentially. Well, plus a fucked up C API but that was easy to fix too. Yay portable code
However, the same guy then tried to get a 64-bit build of an earlier project and it totally crashes and burns on launch
@LightningRacisinObrit Fuck that, it's lotto night and Abbot is still on.
it's quite remarkable, actually
@MartinJames shhhhh don't mention fun social pub activities around @wilx....
Czech your privilege
17:11
@LightningRacisinObrit lol. I need to make progress by Friday. I may go bartekking over the w/e.
shit it was msys2 not msys
@MartinJames heh
@MartinJames rip
@LightningRacisinObrit I'm all for socialising, but the M4 corridor makes be break out in hives if I have to pass the Oracle site.
isocpp.org/blog/2015/04/the-c-languages-merge finally they gave up their resistance
@black according to my count, you're the third linking that article (I was the second)
17:22
I lmao'd at "Dennis Ritchie declined to comment"
@MarcoA. italian style
@MarcoA. And no one starred any of those instances, which goes to show how funny it is considered by the audience.
installed chromeshit again
gonna regret that but IE still sucks :/
k msys 2 is really decent
that's the thing I remember
@fredoverflow Bet you'll get them before I do.
Maybe I should tell Abby what I had for lunch again.
17:28
@R.MartinhoFernandes Probably not. I certainly don't need to hear about food right now (was just considering a far-too-fattening mid-morning snack anyway).
@JerryCoffin You're not Abby.
windows with msys is really cool
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, but if you post it, I'll see it, even if it's not directed to me.
@fredoverflow woah you get them when reaching 100k
I thought it only happens on the set date
now I want to reach 100k
@BartekBanachewicz I think it's now an ongoing program.
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17:32
> take this time
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Expensive CPU time to send an automated message? Seems legit!
original
Xeo
Xeo
> For EU customers, we are charging $20 for shipping
erm, yeah, no thanks.
@JerryCoffin Midmorning? It's teatime.
17:41
@Xeo Ah, right, that's why Ben is backing it with a bunch of extra copies so we can split the shipping costs :S
@Puppy Much to the disappointment of my parents, I don't do tea. Had some unhealthy delicious Doritos instead.
you... don't do tea?
do you do like, green tea instead?
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Not too good.
17:44
@Puppy I (almost) never drink any tea of any sort. No, I don't drink coffee either (that's not even "almost never").
@Xeo Repost #4 and counting.
Xeo
Xeo
Whoo, that means I'm winning, right?
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Dynamic variables are tricky to implement.
s/tricky to implement/dumb/
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No, they're not dumb.
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They're incredibly useful.
17:47
well
what exactly did you mean by dynamic variable anyway
@JerryCoffin Average stars: 0.
@райтфолд Can be about as tricky or simple as you choose. Basically just comes down to what sort of type checking (and such) you want to do, but instead of doing it at compile time, you do it at run-time.
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@Puppy Lexically scoped variables with thread-local values.
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17:49
But they can be created dynamically (i.e. dynamic variable in stack frame belongs to that stack frame, not like C++ static locals).
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The tricky part has to do with closures only.
thread_locals are bad enough at static scope
why would you want them at local scope
it's quite implied that any given local is thread-local, since it's local.
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I want a thing similar to Scala's DynamicVariable and Clojure's ^:dynamic, basically.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm almost tempted to star one, just to stop the reposts.
Xeo
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@Puppy thread_locals are great
17:51
@Xeo I've never really witnessed any compelling use case for them.
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But you will be very happy when you do!
not really feeling that has a high probability
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# Basically, they allow you do to this:
let %my-dynamic-var = "1"
proc f() { %my-dynamic-var = "2"; g() }
proc g() { outln(%my-dynamic-var) }
g(); f(); g(); # this prints 1, then 2, then 1
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Their values are reset at } and they're thread-local.
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17:53
Problem comes from closing over them when they're not in the global scope.
Xeo
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@райтфолд that just sounds like a guarded change
> No exceptions.
> No References (use pointers).
Ew
@Mgetz We know he can't C++
@AndyProwl yeah... the No References bit seems VERY stupid to me
The no exceptions bit also doesn't shine
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17:55
to close over them, you need to decide whether they will still be owned by the current scope, or by the new (closure) scope
> Const everywhere.
I would always use references for required fields I want passed by pointer
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I will use it for an alternative to crap like global output stream (lol std::cout) and passing things around everywhere (bleh).
@AndyProwl in gamedev it's more reasonable
@Xeo you often want to just crash
Xeo
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@BartekBanachewicz why
@BartekBanachewicz You can do that with exceptions.
17:55
@BartekBanachewicz also reasonable for spacecraft
Xeo
Xeo
just don't handle them
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@Xeo But that makes the crash slower!
@BartekBanachewicz Because of the performance overhead?
@AndyProwl There is none.
exceptions perform better than return codes, in general
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What does he think about namespaces?
17:56
Well, there is some overhead when you throw
But if you throw often, then it's probably not an error
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I throw very often.
there's a large difference between project-scale banning of exceptions, and removing them in a tight loop.
one of them is kneejerk stupidity and the other is targetted informed decision making
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17:57
I catch std::out_of_range instead of crap like if (m.count(k)).
well
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Fuck duplicate code.
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The check's already implemented; not gonna perform it again!
I'm off to see the wizard the races some boardgaming
17:58
Actually my snake game currently terminates and aborts by throwing an exception if you bite your tail
I should fix that
@Puppy Whatcha playin'?
When Spotify updates, it adds a shortcut icon to the Desktop. FML
I should find actual work today. But not really feeling it
@fredoverflow that was fast
Xeo
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Worked great, thanks!
17:59
:/
Tempted to cancel stars just because.
Average funny is also 0
@R.MartinhoFernandes what stars
Xeo
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes You're just jelly
> Related: Can We Quit With the Stereotypes Already?
lol
> Microsoft's Surface 3 costs more but can be used with a touchscreen pen and run Windows software
assumes Windows is better
cos everyone knows Windows
so it must be better, right?
like how BBC Radio DJs are told off every time they mention a brand name... unless it's "iPad". Cos that just means "tablet", right?
18:03
Well when your other contenders are iOS and Android
> Like millions of other Trekkies I was bummed by the news of Leonard Nimoy’s death Friday.
jesus, death Friday sounds like a terrible Friday
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> Carrot on a Stick has been removed. It was just cruel to pigs and we are very sorry for this.
otoh death Monday is just Monday
18:05
template <typename T> hi rex
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@CatPlusPlus Every Monday is death. Except next Monday. Cause holiday
18:19
user image
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> Advanced security to avoid SQL Injections.
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lol advanced
@Pris wot
the stb guy has a new library and its a voxel thing
18:29
I forget it's April Fool's
I'm not falling for anything today
Its real though, I linked the repo
@fredoverflow heh
@Rapptz Everyone online today: imgur.com/lKsvJV1
Hello Marcus
18:32
@Pris In that case the video is terrible
It's like a montage parody except it isn't
@Rapptz I think the video is silly because of april fools but the repo itself is legit
@MarcusStuhr What's up
Taking a late lunch, coding some stuff, nothing much -- you?
Reading stuff.
God damn even the news sounds like a joke today.
@fredoverflow also known as 'beginner' and 'done it for about a year at least'
18:40
@BartekBanachewicz maybe redo a merge
@Xeo hat off to who ever could actually define a language that actually does combine all four into one unified language :P
@Pris quel surPris
(did you mean quelle surprise?)
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what to do
@райтфолд party
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no
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18:43
I want to make software.
Hello.
political party
Oh. No no no no.
That's no joke
This is Cinch's sister.
Slow poke
I'm sorry to say that we need to do an investigation today.
18:44
@райтфолд how about you start another project :v
@Cinch He never tolds us he had a sister. Are you sure you weren't adopted?
My brother has just died and I need to take account of any loose ends.
No, he hated me.
Leave it to the deities. Or paranormal activity
If this is supposed to be an April fools joke, it was terrible.
I'm not a programmer but I was told he went on a lot here.
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18:45
@melak47 meh
1 min ago, by sehe
Oh. No no no no.
That's no joke
@Cinch did you kill him?
It was terrible before it began. And I called it in time!
Okay maybe this isn't the right train to Catch.
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omg sehe forked my repo
18:46
I might have to get my head Checked
No april fools for you! Come back 1 year.
Okay sorry that was 5 sec improv for a n 4/1 joke
But hello
@Cinch I'm glad you're alive.
Join ISO WG41
@fredoverflow Oh that's so nice fred!
18:48
@райтфолд yes and I lost interest in getting it to compile.
What is8ISO WG41
> I still use MSVC 6 (1998) as my IDE because it has better human factors for me than later versions of MSVC.
Mar 20 at 9:22, by sehe
@Cinch google, padawan
@CatPlusPlus link plz
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@sehe :D
18:48
That stb thing
My bartery is at 9%
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There are too many dependencies!
Barter harder
@Cinch cranial bartery?
Maniacal Barteckery
@райтфолд and llvm is too specific. It doesn't workses
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Which version of LLVM do you have?
18:50
OpenText? I just googled and it left me with a lame page
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I have LLVM 3.5.1.
I had 3.5, replaced with 3.4 because of missing suffixes; no worky, replaced with 3.5 but patching the ninja script; no worky
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Meh.
Anyways I was busy tutoring a person in. C++ last night
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18:51
I can make an option to disable JIT compilation.
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That makes LLVM an optional dependency.
@райтфолд I'll pull
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ok holdon
> g++ is just a wrapper around clang++ on OS X 10.9+
18:52
no vogon
What the hell
why not
It's supposed to be a drop in replacement. And they do a hell of a fine job at it
You do ask g++ -v anyways, right
Oh my lol dat C/C++ merger
Missing a few
Um what is the best way to teach encapsulation
18:55
Don't teach encapsulation until your program examples reach 1000 loc.
@Cinch with a textbook
I'm trying to teach how to doas container for a linked list but it's really hard to go from a unwrapped list to a container cla ss
It's too late were already on iterators
Our prof has made us basically do the STD containers
18:57
Using objects from the standard library is fine. Just don't teach him to write his own classes. He won't see the point.
> auto graph = make(); // Tempted to make that sign()
It's the entire class
So I'm going to need to teach OOP concepts quickly

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