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It is also the case that several implementors have members on the committee and/or weight on committee decisions.
@Mr.kbok You could get an error message that while being complete nonsense has just the right words to make you think it might actually mean something, and then when you look it up on MSDN, the error code doesn't exist.
@Griwes Consider export.
@R.MartinhoFernandes So you think the cost of implementing export and the cost of implementing template members of local classes is comparable at any level?
Because honestly... I don't.
@Griwes Where did you get that?
Consider export, more carefully.
The point is, sure, the committee should work while trying to implement their ideas. But at the same time they should push people saying "this is hard" to fix their damn code.
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woo
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10:03
instant noodles
@LucDanton I'm telling you, it's a completely different size of a problem.
Well alright then.
@fredoverflow is just 20 repz off 100k. Let's upvote his shit so he can begin the two-year wait for swag... /cc @R.MartinhoFernandes
lol
@Griwes I'll take your word for it.
@LightningReadstheObituaries Does it really take 2 years? :-(
10:04
@MarkGarcia oh I remember seeing this actually //cc @sehe
supports C# Java and C
@R.MartinhoFernandes They implemented generic lambdas, didn't they?
C++ and JS coming soon
ehehe "soon"
@R.MartinhoFernandes Fair enough :)
> Location independent method* merge
their website is really cool
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It's April, fools.
10:06
@fredoverflow Sometimes.
well I suppose I can't really compete with a product like that
My bad, what doesn’t mangle is more like f.lol("foo"_lit).
maybe I'll stick to Haskell diffs
what exactly is Griwes talking about
Congratumalations on 100k, @fredoverflow!!
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and, because there are 53 minutes of validity left...
Congratumalations on 100k, @VladFromMoscow!!
10:07
user image
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says 100,020 here
fake
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Perl 6 has a lol method.
user1804599
> (1, 2, (3, 4)).lol.perl
(1; 2; 3, 4)
@Griwes Speaking of, fixed to do what exactly?
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It stands for "list of lists".
10:08
@LucDanton In your example's, to actually do what it's supposed to do according to the standard.
['L', ['o', ['l', []]]]
@LightningReadstheObituaries wut
10:09
@Griwes Do you also expect a GCC compiled program to link with a Clang compiled program on a run-off-the-mill Linux?
gigidy
@LightningReadstheObituaries What?
o_0 fuck sake, forgot yet again to book flights last night
Will I ever get to unconference?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Vlad got 100k.
Do you expect a library compiled today to link with a library compiled tomorrow? (If so and/or if not, under what circumstances etc.)
@fredoverflow Only 29?
@LucDanton Yes. :P Seriously though, as long as you use the same libabi and stuff, they should just link :P
@LightningReadstheObituaries Doesn't say so here stackoverflow.com/users/2877241/vlad-from-moscow.
@R.MartinhoFernandes inb4 April Fools!!
10:11
@Rapptz I don't even know what a "helpful flag" is supposed to be. Aren't all flags annoying?
@Griwes So given that the Standard doesn’t mandate how linking/mangling is covered, and that you still want nice interoperation, what is GCC to do? What do the mangling standards say on the matter?
They're the size of your meta e-penis.
What if they say nothing at all?
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh brother
mm seems I picked a nice time for a holiday
just before the release
10:11
chat isn't very good at profile updates, is it?
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I can see it happen that Vlad becomes a mod.
Lightning Racist in Orbit?
Not only is your view of 'the Standard pushes down on the implementors' not the reality, but it’s not even what you want—since you appear to want mangling to just work. Which requires feedback between the people standardizing things. Combine that with the export track record…
10:13
Somehow I imagined reaching 100k a lot more emotionally satisfying. Now I know how women feel after sex.
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10 mins ago, by Luc Danton
Consider export, more carefully.
I wish you had.
@BartekBanachewicz ?
Okay, back on the track. Template members of local classes are the exact same thing as generic lambdas.
So no, this is nowhere near export.
@thecoshman click it?
Well I said 'don’t ask' and by that I really meant 'don’t ask me' and 'I’m outta here'. And I also said 'more carefully'.
10:14
@BartekBanachewicz ... it's tedious
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@Griwes Except they're impossible.
@райтфолд Except generic lambdas call operators are mostly basically that :/
@Mr.kbok Lightning Racist Énormbite
@MomotapaLimpopo perfect
It must be late.
10:17
@Griwes Maybe the mismatch between 'no local templates' and 'we still have generic lambdas' is that the latter only involve function templates. Correct me if I’m wrong, but there is no implementation where function specializations 'leak' the fact they stem from a template—ergo no possible mangling issue.
I still don't get what you mean by declaring a template locally.
@Rapptz local template = T;
@Rapptz I really want template<…> using foo = …; at function scope.
Oh that.
Why is that being compared to generic lambdas?
10:18
@Mr.kbok @MomotapaLimpopo your avatars are too similar
Your eyes are shit
hth
struct foo { template<typename T> void lol(T) {} }; vs [](auto) {}
@MomotapaLimpopo I know this sounds ridiculous but that's how it is when they're small; skin colour doesn't matter
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Are they not both legal?
@BartekBanachewicz Fucking starbait (taken)
10:18
@Rapptz Nope.
No template at function scope. Not variable, not alias, not function, not class template.
@MomotapaLimpopo you have to admit this was a nice one
The real use case here is that I'd want to declare traits on the fly, within a testing function.
compiles for me
@BartekBanachewicz Carefully crafted
10:19
@Griwes Why are my aliases not real >:(
That way, with void_t, I'd have a trivial way of doing a CHECK_COMPILATION_ERROR macro.
Now you have realised that all that time spent on SO was a complete waste. Although the T-shirt is pretty decent and the mug is nice and spacious.
Instead of having to do lots of boilerplate.
(Still haven't figured out what to do with the stickers)
10:20
> A local class of non-closure type shall not have member templates.
@LightningReadstheObituaries Well, at least I'll get some swag. Now I know how women feel after marriage.
Still pretty fucking confused.
@LightningReadstheObituaries I want one :/
Is this an April Fool's joke?
@fredoverflow In all likelihood, your grandchildren will be married before you actually receive it
10:20
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah. I agree. They are both dark.
@LightningReadstheObituaries I hope they won't marry each other.
@Rapptz What does?
@fredoverflow :D
come on SO propagate my nick change ffs it was two hours ago
my new one is much better
@LucDanton ???
propagators gonna propagate
@LightningReadstheObituaries Obituaries?
@Rapptz That's not in a function scope, bub.
@LucDanton more than likely
@Rapptz x is not a template
you're not a template either
rude
10:23
You’re not wrong.
your mum's a template. a template for LOVE
but yeah I get it now
I kinda missed or ignored the "at function scope" thing
now everything makes sense again
it's april 1st I didn't even have the time to troll, too sad ...
@LightningReadstheObituaries No, the T-shirt is not nice because it's not here.
Abby got back to me saying she'll investigate.
I knew telling her about my lunch would pay off.
don't you find it funny that Jon Skeet has more rep on SO in C# tag than people who created C#?
10:25
who is Abby
Mar 16 at 16:42, by R. Martinho Fernandes
> From: Martinho Fernandes <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]

Hello Abby.

I'm writing to let you know I had pizza for lunch today.
@Rapptz Robot's secret crush
what kind of pizza
damn I'm hungry now
Margabbyta
Asking the important Lounge<Pizza> questions
10:26
how'd this happen
@Rapptz Margherita.
you are a good person
@Rapptz I keep asking myself that and I have yet to find an answer
Quick, someone register lounge.pizza
She had a burrito that day.
Mar 16 at 23:24, by R. Martinho Fernandes
> From: "Abby T. Miller" <[email protected]>
To: "Martinho Fernandes" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: What I had for lunch

Thank you for the update! I had a burrito.

Best,

Abby
10:27
I didn't think people eat monads.
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// Deliberate pollution
using annex::literals::meta::operator ""_annex_meta_string_lit;
both are good meals right about now
^I could use a fix for that :(
Use _str
10:28
@Rapptz lol no, the pollution part
oh that's a using statement
tricky
@Griwes hehe it's responsive
morning everybody
I've been having myself a good slackin' this morning to enjoy my holidays.
I can’t expand "blah"_lit to string<char, 'l', 'i', 't'> because that’s the whole point of having the UDL op.
:O I think I finally get SFINAE...
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10:32
@BartekBanachewicz why the borked english though
@Puppy Are you just spending your holidays slacking off at home?
yep
inb4 wait... I don't get SFINAE :(
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how else would they be expended?
You could be slacking off at work!
10:32
I prefer not to slack at work
@Puppy Your boss knows where to find the Lounge transcript, got it.
@Puppy slack overflow
@LucDanton Pretty sure he doesn't.
Is he the kind of boss that prints out spam mails and then throws the printouts in the trash bin?
no.
10:36
@R.MartinhoFernandes ahaha
oh hang on. fuck. ate my last pizza yesterday didn't i
ate your last pizza, but you did not eat THE last pizza
there is still hope!
I ate pizza 2 days ago
Too much pizza actually. Felt bloated afterwards.
@Xeo Actually, I miscalculated, it seems. After scheduling vacation for Cyclemania, Unconference, Essen, and visiting my family, I still have six days left.
@chmod711telkitty ;p
lrio changed names wat
10:42
I had too much seafood earlier this year & it were not really a lot, like a few kilos of prawns, salmons etc in a few weeks & I haven't been having any craving for 2 months!
I spend too many of my holidays going home to see my parents.
@Puppy Not enough left for slacking off?
nope
I need some other weird place to visit with those six days.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sorry to hear that :( Can you think of any potentially related change in routine life? Less sleep, more stress, different diet, etc.?
10:44
personally
Mine's always the same, hardly noticeable unless there's silence
@AndyProwl More stress and less sleep are hard to pinpoint as the cause since the tinnitus is a significant contributing factor in both.
I find slacking off at home to be an important recharge time that helps me focus and put me back on the right path
@R.MartinhoFernandes What about staying home and resting instead?
@R.MartinhoFernandes True
10:45
and answer questions like "Why do I bother going to work?"
sort out my finances
shit like that
clean my bathroom
Masturbate.
Then clean the bathroom again.
(Right?)
@AndyProwl I mean, it is possible, but really hard to be sure.
the thing is it's actually kinda hard to observe when my bathroom is actually dirty.
For me the answer to "Why do I bother going to work?" is easy. Harder is "Why don't I bother finding a potentially better work?"
I asked for a soft towel for Christmas, which my parents dutifully gave me, but it moults everywhere like a dog leaving hairs.
10:46
@Griwes might also be that the only (dumb) thing I was missing is that while newtype can't be existential, data can
so every surface is now covered in bits of towel fluff
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah I understand. Will you try to see another doctor?
@Puppy That counts as dirty, no?
and one bath is enough to re-coat the whole room in fluff.
10:47
@Puppy Too soft...
@AndyProwl I'll give some aural therapy a shot for a couple of months.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Probably, but it moults at a rate which is far greater than is really reasonable to clean up, unless you want to clean the whole room every time you use it.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Aural...?
@wilx Yes? As in, sound-based.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hopefully it will help
10:48
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh.
@BartekBanachewicz Hmm.
@Griwes i remember stumbling on that error multiple times but it never occured to me that I can just use data
Good morning
pretty epic fail if you ask me
10:53
@Puppy I'd just not use the towel.
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's way too soft and fluffy for that.
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@wilx Staying home depresses me. If I'm going to be alone, I'll be far away.
I'm sorry, but soft&fluffy is a critical property for a bath towel.
much like your mum
I loved to be home alone ... especially when I had my own house
10:56
I wanna go home and try out my new mouse but I have to work :(
@Puppy I have one that doesn't fuck up the bathroom to the point that cleaning it is too much work.
I also have to go all the way to the mall to buy a new shower thing after I leave
(My flatmates would kill me if it did so)
har har I have no flatmates
you should have seen my shower a couple of days ago, it was patched with scotch tape
haha, kinda like my software
now that I think of it
10:57
I like that doing "build" twice in a row hides warnings
I love to be alone, but there tend to always be a bunch of humans around me at anytime when I am awake
which are the good example where we can implement the abstract factory pattern ?
hmm
I just realized that having these tests passing is a bad sign.
10:58
@abhi dunno, I never implemented a factory in my whole life
never seen a need for it
@Puppy har har I have a clean bathroom.
@abhi Never.
@abhi An industrial estate?
@R.MartinhoFernandes gl
10:59
@R.MartinhoFernandes Mine is pretty clean. There's just also a bunch of towel fluff :P
@AlexM. How does that even hold up, considering that scotch tape isn't waterproof?
@Nooble You shower yourself, not the shower itself.
@Nooble it works for 1 shower, max 2
yes i hv implemented for leaning purpose for book .. but i don't know any where else we can implement or not ?
I renewed the tape twice
10:59
I love to be alone so much, people in my bushwalking ground start to think that I am weird because I like to drive, cook, doing a lot of things alone

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