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12:01 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit or well, coaxial outlets* (more specifically)
 
@chmod711telkitty Carrots neither runaway, good point.
 
12:18 AM
> From: jimadamsuk5@cock.li
How did this pass the spam filters?
 
@FilipRoséen-refp Are you suggesting that ISPs build their outdoors infrastructure ... on Cat5?!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no, their indoor infrastructure (what I was trying to clarify by the 2nd message).. but maybe you are trollin'
 
> Ethernet twisted-pair LANs networked via fibre MANs connecting buildings.
hah, you kinda do after all
@FilipRoséen-refp no i'm not
I don't know what "indoor infrastructure" would even mean in the general context in which you used it; thinking back to that first/second - whatever lease you were talking about the other day, perhaps your housing system works oddly
In most places I know, there is no "default" or "built-in" bunch of ethernet ports in residential space. At best you get a co-ax or phone socket - the rest is up to you and your router!
so that's what i was saying
this is an interesting read about your guys' setup though - you appear to have a mix of all of it
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit unless you live in an older building there are no coaxial outlets indoors anymore, at least here in the capital (stockholm). And when I say "indoors" I'm referring to where people live, there certainly are coaxial lines being used, that's not what I'm saying
 
> Sweden is a large country (slightly larger than California) with a relatively small population (9 million compared to California’s 35 million). It has one of the lowest population densities in Europe (only 20 people per square kilometer) and the majority of its population is clustered in the south of the country and in coastal areas (in the cities of Stockholm, Göteborg, and Malmö).
> About half of Sweden’s 4 million households are located in apartment buildings. Its percentage of urban population (83 percent) is comparable to the United States and even to South Korea.
Even to South Korea! Wow!
night folks
 
12:25 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit did you read about Sigbritt around 2007?
 
@FilipRoséen-refp sounds like your apartments are from Ikea :P
@FilipRoséen-refp yeah like a million gigabit or something
your speeds have always been ridiculous. the swedes were hoarding all the 100Mbit warez servers back when Ferry Boffin was in nappies
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit that could be used to sum up the swedish infrastructure when it comes to Internet connections
 
:P
evidently
> "The most difficult part of the whole project was installing Windows on Sigbritt's PC," said Jonsson.
hah
 
std::cout << "This is the total amount that you owe, due to the programmer's lack of ability,";
std::cout << "you will have to subtract the number shown before from your total income.";
std::cout << "Thank you for using AHS tax services!!";
^ that.
"Thank you for using AHS tax services!!", I wish more software included such thank you messages
admitting their mistakes
 
12:29 AM
This guy sounds new
 
"We have noticed that your makefile is spanning more than 400 lines, due to a fucked up build system we apologize. Thank you for using gnu make!"
that'd be kinda neat
 
> This is my beautiful code that sometimes works horrible, and sometimes doesn't work at all:
wat
The amount of SSCCE is nonexistent
 
It’s like they are describing their baby.
 
ok really going now
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Don't go!
Stay with us, I'll get a cup of tea.
 
12:36 AM
soz kid
bed calls
 
Stupid bed.
 
y r u tking to urself.
 
I'm not. Plonk fewer people.
Or he's not. Either way.
 
A first-case study of how non-SSCCE's can damage the human psyche
 
12:42 AM
@DonLarynx Teamkilling is bad, m'kay.
Unless I'm doing it, in which case it's hilarious.
 
whoa, I've always thought std::size_t was included in <cstdint>
you learn something new every day
 
<cstdint> is not for all things integral, it’s for fixed-width integral types and similar.
 
@LucDanton surely, I guess I've always assumed (and never ran into a case where any of std::size_t's headers wasn't included indirectly.. until now)
 
to help remember :)
 
> std::vector<int> *x = new vector<int>(100);
 
12:46 AM
well, that doesn’t help you remember it’s in <cstddef> though
 
is that a thing or did OP mean [100]?
 
@LucDanton it does now, mistakes are a great way of remembering things
 
i'm not getting any warnings or errors either way
 
@Blob Yes, that is a thing. Using square brackets would be a mistake.
 
=o
explain?
 
12:46 AM
@Blob that's a thing, it will initialize the std::vector, having dynamic lifetime, with 100 elements
 
@FilipRoséen-refp yeah, but in the context of new..?
 
@Blob Does it help if you forget about new (which has almost surely no reason to be here)?
 
@Blob only the author knows
 
k :|
deleted the comment. not sure if i should re-post
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Q: Creating a dynamically-allocated array of std::vectors

KarnivaurusTo create a dynamically-allocated array, I use: int *x = new int[100]; This creates an array of 100 int elements. However, if I use: std::vector<int> *x = new vector<int>(100); This also creates an array of 100 int elements. But why does it not create an array of 100 vector<int> elements? ...

 
Does std::vector<int> x(100); look okay to you?
 
12:48 AM
yes.
 
@Rapptz /r/weaklings
 
You can also have auto x = std::vector<int>(100); (not personally my cup of tea though).
Seeing it now?
 
i still feel like OP meant to use [] :|
> But why does it not create an array of 100 vector<int> elements?
 
@LucDanton Why not your cup of tea though?
 
@ParkYoung-Bae Cast notation is a landmine.
 
12:51 AM
As in?
 
@ParkYoung-Bae It’s really problematic in generic contexts, not necessarily with concrete types. E.g. return T(std::forward<X>(x)); does not really have a general meaning beyond the syntax, and it allows stuff that the author probably never wanted.
I extend it to non-generic stuff to get rid of the cognitive load of figuring out what a cast does altogether.
 
But then again using {} has similar issues
 
That’s right. Well, it’s right that it has issues, too.
 
The only issue I have with {} is that initializer_list is greedy.
 
template<typename T, typename X> T wat(X&& x) { return T(std::forward<X>(x)); }
 
12:54 AM
@LucDanton Hence what do? rip?
 
@ParkYoung-Bae I feel that instantiating wat<int&, float&> is a worse class of errors than anything {} can do.
@ParkYoung-Bae Have more than one arguments and use (). (I use empty {} when I need to though.)
 
Outside of initializer_list greed I don't know what other issues {} has.
 
Fairly sure that’s just the one, yes.
 
They should have made it non-greedy and you had to use {{args}} for initializer_list
I don't know what that breaks though
Does that break = { ... }?
 
@LucDanton Right.
 
1:01 AM
@Rapptz My go-to example of things going wrong is std::vector<Int> { 100, x } or variations thereof. And you would in fact break some initializations of numeric-ish containers with two elements.
 
But {} is ugly
:D
> Why didn't the D language become mainstream as Golang has ?
oh please
 
@LucDanton It wouldn't be a problem if they didn't fuck it up from the get-go.
 
Fun fact: T(pack...) is never a cast.
why do I bother ._.
 
with what
 
all those rules and exceptions and rules of thumb and conventions
Oh, GCC doesn’t complain about mangling for decltype( "lol"_symbol ) foo(). That’s amazing!
Bikeshed time: meta::string UDL operator name?
 
@LucDanton _cs
 
err, really?
 
I don’t actually like symbol/sym because they’re really strings.
@Rapptz Kinda points towards 'C string', but I still like it.
It’s obviously the suffix for embedding C# source into your program!
 
I was thinking more like constexpr string but sure
 
> [...] is free, as in beer
urgh
 
1:08 AM
you hate that too?
 
@Rapptz Now that I think about it, kinda misleading in that constexpr string_view operator""_sv; is a thing, no?
 
lol
 
@Rapptz Yes, and that one is particularly terrible
 
@Rapptz I’m really accustomed to having the separate meaning.
 
free as in freedom of speech™
 
1:09 AM
I find 'gratis' so-so in English though, not sure why.
Reminds me of German advertising I guess.
 
hi guys
 
"Free as in beer"
It sounds like complete nonsense written like that
 
@ParkYoung-Bae Hey, aren't you suppose to be working at this hour if you are Korean?
 
And 'free as in free beer' looks dumb
 
free ass in beer
 
1:10 AM
@EnglishMaster I am
 
Are you unemployeD?
 
who is EnglishMaster
 
I was told there is no free lunch, but there is a free beer, so I have that going for me.
 
Wow someone I actually plonked
 
@Rapptz A notorious troll
 
1:11 AM
@Rapptz LRiO
 
Well, I have many names, EnglishMaster is just one of them.
 
@Nooble I wish
 
@Rapptz was he your first? :O
 
Notorious?
 
Some call me "GreatCoder_Destroyer"
 
1:11 AM
What did he do?
 
But LRiO is a significantly better troll
 
@Nooble If @Rapptz plonked him, he deserved it.
 
he's not too good
 
i dont know what it was, but he deserved it
 
@ParkYoung-Bae At least he's got that.
 
1:12 AM
I don't even know who he is!
EnglishMaster doesn't sound familiar at all.
It must have been under a different name.
 
No no, he's been here for over a year IIRC
 
@Borgleader I'll take it that @Rapptz doesn't plonk too many people?
I don't think I've ever plonked anyone.
@EnglishMaster TELL US WHAT YOU DID.
 
Oh it's O0oO0oOO0ooO
 
Having a separate template<typename CharT, CharT... Cs> struct string; rather than repurposing std::integer_sequence makes sense, right?
 
1:13 AM
I remember you now.
 
@Rapptz lol
 
@Nooble Why did u just enrage at me?
 
@EnglishMaster I don't know why I just enrage at you.
 
@Rapptz GreatCoder_Destroyer, perhaps?
 
I like your Koala photo of yours, I want to cuddle you
Just don't scratch my face
 
1:15 AM
Is your face a tree?
If not, I probably won't scratch it :)
 
@Nooble False.
 
Last time when I was rock climbing, I encountered Koala resting on a tree. He figured out I have food in my bag and started to attacking me, then I used my fighting tactics I've learned in Marine Corps to kill it
 
koalas scratch anything
never approach a koala
 
RIP Koala
 
Nice, VS2013 Update 5 CTP breaks existing, previously-compiling code
 
1:16 AM
@EnglishMaster Yeah I had a similar experience.
 
Way to go Microshaft
 
Once I was tree climbing, I encountered a human resting on a rock. He figured out I had eucalyptus in my hand and started attacking me, then I used my fighting tactics I learned from Morpheus to kill it.
 
Defending your eucalyptus is a nooble cause
5
 
Just keep in your mind I can deal with you guys in same way as it happened to the Koala
 
1:18 AM
@ParkYoung-Bae Heh.
 
if you disturb me
right?
 
@EnglishMaster fold.
 
I listen to this when Im working
 
because I like demon in my soul when I'm doing something serious
Anyone here tried Elasticsearch Logstash Kibana stack before?
 
1:21 AM
@EnglishMaster Demons are bad.
 
Because they aren't koalas.
 
@Rapptz "what about this"_lit?
probably the dumbest idea yet
 
But they will trade something useful with your soul
 
1:23 AM
@Nooble Why "SERIOUS GAMERS ONLY!!!!!!"? Will it suddenly fall apart if the gamer laughs?
 
 
@JerryCoffin Yes. There are laugh detectors.
You laugh you lose.
That is the game.
Speaking of the game.
 
u raff u ruse
 
I just lost it.
Everytime I make 4 posts in a row, I am reminded of my insanely low rep.
 
@ParkYoung-Bae "Flied Lice, you Plick!"
 
1:25 AM
Mmmh without UD literal types as template parameters, a revisited N3499 could mean we have both constexpr string_view and some sort of meta string, with just the string -> string_view conversion (barring macros). Should we expect redundant constexpr string concatenations then?
 
@JerryCoffin LACISM?
 
I guess nobody here have tried ELK stack before, because you've been concerned with little things like Bjarne Stroustrup and pointers that do not matter to this world.
 
@Nooble So go write answers to more questions (which we'll down-vote, so it'll be even lower).
 
@EnglishMaster If you're just here to troll, you should leave now.
 
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Q: Where on Earth is csc.exe?

user3002473After reading through a few tutorials and other questions I've had no luck in getting anything called csc.exe on my computer. I tried installing MonoDevelop, Mono, the .NET SDK, none of which installed csc.exe. Where is it? Do I need Visual C# 2008 Express or something?

 
1:26 AM
@JerryCoffin What if I write more questions to answers, will you then up-vote them?
 
I'm not here to troll
I'm here to discuss about things that matter
 
The OP asked where on Earth it is, not where on the computer. — Park Young-Bae 13 secs ago
 
@ParkYoung-Bae Plobabry.
@Nooble What is this "upvote" of which you speak?
 
Right in the two minute mark!
I'm not a ninja.
 
@Nooble First rule of Ninja: Never admit you're a ninja.
 
1:30 AM
I am not a ninja
 
I am a ninja hacker
 
Rapptz makes ninjas.
 
Look, im not here to troll
 
Have fun out there.
 
1:32 AM
@EnglishMaster i bet you reverse the names when you post that on the java room
 
From the gifbin, to the gif bin.
 
aw
 
My parnets never gave me permission either.
 
1:35 AM
@Borgleader Yeah? You think you're bad? Well I stepped on a nail and I only cried for 45 minutes.
Ooooh I found the first computer I went on the internet on, poor thing no longer works, I think the HDD is corrupt.
This thing must be 7-8 years old.
 
i remember mine
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "Parnets: 13 nets, 12 channels each, all golf, all the time."
 
it was small as fuck and unusable
4
 
Core 2 Duo and 768mb of DDR2, nice. It ran vista too.
 
i also remember the second
the screen broke
 
1:37 AM
How did it break?
 
there was this cloth thing covering small table so i could use mouse properly (no mousepad lol)
my mom was vacuuming and accidentally sucked in that cloth thing
the laptop fell
screen urgh'd
i tried removing hard drive and crap but i was a kid.. i didn't keep track of what nails went where and by the time i was done putting everything back in, there were nails coming out of the keyboard area
not keyboard itself; area surrounding it
 
Nails? That must be really old.
 
lol
 
@Nooble Way to make me feel even older than usual. The first machine I connected to the Internet died somewhere around 20 years ago (and was old when it did die).
 
> If you have ten programmers, the best one is probably at least five times better compared to the worst one. No shit.
Not this shit again
 
1:42 AM
@JerryCoffin When I was very young, I remember my family members arguing over who could get the router. I always wondered why they were fighting over this "internet".
There's a flying thing in my room.
A huge UF (Insect)
I hate flying insects so much.
I need to get out of this room.
No! What if there are more outside?
:(
 
@ParkYoung-Bae thatsme
 
@CatPlusPlus yep. 5x worst than the best one.
 
Star Ruler 2 is pretty fun
 
@Blob Don’t distort what he said. Cat is ten programmers.
 
At least width-wise
 
1:46 AM
pics?
 
@Nooble I guarantee there's more than one outside.
 
Rockstar Plus Plus
 
@JerryCoffin Can no longer ninja edit.
Seriously this thing is creeping me out.
Flying in circles.
 
If I were a rockstar
 
1:47 AM
Buzzing everywhere.
Getting near meeee.
 
dude, be a man and tell your dad to kill it
 
Just shut the light in your room, open the door to the corridor and open the light there. It'll fly out.
 
If it's a mosquito then just crush it with something heavy
 
@Nooble Swat it!
 
(Doesn't work during the day.)
 
1:47 AM
@ParkYoung-Bae But then we don't have ten programmers, we have 9 programmers and 1 nincompoop
 
If it's something else then crush it with something heavy and then set it on fire
 
oh wow my procrastination
i have a proj due tomorrow and haven't started
 
I have nothing here that is heavy.
Oooh my laptop.
 
@LucDanton Wrong. Nine, not ten. Cats have nine lives. He's just living all nine in parallel.
 
@MarkGarcia I need to buy a swatter.
 
1:48 AM
and it's presentation crap so staying late probs won't help my grade
bye
 
@JerryCoffin All these context switches!
 
@Blob Bye.
 
Constantly switching between 100% idle and overheating
 
@Blob Bye.
 
@Blob Later.
 
1:49 AM
I need to finish this messaging feature
 
@CatPlusPlus I'd be more interested in a massaging feature.
 
So I can move on to slightly-better-and-more-interesting-but-not-really-that-much things
 
@JerryCoffin What's the benefit in that?
 
There's no benefit, it just sucks 9 times as much
 
@CatPlusPlus Doesn't sound fun. Have you considered living them one by one?
 
1:53 AM
Nice, partial specializations let you match on list<integral_constant<not_a_pack, pack>...>. Makes for easy SFINAE-friendliness.
 
@Nooble He can't. Once you go cat, there's no going bat back.
 
Heh.
 
The OpenCL tag is a miserable pile of unanswered questions
 
Ugh fucking Atom
 
1:56 AM
Not only do they ship Ctrl+Alt default bindings, eeeeeeeeeveryone making packages does too
Hello I would like to introduce the concept of "leave AltGr the fuck alone" and "AltGr is Ctrl+Alt get over it"
 
Is there something Atom is better at than Sublime?
 
It doesn't cost a small fortune
 
@ParkYoung-Bae Is better at being free.
 
But Sublime is free as in WinRAR
7
 
@ParkYoung-Bae Which isn't free.
Get 7-zip instead
 
1:58 AM
I doubt I'll switch from Vim though
 

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