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12:02 PM
@chmod711telkitty Wouldn't you need way to many solar panels for that to be economically feasible
or a large battery, if only used occasionally
Too many to be physically practical too
@chmod711telkitty I don't think there would be much area. ;)
Large battery == heavier weight. Have you seen the solar cars that university teams build?
@ParkYoung-Bae What kind? "your staff goofs off on SO"
12:03 PM
but we are talking about scooters, cars weight several tons, scooters are only around 10kgs ... the light ones
So it seems the copilot locked the pilot out of the cockpit and intentionally brought the plane down
Fucker
@AndyProwl From what I've read SOP is that another crew (flight attendant) would go inside the cockpit if a pilot leaves.
And in the flight they haven't done it. (at least basing from the silence inside the cockpit)
@AndyProwl I read about the lock out yesterday, was it confirmed it was intentional? The copilot could have collapsed or something
@Pris They say they could hear the copilot breathing normally
@MarkGarcia Yeah, the surely haven't
12:06 PM
@AndyProwl What was his ethnicity? Did he have any mental issues or depression or something
@Pris They were both German
did he crash the thing
where's the story
Apparently
No mention of psychological profile
@Pris What is the relevance of his ethnicity?
They'll have to do some investigation I guess
12:07 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Uh... see... Reddit.
runs away
@AndyProwl Oi, drop the sensationalised speculation accusing someone of murdering over a hundred people! It will be weeks before it is confirmed what happened.
@BartekBanachewicz I'm reading on an Italian newspaper but I'm pretty sure it's everywhere
oh instagram is down
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Might cue to what he might say with his last breath. ;)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit terrorism?
12:08 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Have you missed the "it seems" part?
@Pris Terrorism has nothing to do with race.
Please tell me you're not one of these pricks who sees every dark-skinned man as a terrorist?
> There are no survivors, officials say.
...
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what if they don't look like proper terrorists
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah I should have said religion I guess
will we be able to tell them apart
@BartekBanachewicz good times
12:09 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I am dark-skinned and I find this offensive
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Except in the Boston bombing...
@Pris So now you want to know whether the co-pilot was a Muslim so you can immediately label his actions as being terrorism?
(sorry, cannot resist)
12:10 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Wow, you're really snippy today huh? Its not concretely labeling anything, its speculation
@BartekBanachewicz How does proper terrorist look like?
they look like human
They do!? :O
> "At that moment, the co-pilot is controlling the plane by himself. While he is alone, the co-pilot presses the buttons of the flight monitoring system to put into action the descent of the aeroplane. This action on the altitude controls can only be deliberate."
(Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin)
@khajvah that was a joke referring to a particular video
@BartekBanachewicz I see
@chmod711telkitty It's white-skinned, it cannot be a terrorist.
white grey haired*
could be an old cat ...
why don't we see more older terrorists?
is there age discrimination in the terrorism industry?
@chmod711telkitty Bc they have only one life
no, we are not talking about suicide bombers
not all terrorists are suicide bombers
@AndyProwl If you've read it, the part that the pilot outside is trying to kick down the door is disturbing.
12:16 PM
@MarkGarcia Yeah I've read it
TBH though it seems to me the door system should have been designed with this possibility in mind - I mean, of one pilot being unable to let the other pilot in
In this case it was apparently a deliberate act, but still
If the copilot had lost consciousness for whatever reason, the result could have been similar
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Q: Can one pilot lock the other out of the cockpit?

BenjolOne seemingly plausible theory about the MH370 disappearance is that one or other of the pilots locked the other one out of the cockpit and then depressurised the cabin. However, this answer mentions a code that can be entered to unlock the cockpit door. Could this apply in this case (on a 777)?

They must balance the need for the pilot "outside" to get back in to assist (or overpower) the other pilot, and the need to protect against someone taking the key or otherwise forcing the "outside" pilot to unlock the door for them. It's not an easy choice for the designer to make, and so far they seem to be more concerned with the latter case. If there are more cases of rogue pilots, the choice may swing back to making it easier to enter from the outside. As soon as there are a number of hijackings, the pendulum will again swing... — Phil Perry Mar 27 '14 at 19:22
More and more do I love Aviation.SE
How do terrorist hijack without any guns?
But if there was such a code, the pilot would have probably attempted to type it before trying to break in
I thought of that too. Dunno.
Based on the report, it seems the pilot knocks, then knocks stronger, then tries to break in
This is fucked up
12:21 PM
Why wouldn't both pilots have individual keys that can access the cockpit at any time
@khajvah hacking
@AndyProwl Yeah, the passengers would be watching the pilot trying to break down the door (which seems impossible)... terrifying
@Pris See comment above.
@Pris It seems that wasn't the case. They say the passenger realized what was happening just before the impact
The truth is, nothing is perfect and nothing can be perfectly secure. They can't eliminate all the dangers
12:24 PM
Yeah but this danger shouldn't be so hard to tackle
@khajvah autopilot all the things
@AndyProwl It is hard. The copilot could fuck the captain up and do the same thing.
@khajvah Both should be able to get access to the cockpit
I mean, of course you can't do anything if the copilot attacks the pilot inside the cockpit or viceversa
heya fellas

I'm looking for a ssh client library between libssh and libssh2
which one would be best to use in a c++ application?
But the possibility of one locking out the other should be prevented
12:26 PM
You know they designed the doors like that because of terrorist attacks dont you?
In that way, it would be possible to get into the cockpit from outsite
@khajvah Why wouldn't each pilot have their own key that always opens the cockpit no matter what?
@khajvah Not for everyone
It shouldn't be too hard to design a system where only two people can enter the cockpit
It is more secure if there is no possible way to open the door from outside
Well, apparently it's not
Just look at what happened
@ManmohanBishnoi libssh1.5
8 mins ago, by Mark Garcia
They must balance the need for the pilot "outside" to get back in to assist (or overpower) the other pilot, and the need to protect against someone taking the key or otherwise forcing the "outside" pilot to unlock the door for them. It's not an easy choice for the designer to make, and so far they seem to be more concerned with the latter case. If there are more cases of rogue pilots, the choice may swing back to making it easier to enter from the outside. As soon as there are a number of hijackings, the pendulum will again swing... — Phil Perry Mar 27 '14 at 19:22
You cannot say this wouldn't happen if the captain entered the cockpit.
K.K
K.K
@Pris if every pilot has the key then it would be very easy for hijacker to enter the cockpit. all he would need to do is to threaten one of the pilot who has come out.
@Pris because a key can be stolen?
Could be based on biological features
12:28 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I mean a pass key
@AndyProwl The thing is, pilots are presumed to be reliable and trustworthy. With this it's more dangerous if we an outside pilot is forced to open the door without a capability from the inside to override.
Fingerprint, retina scan, whatever
Combined with a code
they should make the pilots both stay in the cockpit at all times. give them a little potty or something
@LightnessRacesinOrbit itneresting
@K.K Threaten them with what? You know that giving a hijacker access to the cockpit is a death sentence regardless right?
12:28 PM
@AndyProwl No, all of that is vulnerable to coersion.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what if it is 9 hour flight?
@khajvah What about it? I stay in one room for 9 hours every single day, for my job.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah. It's also more fun to watch when one goes rogue. :P
> The co-pilot, now named as Andreas Lubitz, 28, was alive until the final impact, the prosecutor said.
@Pris Doesn't mean he was conscious.
12:29 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's what the report seems to show though
@Pris Perhaps you have not heard of something called fear and irrationality? People routinely comply with demands at gunpoint even when the odds suggest they'll be killed either way. Survival instinct exists.
> He added: "The most plausible interpretation is that the co-pilot through a voluntary act had refused to open the cabin door to let the captain in. He pushed the button to trigger the aircraft to lose altitude. He operated this button for a reason we don't know yet, but it appears that the reason was to destroy this plane."
If the copilot really planned to destroy the airplane, one captain wouldn't stand on his way, that's for sure.
@AndyProwl The report says nothing about whether the pilot was conscious at the time of the crash.
> If we want to get this into the platform, we're going to have to move fast. Otherwise, we'll probably have another year of dealing with the status quo.
cc @Jefffrey
12:30 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It does
@AndyProwl Quote please
you might want to read the whole thread btw
It says he could be heard breathing normally
@AndyProwl People still breathe when they're unconscious.
K.K
K.K
@Pris well "hope" is everything during adversities. If the rest of the passenger are thretened with the life the pilot(who is outside the cockpit) will give up the key...
12:31 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit He couldn't press the descent button if he were unconscious
Oh well, there's the Lubitz guy, if accurate.
@AndyProwl He pressed the descent button eight minutes before the crash. That's more than enough time to lose consciousness.
> However, passengers could be heard screaming just before the crash, he added.
:(
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Why are you so hung up on the consciousness point?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit He must have been conscious at the moment he pressed the button
@Pris I'm not "hung up" on anything. I pointed out that the co-pilot may have been unconscious. Andy disagreed. I am pointing out the serious flaws in his rationale.
It's a little thing called a conversation.
12:33 PM
Regardless of whether or not he was conscious at the time of impact, it seems like he set the events in motion intentionally
@AndyProwl Which was eight minutes before the crash. It says literally nothing about his state at the time of the crash.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Why would he activate the descent button way before due time?
There's still the mystery of the undone SOP of having another flight crew go inside the cockpit.
@AndyProwl You cannot press a descent button while you are dying, and also nobody would be dying if he had not already done so before. It takes time to descend from the air. You don't press the descent button and suddenly the airplane magically rematerialises at ground level.
hmpfh already exhausted 1/3 of my renewable credit
I should stop spending money on shit I don't need
12:35 PM
Where's the download link for @Mr.kbok game?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What? Did you mean to write "you can" instead of "you cannot"?
@AndyProwl wtf?!?!
maybe terrorists have penetrated poilts association or something, considering the increasing amount of plane accidents
@LightnessRacesinOrbit My point was that the button can only be pressed intentionally
@AndyProwl Are you claiming that, at the moment of impact, at the moment that the co-pilot's body is being shattered into pieces, he can make a decision to press a button?
@AndyProwl You're talking about something totally different
12:36 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Or you are?
3 mins ago, by Andy Prowl
@LightnessRacesinOrbit He must have been conscious at the moment he pressed the button
@AndyProwl I stated that the report does not show the co-pilot was conscious at the time of the crash. You disagreed. Now you're talking about a different thing.
5 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
@AndyProwl The report says nothing about whether the pilot was conscious at the time of the crash.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I didn't disagree
5 mins ago, by Andy Prowl
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It does
^ Yes, you did.
12:36 PM
I wrote it was a deliberate act
To initiate the descent
I literally just quoted you claiming that the report says something about whether the pilot was conscious at the time of the crash.
It's right there.
@chmod711telkitty that's counter productive
the terrorists
12:37 PM
@sehe lol @ dat inversion
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I think you're misinterpreting Andy
@ParkYoung-Bae It's plain as day. I just quoted the relevant text. What's ambiguous about it?
@ParkYoung-Bae "X." "No, not X." later "You claimed not X." "No I didn't" "WTF"
Your point was "you can't blame him for murdering 100 people"
Well apparently you fail at seeing it despite Andy trying to clarify so idk what I can do more
My point was "it's quite reasonable since he deliberately initiated the descent"
12:38 PM
@chmod711telkitty they won't spread terror by increasing aviation accidents. It'll just increase the "background ambient risk tolerance" and thereby reduce the impact of proper terrorist attacks.
@AndyProwl That is not the message you replied to.
@ParkYoung-Bae This is really not me failing here.
You people are fucking bizarre.
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sigh
oh well
No. You're just focusing on one message instead of seeing the big picture
@LightnessRacesinOrbit This. Selfportrait in five words.
And yes the report does say he was thought to be alive and conscious all the time
12:40 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit libssh1.5 ??

did you mean "libssh2 1.5"?
@AndyProwl It sounds like you're trying to weasel your way out of it. "Just ignore the thing I said. I'm pretending I didn't say it, but just ignore it, and instead pretend that the statement we are discussing is replaced with a nebulous group of every other statement on the topic ever"
@AndyProwl Right, so you're saying it again, and I'm still disputing it, for all the reasons given above: there is no evidence that he was conscious "all the time".
inb4 "I'm not claiming that it does" wtf
Lightness, I don't want to plonk you. But you're really acting immature. Can you please stop it?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit And I'm saying it's not very important
@AndyProwl That's not what you said.
@sehe Is that a rethorical question
12:41 PM
What's really important is that he deliberately initiated the descent
While the pilot was locked out
@AndyProwl That's a totally different thing.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit See, you don't even need "opponents". Take a room for yourself, so you can tackle anticipated responses in peace
Whether he deliberately initiated the descent, and whether he was conscious at the time of the crash, are two entirely different questions.
You're apparently trying to defend a claim about the latter by citing conclusions about the former, which is weird.
12:42 PM
I'm just saying the former is more important than the latter
whatever guys, this is pointless argument
so, how about dem tabs v spaces, eh?
everybody is upset
@khajvah Thanks for stating the blindingly obvious.
12:42 PM
Which is why I stopped focusing on the latter
@Pris I am not upset I am confused and exasperated
Tabs are superior
@milleniumbug Yes they are
~TICK
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You don't seem to see the obvious though
3 mins ago, by Park Young-Bae
sigh
12:43 PM
I thought being confused and exasperated is what C++ is all about
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I guess the pilot and copilot were arguing about tabs vs spaces and clearly the copilot was pro-tab therefore decided to end its life
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#logic
@khajvah You have no evidence of that whatsoever. I am perfectly aware that the argument is pointless. The fact that I continue it anyway is not evidence against that. I shall now add you into the "cannot do basic logic" bucket where you and Andy can get along nicely
@ParkYoung-Bae that must be it!!
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Either that or you love pointless arguments.
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@khajvah Yes, I adore them! What else do you think this room is for?
@Borgleader wtf resistance is futile
ASR
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12:44 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit hi
@ASR Yes, she is what you think he is.
@ParkYoung-Bae Or the two pilots are the two arguing here, one pushed a button, then the other is trying to kick the door...
but one was definitely conscious the entire time! because something!
ah yes, because he was breathing. that was it
smh
That or the copilot noticed that most of the passengers was composed of rubyists and javascriptards and decided to better this world by removing them from the surface of the planet
Unfortunately, the absolute, unbreakable, limit, is 7,999,999. — bmargulies 9 secs ago
12:46 PM
git commit mass-murder
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't think this room is about deliberate getting into idiotic arguments.
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I found that funny more than expected.
@khajvah You really are new, huh
@ParkYoung-Bae Or that he is trying to eliminate every trace of running Ada code.
@khajvah uh oh
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Because he was breathing normally all the time. If you start feeling bad, you usually don't
12:46 PM
@AndyProwl Cheers Dr. Prowl. Where did you get your MD?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I am new.
Yeah, i'm trying to make all of the combinations of pixels on a 1000x1000 pixels screen assuming that each color is one of 8 colors including white and black. I need 3 for loops for each pixel. — mark trimful 19 secs ago
@khajvah You have so much to learn my friend
It's terrible to think that one person can kill hundreds of others, destroying their relatives life, by simply closing a door shut.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's not a proper rebuttal. It's an ad hominem, in fact.
12:47 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, it's not. I'm sad to see you of all people falsely invoke ad hominem. :(
Then it's troll bait, and I don't want any of that around any more.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Crucially, it's not a rebuttal at all.
Is it a summa cum laude non sequitur
@R.MartinhoFernandes "troll bait"? What??
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Are you offended or something?
12:48 PM
Lightness for copilot
Can't you just reply normally instead of provoking people?
@AndyProwl Yes, I'm offended. Only in this shithole can the only rational voice end up being the victim.
@AndyProwl plonk
@sehe If you spend $30000 to train a car suicide bomber & the terrorist can kill 2 'infidels'($15000 per head), but if you spend $500000 & the terroist can take the plane load of 200 ($2500 per head). It's definitely cheaper for the terrorist organization to train pilots. People who have to fly will fly anyways. So the key to cull terrorism is to cut their fundings.
Well, whatever
12:49 PM
this is great
@ParkYoung-Bae I think you guys were being unfair again, but well.
@Borgleader Mark "trimful" isn't particularly "trimful" with his source files, it seems
Google must be very good at this "ad hominem" thing.
@milleniumbug I want to see this file very badly
@chmod711telkitty It's only worth while if they can claim it. Not a lot of people have to die. Just, they need to make people uncertain
12:50 PM
I'm going to go do something actually useful with my time. Perhaps I'll find some sensible, logical people on the journey. That'd be nice.
Bye.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Where have I been unfair?
@R.MartinhoFernandes TBH I didn't read the convo, joined in the middle and decided I would either troll Andy or Lightness.
@AndyProwl Not you.
Ah, ok
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Keep dreaming
12:50 PM
2 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Then it's troll bait, and I don't want any of that around any more.
Oh come on
No, fuck that.
I'm serious.
I might as well never come back then
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why would a troll troll another troll? ... it's like cannibalism :p
@ParkYoung-Bae Or just tone down on the obligatory trolling. Nobody expects you to troll full time
@ParkYoung-Bae I love your (troll) humour, but I concur, don't troll the toxic people. It hurts the room
12:52 PM
troll barteks instead
Are you saying Lightness is toxic???
oh wait
@ParkYoung-Bae I think he's saying specifically that.
Someone can't spot sarcasm
@sehe I don't troll full time.
You guys are taking this way too seriously
Well that may be true. Maybe we're saying what we perceive. What shall we do about it
no, you did >_<
12:55 PM
OTOH if people want me out of this room then I shall respect the community's wish, there's no point staying in a place where my so-called humour is not welcome, rite
ASR
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@MarkGarcia means?
@ParkYoung-Bae IIRC it was you suggesting that
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@ASR See for your self. ;)
So, this is what LinkedIn shows as action on a post after you "Like" it.
12:56 PM
@sehe Yes, that's not a contradiction, it's a response to the stars on that post
ee...... is there have other error? — user3631068 19 mins ago
@ParkYoung-Bae Now I think you're taking the stars too seriously :P
Andy, I don't think you properly measure the value of SO chat stars
Do you think I come here to chat with you? I'm here for the fucking STARS
hahaha
star clicker
12:57 PM
@ParkYoung-Bae And you got them!
COME ON STARS
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@R.MartinhoFernandes 3 is a poor score, even Bartek does better
I want you to stay and I'm the king so my word is final and you gotta obey so there's that
@ParkYoung-Bae Let's fix that
Do gifv files automatically start playing here? I want to link one without it actually showing up
12:58 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit "C:\Users\Administrator"
@CatPlusPlus I believe in many jurisdictions that is known as "kidnapping" and "imprisonment"!
@LightnessRacesinOrbit hehe
@CatPlusPlus plays overdone gimmick of disowning Cat temporarily
cat++ is on the up swing of his bipolar
12:59 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Like that matters

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