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21:00
also spamming the other one
the auto thingy
forgot the name
eh not a big fan of that plan
it can be quite unreliable
it does a lot of damage in a short period but not very accurate
Hi all :o
oh gawd, it's mister "Feeling emotions means you crave dick"
No! Feeling emotions > being in your head
expressing that you need someone = craving dick
@DonLarynx why so surprised
21:03
because I am going to develop a matrix solver. I just don't know how yet (I've written the code.)
@thecoshman Well, you did not put "maybe" option to whether going or not ... & your form does not do any form of checking so ...
I dunno, maybe you should think about it whilst sucking some dude's dick
@thecoshman @Jefffrey talked with my folk here, potato is a top priority for us right now, but then we could talk about sorta organizing it into a bigger-ish thing. There's a choice of platform at hand because of Haste/WebGL vs desktop/OpenGL. (eventually both, I suppose)
@Puppy that's a good suggestion, but I don't roll that way
coulda fooled me
21:06
did this guy claim that men don't feel emotions or what
Only 3% of men do.
are you aware of what emotions are
actually something tells me you've been through this already
Emotions, also known as feelings, make you act.
5 mins ago, by Don Larynx
expressing that you need someone = craving dick
pretty much sums it up
brb omg i need someone in my life to complete me
21:08
@Puppy lol
anyway I have to go shopping
feel free to leap on this guy and suck his dick beat him up in a display of macho self-reliance
@Puppy toodles!
@DonLarynx No, noodles (is what I just had for lunch).
Clever, @Jerry.
he's obviously a troll so replying to him is probably a bad idea
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21:11
obviously, @AlexM. Obviously.
@AlexM. Troll? I own this bridge!
Is it me, or is this answer incredibly similar to this other answer, which as written 9 months earlier?
flag for plagiarism
Detective Alex, SOPD. We have received reports claiming that a large part of this answer has been stolen from another answer here on StackOverflow. What can you tell me about this? — Alex M. 8 secs ago
@EtiennedeMartel I agree--looks like plagiarism (all but one sentence identical).
SO Noire
21:18
That's awful
I flagged it.
@EtiennedeMartel Likewise.
Anyway, bet you guys can't guess what I'm working on right now.
software?
Hint: it's related to the plagiarized answer.
21:19
@AlexM. SO has too light of a theme to qualify as "Noire".
@EtiennedeMartel An automated plagiarism detector?
@JerryCoffin SO Blanc
@AlexM. Closer.
I won my bet.
With myself.
I feel so lonely
@AlexM. That's so blanc.
(Also, should be "blanche" if we're going that route)
(considering "noire" is the feminine form of "noir")
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@EtiennedeMartel It's you. You are incredibly similar to that other answer.
@EtiennedeMartel I'm curious why Rockstar chose to style LA Noire's name like that
the actual term for the movies is "film noir"
without the e
I haven't seen "noire" being used like that in many places
21:22
@EtiennedeMartel Does it involve text mining?
@AlexM. Perhaps SO Blanc de Noir
@EtiennedeMartel also there's an electric R8 planned
@AlexM. La noire, la blanche, la rouge, la bleue...
@BartekBanachewicz Woop woop
Electric cars are so cool.
@EtiennedeMartel so it's a play on words too?
i.e. not only Los Angeles Noire
@AlexM. Probably not. It's made by Australians, remember?
21:24
@EtiennedeMartel maximum torque on full RPM range speaks to me
@EtiennedeMartel that is true but afaik the publisher has a lot to say in the way of the name
they probably liked it and left it like that
@AlexM. Seriously, it's probably just a case of "it sounded cool"
I'll leave it at that
hey
runWebMState $ (tableState.tokens) %= ((token, player):)
readable or not
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21:26
@Mysticial Comment length quotas must be removed completely.
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@BartekBanachewicz I like a space before the cons operator.
@рытфолд No
@рытфолд good idea
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Other than that sure looks good to me.
21:27
Is that smiley on end intentional?
time to check out the new Thief
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@PTwr Yes.
I'm not a fan of the series so the fact that they peed over the main character won't affect me
looking forward to it
user1804599
(x:) is equivalent to \xs -> (x:xs).
@PTwr that's partially applied cons (spelled as ":" in Haskell: 1:2:[] == [1,2])
21:29
Haskell is weird
why in particular?
@AlexM. Don't.
@BartekBanachewicz His parents fought too much when he was young, and it caused severe emotional scars.
Its syntax is different from mainstream of languages
The series is known for its open ended gameplay, and these tools picked Unreal, an engine that's made for small linear levels.
21:30
@JerryCoffin I ain't no Joker!
End result: a very linear experience that required several miracles to ship in a semi-workable state.
Yet...
I know a few people who worked on it. They're not very excited about it.
@PTwr most of the (non-mainstream) languages have different syntax
@PTwr Are you claiming to be Haskell? Wiki claims he died in 1982...
21:32
@BartekBanachewicz I internally scream everytime I remember cout in loop in Fortran x.x
@PTwr Fortran doesn't use cout (in loops or otherwise).
I internally scream everytime I see a loop where a composable higher-order function would do.
@JerryCoffin remembering how you write stuff to screen in Fortie is too much for me
user1804599
I have a great idea.
@PTwr There's nothing wrong with PRINT * (that a good enema wouldn't fix).
21:34
Googled it out, Fortie had "write"
user1804599
Make sleep mine bitcoins instead of do nothing.
So, the plagiarized answer was deleted.
@рытфолд you can add in specification "Call to warm up your room"
Justice has been served.
@AndyProwl I'm also at about 66%. But I cheated though. I have at least 200 deleted answers.
21:37
@Mysticial I'm arrogant enough that I figure even when they're not accepted, my answers are usually the best to a given question so I leave them there whether they're accepted or not. :-)
@EtiennedeMartel Cool. Well done.
@JerryCoffin lol
I lost 50 60 rep today because of repcap :(
@BartekBanachewicz It's a badge of honor. You haven't really lived the SO life until you have a day where you lose more to repcap than you gained that day though (and it is an interesting coincidence that you'd mention this when @Mysticial is around).
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@BartekBanachewicz WASTED POINTS
21:44
When I grow up, I want my rep capped. :>
@E_net4 Doe that mean that since my rep has been capped many times, I'm now a grownup?
I'm not buying this idea at all. Nothing as trivial as a web site (or life) can make me grow up!
@JerryCoffin Not really. It may only take longer for some. Besides, it was a silly joke.
@E_net4 Many of the best jokes are silly.
21:47
@JerryCoffin Isn't it nice to know that? :)
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<tables> tm604, can you just fix my code?
user1804599
lol help vampire on IRC
in real chat
@E_net4 I'm not sure. I'm a poor judge of "nice".
Maybe some other time, then.
21:51
actually I've realized I have a deeper problem
user1804599
> If so, which are places to look besides news combinator?
user1804599
How about Y Combinator :trollface:
:20947501 That's not a matter of being 'nice' ...
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Or Hacker Y?
21:53
@πάνταῥεῖ Speaking of which, it wasn't nice that you just beat me on an edit by a second or so! :-)
How dare you be a better typist than I am?
@JerryCoffin I'm a bad and slow typist actually ...
@πάνταῥεῖ Yes, but I'm obviously slower and worse.
uhmagawd rust 1.0 alpha :D
@JerryCoffin In the end we'll both won't care being nice, but just close what needs to ....
@πάνταῥεῖ Well, probably.
And do a fair amount of editing in between though.
21:59
if isJust maybePlayer
    then return Nothing
@JerryCoffin I'm mostly editing to clarify bad markup usage for my self. But honestly down-/close votes are already placed even before.
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@BartekBanachewicz no else :(
@рытфолд oh, it's below. chose that part because read aloud makes sense :)
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Not sure whether I should make if x { y } return y or undefined depending on x, or always return undefined.
22:01
lol, "why not both!" :P
@πάνταῥεῖ I (usually) don't bother voting until I've cleaned it up enough to be reasonably certain what's there. Does suck when you put work into editing, then realize it's worthless crap, and vote to close anyway.
@BartekBanachewicz Wait, it's called the "e-tron"?
@EtiennedeMartel IIRC yes
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The former seems more useful.
@рытфолд Make it depend on x. Predictability is a bad thing.
22:02
@BartekBanachewicz That sounds awfully similar to the French word "étron", which means turd.
I'm guessing it's not gonna be named that way in French speaking countries.
@EtiennedeMartel They've worked on (and dropped) the project repeatedly over the years, and at least incarnations were called "e-tron".
@JerryCoffin Yeah, usually I'm editing within the grace period, and can retract downvotes the one or the other way easily ...
@EtiennedeMartel Almost as good as the Chevy Nova in Spanish-speaking countries...
@πάνταῥεῖ You can, but there's a pretty frequent band-wagon effect where one down-vote can lead to others, so reversing yours may not restore the situation to what it would have been if you hadn't down-voted.
22:07
eveninz
user1804599
Hi sehe.
@JerryCoffin lol
Hmm...
According to Amazon, my Pi has been delivered already.
user1804599
Your koala has it.
Well, time to go down there.
22:08
@sehe Hi! See were you've been getting me now :-P ...
@рытфолд But I'm the only koala.
@πάνταῥεῖ I dunno. You mean the lounge?
user1804599
Well, be happy then.
Unless you count my imaginary friends.
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Tongue<C++>
22:09
@sehe Of course ;-) ...
Oh. Sorry. Maybe
@Nooble so no overclocking tonight?
@sehe Little dragons flying around in my room, out of my nose and cannot get rid of them anymore
user1804599
That's what you get for UB.
@рытфолд Always expected so hanging out here ...
22:11
B is for Booty
It's possible that this what "everything is fluid" was referring to
@JerryCoffin I hardly repcap anymore. The passive rep that I get has decreased significantly from last year. So either SE has somehow changed the visibility of that question, or it is starting to reach saturation. (i.e. every active user has seen it)
And rightfold's Booty is not very well defined :c
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Maybe it's the pants
@sehe It's possibly more: "You cannot tip your toe into the same stream"
@Mysticial Or it has reached so many upvotes that people think it unnecessary to pile on
@πάνταῥεῖ Indeed - kai ouden menei
22:13
@sehe That too.
My laptop doesn't allow me my digraphs in Vim. Weird
user1804599
@sehe :>
Windows...
@sehe Solution: Don't use Vim.
:)
But. The battery life is still fine. This thing. I bought it last year. I think it's the third time I used it now.
The troll is strong in that one
22:16
@Mysticial Every month or so I decide to answer some questions. Usually two (or possibly three) questions that are mediocre (instead of the usual levels of horrible) are enough to rep-cap. Today I'm at 120 from one answer (plus some passive rep).
user1804599
I'm not getting this install Gentoo stuff, I run it and its basically the same as Arch...
user1804599
Pff, Arch doesn't even have vectorised cowsay.
lol Arch
I like the rude useflag
22:19
What the fuck is vectorized cowsay (I've been using cowsay as my personal calendaring mail. With ansi colouring! for ~10 years)
user1804599
I have rude sudo.
@Mikhail mostly for motd right
user1804599
If I enter the password wrong it will insult me.
@рытфолд oh that's right
@JerryCoffin What I'm surprised at is that the popcnt question seems to give the most passive rep after the branch predictor one. I have no idea why. The proportion of the audience that would even understand a fraction of my answer has to be very slim.
22:19
@рытфолд Use cowsay online.
user1804599
popcunt question?
> What the fuck is vectorized cowsay
Fuck.
I got 3 packages and none of them is the Pi.
user1804599
cowsay with delicious funroll loops.
Fun roll the loops
22:23
@Nooble What are you planning do do with it?
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@πάνταῥεῖ
whops
Apparently it was left inside the mailbox, and I don't have keys to that. I have to wait for my parents. :C
@πάνταῥεῖ overclock to 1500 :)
@πάνταῥεῖ I don't completely know yet.
I'm still deciding what OS to put on it.
Either Raspbian, Archlinux, or Gentoo.
@PTwr And yeah, that.
22:24
@Mysticial Even fewer probably have even the faintest clue of what popcnt is for. I think there are a lot of people who will up-vote an answer they don't entirely understand, provided the explanation is clear enough that they can get at least some idea. Code to demonstrate your points never hurts either.
Arch, if you can handle it.
What do you plan to run on it?
OpenGL ES stuff.
And also try running a Minecraft server on it.
@Nooble I'm trying to run it for media integration. OpenElec sounds good, but I still have difficulties setting everything up wireless. And it's slow also (I've got a big music archive)
@E_net4 I'm just waiting for somebody to do a "Golden Arch(es)" distro.
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22:26
Make it into a SNES.
"What should I do when I see a question asking for the solution to homework?" - Give them the wrong answer. SCR — Mysticial 46 secs ago
For minecraft you will need Java :(
@рытфолд Sounds fun.
@PTwr You can run Java for ARM I believe.
@JerryCoffin What would that be?
@Noobla but... Java... :(
22:27
@Mysticial I prefer to give them an advanced answer that they can surely not use
And Minecraft itself is not too fast
Oo look, a Java alergic.
it's night, peasant
Not even a typo in the title
22:28
@E_net4 I am allergic to badly written Java programs ;)
@JerryCoffin Don't show that to @LightnessRacesinOrbit, he'll explode.
@E_net4 Something with little substance and lots of fat, I guess...
@EtiennedeMartel Would that it were so easy.
@EtiennedeMartel I'd say what we do is irrelevant
@PTwr Minecraft is still one of the, if not the most, successful PC games.
Oh no I pinged him now he's gonna get here and click and there's gonna be bits of him all over the place.
22:29
@Mysticial That's what I say 'how to fix', when seeing whiteboard drawings left in meeting rooms (espionage is an issue, ya know). Don't wipe it out, change and put a flaw in in it actually.
@EtiennedeMartel I think he has me plonked (or at least ignores my posts).
is there a Lens for Data.Map?
@JerryCoffin How strange.
specifically, for adding new stuff to it somehow
22:31
@sehe That comment of yours was strange.
@Nooble lets see what will happen now that M$ bought it, so far its goes quite well
hmm
partially applied insert composed with state could do the trick
so much win
@E_net4 Thank you. Let me know if there's anything else I can help you with, or if you have any more off-the-cuff remarks :)
How cute.
Why don't Haskellians see that State Functor Flat Map Monadic Bind Application is not much different from Java's despised Proxy Bean Factory Providers?
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22:36
Ke?
he's making fun of me
@E_net4 (and I'm cute? What the heck did you want to say with your message? I'm open to the actual message. It's just hard to guess it if all there is is "That was strange". Well, I'm sure it is.)
@sehe Haskellians? Is that they're called now?
Nope.
I make stuff up as I go. I'm fine with not being an authority (see LRIO for that role)
22:38
@BartekBanachewicz Not directly. I was just mildly amused at this thing that struck me. And it has some truth to it too. Not even that shocking: all these ... whatchamacallits in Haskell are indeed functional patterns.
@sehe That's sad. I was going to ask the amazing follow up question "Then what are C++ Programmers called?".
@sehe You're missing a Singleton in there. It should be ProxyBeanSingletonFactoryProvider.
LRIO as authority is how the world dies
Screw singletons.
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No, singletons are incredibly useful.
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They just suck when their value is mutable.
@BartekBanachewicz fuck
An immutable singleton, you say? How useful is that?
user1804599
More useful than shitty void.
22:41
# define M_PI 3.14159265358979323846 /* pi */ <-Immutable singleton
user1804599
It's also useful to indicate the end of a linked list. Or for exceptions.
@Mysticial Sorry. Feel free to imagine it there :S
Immutable singleton would be just static field with lazy initialization?
@E_net4 Representing your environment constraints
@Mikhail I memorized about 300 digits of Pi for a competition in 7th grade.
Can confirm that sequence is correct.
22:42
@Nooble I'm pretty sure there are only 10 digits in base 10
god these C++ compile times are bringing out the worst in me
@Mikhail I don't get the joke.
@sehe well... considering I've been recently heard saying that "State is just a convenient wrapper over (a -> a)", might be true. And that's not bad per se; design patterns used appropriately often make sense. And considering that functional patterns tend to be even more generic and "low-level", it's (IMHO) harder to abuse them by trying to fit them in by force. Especially because replacing one with another is often much easier.
@Mikhail What are you compiling with?
@Mikhail TROLOLOLOL That one was lame. So lame it became nice
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@PTwr It doesn't matter how you implement it. Any type that has only one value is a singleton.
22:43
Pi is actually a number in the real number domain.
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If you'd get rid of object identity, std::tuple<> would be an example of a singleton.
You want a singleton? nullptr <- there.
@Mikhail Every base is base 10 (and every base has 10 unique digits).
@рытфолд so why they are called so instead of simply constant?
(except for lazy init)
@рытфолд Who cares about identity. :D
22:44
On the contrary. It's much harder to attribute meaning. Of course, mathematically they can hardly be corrupted, but we see tutorials confusing monads and functors and whatnot.
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@PTwr Because singletons are types and constants are values.
Pi is a value.
You can write a type "pi" that has just one value vOv
@рытфолд would lazy initialized value type static field be singleton?
It's not teh hards. If it's abstract, and everything looks the same (hellooooo Lisp, again) then people will attribute arbitrary meaning, despite the mathematical truths
Xeo
Xeo
22:44
@JerryCoffin thatsthejoke.png
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@PTwr No, that would be a name for the value of the singleton.
Xeo
Xeo
Really, Jerry. You ought to know better.
Sounds pointless to me. Just make it a constant.
user1804599
It gotta have a type.
@Xeo What makes you think that? I'm really not very smart, you know.
22:45
@E_net4 key insight. It's actually a ratio. Of sorts
user1804599
Whether it's a constant or not.
@sehe An irrational ratio...
@JerryCoffin I don't get it.
user1804599
But π is a terrible example since you pretty much never have a type of which the only value is π.
With lazy init it can depend on something computed in runtime, so just constant might not cut it
22:46
Stop assuming that "singleton => laziness".
user1804599
Maybe in some symbolic computation library you'd have that.
Can we assume that "singleton => bad design" ?
user1804599
No.
Good
4 mins ago, by sehe
@Mikhail TROLOLOLOL That one was lame. So lame it became nice
There's only 10 digits: '0', '1', '2', '3', '4','5', '6', '7', '8', '9'. Done
Xeo
Xeo
22:47
@JerryCoffin Should I counter-quote you on that, or rather take that as for future counter-quoting when you claim supremacy?
user1804599
In fact, one of C++' major failures would've been solved by introducing a singleton.
@PTwr If you mean singletons as the ones people write on Java or sometimes in C++, yes, we can assume that.
@PTwr assumption is the mother of a son of a bitch
@рытфолд lol
@JerryCoffin Wouldn't transform_if perform the predicate on the value before transforming it? Your link (is cool, but) seems like some kind of if_transform_then_copy_transformed or somesuch
Xeo
Xeo
22:48
@sehe Nono, there's only 10 digits: '0', '1'
user1804599
In sane languages said singleton is typically spelled unit, Unit or ().
@sehe Only a Sith deals in absolutes!
@Xeo Probably both. But they're both really correct--I am supreme, but that's why the universe I created is so stupid.
@Xeo also works
@sehe :P
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22:48
@Xeo All your base are base 10.
@рытфолд alright, agreed with that
@caps Perhaps...
@sehe Bah, after all we're human. Might just be that meaningful patterns fit more people. That being said, what's that scary name in Java, would be "Abstract.Singleton.Proxy.Factory.Bean" in Haskell (where by (.) I mean they are composed from parts). The greater flexibility and composability is... well, pretty impressive and powerful. How do you use that is another question of course.
@PTwr your understanding of singleton conflicts with mine.
an abstract singleton proxy factory bean is an abstract singleton proxy factory bean, no matter how you came by it.
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// For another example of a singleton, you can represent a linked list as follows:
abstract class List<+T> { }
class Cons<+T> extends List<T> { … }
class Nil extends List<Bottom> { /* this would be a singleton */ }
22:50
@BartekBanachewicz it is possible I do not understand it fully
@Puppy You win yet another "Completely Missed The Point" award.
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@PTwr in type theory, a singleton is a type that has only one value; and that's where the name in OOP came from.
Amazing! Your dialog would actually make the film worse. :) — Wikis Dec 21 '11 at 18:59
lol
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@рытфолд s/…/T head; List<T> tail;/
22:54
Hah. Sweet User Extensions back on my Window Opera. /cc @LucDanton - trying out v26.0 now. This will take some getting used to...
So why do you want the bottom to be a singleton instead of just a constant? Compile-time inferences?
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strong typing. tis what it is. I frequently use `struct Nil final {}; boost::variant<Nil, ...>
@E_net4 uhm, bottom is by definition not a singleton.
@BartekBanachewicz meant to mention this the other day: science.raphael.poss.name/rust-for-functional-programmers.html
22:56
Bottom is a zero-ton.
> So why do you want the bottom to be a singleton
Xeo
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Bottom is not a type :P
In type theory, a theory within mathematical logic, the bottom type is the type that has no values. It is also called the zero or empty type, and is sometimes denoted with falsum (⊥). A function whose return type is bottom cannot return any value. In the Curry–Howard correspondence, the bottom type corresponds to falsity. == Computer science applications == The bottom type is a subtype of all types. (However, the converse is not true—a subtype of all types is not necessarily the bottom type.) It is used to represent the return type of a function that does not return a value: for instance, one which...
maybe I assumed that Bottom == Bottom type incorrectly
Let me rephrase that.
@рытфолд So why do you want the Nil to be a singleton instead of just a constant? Compile-time inferences?
Xeo
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Ah, I think that one is this Void thing in Haskell
It's an unconstructable type
(just like void in C++!)

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