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7:00 PM
frankly, if you have good gameplay, I'm fine to play another "Macho dude shoots people" game- hell, just skip the story entirely is fine by me.
but if you're gonna spend money on having a plot you may as well put some effort into it.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Yeah--I glanced at it, but didn't see enough to really turn it into a good question, no matter how much work you put into editing. It's pretty much just a wall of (mostly irrelevant) code with a (very) slightly more specific version of "this doesn't work, can you fix it?" tacked on.
 
@EtiennedeMartel lol Hope
 
I think that a lot more games would be better-received if they just plain didn't have plots at all.
 
I don't think it's that obvious though
 
they could spend the money on bugfixing and better gameplay, and nobody appreciates the plot of "Macho dude shoots people #134" anyway.
 
7:01 PM
@Puppy Exactly. If you want a plot, put work into it. Don't half-ass it just because "everyone needs a story".
 
even in combat, if you look closely at Hope, he's still just a pussy
 
@JerryCoffin Thought the same, thanks ...
 
compared to Lightning and Snow
who the fuck fights with a boomerang
 
@AlexM. It's how he looks that defines his character, amirite?
 
the way he looks reflects his character
this is how characters work
 
7:02 PM
@thecoshman Are you counting 'wherever' votes to those
 
a badass guy looks in a particular way
 
@AlexM. Rinoa?
 
er
not necessarily.
 
@AlexM. It's mostly about body language.
 
@Puppy okay, give me an example of a Rambo-like character that doesn't look like Rambo
 
7:03 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I gotta admit, that "I'm gonna let myself be possessed by a super-evil sorceress from the future so that she can break all of Time" thing must have been pretty ballsy.
 
That poll was badly designed, since you had checkboxes then 'wherever' should've been 'check all including other'
 
nvm
 
@EtiennedeMartel Even half-assed isn't necessarily terrible--but self contradictory is a real problem.
 
Rinoa launched her dog lol
 
@AlexM. Rinoa.
 
7:03 PM
Rinoa isn't rambo-like
 
only if you've never heard of Meteor and Angel Wing.
that bitch put out more damage than any other character.
 
there's more to Rambo-like than attacks
 
ah right.
so you're going to say that being Rambo-like is defined as looking like Rambo, and that's why there are no people who are Rambo-like that don't look like Rambo?
 
Example. Samus is bad ass because everything she does seems calculated and deliberate. She doesn't flinch, she stands strong during times of adversity, and she doesn't take shit from anything or anybody.
 
no
 
7:05 PM
(Which is also why Other M is such a slap in the face because she's so submissive in that one)
 
being Rambo-like is defined by charging into battle like crazy and beating everyone around without caring about losing
 
@CatPlusPlus yes
 
well, there were a few occassions when she did charge into battle like crazy, and given the proper control from the player, she easily beat everyone around.
 
Thinking might need to re-poll as "tick all that apply: london, other uk (such as...), berlin, poland"
 
@AlexM. The guy from Berserk comes to mind.
But he's a huge dude.
 
7:06 PM
but if you want to go that route, Squall would be a better example. He was a little dude with a bad haircut and a bunch of scars (both physical and mental) who wanted nothing more than to be completely alone, no armour, and no apparent meaningful weaponry
who instead went around suicide-attacking national leaders who were also badass sorceressses in the middle of the street in their own capital city.
 
ok, let me put it in another way
 
user1804599
@Puppy Sounds like Minecraft.
 
user1804599
Steve best character.
 
imagine Snow with Hope's personality
does it work?
 
7:07 PM
It wouldn't, but for a different reason.
Nobody is born badass.
 
user1804599
My favourite character is SpongeBob.
 
I've never played FF13 but that is one dumb as shit bike.
 
@рытфолд No armor and no meaningful weaponry? No serious Steve is like that. :P
 
may as well be ejaculating all his brain cells.
 
@Puppy it's Shiva
 
user1804599
7:09 PM
Kojima y u no release date.
 
I fail to see how that contradicts my statement.
 
just mentioning that it's more than just a bike :P
you do have a point
@EtiennedeMartel at one point I expected Hope to turn into Squall
lol
 
user1804599
Hmmm.
 
what, go around murdering everybody because he's such an utter badass whilst complaining that nobody will leave him alone and he's so hurt inside?
 
@Puppy I'm sure someone at Square-Enix thought it was cool as shit.
 
user1804599
7:10 PM
I think you can create an instance of bottom in Scala.
 
But considering they exclusively hire manchildren, I'm not surprised.
 
@EtiennedeMartel No wonder they've gone so far downhill.
 
Oh, curse you R. Giving me useless syntax errors when typing "return M" instead of "return(M)".
 
user1804599
Hmm you can't. OK.
 
Come to think of it, Square-Enix can only write teenagers.
That's their only characters.
 
7:12 PM
@Puppy sth like that
he ended up turning into a "I need to never give up I need my friends" guy
but it's ok
 
Yeah, well, it's either the Power of Friendship or the Power of Boners.
 
Lightning is badass enough for everyone
 
user1804599
@EtiennedeMartel Why not both?
 
@рытфолд "I need to save my fuckfriend!"
 
user1804599
I need to save my source file!
 
7:15 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I believe the term is "fuckbuddy"
 
@Puppy "Friend with benefits"
 
lol
 
user1804599
Friends with boners.
 
I prefer that when it's clear that the friendship comes before the benefits in terms of importance.
 
@EtiennedeMartel in my understanding, it usually doesn't?
 
7:17 PM
@SamDeHaan In my case, it usually does.
 
Interesting bug in standard/GCC: gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=59448
 
@VáclavZeman does this affect C++?
otherwise I don't care
 
@Mgetz Yes. It is a defect in the standard, I think.
 
@Mgetz Yes it does.
 
Blog post from one of the people posting in the thread: preshing.com/20141124/…
 
7:31 PM
I wonder if they'll make a sequel to LA noire soon
 
After the great success of the first one? :v
 
I want to see another game with that kind of motion capture for faces
@CatPlusPlus LA Noire was successful
it was not GTA-successful but what other Rockstar game was
it's a game about investigating things so it could never reach mainstream appeal anyway
I mean 80% of the game is this
 
@CatPlusPlus According to VGChartz, about 5 million copies sold on all platforms.
Not too shaby.
 
Dunno, seem to recall some trouble stories
 
Team Bondi is dead, though.
 
7:35 PM
the IP is Rockstar's though
and they can choose another developer
 
Their next project was named "Whore of the Orient". Sounds cool.
 
Team Bondi was against Rockstar's influence on the game but tbh...
even people inside the team claimed that Rockstar saved the game
or so I've read
 
user1804599
IIFEs are a nice workaround for shitty statements not being expressions.
 
UFOs, too
 
user1804599
Uncallable Function Objects?
 
user1804599
7:37 PM
> Object.create(Function)()
TypeError: object is not a function
 
I need to make this export thing in something else than Python
 
user1804599
Exactly.
 
@CatPlusPlus Sounds like it (unless it's going to be a monthly report, and you can dedicate a machine to nothing but generating it).
 
Nah, it's one export (although not all data at the moment) for the old database for staging/testing/dev purposes and then an export of current database for launch
Or maybe just streaming it would help
 
cin and cout are for "Strings" not for "int" Consider using "int" by using getchar() function; — Kenyanke 16 mins ago
 
7:46 PM
Yay.
Obtw, @LightnessRacesinOrbit what was this about? :P stackoverflow.com/posts/25826978/revisions
 
What sort of level is BS's In-Depth series pitched at (other than title clue)? Also, I can only see the set available in US, so are [potentially newer editions of] the component books separately a better bet?
 
user1804599
Bjarne Schildt
 
@E_net4 Just what it looks like
 
Well I'm pretty sure no one would misunderstand that question.
 
@рытфолд ?
 
user1804599
7:49 PM
@OllieFord !
 
Although I don't doubt that some people would have their mental alarm bells triggered.
 
@рытфолд I assumed that was directed at me, but I didn't understand what you meant?
 
user1804599
lol
 
Unless "Herbert Stroustrop" was the intended response
 
7:51 PM
also it's an answer not a question
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah, I had "answer" in my mind, but somehow I even managed to switch the word. :s
Carp.
 
TARS GET READY TO ENGAGE THE DOCKING MECHANISM
 
@AndyProwl "fun"
 
I'm starting to think the reason I dont have 10k rep is because I always comment...
Since you tagged C++: in C++ you can use and and bitand instead of && and &. See hereBorgleader 6 mins ago
>.>
 
@рытфолд Yeah, you can't extend functions that part is really not well thought out.
 
7:53 PM
yes you should stop writing information in comments plz
 
@рытфолд also the fact if else for etc aren't expressions is extremely unfortunate. In CoffeeScript they are but noone really uses that much anymore.
 
user1804599
My compiler makes things into expressions using IIFEs: gist.github.com/rightfold/ffbdb00cedd6557a29f7
 
It's also unfortunate that some stuff can't be an expression like a throw statement.
What are you compiling to ES?
(Make sure not to ruin things like stack traces in throws or messing with return statements)
 
I think proofs by induction are more satisfying if you leave the base case for last
 
Proofs by induction are usually the most common and most boring type of proof.
There are exceptions and interesting examples but they usually occur when you look for exceptions rather than in the general case.
 
7:58 PM
MAIN ENGINES OFF
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Why?
 
@CatPlusPlus because that's how the grammar is defined. You can't "x => throw x"
I understand why they had to make it that way (they have an existing grammar) but it's still annoying.
 
Oh specific languages
 
Oh yeah, the context is shitty parts in JS and rightfold compiling to JS suffering from those parts
 
user1804599
@BenjaminGruenbaum My language has no return statements and I'm careful with generating them.
 
user1804599
8:09 PM
I don't worry too much about stack traces.
 
Everything is an expression and all functions are just one expression anyway?
(So it is returned)
 
user1804599
Yeah.
 
Makes sense, if everything is an expression I doubt you even need JS exceptions and throw. Depends on how you do chaining
 
user1804599
Although if you have e.g. def f() = { a(); b(); c(); } I generate that as function f() { a(); b(); return c(); }.
 
user1804599
So I don't have to use IIFEs for try/catch/finally or throw or select statements in the middle of sequenced expressions, which I would if I used the comma operator.
 
8:12 PM
Oh, so functions can have multiple statements, in that case most languages allow an intermediate return to terminate early.
 
user1804599
{ … } is an expression, pretty much like the semicolon operator in C# 6.
 
Ah, well - it sounds interesting.
How did the semicolon operator change in C#6? I didn't see any changes from eg. C#5
 
user1804599
You can use it in expressions.
 
user1804599
Like var x = (a(); b(); var c = d; e(c));.
 
Oh yeah, now that you say it I remember reading about that but I didn't know they let it in eventually. That sounds super useful.
 
user1804599
8:14 PM
It's just a comma operator that allows variable definitions in between.
 
user1804599
I generate statements wherever possible.
 
Why are you writing a compile to js language again? Fun?
 
user1804599
Mostly for fun, yeah.
 
Sounds like a nice project - I've been using 6to5 for my js projects a lot recently and apart for 2-3 features they have most of what I really needed. Then again my JS stack isn't really typical so there's that.
 
user1804599
I want stuff like protocols and contracts badly.
 
user1804599
8:21 PM
And operator overloading and no implicit conversions too Boolean and horrible stuff like that.
 
Well, 6to5 contains the abstract references proposal which is really useful (previously called protocols) - async functions come in handy and a ton of sugar with arrows, short method declarations, short literals and so on. It also integrates nicely with flowtype which has a decent-given-the-circumstance typesystem with union types that gets me through the day (also gives me an excuse to read ocaml which is always good).
 
user1804599
What are abstract references?
 
The two biggest proposals it misses today are value objects (I also really want those, they have operator overloading with no implicit conversions) and proxies (but node has those so it's no biggie)
 
user1804599
Protocols in my case are something different.
 
 import {map, reduce, filter} from itertools
 myGenerator::map(x => 2*x)::reduce((x,y) => x+y)
Or:
import {on, emit} from Events
myObject::on("foo", (e) => console.log("GOT!"))
myObject::emit("foo")
 
user1804599
8:24 PM
Protocols define non-member functions that can be overloaded on the parameter called this.
 
user1804599
E.g. protocol Mappable { def map(this, f); } defines a global function map which can be overloaded on the first parameter.
 
It's basically scoped binding of a method to an object - it allows you to extend objects but to contain the extension to your scope.
 
user1804599
Ah yeah that's very similar except I allow the parameter index to be chosen.
 
@рытфолд yeah they do that, there is a hierarchy of what gets called when - that's why it was called protocols - lemme find the proposal the current GH repo isn't in good shape.
 
user1804599
I just generate a unique key for each protocol and when you implement a protocol for an object it just adds that key to the object, which is then used to find the correct implementation for that object.
 
8:26 PM
Stupid MySQL driver is buffering rows
 
The idea is to provide polymorphism in a clean way and not rely on . which would be too slow in our case.
 
user1804599
Because extending arbitrary prototypes with T.prototype.myFunction = … is shit because namespaces are one honking great idea and we should do more of those.
 
This is really old: gist.github.com/genericallyloud/7086380 but that's it
@рытфолд yeah, extending prototypes is horrible that's what started the discussion about it
 
@рытфолд Hold on, what language are you guys talking about?
 
user1804599
I also depend on protocols for operator overloading.
 
8:29 PM
Where this is an explicitly noted parameter? (The hilarity of which is fairly high)
 
user1804599
And I use overloadable functions map, flatMap and filter for comprehensions (so you can not only use them for arrays but also for RxJS hurray).
 
Yeah, RxJS is one of the things people keep talking about when talking about protocols in JS it'd be super useful to have. The rate the language is progressing is just so frustrating and the fact its built on bad foundations doesn't help :/
 
Every language should have explicit this
 
user1804599
I don't have explicit this.
 
@CatPlusPlus I worked with MySQL the other day and it refused to believe the database wasn't there anymore - it insisted it's still connected to a server that was shut down.
 
user1804599
8:30 PM
I don't map this directly to JS this either since JS this is shit.
 
user1804599
I have a separate keyword for that.
 
@CatPlusPlus JS actually has explicit this, it's just bad.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum That's networking for ya
 
js this keyword should have been called that
 
-3
Q: Why is it better to use try, catch, throw in C++ rather than goto?

UnstoppableDoes anyone know how does the C++ exception handling with throw and catch differ from goto to the catch clause? or can we replace try catch with goto?

@рытфолд You aren't a language.
 
8:32 PM
@Columbo because it is not a goto? :>
 
user1804599
@BenjaminGruenbaum what do you think of checking variable references statically?
 
I have no idea why people thought it was a good idea to have dynamic typing but with exactly one variable and one language construct - so stupid :/
 
user1804599
I don't allow use of this outside of class method definitions. :P
 
@рытфолд well, that anyone not doing that for the vast majority of his code and his coding in a language like JS is crazy :D The tooling is very good for that sort of thing - even the weaker static analysis tools like jshint give you a pretty good indication and flowtype detects these well.
JS lambdas in ES6 has lexical this so it helps but it's still frustrating to have the dynamic behavior. I don't mind "call" and "apply" for setting it explicitly but changing the value based on where it is called from is stupid :D
 
@Puppy did you ever have the crouch on panic syndrome in CS?
I read about it days ago and realized I've been doing it for many years, basically from when I started playing
I removed the binding from ctrl now, I'll keep it for a while like this
 
user1804599
8:35 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum In my language if you have class C { def f() = …; } then this in always refers to the value of JavaScript's this that f was called with. You can get JavaScript's this as dynamicthis. Closures always capture this.
 
Sounds interesting, I'd give it a try :)
 
user1804599
Just wait a thousand years before I finish it.
 
user1804599
@BenjaminGruenbaum Aren't stack traces affected by source maps?
 
@рытфолд you can get decent stack traces by generating source maps
 
user1804599
Though I guess generated IIFEs still pollute them.
 
8:41 PM
Amazing
 
@AlexM. wat
 
One driver that can do unbuffered queries
And it leaks cursors
:cripes:
 
@Puppy people shooting at you -> you crouch
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus Reminds me of R, for which there are literally no libraries that allow parameterised queries.
 
at close range it works because you're harder to aim for but at long range you're both slower and easier to hit
especially since a lot of people aim at somewhere above the stomach
so by crouching you get your head near their crosshair
been playing like this for 8+ years
then I read about it and it made sense
 
8:45 PM
I only ever slow down if it's important to not be heard
First rule of FPS: you stop you dead
 
user1804599
My code is beautiful.
 
You're lying to yourself
 
user1804599
Bullshit.
 
@AlexM. Yes, and?
 
@AlexM. wasn't crouching good for accuracy?
 
8:50 PM
it does affect it a bit in CS GO too (it was more in the older games), but the disadvantages make it be not worth it if you're visible to enemies
also peeking around corners while crouched ensures you're first seen
I used to do that a lot too, and always died
 
But it makes your silhouette much smaller, which is useful on distance larger than knife fight
 
7 mins ago, by Alex M.
at close range it works because you're harder to aim for but at long range you're both slower and easier to hit
 
> Damn. wikipedia is off in cul-de-sac, and yet they want funding for what it has become? It was much better in the old days. The professionalism of wikipedia gives us a bad professional encyclopedia AND a bad wiki. It at least used to be a good wiki.
 
if only I didn't explain it
 
After Reddit comments, YouTube comments and Metacritic user reviews, I give you: Wikipedia talk pages.
 
8:53 PM
@PTwr Cat said it well
if you stop moving you're dead
basically, this is what you want to do to be hard to hit
 
Unless you have riot shield
 
also unless you don't have enemies
 
Was there riot shield in CS?
 
then you're ultra-hard to hit
because there's nobody to hit you
 
I do not think I played it
 
8:54 PM
@AlexM. In CS:GO?
 
kinda
 
that's ridiculous
in CS:GO if you're moving you can't shoot anybody
 
stutter stepping fixed that
 
at least not that well.
 
see above
 
8:55 PM
yeah but then you're not moving at any reasonable pace
 
if you go right you quickly press left to cancel the whole momentum
and restore your accuracy
then you repeat for the other side
 
yes, so now, you're not moving anymore.
 
I wouldn't say standing still for 0.1 seconds is that much of standing still tho :P
 
it certainly is unless your opponent forgot how to use a mouse
 
Or have a shotgun?
 
8:56 PM
shrug
shotguns are terrible at long range
but that's obvious, of course
 
Nova can be OK at medium range
 
nova works at medium yup
 

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