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9:00 PM
@CatPlusPlus The obvious alternative (Logitech) does use decent encryption though.
 
Good to know
Someone who does computers actually thought about what they're doing I'm simply shocked
2
shocked
Though they could've come up with a better name than 'advanced 2.4 GHz'
 
@CatPlusPlus It is (unfortunately) a bit on the surprising side, isn't it?
 
> Unlike Bluetooth, Logitech advanced 2.4 GHz is not a frequency-hopping protocol that continuously jumps from one channel to another. Logitech advanced 2.4 GHz is a so-called frequency-agility protocol that stays on the same channel as long as possible. When the active channel becomes unusable, Logitech advanced 2.4 GHz automatically selects another one.
I'm gonna start substituting 'Logitech advanced 2.4 GHz' for random words
 
@CatPlusPlus I don't think anybody's ever accused Logitech of good marketing.
 
@CatPlusPlus Military Grade Advanced Enterprise 2.4GHz Encryption™
 
9:03 PM
@CatPlusPlus Sounds like a pretty Logitech advanced 2.4 GHz idea.
 
now cat++ is called 'Logitech advanced 2.4 GHz'
 
@JerryCoffin yes, but not for the mouse because for some reason they think only the keyboard provides sensitive info
 
@Mgetz What can the mouse possibly tell you?
 
Clicks per minute
 
@Nooble what someone is doing for one, and quite a bit about habits
 
9:09 PM
If mouse is mostly scrolling, then user is probably looking at cat images
 
@Mgetz I think what they provide is sufficient to protect against a device like the one that started this thread. While you can probably glean some information from mouse messages, it's going to be quite more difficult to get obviously sensitive information like passwords.
 
Mouse requires more correlation
 
@Nooble Logitech
 
@JerryCoffin I'm aware, the former is a cyber criminal level issue. The latter would be more NSA
 
I don't think you can do anything with mouse movements without knowing what's happening on the PC too
 
9:11 PM
Logitech K360. I have two of them - in different colors.
 
And at that point you don't need to sniff the mouse
 
Mouse sends relative data, without knowing initial position and settings you won't get useful data
 
Not that it should matter. I don't live in an apartment and my nearest neighbor is at least 50 ft. away.
 
Well you could tell if someone is drawing dicks I guess
 
If mouse is in corner, then movement in two out of four directions will mean nothing
 
9:12 PM
@CatPlusPlus What else would you do with a computer?
 
@Nooble browse dick pictures?
 
write variadick templates
 
@PTwr That isn't dick related.
 
@Nooble draw/browse boob pictures?
 
I want you to spend just 30 seconds formatting your question. Basic punctuation? Capital letters? No? — Lightness Races in Orbit 6 secs ago
 
9:15 PM
@Mgetz Cyber criminal, or even just somebody who thinks their wife is having an affair (for example).
 
why annoy locally when you can annoy globally - get a computer (& internet today)!
4
 
@PTwr That isn't genitalia/breast related.
 
@Nooble cat images?
 
@PTwr That isn't procrastinating.
 
9:17 PM
@Nooble improving your brain functions by playing logic games?
 
That's silly.
 
Hey! At least it can be useful in future! without playing tetris I would be much worse at packing backpack
 
Can't you just compress your backpack into a .zip?
 
@CatPlusPlus You can probably do a little under some circumstances. For some things, simply being able to recognize activity can be useful (e.g., if you have a crime ring you know is communicating via computers, simply seeing activity from all the members nearly simultaneously could tell you something is probably about to happen).
 
@JerryCoffin and then they get raided by SWAT while playing HOMM :)
 
9:22 PM
@PTwr Yup--certainly possible (and all too common) to misinterpret the data.
 
Does programming a Windows app in C# have any advantages over C++?
 
It's not C++
 
thanks wisecat, that helped
 
Do ignore Cat.
 
@DonLarynx its easier, much easier, it actually looks readable :)
 
9:24 PM
Hey you wanted advantages
That's always an advantage
 
If you have a problem and you select C++ to fix it you will end up with n+1 problems
 
@DonLarynx it's more portable, you can reuse a lot of C# with xamarin
 
It's called Mono
 
Unity uses Mono as well if I am not mistaken
 
@Mgetz What do you mean by portable?
 
user1804599
9:27 PM
 
user1804599
I want this colour scheme for Vim, but I cannot find it anywhere. :[
 
@Mgetz That's cool. I'll look into it
 
@Nooble probably copy&paste type of portable
 
@рытфолд Make it
 
@Nooble I mean that you have less pain in the arse to get it to compile, link, and run
 
9:28 PM
@рытфолд it looks like colors used in Visual Studio, maybe look with for such tags?
 
user1804599
> typeof(return) will, when inside a function scope, give the return type of that function.
 
user1804599
cool
 
@рытфолд in which language?
 
user1804599
D.
 
Cute
I want the D now a bit more
10
 
@PTwr Looks like VS with light theme. Only psychopaths use light theme.
 
@DonLarynx The obvious advantage is that Microsoft's tools for doing it are immensely better. Despite talking about the "C++ renaissance", Microsoft's tools/libraries for developing Windows applications in C++ are horribly out of date, and haven't been updated in years (basically one minor update in VS 2008 update 1, and before that hardly updated since VC++ 6).
 
@Nooble I use it when in bright rooms, having huge difference in brightness between screen and background murders my eyes
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
It has the colours.
 
9:32 PM
@рытфолд I prefer a template: template <class T> T func()..., so the return type is T.
 
Why Cpp templates are still so ugly when other languages get neat and cute generic types?
 
@Nooble Military! Cough ...
@PTwr Write better code generators ...
 
@PTwr Because they based its syntax closely on Ada's, and there's almost no possibility of making any fundamental change to it now.
 
:/
So no chance it will evolve during my lifetime?
 
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A: C# generics compared to C++ templates

bdonlanYou can consider C++ templates to be an interpreted, functional programming language disguised as a generics system. If this doesn't scare you, it should :) C# generics are very restricted; you can parameterize a class on a type or types, and use those types in methods. So, to take an example fr...

 
9:36 PM
@PTwr How old are you?
 
I had to check year, but it appears still only 24
 
user1804599
switch (true) is nice.
 
@AlexM. "...can be used to good ends, at the expense of your sanity" yay Cpp templates
 
@рытфолд wat
 
wat
 
9:39 PM
@JerryCoffin Am I misunderstanding you, or are you saying that Visual Studio 2013 is a terrible IDE for developing Windows apps?
 
@рытфолд Wouldn't that be switch(1) unless someone adds #define true false ?
 
@PTwr C++ templates will change (e.g., some changes are likely to happen in C++17). Most of the basic syntax will remain pretty much as-is though.
 
@caps I'm saying it provides much better support for developing Windows apps in C# than in C++.
 
@JerryCoffin 17? Aren't we at 11 right now? :(
 
9:40 PM
C++14.
 
@PTwr No--we're at C++14 right now. They're already hard at work on 17 though.
 
14
 
@JerryCoffin Concepts TS should bring some syntactic changes too
terse notation and stuff
 
Hmm... "C++14 is intended to be a small extension over C++11" Is it numerated by year?
 
@PTwr Yes. Existing versions are C++98, 03, 11, and 14. The next version is predicted for 17.
 
9:41 PM
Then 17 still sounds far ahead
 
@PTwr Intended to be finalized in roughly 2 years.
 
which is not that far actually
 
@AndyProwl True (as soon as compilers implement it).
 
Oh no. No. No. Who was evil enough to place star at " I want the D now a bit more" :(
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@AndyProwl Definitely a lot faster pace than we got accustomed to before C++11 anyway.
 
9:43 PM
?
 
@JerryCoffin GCC already supports it with some limitations
Ah, cool, it actually seems to support the whole thing
 
@JerryCoffin Anyway, thanks for sharing this with me. Is there anything like a transform_if? I don't see anything like it, but maybe it is under some name I'm not expecting.
 
@AndyProwl ConceptClang does too--but I'm not sure you can write much code very portably yet.
 
@JerryCoffin yeah, still too early
@caps There is not
 
Vector of auto? Thats scary
 
9:47 PM
it's actually quite natural if you consider that deduction rules for auto are defined in terms of type argument deduction for templates
 
@caps Not in the standard, but at least one SO contributor has posted one.
 
Evening
 
@Jefffrey Hello.
 
Just spent ~8 hours at the hospital for "nothing".
 
9:48 PM
Welcome to public institutes and public healthcare.
 
@Jefffrey That doesn't sound pleasant. What happened?
 
what a silly thing to do!
 
@Jefffrey what's up?
 
@JerryCoffin His shoe retaliated.
 
@JerryCoffin Car crash yesterday.
 
9:48 PM
Well - Hope you're okay.
 
ouch
 
Some guy hit our car from behind.
 
I think I will like C++14
 
I had some pain around the neck.
They say I have nothing and just to rest for 5 days.
 
@Jefffrey Ah, so checking if you have whiplash?
 
9:49 PM
Exactly
 
@PTwr I enjoyed C++11 being released a lot more.
 
and it took 8 hours?
 
@AndyProwl Yes, because nobody cares and they are not fired even if they do nothing, so...
That's public institutions in italy.
 
@E_net4 I had a break between Cpp on DOS and C++11 so let me first google out what it added ;p
 
@Jefffrey hm, glad to hear things work like they should back home...
 
9:50 PM
@PTwr Fun. :>
 
eh
 
we need to be invaded
 
I actually had to pay €74 for the 3 minutes visit.
Oh well. At least I'm "ok".
So, Ell got away, eh?
 
user1804599
 
@Jefffrey fuckers
 
9:53 PM
@рытфолд why would you write it in first place? :>
 
user1804599
Doesn't matter.
 
user1804599
CoffeeScript compiler should under no circumstance generate invalid syntax.
 
Art for art?
 
@Jefffrey Last night.
I was about 5 seconds late saying goodbye.
And he didn't say bye back :C
 
He would have :D
Ell was a good OP
 
9:55 PM
Yes.
He was.
Now he's gone.
Cries
 
what happened to him
 
Anyways - he said he'll be back in June.
 
Ell's soul lives in our heart now.
@AndyProwl He couldn't stand the awesomeness of this room.
 
The OS, The motherboard, and the holy Ell.
 
He had to stay away for a while.
 
9:56 PM
wow
 
We're too awesome.
 
that's a long break
 
He had to go study or something.
 
(School's stuff, he'll be back in June)
 
He said it was his last chance or something.
 
9:57 PM
he certainly does take school seriously
 
He's just pulling a Bartek.
 
lel
 
switching off the Lounge for a regular must be like suddenly becoming teetotal for an alcoholic
 
lel indeed.
 
'Teetotal'
 
9:59 PM
@AndyProwl I guess you just remember you are actually living.
 
@CatPlusPlus thanx
 
Thanks @Jerry
 
ohmygod I'm so fucking tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiired of server configuration for this project
I need to be doooooooone
 
@Jefffrey no idea what that means
 
Let us now hold a moment of silence, for our (temporarily) lost friend, @Ell.
 
10:00 PM
living
bah
 
ikr
 
there's no life after Lounge
 
@PTwr I'll admit that I was the one who starred it first.
 
Aug 11 '14 at 19:32, by StackedCrooked
@Ondkloss I was 12 in 1992. It felt modern at the time.
waat
 
@Noonle Grrrrrr!
 
10:02 PM
Hi @MohammadAliBaydoun. I have been busy writing another program. I will take a look at these soon. (I recently hit the 50-problem mark and want to take a break.)
 
@Jefffrey Time to bring out the calculator.
 
34
 
Yeah.
I didn't expect it to be that.
2030 is closer to today than 2000 was.
 
Hi @Nooble
 
@DonLarynx Hey.
 
10:05 PM
Also I'm convinced that we need more programmers now.
Many more programmers.
 
For what reason?
To popularize Java? Hehe.
 
I want everything to be automated.
Especially fucking cars.
 
@Jefffrey I was just thinking about that the other day.
Eating should be automated too. if(ghrelin > limit) vomit;
 
Also robots and AI development in general.
 
@Jefffrey Self-driving cars running Windows.
 
10:07 PM
Since I was born in 2000, this really puts a lot of perspective into things. I'm now closer to 30 than I am 0.
:C
@Nican So they can crash?
 
@Nican Suddenly it restarts at 3 AM to install update?
 
Imagine if we could create some human like AI that could learn and put them in some virtual world and then fast forward the time in there until they reach the level in which they find the cure for cancer.
wait
What if we are those AIs?
 
The matrix is actually keeping humans not for power, but for brain processing power!
 
"You are 7,500 days old."
Oh what a nice number
 
10:09 PM
@Jefffrey Then Douglas Adams was (mostly) right.
 
@JerryCoffin This page is evil!
 
I was 5 months old when wikipedia went online.
 
I don't like this page.
keeps reading
 
@JerryCoffin He theorised this?
In the The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy?
 
10:11 PM
@Jefffrey Earth was built by the super computer to compute the ultimate question.
 
Amazing! On April 1st, I'll be exactly 5,000 days old.
 
oh
 
@Jefffrey But it was blown in front of their faces before it could generate the answer.
 
Nice
 
The average age of visitors is 31.

strong life
 
10:12 PM
@Jefffrey Pretty much--well, in his theory, the entire earth is one giant computer, with all of us as parts.
 
This Xamarin stuff has potential
 
@DonLarynx strong life Good spot ...
 
Ugh I don't feel like dying.
 
Well, Nooble, when you die, feeling ends anyway.
 
@DonLarynx All of the "Mono" technology has been under "has potential" for a long time, but never seems to quite take off to be main stream. Probably due to the lack of consistency on the project.
 
10:16 PM
@HansKlünder Who said I wanted to stop feeling?
Hurry up stem cell research!
 
@HansKlünder How do you know?
 
@Nooble Nobody. It's just hard to tell how it feels when you feel dying, since that ends feeling.
 
I said how do you know? Did you read the script too?
 
@Jefffrey Medically speaking.
 
Exactly, Nooble. Feelings are pruduced by living body parts.
 
10:19 PM
It was a reference btw.
> Obi-Wan Kenobi: He went in there to hide, not to run.
Harry S. Plinkett: How do you know that? Hey, I asked you a question. How do you know he went in there to hide? Did you read the script too? Hey, what's that? What's that on the ground over there? Is that the script?
 
@HansKlünder You can't be certain of that.
 
long ago
 
@Jefffrey Easy for you to say, shoes are practically immortal!
 
We actually last less than a human life on average.
 
10:20 PM
@Jefffrey It's the simplest explanation of all available observations, but, of course, you are right, things might be much more complicated and just pretend they are simple.
 
@Jefffrey Then it wouldn't be an average...
 
@Nican that shouldn't be a big hindrance, however.
 
@DonLarynx Yes. Xamarian/Unity is great at using C#, but every time I have to import a library, I have to ask myself: Does this work for Mono? Although it is also getting a lot better, Microsoft moving open-source and all.
 
@Nooble ?
 
@Jefffrey You're saying that humans live on average less than an average human life?
 
10:27 PM
@Nican so is Xamarin only for mobile devices? e.g. Can I use it for Windows store?
 
@DonLarynx Yes.
Wait- do you mean Windows 8 Store? Or Windows Phone store?
 
Yes. To which question?
 
@DonLarynx I see plenty of lagging crappy games on WP8 store, so I guess it works there
(with unity splash screen)
 
@DonLarynx Actually. I am not sure about Windows 8 Store.
 
wow lol @PTwr
 
10:29 PM
@Nican Google says it works for it as well docs.unity3d.com/Manual/windowsstore-gettingstarted.html
 
@Nooble Shoes live on average less than a human life :()
 
you don't say @Jefffrey
 
@PTwr Uh.. That is Unity, not Xamarin.
 
@DonLarynx I am serious, logo of Unity in game for phone is first sign that I will end up removing it quickly
@Nican, ahhh
 
but unity != xamarin @PTwr
 
10:30 PM
@PTwr Xamarin is a cross-plataform phone gap measure. Unity is a game engine.
 
Someone claimed this needs arbitrary precision arithmetic.
 
They both contribute to Mono, which is an open-source C#.
 
@Jefffrey Ohhhhhh.
 
It can actually be solved by taking the first 13 digits of each number and summing modulo 10 trillion*, so just int64_t
 
@DonLarynx I don't say.
 
10:31 PM
But if you were preserved, you could last forever.
 
My bad, I have not noticed Don asked only about Xsomething
 
dishonored is not very nice :(
switching to two worlds 2 and fallout nv
 
Have fun.
 
I hope
 
Is Xamarin as slow as Unity is ?
 
10:32 PM
I like LA Noire too much
I feel empty now
 
awww
:(
 
it had one of those nice stories where you like the main character so much
 
@AlexM. Uncharted :C
Too bad it's not on PC.
 
"Solutions created with Xamarin Studio do not include a Windows Phone project"
 
the Uncharted guy looks like a random male version of Lara Croft
 
10:33 PM
Most people don't have a Windows phone anyway
 
Cole Phelps was a naive cop trying to fight corruption among his coworkers
 
@DonLarynx thankfully I am not most :)
 
@PTwr Why do you have a Windows Phone?
 
Good!
So he can download my matrix solver @Nooble
 
@Nooble I am too poor for iPhone and I dislike Android for poor battery performance ;)
And WP8 has very good battery performance
@DonLarynx gimme link!
Last charge: 29hours ago, predicted time left : 14hours :)
 
10:37 PM
and how much have you been using it
and on what
 
Phone calls, emails, sms, music, pokemons
 
how much have you been using it
if it's 5min each, it's not that impressive
 
It can handle ~10 hours of GBA emulation if I recall correctly
 
my phone can sit in standby for 5 full days
get that
 
hmm, email syncs: 3% of battery
debuging XAML app for few hours: 6%
I do not use phone as a tablet/gaming console
 
10:41 PM
lol
 
I needed it more as "office" phone, documents, emails and internet access, ability to play silly games while on toilet is neat bonus
I had Android phone once in the past (version 2.2 I think), it did not fit well with me
 
@Jefffrey Is that normal in Italy?
 
@Jefffrey thats inhumane!
 
@Nican no
 
@Nican It says "slower than 88%" so I guess not
 
10:43 PM
I usually get 6Mb/s
 
Anyone of you nerds owning an intelligent robot hoover? I'm looking forward to buy one (price range about 200 EUR) , but missing really helpful product reviews and recensions.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ buy two of them and then get six baloons, two knives and duct tape
 
@PTwr Sick of duct tape nowadays ...
 
@Jefffrey Supafast
 
Anyway, they are pretty worthless, you can get better results in less than minute with classic manual broom
 
10:47 PM
@PTwr Just for the non brits:: Hoover == Vacuum Cleaner
 
I know :) Roombas are only good for robot fights: youtube.com/watch?v=OwtxWL0P9wA#t=155
 
@Jefffrey I shall test mine.
 
Meh, any speed test I would do would just test limits of my wifi ;p
 
@PTwr I've got just parquet and ceramic tile floors, I think it would be lot's of useful. I've been asking for real experience ...
 
@πάνταῥεῖ does attaching knives to them count?
 
10:50 PM
@PTwr I'm connected to ethernet.
 
@Nooble seriously
 
@Nooble holy internet batman
 
@Jefffrey Heheheheh.
 
2.5 stars?
 
I didn't rate it that.
 
10:51 PM
I know
 
@PTwr No, I'll do the knive cleansing stuff manually on demand. Hope to reduce it using a robo cleaner though.
 
I think that keeping romba fit for duty will take more effort than sweeping manually
it loves mouse cables
 
@Jefffrey how much are you paying for your internet?
 
22 euros month
 
I think the 500/300mpbs plan here is about $50 per month.
Oh so that's about $25
Is your internet always this slow?
I can't imagine having to download games.
 
user1804599
10:56 PM
Wooo I can compile match expressions to reasonable ECMAScript code.
 
@Nooble nah
the line is probably full or something
I get 6mb out of 7 I pay for usually
 

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