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5:00 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes for what?
 
Also the ~convenient~ web-based upgrade system only updates the application and not the rest of the config
Currently relevant:
Urban myth: the Ruby developer who managed to download all the Gems they needed within a 24-hour hackathon.
Bundler is SO FUCKING SLOW
 
I like Discourse UX
It's just that there are so many broken things.
Definitely not 1.0 ready
 
I don't
 
@Sofffia what these days is 1.0 ready?
seriously
 
Not this
 
5:14 PM
That blonde I saw at the pub the other night was 1.0 ready.
Definitely worth building mounting.
 
[1] pry(main)> Time.zone
=> #<ActiveSupport::TimeZone:0x007fe5393704f8
@current_period=
#<TZInfo::TimezonePeriod: #<TZInfo::TimezoneTransitionDefinition: #<TZInfo::TimeOrDateTime: 1394348400>,#<TZInfo::TimezoneOffset: -18000,3600,EDT>>,#<TZInfo::TimezoneTransitionDefinition: #<TZInfo::TimeOrDateTime: 1414908000>,#<TZInfo::TimezoneOffset: -18000,0,EST>>>,
@name="Eastern Time (US & Canada)",
@tzinfo=#<TZInfo::TimezoneProxy: America/New_York>,
@utc_offset=nil>
I have no idea if it's rubby default, or is it set somewhere, or what but this is what dicsourse uses
 
@Sofffia "Fuck You, make a PR"
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Or, in LLVM speak, "Patches Welcome"
 
Oh, I found it
It's set by dicsourse specifically
# Set Time.zone default to the specified zone and make Active Record auto-convert to this zone.
# Run "rake -D time" for a list of tasks for finding time zone names. Default is UTC.
config.time_zone = 'Eastern Time (US & Canada)'
:allears:
Note the default
 
And... "Eastern Time" has DST shifts?
FFS
 
5:21 PM
I burned my gums
 
I wonder if it stores UTC in the database but I don't want to know
I wanted to see who set that line, but they nuked all commits from before public release
 
user1804599
Hey pups
 
user1804599
Does LLVM ever infer tail call or do I always have to make calls tail calls explicitly?
 
the optimizer can certainly infer tail calls.
but this is at the whim of what optimization passes you run and in what order.
if you want to guarantee tail calls, you need to do it yourself.
 
user1804599
Ah okay.
 
user1804599
5:27 PM
I couldn't get musttail to work, though.
 
user1804599
But yeah I'll fix that later.
 
the LangRef is often out of date.
if you have a problem with a particular construct or attribute, you really need to ask #llvm.
 
> I recently decided to sell my vacuum cleaner, all it was doing was gathering dust.
4
 
5:39 PM
bah can't play games because still running long-running work tools.
 
@Puppy How dare they let work get in the way of playing games?
 
Crime
 
well, technically, it is nearly an hour and a half after my contracted hours ended.
it's just that I'm up to like, two hours to iterate with these damn tools.
 
Fixed hours are evil
 
well I had to waste so much of my time waiting for them to finish during work hours that I feel bad about cancelling them now
 
5:51 PM
@CatPlusPlus I suppose for a cat, "fixed" in general sounds like a bad idea.
@Puppy Would it make sense to just let them run, and they'd be done when you come back in the morning?
 
@Sofffia in a way it worked well then
 
:thejoke:
 
what does colons mean again?
 
A "delimiter" we call it
 
no need for a delimiter to be between things?
how is you nuget cat? (creating packages)
 
5:57 PM
Never done it manually, only ever used TeamCity NuGet builder
 
user1804599
@JohanLarsson it means that the sequence within and including them must be mentally replaced with the corresponding image from this web page.
 
a2m
@CatPlusPlus I think I'm doing it too manually. Pointing out resource files in xml, puke.
Works really well if the lib only references other nuget packages, then it is a breeze
 
Dunno about WPF stuff
 
user1804599
 
the web stuff or the sw for the truck?
 
6:04 PM
@rightføld lol
 
@JohanLarsson Much like your colon, the contents is, well, shit.
 
:)
I can no longer drag > drop things to TFS. It broke somehow, now I have to wrestle every file in there.
 
@JohanLarsson Sounds like a minor improvement. Next step: make it impossible to get anything in there at all, so you have an excuse to switch to Git.
 
I already have excuses to switch to git, the corporate IT guys who runs the show have not even tried git though.
When working with TFS I'm always surprised how it manages to fuck things up. With git I'm surprised how it figures everything out.
 
Isn't this whole "I wear a neckline, but you shall not look at my boobs" thingy stupid?
 
user1804599
 
@JerryCoffin lol
@rightføld Holy shit
I have seasickness now. Thank you.
 
user1804599
No problem.
 
@aclarke Relevant /cc @R.MartinhoFernandes
It is possible to describe strength of evidence in units of decibels. http://bit.ly/7jT9vo
 
user1804599
Ryyppäjäiset is a great song.
 
@rightføld well done
 
6:32 PM
@rightføld what does it mean?
 
user1804599
No idea.
 
@sehe You can describe essentially any ratio in decibels. Doesn't mean it necessarily makes a whole lot of sense to do so though (not saying it doesn't either, just pointing out that decibels are nothing more or less than a ratio).
 
xD
I like to specify radio-active decay in Hz
 
@sehe I guess that works too. May help to remember that Pi seconds is a nanocentury...
 
6:35 PM
Wut. Almost, I guess :)
I expressed a distance in lightseconds at dinner. My daughter managed to figure out that would be roughly 1/500th of the way to the sun
 
@JerryCoffin I'm going to tonight for some bigger builds.
 
What kind of tool is it anyway, just compiling shit or some data processor
 
user1804599
Measuring the volume of his mother.
 
compilers are data processors
 
@sehe That's pretty cool. [obligatory: at least until you get too close to the sun...]
 
6:39 PM
hehe
 
8 light minutes is about 1AU, right?
 
@rightføld Mass and volume. Volume varies depending on her mood, but mass is increasing exponentially.
 
@JerryCoffin The other day I explained that it would be impossible to get a pool deep enough to test that watch to be water proof to 300 million meters. (That was my youngest on a roll).
In fact, we ended up concluding that if you tried to bring together such a mass of water, it would create such a strong gravitational field that the water would start to collapse and we would in fact... have created a new sun (roughly)
@Xeo what about it? Oh. Mozilla
 
Xeo
asm.js bundle
 
user1804599
6:42 PM
orgasm.js
2
 
There you go
 
user1804599
Thanks.
 
I always pay 1 dollar for humble bundles
Steam key => good incentive
 
user1804599
I pay 0 dollars.
 
user1804599
Ich brauche mehr Drogen.
 
6:47 PM
@Puppy We knew. Just look at the stats. You need to be generous to be able to operate linux
 
meh, the whole reason Humble Bundles are so successful is because they work for the creators as well as the buyers
 
user1804599
WTF.
 
also, just in: I just played a bit of Super Hexagon and really kinda disappointing, I figured after all the play I'd seen on here, it would have been more ... playable.
 
user1804599
My nickname is already registered on irc.oftc.net.
 
user1804599
huh wat
 
user1804599
6:49 PM
irc.oftc.net is rizon??
 
wat.
 
you were tricked
 
Xeo
@rightføld wat
no
 
user1804599
Oh.
 
user1804599
I messaged NickServ on the wrong server.
 
user1804599
6:52 PM
oops :D
 
Good job
 
Xeo
...
 
user1804599
let's try again
 
user1804599
Now let's try to not accidentally post a link to /b/ in #llvm like I did in #ghcjs.
 
user1804599
I should really get a better IRC client.
 
6:54 PM
@jbogard There's an image for everything on the internet. Accurate? http://t.co/jVnaocPn7z
@rightføld conned
@rightføld duped
 
@AndyProwl I started reading the latest link you posted on std-proposals and for quite a few minutes I thought, "WFT are you rambling about Joe Coder and whatnot" before discovering it was an old BS paper
 
@rightføld V good job
 
Just hopeless
 
user1804599
omg chandler
 
user1804599
<3
 
7:09 PM
@rightføld what are you using, just curious
 
user1804599
Colloquy.
 
telnet
lol mac
 
@TemplateRex lol
 
in English Language & Usage on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 9 mins ago, by Matt Эллен
If global warming so "science" how come I'm not a polar bear?
 
7:12 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Looks like someone has a proof for why determining if a reference is local is the Halting problem: stackoverflow.com/questions/26296665/…
 
user1804599
@Mysticial determining statically*
 
user1804599
Determining it at runtime is a piece of cake.
 
@rightføld Textual
 
user1804599
> Download Trial | Purchase Textual
 
user1804599
No.
 
7:25 PM
haha paying for IRC clients
I use Quassel but that's mostly because it doesn't use IRC to sync
 
@rightføld There's a trivial third option.
 
Not using it
 
7:42 PM
@JohanLarsson only the very privileged can aspire to become one
 
@JohanLarsson i don't get it
 
me neither, just saw the bear part
 
Apr 21 at 19:36, by Jefffrey
@ScarletAmaranth yeah, she told me she likes me, made me notice he officially ended every relation with his ex, and asked me out three times now...
I have no idea who I was talking about here
I'm fairly sure I wasn't lying
It's so weird
Just ~6 months back.
Something is wrong in my brain.
Oh fuck
Now I do
 
user1804599
@Sofffia your gender
 
Now you do, fuck?
@rightføld Yeah, that was pretty clear indeed.
 
7:49 PM
No I don't get to fuck
 
> she told me she likes me, made me notice he officially ended every relation with his...
Make yup your mind
 
Yeah, I noticed that too.
 
@sehe Use Expert Sex Change
 
I was most likely drunk.
When I talk about girls and/or friendship I'm always drunk.
 
7:50 PM
Makes sense
 
Well, that's... interesting
 
user1804599
@Xeo :(
 
user1804599
Don't kill people.
 
user1804599
except java programmers.
kill them.
 
lol
A guy just posted this shit on the uni group
 
user1804599
7:51 PM
kill him too
 
> intx;
good job
 
@Sofffia awsum
 
Question: "Why is f marked as const?"
 
Fuck all knows
Why is it a member function
 
@Sofffia To maintain the character of the rest of the code.
 
7:53 PM
lol
One of the answers: "because it doesn't do side-effects, it doesn't modify the object"
 
user1804599
f isn't anything because parsing fails.
 
@Sofffia Meh, in our uni it would be like: "My program doesn't work and I don't know why. However, I can't show you the code"
 
for something like "a is aware of b", is it safe to assume that the eval is always true, as long as there exists some relationship between a and b (e.g. a likes b or a has b)?
 
@rightføld So your claim is that Java programmers are actually people?
 
I guess you could have cases like a deduced "a likes b" but it can't be a fact until confirmation
which means it must be tested on a
 
7:54 PM
@milleniumbug Probably better than damaging the eyes of other people with that code.
 
wait, nvm, found a case
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have heard through a lot of hers and most was pretty average, IYAM. I did like this one, but not enough for me to want to go an hunt for more.
 
One dude assumed that 0xCC is a valid bool value
and you could check with a != true && a != false if it's 0xCC
 
user1804599
My teacher thought null was a valid Boolean value in JavaScript.
 
user1804599
Because he could say var x = true; x = null;
 
7:58 PM
Nice. This means that every value is a valid Boolean value.
 
@milleniumbug probably used his debugger to watch values when using debug heap mode
 
Xeo
well well well
 
@milleniumbug ...which is, of course, nonsense since we all know the only valid Boolean values are True, False, and FileNotFound.
 
Xeo
this is going downhill quickly. well, downcrater, rather.
 
That doesn't make it any less of a comment, and worse it would make it a link-only answer which would make it high priority for deletion — Mgetz 1 min ago
got to love it when people think that just because they have rep they are special
and exempt from the rules
 
8:05 PM
@Mgetz Enough rep does make you special and exempt from rules, but it takes a lot more than 34K... :-)
 
Anyone spanish speaking here please?
 
You would think high rep users know the rules better than anyone.
Si, muy bien.
But that's the only words I know. Ironically
 
@ereOn not enough for easy test check :( ? haha
 
Me par de si, de saverlo ben el spanol.
 
@ereOn I wouldn't think that. I never even read the rules.
 
8:07 PM
Just kidding.
People say my dialect is very similar to spanish.
 
@Marek I can order beer in Spanish (which is pretty useless, since I don't drink beer).
 
Anyway, the rules change from time to time right ? I mean with all the activity on meta.
 
@ereOn Yes and no. Ultimately, there's just one rule to ring them all and...oops wait. Wrong book. But wait some more, there really is just one rule: Jeff's rule: do as I say, not as I do.
 
@Xeo What is that?
 
Xeo
A manga
 
8:13 PM
@Mysticial That's hardly a "proof". He posits a scenario, then writes "that would be the Halting Problem".
 
@Xeo Do I look that stupid? :D
@Xeo What manga?
 
Xeo
Gokukoku no Brynhildr
From the author of Elfen Lied
 
re Comet 67P, it may be entirely obvious to some, but emotionally I still find it utterly fascinating that we can now see these clear pictures of a real, life-sized rendezvouz with this comet and show that it looks just like we thought it did when we were just taking blurry, long distance shots of it with a telescope.
 
lol
 
no.
 
8:18 PM
what's rekt?
 
wrecked
 
wreck
 
I see
 
lol
 
8:19 PM
> MeetingCPP: Late tickets are canceled src
The man is a communication miracle.
 
user1804599
hey sehe let's meet
 
@Lightness I cry when I think of it
 
user1804599
I planned to plan on October 11th as you probably can recall but I forgot.
 
I fully remember.
 
Fun stuff: I recently got employed and when I met my new coworkers, one name rang a bell: I actually had spoken with the guy on several occasions on SO before. Who said the Internet was a big place ?
 
user1804599
8:20 PM
The Internet is big. Stack Overflow isn't.
 
@sbi your loss :P
 
I read through all of that and had to go back and forth on whether he was angry, annoyed, pleased, accomodating or rejecting. "Sorry, your ticket is canceled, because it was late?" or "Hahaha, I was going to do late tickets, but I was joking. It's too much of a bother anyways". I think he means "Good news, we will sell out before the late ticket phase".
@R.MartinhoFernandes ;)
@R.MartinhoFernandes Since when do you @address instead of reply-arrow? Are you on mobile?
 
The internet's a huge place.
 
@ereOn Which one?
 
I saw her live as support for Shearwater and fell in love.
Figuratively.
 
8:22 PM
I recently changed jobs and one of my new colleagues is a Lounger. I decided not to reveal to him or her my own identity :D It's been loads of fun so far.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That song sbi linked is nice indeed
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Who?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit gave it away now?
 
@JohanLarsson Not necessarily, though I imagine everybody will be paying closer attention to any newcomers, from now on
 
It's hard to be Tomalak and not be recognized by a lounger.
2
 
user1804599
8:24 PM
Tomahawk.
 
@Lightness Jesca Hoop.
@xeo ffs train strike tomorrow
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes uh-oh
 
> an American singer-songwriter and guitarist from Northern California
yawn
 
Xeo
Oh yeah Robot, do you have internet at the place you're staying?
 
Dunno.
Heiko mentioned it before but I don't remember the answer.
 
Xeo
8:26 PM
lol
oh yeah, you don't have my new number, I think
 
Ah, one of the flats has, but the others are an unknown .
 
Xeo
you should've received a strange mail just now
 
K got your SMS
 
Xeo
k
 
ITT SMS is "strange mail"
 
Xeo
8:28 PM
Strange Mail System
 
Oh. Seems we're in the clear.
 
Retired teacher learns lesson shadowing 2 students for 2 days, a sobering, important lesson learned, via @ourfounder http://grantwiggins.wordpress.com/2014/10/10/a-veteran-teacher-turned-coach-shadows-2-students-for-2-days-a-sobering-lesson-learned/
 
Strike starts at 14, but we can change our tickets to an earlier train.
 
Very good stuff, for all you us haters critics of the education system
 
what is good music to listen to while doing boring programming that requires moderate concentration?
 
8:30 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wait, whereabouts? My wife is in DE, by train. Should I be anticipating delays?
 
@JDiMatteo music that you like
I always listen to music that I like while working
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes guh and I only just noticed that -04:00 is literally right there in the string i'd been staring at all along
 
@sehe yes, you should.
 
lol:
-6
Q: Access violation reading location 0xcccccccc.c++ opengl

Manou BMError : First-chance exception at 0x76bedbba (msvcrt.dll) in Clothtest.exe: 0xC0000005: Access violation reading location 0xcccccccc. Unhandled exception at 0x76bedbba (msvcrt.dll) in Clothtest.exe: 0xC0000005: Access violation reading location 0xcccccccc. The program '[1276] Clothtest.exe: Nativ...

 
@Xeo Why am I not surprised? Both ecchi and bloody. :)
 
Xeo
8:32 PM
Hey, I just started reading it today :<
I wanted to save it for later, actually
only 119 chapters
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So, you are on mobile then. I don't accept the theory that you got lazy replying. Also: lemme checkin with her. She ought to travel back tomorrow evening.
 
Xeo
at least it's weekly
 
@sehe: thanks, I'll try that noise
 
It's several types!
 
Yeah, mobile. At this time I wouldn't be using my phone and would instead be mingling with the folks here at the pub, but I have to plan for the damn strike.
 
8:33 PM
@Xeo 119 psalm best psalm
Don't plan to strike the dam, damn! Potzdammerplatz!
Suddenly sounds so cursable
 
@Xeo I'm actually surprised there aren't more of those types of shows. Because for some (possibly sadistic reason), I like them. :)
 
Ok. Strike crisis resolved. I'll be out, folks.
 
Xeo
o/
 
@Xeo Lemme find that scene from the anime. (and give it to you in color)
When I get home that is... can't do it from work.
 
Xeo
8:37 PM
heh
I wonder how much the anime covered
I'm currently at Ch 70
 
Actually, that scene was heavily censored. I'd need to grab the bluray and see.
 
I am liking OO less as I become more experienced programming at different jobs. I feel like inheritance in particular often makes things unnecessarily complicated and confusing. I feel like the simplest OO helps, but in general a procedural style is easier to maintain and for others to understand. Is this common wisdom?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You rebooked or the strike is off?
@JDiMatteo You fit right in here
Procedural, not so much. Functional: yes
Polymorphism comes in many flavours, and is-a is widely overused
 
if I eat pizza a shitload of times per week, should the AI consider me liking pizza a fact
or rather, if I am influenced by its deduction, and consider something it deduced to be a fact
is it equivalent to me getting to that fact by myself?
is there some sort of equivalence between my concept of truth and someone else's concept of truth
what is truth
not playing games tonight was probably a bad idea
 
@JDiMatteo I wouldn't say inheritance is...inherently bad, but it's been horribly overused to model nearly any and all relationships for decades.
 
8:41 PM
fuck me, now I have to find out how much of our knowledge is based on assumptions
 
@Xeo If you enjoyed both of those, you might like Mnemosyne.
 
and if our "truths" don't have some sort of assumptions at the root
 
The reality is rather the opposite: it's very useful within very limited domains, but tends to give people the "if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" outlook and languages that emphasize inheritance (e.g., Smalltalk, Java) make this much worse.
 
@AlexM. all of it. There, no need to thank me.
 
8:43 PM
Oct 8 at 23:13, by sehe
2 days ago, by sehe
Fits right in. Somehow I think this is what happens. People who don't /really/ see what's going on, and never learned to label the small building blocks, they are desperate to tell stories. It leads to cargo-culting in the most elementary form (I can't talk about anything without making it "touchable", i.e. about objects)
 
@JDiMatteo It sounds like you've been doing OO wrong, probably.
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what?
 
Lightness: maybe I have been programming at big companies too long without reading more books on design
 
@sehe mkay, perhaps I should just do a backtracking mechanism for when assumptions are wrong
better not get philosophical right now
I'll save it for later
 
8:44 PM
nah. it's the lounge
 
You gotta feel the design
3
 
That's what I told her
 
lol
 
@sehe Using objects is much different from using inheritance though. Just for an obvious example, I use objects in C++ a huge amount--but mostly for the sake of RAII, and inheritance is relatively rare.
 
@Jerry Coffin: is there a book on C++ style that captures the idea that inheritance is overused (along with other useful ideas)?
 
8:49 PM
@JerryCoffin It's related, IMO. If everything needs to be an object to satisfy the dev's need for a "story-tellable" world (so he/she won't feel out of his comfort zone), you end up doing that inheritance thing more than healthy. Is my feeling.
 
@JDiMatteo Hmm...well, Accelerated C++ doesn't really talk about inheritance as being bad, but that's largely because (to my recollection) it barely talks about inheritance at all.
 
@JerryCoffin generally I only use inheritance when I need an interfrace
so the base class is almost always pure virtual
 
@JerryCoffin Those objects are decidedly non-wishy washy. They are technical artifacts, more like a 2-component glue as used by the pro DIY, as opposed to "creative pattern scissors" (mmm. this analogy didn't land very well, but it'll have to do)
 
@sehe That could well be true--I haven't really thought enough about it to have much of an opinion though. My visibility into other programmers is sufficiently limited that I'm quite hesitant to guess about why large numbers do anything in particular.
 
@sehe we're changing to an earlier train.
 
8:54 PM
Oh, it's just something that I recognize because I've been "taught" (i.e. reading) the same kind of things. And I remember how it made me feel all cozy and "at home". And then it all broke down in practice, so I stopped viewing this as some kind of gold-standard of design (this was mainly before I did professional development)
Interestingly, I do recall writing software to specs during high-school and I didn't suffer of this yet. I was ignorant, and Turbo Pascal had only just begun being Object Oriented
 
Has the advantage that we'll have a whole extra afternoon to play games.
 
To the extent that I think anything about programmers in general, I think many largely "imprint" on what they were taught first. Even when (not if) they "rebel" against that, it's still largely a defining quality. For example, many programmers who first learned Fortran "rebelled" and got into structured programming--but for many of them the defining quality of structured programming was "no gotos".
 
user1804599
 
For people who've learned more recently, presence or lack of gotos has never been much of an issue, so most don't care much either way (about them).
 
@JerryCoffin That is spot on, AFAICT. And it's probably just telling that I'm slightly younger that I have had the opportunity (sic) to feel "engulfed" in the wave that was OOP-fashion
 
user1804599
8:57 PM
@sehe Is Germany Switzerland? No, so yes.
 
vtc-plz: stackoverflow.com/q/26369614/560648 "simple typo"/"no longer reproducible"
 
Meanwhile, it seems like @JDiMatteo has successfully nerd-sniped part of the lounge. I should patch this vulnerability.
 
separately:
This is more vague than — Lightness Races in Orbit 6 secs ago
 
@rightføld Ahahaha. Took me ~12s to decipher that. Thanks for talking to me, your highness :)
 
user1804599
8:59 PM
Geen probleem, cryptograaf.
 

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