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9:01 AM
@sehe Ugh, that's... er. Ugh.
It's time_point vs duration. The units are not relevant.
"The temperature dropped 9°F" or "The temperature dropped 5°C" or "The temperature dropped 5K" are all appropriate answers to the question "How did the temperature change?" and they all express absolute values.
 
@Xeo Posted.
 
@aclarke They don't. That's what you call a temperature scale. Do seconds need an offset?
 
derp you caught me.
I was half remembering the docs... :(
 
Xeo
> Looking back, I notice that I started this paragraph with "there's some good news." I don't know why I did that.
hah
 
Oh get a life. Ask yourself whether that's so funny when he was actually molested as a child.
Shut it.
 
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9:07 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm thinking of an offset in any hypothetical conversion definitions.
 
@aclarke Yes, which you don't need.
9°F = 5°C.
 
3 messages moved to bin
 
Xeo
Aww, my safe-bool question is one vote away from a badge :<
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes i guess the most general conversion would be a formula rather than little nuggets of fact that we hope the compiler will use on our behalf.
 
The same way that 1 minute = 60 seconds.
@aclarke Nope. The most general conversion between units is a ratio.
 
9:09 AM
sehe you sexist, I don't see any guys messages get deleted by you when the stuff they posted were a lot worse than mine!
 
The ratio between degrees Fahrenheit and degrees Celsius is 9/5.
 
I like how every OAuth2/OpenID documentation clearly states all possible scopes and all possible fields and so on. It's great.
 
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@Xeo where's the Q? I'll give you a free vote! - IF it's a good Q
 
Converting between scales is not the same as converting between units.
It's the timekeeping equivalent of converting between calendars.
 
@chmod711telkitty Cry me a river. If you'd vary your repertory a bit, maybe I'd just pass it off as "all in good fun"
PSA: rape abuse jokes not considered funny even they're about male victims
 
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9:10 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes what about the +32 - or more importantly, their offsets from 0K?
 
If I tell you the 100m men world record is 9.58 seconds, it is 9.58 seconds regardless of the calendar.
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes not if you're converting Earth to Mars years...
 
7 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
"The temperature dropped 9°F" or "The temperature dropped 5°C" or "The temperature dropped 5K" are all appropriate answers to the question "How did the temperature change?" and they all express absolute values.
 
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what about "it is 30C outside today, dress lightly."
 
2 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Converting between scales is not the same as converting between units.
 
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9:12 AM
but I have to explain to an American what temp they will be feeling...
 
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yes ok, I see your point. But I am also interested in the scales...
 
(Though I'll be fair and say that a ratio isn't indeed the most general way to convert units; not because of °F and °C, but because of things like dB)
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes oh yes, a formula would be needed for this - what CAN dB's convert to anyway? Pressure per area?
 
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and that's onmly sound measure too
 
dBs might also be a terrible example.
I'm sure there's something simpler around.
 
9:15 AM
Richter to Seismic energy equivalent (in kg of TNT) :)
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes not to an audio engineer. so it's a great example of the subject
 
@aclarke But answering your question above is messy.
 
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oop - time to go. Jr's training is finished. Do you think I could learn tae kwon do just by watching through the door from a table for 2 years?
 
They can be converted to... dimensionless values?
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes no idea - i'm very vague on my maths and physics these days...
 
9:17 AM
I mean, yes, it is a valid example, but as an example it brings in unwanted complications.
 
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now that the wheels are turning, there may be some good features popping up for us in the next decade.
 
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anyway, I have to shoot through now; cheers all.
 
WHERE ARE THEY SHOW ME
 
Anyways, anyone with hands-on Boost Units experience? Or the answer to:
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Q: How do I assign both metres and millimetres to same boost::units variable?

brewmanzI'm trying to assign both metres and millimetres to boost::units variables. However, it seems like boost::units does not easily convert from millimetres to metres. The code I'm using is boost::units::quantity<boost::units::si::length> lenA = 2.0 * boost::units::si::metres; boost::units::quantity<...

@aclarke Some would say it's a s sound example.
ba-dum-tsssh
 
> North Korean leader Kim Jong-un could be under house arrest, experts say mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/…
North Career is so funny
 
9:27 AM
That's a weird typo even if on purpose
 
lol
 
I thought it was better known
if you look at any NK videos where the narrator is speaking English, he makes "North Korea" sound like "North Career"
let me see if I can find one
 
So, you say... if I want a profile picture I should have the public_profile permission, right?
 
Now this is marketing:
> Girl aged 4 'took 200 bags of heroin to nursery and handed them out like candy' mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/…
 
Nope!
public_profile does not grant profile picture.
#getrekt
 
9:31 AM
#getrokken
 
This whole OAuth2/OpenID thing is so badly documented it's not even funny.
Want to have a valid email? Nope. Twitter won't give you one. No matter what the user will let you do.
Because, who needs valid emails, right?
Requiring a valid email has never been done in the whole internet history.
Why is this thing not in some fucking protocol already.
But Facebook man. Facebook is the best regarding emails.
They give you an email alright, but wait... in some cases, if the user have verified himself with a phone number... then the email they give you is "null".
Fantastic.
 
@Sofffia requiring them is one thing. Twitter handing it to you equals privacy violation
 
@sehe Literally every other provider handle you all kind of informations, including, but not limited to: friends, likes, connections, emails, phone numbers, addresses, names, etc...
Don't tell me they are concerned with privacy.
 
Open auth is not a "tell me your email address" service. In fact, I think part of the point is to get away from requiring everybody to know your email/password (hash)
@Sofffia Apparently, they're not. Tell me which they are, so I can stay away?
 
@sehe Yes, they give me everything else, except the email.
 
9:37 AM
Wow
 
Google, Facebook, Windows Live.
Yahoo.
 
At least Google prompts the user to allow providing that information.
 
Just see the kind of permissions Facebook let you have.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Everyone does AFAIK
 
Yes, everyone does.
 
I'm not saying that valid emails and/or phone numbers should be in the OpenID/OAuth2 protocol, because they are not meant for that. But FFS, it's 2014. If we really want to have SSO we better get a nice protocol that gives developers the ability to easily get basic informations from the user in a "standard" away across all 25 or so main providers.
 
And with basic informations I mean: "A display name, a valid email address and maybe a profile picture".
Even the display name might be too much.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I wanted to be one of the guys who dig out dinosaur bones and study them
 
Instead, with the current state of affairs, you obviously get nothing except "Yeah, this guy is a user of my service". No guarantees of any kind. Has the user validated himself in some way? Who knows.
@AlexM. Me too :3
 
@AlexM. Palaeontology.
 
I was obsesses with dinosaurs at the time.
 
9:42 AM
 
Especially after Jurassic Park.
 
Ell
In openid connect you can request an email
 
I wanted to be a reporter.
 
What?
 
Ell
Just add the email scope to the request :3
@r.martinho as a kid?
 
9:43 AM
@TonyTheLion Someone that reports stuff?
 
@Ell Pretty much everywhere - twitter. The point is that you don't know if it's validated or not.
 
Journalist?
@Ell Yes.
 
Ell
I wanted to be an inventor
I'd say electronics isn't far off inventor either
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The reason I said that is because to me journalists are mostly people that go out and look for disaster/bad things and report on those. I don't know why anyone really wants to do that. Sounds so depressing to me.
 
I wanted to be a polymath.
 
9:44 AM
@TonyTheLion Er.
There's other stuff.
 
I'm generalizing
 
@TonyTheLion she omitted a tiny crucial bit of context, it seems
 
@sehe yea
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sorry I didn't mean to dash your dreams :(
 
@Rapptz yes, that
 
Heh, sitting in a coffee shop working on my laptop, and there's a guy here who could be sbi's twin :D
 
9:47 AM
hehe
 
Ell
I thought only hipsters worked at coffee shops
 
shrug
 
is it not noisy there?
 
I find I have fewer distractions than if I try to work at home
 
I can't work in noisy environments
 
9:51 AM
Put isolating headphones on.
Or go to a library.
 
I use headphones at work
 
@Sofffia doesn't stop me from wanting to play XCOM or go make a cup of tea, or a million other distractions
 
I arrive home at 20+ so most people in the block start going to sleep when I'm inside
there's silence until I go to sleep, which is around 3 AM
 
@Sofffia that's pretty much what I'm doing, except they have better coffee here than at the library :p
 
@jalf I can make tea at work.
 
9:52 AM
so I've no issues at home
 
Oh, you're not at work. Nevermind.
 
Libraries are the best. Except when you have bowel noises going on.
@jalf I'd hope so. ;)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, me too, but somehow, that's less distracting than at home :D
 
Wow, now I wish I could have proper tea on my research lab.
 
9:53 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I laughed way too much. Even considering I've seen that JIF a million times. Thanks.
 
I want to finish Wasteland 2 but this evening Steam will unlock FF XIII
ugh
if I also start that one, chances are I won't finish any of them
 
You're in trouble, it seems.
 
I blame Wasteland 2, it doesn't have enough boobs
 
@jalf probably not, but I feel like asking anyway: are you going to SPIEL?
 
9:57 AM
FF XIII has boobs
 
Xeo
I wanted to finish Steins;Gate today, but I got home so late yesterday that I didn't manage to watch a single episode, throwing my planning off :<
 
I won't watch any anime until I get to see the final OVA or season or whatever they'll come up with for Haiyore
 
haiyore how u doin
 
@cat well done on getting emails work... now I have to disable all those damn notifications.
 
10:04 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes nah, I actually hadn't really considered it until now, so it's probably a bit late to plan out now
Now I want to though!
 
It's next week!
 
yes
 
Xeo is going, and I'm going with some of those people you met at Ben's.
 
ooh, cool
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes is that a German thing? I want to go :(
 
10:05 AM
Internationale Spieltage SPIEL, often called Essen after the city where it is held, is an annual four-day game trade fair held in October (Thursday to the following Sunday) at the Messe Essen exhibition centre in Essen. Many german-style board games are released at the fair. Unlike the other major German game fair, the Nuremberg International Toy Fair, Spiel is open to consumers as well as publishers and designers. The fair typically releases turnstile attendance (the number of times a guest enters, i.e., a single visitor who attends all four days would be counted as four attendees), not actual...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes stupid Germany being all the way over there!
 
would I be correct in assuming that it's pretty impossible to find a place to stay at this point? :p
 
board games like... the dark eye?
that's the only German board game that I know :D
 
oh, never mind. I just realized the entire weekend is already booked full of board games for me. :D
 
@jalf Might be :S We rented five 3-room flats for the four days, but that was months ago already.
 
10:09 AM
Well, if any of them remember me, say hi from me :)
 
Did Ben win against you? He probably does not remember otherwise :P
 
:D
 
Last Saturday we played Diplomacy and now he won't shake my hand.
 
heh
I was present when he won, does that count? We were on the same team in Whitechapel :p
probably not. I'd imagine he blanks out everything except his victory and his defeated opponent when he wins
 
Xeo
10:20 AM
@jalf you could stay at my place! It's not that far away :D
 
And by "not that far", you mean "within the same country"? :p
 
Xeo
It's a 1h train ride
I'm only going there on Thursday though
 
ah
 
camels are cute
 
10:25 AM
> SPIEL in Essen means: Four days of fun, meeting friends, playing and testing thousands of games and novelties together with gamers from all over the world.
'in Essen'?
 
Xeo
Essen is the city
 
It's a city.
 
And "in" means it takes place in that city :p
 
neat
@jalf I thought it was a weird typo of 'in essence'.
 
in esse... yeah, that
 
man German words are long.
> Die Internationalen Spieltage SPIEL - die weltweit größte Publikumsmesse für Gesellschaftsspiele - bieten ihren Besuchern eine einmalige Möglichkeit, sich umfassend über das gesamte nationale und internationale Spieleangebot zu informieren.
 
what, like "internationale"?
 
Man, English sentences have many words.
:P
 
no, like every other word :v
 
10:29 AM
yeah but you combine multiple words together like that
in German that is
> Gesellschaftsspiele
as google translate points out, is formed of two words that have meaning outside the combination
 
Kanji does this too.
But since it doesn't have latin letters it doesn't feel long
 
@sehe Just wondering, about what kind of complexity you are talking. Is it related to inherited attributes? Or is it about something else?
 
@Rapptz Here food packaging come with instructions in three languages: Dutch, French and German. German is always the longest.
 
ew, gross, having to figure out a bunch of COM stuff :/
 
10:36 AM
@jalf Have fun.
 
I wonder if COM is here to stay or if it will be phased out.
Probably here to stay.
 
@jalf You took that job as an alternative to prison time?
 
Why would it be phased out?
 
It's so deeply ingrained in Windows.
 
Or better, what would phase it out?
 
10:37 AM
@StackedCrooked and in .NET and in DirectX and a lot of other things
 
COM is a portable ABI.
 
application brogramming interface
brogramming is when you program with your bros
 
so many underscores and weird proprietary attributes and semi-magical compiler features
 
When Alexandrescu mentioned the possibility of interop between D and C++ via COM Sutter replied with "COM is an old technology". It seemed to hint at it being phased out in the future. But I probably read that wrong.
 
Herb said that?
Why am I not surprised.
 
10:41 AM
I've done some COM automation of Excel. It was quite effective once I got over the nightmare of the type lib shit and got something that did not AV etc.
 
Technically it is an old technology :)
 
@StackedCrooked I don't know the context, but from that is sounds more like "the technology needed for D/C++ interop already exists". Not "COM is going to go away", but "COM can solve that problem"
 
Aug 21 '12 at 20:27, by Jerry Coffin
@R.MartinhoFernandes I've heard another committee member call Herb "The oracle of wrong." He asks the right questions, thinks about the right things, then somehow manages to come up with an answer that's not just wrong, but almost insanely so.
 
oh ffs
 
@jalf Well, it's pretty much the problem COM exists to solve.
 
10:44 AM
Apparently the COM API I have to call is a wrapper around a .NET API, and it exposes .NET types like System.String... Is it even possible to work with those in plain C++, or do I have to start messing around with C++/CLI now? :/
 
Woah, what.
 
@jalf You have to marshal them over I think.
 
Wrap the wrapper.
 
stackoverflow has chat :O
 
this OJ is like crack
I keep drinking it
 
10:52 AM
Partial mentions don't work on dicsourse
 
@Rapptz got any details on this?
 
wtf does it mean when msdn docs talk about "native C++ events"?
I don't think native C++ means what you think it means...
 
unmanaged C++ events?
 
@Rapptz That's COM strings though (BSTR), not .NET ones (System.String)?
 
10:56 AM
meh MSDN made me hate the terms 'native' and 'managed'.
 
MSDN made me hate MSDN :p
 
Xeo
Great success. Went out to buy some food, and what did I get for free? A flat tire. :<
 
The .NET ones in C++ are System::String^ aren't they?
 
@Xeo walk next time, unless the place is really far away
I usually walk to the mall
the whole trip (two way) takes 2 hours
I usually go when it's dark outside, the city lights are nice :D
 
@Rapptz yeah
 
10:59 AM
if I also manage to find music that fits the scenery, it's even more awesome
this went well on a semi-dark, almost rainy afternoon
 
is it feasible to work with those without having to compile with /clr?
 
Xeo
@AlexM. For lunch. I'm at work right now.
 
don't think so
even marshal_as<T>(..); requires /clr.
 
@Xeo oh, got it
 
@CatPlusPlus 'mazing.
 
11:01 AM
ffs
 
I'd probably hurry if it was the lunch break too
but I dunno how those work
I have a fucked up schedule so I never take a lunch break
I just get some sandwiches with me when I arrive
 
lunch break means I'd leave at 21 instead of 20
 
yeah :s
still needs /clr.
 
Oh well, you can compile individual TUs with /clr, right?
without enabling it for the entire application, I mean
 
11:03 AM
I thought it was a linker setting
 
also lol, people next to me talking about the healing properties of crystals and numerology
and laughing and mocking at people who look that stuff up in books from '82. Apparently, mystical BS science has moved on a lot since then.
 
Ell
A lot of crystals are healthy
 
the docs seem fairly detailed on the matter msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/k8d11d4s.aspx
 
Ell
In moderation
 
Don't do meth ell
 
11:05 AM
@Ell Amethyst?
 
@Ell lol wot
 
Ell
Salt :P
 
that Peter guy with the Elevate Your Code to Modern C++11 with Automated Tooling cppcon talk reminds me of one of my 1st year professors
there's something weird about the way he talks but I can't say exactly what, but it's still very easy to understand and listen to
 
My home pants are starting to fall apart
 
getting fatter m80?
 
11:08 AM
oh, now they're moving on to gossiping about the latest intrigues of the bullshit mysticism healer community!
 
Xeo
Get pajamas
 
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and blocking each others on facebook for disagreeing with each others
 
Ell
I've never heard of home pants before
 
real helpful
I don't know why I'm browsing this stuff, not even gonna use it :(
 
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11:09 AM
@Ell trackie-dacks?
 
Ell
Joggers?
 
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just saw the side of the GTA V garbage truck. For the cat:
 
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Yum.
 
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Rookworst.
 
11:13 AM
"home pants" lolwut
 
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Fortunately his smoking jacket covers the tears, what?
 
what the hell is going on right now
 
@Rapptz jesus fucking christ, you're right, it's a project-wide setting :/
 
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oo-err - google-image home pants - they look at bit sexy...
 
dang
no hg show
 
11:26 AM
@ChrisW: To which people in particular are you referring in this instance? Perhaps you could present some evidence that the population of Ancient Rome is offended by the comment? — Lightness Races in Orbit 44 secs ago
 
oh man, now they're talking about pyramids
and how their facebook feed is spammed by birthdays and old friends talking about their children, so completely flooding out the interesting stuff about crystals and pyramid energy
 
Pyramids?
You mean like Bitcoin?
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes the things that the aliens landed in back in egypt
 
Pyramid power refers to alleged supernatural or paranormal properties of the ancient Egyptian pyramids and objects of similar shape. With this power, model pyramids are said to preserve foods, sharpen or maintain the sharpneses of razor blades, improve health (some people "were so energized that they could not cope with the dynamo effects they experienced"), function "as a thought-form incubator," trigger sexual urges, and cause other dramatic effects. Pyramid power is one of many pseudoscientific theories regarding pyramids. Such theories are collectively referred to as pyramidology. == History... ==
 
11:35 AM
Working at the pyramid.
 
It's amazing to listen to
 
@StackedCrooked You're working in Vegas?
 
"Pyramidology"
 
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@jalf <== @StackedCrooked it starts here
 
@MartinJames Yeah, I'm so good at programming I got my own show in Vegas.
 
11:40 AM
@aclarke the first I reported on them was further up, when I said one of them looks a lot like sbi :D
 
@StackedCrooked I'll come - I'm sure that the support acts will be worth it.
 
that's probably the best part
imagining sbi sitting there talking excitedly about crystals and pyramidology
 
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@jalf yeah messed up the links...
 
well, I don't think I made it clear that it was the same group of people
 
Ell
okay so I just got 3 free paintball days worth £60 each in the post
awesome :p
 
11:43 AM
What do they even say about the pyramids?
How much can you say on the subject?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I didn't catch all of it. Initially one of them just mentioned some new... research or movie or something on the subject, and sbi-alike said he wanted to set up some pyramid thing above his bed
 
are there other IDEs that perform stuff like macro to constexprs refactoring? I see Eclipse does that
 
Eclipse FTW
 
@AlexM. Pretty cool actually.
 
ooh, they've got a briefcase with crystals and things, they're taking out and passing around and studying now
 
11:46 AM
Ooooh.
 
e.g. #define a 5 is turned into constexpr auto a = 5;and #define SQUARE(X) ((X)*(X)) is turned into... this
 
And a crystal skull! This is the coolest :D
 
No.
The coolest is The Great Crusade.
 
sbi-alike holding it in his hand, feeling the mystical energies
 
Oh, you didn't mean movies.
 
11:47 AM
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Q: Make custom type "tie-able" (compatible with std::tie)

leemesConsider I have a custom type (which I can extend): struct Foo { int a; string b; }; How can I make an instance of this object assignable to a std::tie, i.e. std::tuple of references? Foo foo = ...; int a; string b; std::tie(a, b) = foo; Failed attempts: Overloading the assignmen...

std::tie isn't magic? :(
RIP my world view
 
and one of the others picking up another crystal and agreeing that it's "very magical"
 
I just realised my sarcasm there isn't as obvious as it should be.
 
I thought you had less distractions than at home. ;)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes not today, clearly!
 
Police are arresting some junkie nearby.
She won't stop screaming.
 
11:51 AM
ITT Live commentary from a coffee house in Denmark
 
Coffees don't comment.
 
maybe house does ...
 
My burrito is taking too long.
 
at least horse sometimes makes sound that like commentary
 
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
 
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11:54 AM
@chmod711telkitty don't drink and post
 
how do you know I am drinking water @ moment? you oracle! >_<
 
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@chmod711telkitty bottled water from Russia
 
the more I watch this video the more I'm amazed at how many refactoring options Eclipse provides O_o
I had no idea the IDE had them
 
filtered tap water ... proudly from Sydney water
 
it makes the options for Android & Java look like shit
 
11:56 AM
What
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes this one youtube.com/watch?v=lezrcssZrNY
towards the end
it shows the refactoring options for C++ 11 in Eclipse
 
Are you saying Eclipse refactorings are better for C++ than for Java? o_O
 
they definitely look more advanced if you ask me
 
I used it for Android and while that was a horrible experience, I still find it hard to believe.
 
this does seem surprisingly cool
I mean, I won't say it's better than Java but it does look cool.
 
11:59 AM
@jalf funny I just mentioned to a coworker how apparently Trascedental Meditation has gone out of fashion (perhaps it didn't really work wonders then?)
 

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